This is the second episode of the series. Click here to read the first portion. In Questioning the Magic of TPM Zion 2 we investigate the places where this word is used, throughout the scriptures.
Literal and Spiritual Zion
Right from the day of the capture of the fort of ZION which was held by Jebusites (2 Sam 5:6-9), “ZION” was the dwelling place of David and it was also known as the central location in Jerusalem. It was a literal place in Jerusalem. The scripture refers to the dwellers of “ZION”. (Lamentations 2:4, 4:22)
In the former eternity, God predestined the foundation of the Spiritual Zion through Jesus Christ (Isaiah 8:14; 28:16; 1 Peter 2:6-7; Romans.9:33). This is to be established in eternity through the Son of God Jesus Christ. He was born in flesh as the son of David and the place where Christ dwells forever with the His saints is the spiritual “ZION”. (Isaiah.11:1; Joel.3:16-18; Psa.74:2; 132:13-14; Zech. 1:14-17; 8:1-3).
Due to their disobedience, the wrath of God was poured on Israel, the literal “ZION”. Many times, they were destroyed and taken as captives. Most of these prophecies regarding Zion were focused on captivity and their restoration. In the book of Isaiah, “ZION” is mentioned 52 times. It starts with the verse “The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.”. It means that as long as the Jewish race continues to exist, these prophecies are for them. It’s not for some pseudo-Zionists from any organization.
As an example, read the below prophecy on Zion and know that it was addressed to physical Israel.
“Return, faithless people,” declares the Lord, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion.Jer 3:14
ZION is mentioned 15 times in the book of Lamentations by the author Jeremiah, the weeping prophet. The context clearly tells us that it is directed to Literal Israel.
4 The ways of Zion do mourn because none come to the solemn feasts: all her gates are desolate: her priests sigh, her virgins are afflicted, and she is in bitterness.Lam 1:4
It is mentioned 40 times in Psalms. The inherited city of David is also depicted as Literal and also a Spiritual subject of Hope. For eg., Psalms 84:5 says “Blessed are those whose strength is in you, whose hearts are set on pilgrimage (Zion).” In verse 7 psalmist says “….each appears before God in Zion.“
REMEMBER ZION is always CONNECTED TO ISRAEL. IT HAS NO EXCLUSIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH A CULT ORGANIZATION FROM SOUTH INDIA.
The Erring Zion
And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.Isa 1:8
The return and restoration of ZION of Israel which was scattered all over the world after 70 A.D was fulfilled in 1948 A.D. They were scattered because of the curses of the mosaic covenant they were party to.
I have written this to show some light to those who manipulate and twist the scripture for their selfish motives. I leave the rest of the reference for the readers to find out and understand the subject.
The Restoration of Israel(Zion)
17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after. 18 THUS SAITH THE LORD; BEHOLD, I WILL BRING AGAIN THE CAPTIVITY OF JACOB’S TENTS, AND HAVE MERCY ON HIS DWELLING PLACES, AND THE CITY SHALL BE BUILT UPON HER OWN HEAP, AND THE PALACE SHALL REMAIN AFTER THE MANNER THEREOF.Jer 30:17-18
Read the below verse in continuation to the events in Daniel 12:11-12, 2 Thess 2:4, Matt 24:15
10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.Zech 2:10-11
End of “Questioning the Magic of TPM Zion 2“
To be continued.
I do have a question: can we establish a doctrine from the book of revelation?
I don’t think so, then how can TPM have their foundation of Zion doctrine from Revelation 14.
Apart from Cults like TPM, nobody would take Exclusive passages in Revelation and privately interpret for themselves to establish the doctrines of the Church.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Pet 1:20
Please can anyone give me reviews about Derek Prince & Paul Washer. I enjoy listening to/ reading their sermons, and would like to hear a review.
Both of these are Good preachers in general. However, I have a disconnect with Derek Prince for the Curses Theology he teaches. He seems to believe that the ancestral curses stick to us even after we are saved and we need to do some actions to get it removed. I do not subscribe to that thinking of Derek.
Thank you brother… old habits die hard. It is so easy to get carried away and not discern impartially.
Thank you for taking the time to reply and much appreciate that.
I will listen in with care and hopefully warn others too.
A friend of mine asked me not to send him Derek’s videos and since I was also sending Paul’s, I thought maybe there’s something incorrect and felt I should check in this forum.
Please forgive me if I have misused the comments section for topics that are not relevant to the article.
Brother Denzel, I too will will recommend that you stay away from Derek Prince as he misinterprets like TPM the Holy Spirit, Blood of Jesus etc…appears very spiritual but is NOT.
But Paul Washer’s sermons have strong foundations in the scriptures and can be very edifying. Also try David Wilkerson, Leonard Ravenhill.
Thank you so much Bro Redeemed. While I have not critically examined the sermons, your message is a quick alert to watch out and mind; read up and discern.
Thanks for the headsup.
I will check the other two.
I was reading a review about Paul Washer (and please forgive me I am asking with child like sincerity) that he plays with emotions. A certain incident where he asked a six year old girl to cry all night until she was certain she was saved. Since coming out of TPM and not being a church goer, online sermons become addictive and Paul Washer and Derek Prince became my instant go-to’s
I shall check out David’s and Leonard’s as well.
I agree with admin and redeemed. I prefer to stay away from Derek.
Wow that’s three in a row against Derek.
Thank you bro Nath.
I have been so zealous in forwarding Derek’s to all my friends without even realising. It shows how gullible we humans are, irrespective of age or education.
I ask the Lord to grant me wisdom
Yes,it does immense help to have the review of such men of God that brother Denzel Joy was talking about.
I thank ADMN bro’s timely input which I consider very valuable that Derek Prince was indulging in Curses Theology.Does it not feel sick to see the people stick around to their own man made doctrines and try to propagate them through the social media channels?
In that sense Derek is no better than spreading the kind of Alwynism that this site has been exposing all these years!
But as far as Paul Washer is concerned,I do really enjoy https://youtu.be/tXXw415iJ88reading his sermons that give a fair amount of accuracy on spending time in prayer, a fine exemplary quality of Jesus who often spent time in speaking to the Heavenly Father God,even while He was having busy schedules of 3 years of His earthly ministry. JESUS gave top priority in speaking to Heavenly Father than His ministry.
It was a real eye opener for me that how I missed spending time in prayer in all those years of my slavary that I spent time with this BEAST.It took a heavy toll on my individual iife and that of my valuable time that I could have otherwise spent time for my family.Instead, much of my precious time was lost in totally neglecting my family needs.The paramount importance was given to attend weekly tarry meetings,Sunday School meetings/baseless children conventions and keeping myself busy with planning and attending the year round local and international conventions throughout those continents.
What a foolish way of spending God given time with these Scribes and Pharisees of these white clads!
Oh,what a great mistake I committed by getting easily robbed by this BEAST in all the past years!
But I profusely thank God for getting rid of me from this miry clay finally in His appointed hour.All glory be God.
dear admin, God has authorized you to speak against that identity theft org. When the authorities during Jesus times questioned him about His authority, Jesus spoke courageously against their errors & hypocrisy. Where did you get His authority from? It’s from God Himself that gave Him the abilities to speak with authority & with power. God has, also given you the same authority too, hence whatever you say, there is a truth behind it. This Zion identity that the thief tpm had stolen, is being broken down by the authority of Jesus Christ. Amen!
Nobody can steal or claim the identity of Zion unless it’s given by the Father. There’s nothing magical in an earthly organization’s Zion or any Zion movements. They may come and go. The final “Capitol” will be in Zion during the thousand year reign and people who have been Israelites or from South India or from the US of A or any other place irrespective of their affiliation to any earthly organization are going to be there. Now who gets the get the opportunity to be there is going to be decided or it’s the prerogative of God – their entry or their privileges cannot be decided or cannot be taken away by TPM or fromtpm.com or any cult organization.
People have given the name of “Zion” to their children, houses or streets or cities and these Zions are temporary ones that will eventually lose it’s identity or will no longer exist.
@Anonymous……”The final “Capitol” will be in Zion during the thousand year reign and people who have been Israelites or from South India or from the US of A or any other place irrespective of their affiliation to any earthly organization are going to be there.”
A straight forward question to Anonymous is :
Why do you repeatedly bring the issue of ZION,ZION in these columns knowing pretty well that it will not hold water any more with many of the redeemed ones like us?.
Do you know what are first words that came from the mouth of JESUS CHRIST when He began to start His minnistry?
(JESUS never once mentioned it in His ministry. there was not a single instance of “ZION’ mentioned) then why should you bother about that ZION?
What JESUS clearly mentioned in JOHN 14 th chapter is worthy to be remembered always..
If you can give me any other referene please do it.
Why are you making it a big issue whenever you post your mails in these columns?
Would you happen to know who revealed or gave the information or contents in the “Book of Revelation” to John as mentioned in Revelation 1:1-3?
Have you read what was revealed to John by Jesus Christ as mentioned in Revelation 14:1-5?
Remember that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.
//The final “Capitol” will be in Zion during the thousand year reign
I am yet to get that scripture that says the above statement. Can you please guide me?
Good question. There is no scripture that says the same exact statement. But you can see my explanation below.
Capitol represents the building or location where legislation and many other major decisions were made (new laws or amendments to existing laws, confirmation of certain nominees and many other activities happen here). The text or draft of these are finalized here and then goes to the executive for final signature.
What shall happen in the last days according to the prophets Isaiah and Micah (as mentioned in Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3)?
Where would law come out of (similar to how certain laws and many other major decisions are coming out of Capitol now) during the last days?
Ok. So you are inferring from Isa 2/Mica 4 and not from Revelation.
1. Just read through Isa 2 and Micah 4 and you will know that it’s all about HE (meaning the Lord). Do you see a structure with the 144,000 Virgins as TPM teaches?
2. Micah 4 has its context set in the previous chapter. In Micah 3:10 its says that ZION was built with Bloodshed and Jerusalem was Built with Wickedness. Is that the same Zion that you get to see in Rev 14?
3. The Context of Micah 4 is addressed to the Leaders of Israel and the Prophets. Are they the leaders of the group in Rev 14?
4. Isa 2:1 speaks about Judah and Jerusalem meaning, its the Literal land in Israel. Is that the construct you see in Rev 14?
It true… Law coming from Zion… Micah 4:2
(1) Law like “do not take vaccine, instead die from corona” coming from our tpm capital …
(2) Today new law passed in zion.. No one on church should come wearing coloured mask. Pastor angry over believers. He saying.. look how bad it appear from here..some wearing red mask, some wearing black mask, some wearing blue mask….From next Sunday you should all wear white mask only. Those who not wear white mask will not be given communion…
@ Admin /// ZION was built with Bloodshed and Jerusalem was Built with Wickedness (Micah 3:10).//
🙆 How true !!! 🙆🙆🙆
Our tpm Zion indeed build with lot of bloodshed. 🔪Kangaraj blood…
🔪 Not taking medicine blood…
🔪 Also many baby born in faith home toilet killed wickedly, that blood also…
👌Tpm Zion build on bloodshed…
These people not know deep deep mystery of Zion. I tell them about last days.
Our zion will be Capitol in last days like New Delhi Capital of India. Pastor MT telling like India having 544 MP, PM, CM, our saints having 144k, CP, Ammachi, elders etc.
We will change all rules & laws like (do not watch tv , etc) as modi changing farmer law NRC Jammu law.
Like hindu muslim bigotry we devide Christian into tpm believer vs other curch racism.
Instead of medicine, we will do thali bajao RPD.
Our tithe exchange borad of Nifty sensex tithes will sky rocket.
Like nirav modi, vijay Mallya, myself and akka will run with lot of money from faith home country.
What is the explanation for Zechariah 2:7, “Come, Zion! Escape, you who live in Daughter Babylon!”
Please pray along with these verses, when you have questions or concerns and God will reveal what he wants you to know through these verses. Zion has many different context – sometimes it refers to people, sometimes it refers to an earthly location, sometimes it refers to the place from where God has done so many things.
As I said before there are some TPM doctrines or interpretations which may not be accurate. Do they mandate members or people who attend their meetings to show their acceptance of these doctrines in any way? Preachers preach personal or private doctrines. Does it mean listeners need to obey or accept those?
Fantastic!!! When you don’t have an answer, you try to make it look like the other person has not prayed enough to get the same interpretations..
I wish you could read 2 Peter 1:20 and know that such passages are NOT FOR ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS.
It’s honest to tell that you do not know the answer or you are wrong when you are in such a situation. We are expected to Give an answer to whoever questions us concerning your faith. 1 Peter 3:15.
If your faith is dependant upon the interpretations of few TPMits..then God Bless your heart.
Admin already exposed your opportunistic stands. So I am not interested in any more discussion regarding Zech.2:7 since either you have come across this verse may be for the first time or you don’t have a window to defend fraud TPM white clads. It is very clear you don’t have a firm stand on Zion since you are like moss on the slippery ground. By the way I have another query, who are the people mourning in Zion as per Isaiah 61:3?
Are you people interested in hearing from a man or from God?
Hearing God’s voice and counsel is more important than asking for another person’s opinion or interpretation.
Are all these articles written based on human counsel and human understanding or by hearing God’s voice?
Does God speak to you to write disrespectful or ungodly words against another individual or group?
Through a particular verse in the Bible God can reveal or speak one thing to one individual and another thing to another individual or not reveal anything at all based on our heart’s condition.
Wow..and you think these white clads have heard from God. I agree with a slight deviation…It’s the god of this world who has blinded their eyes and yours too.
If the doctrine does not align with the scriptures, cast it into the trash can. So there lies the TPM doctrine in my trash can along with many others who has not pawned their brains to the deceptive fellows of TPM.
There is only one God as far as I know who is the creator of you and me and many other creatures. If you call or categorize a creation of God as a “god”, whose problem would that be or where does the problem lie?
If someone preaches or publishes wrong doctrine, your first step is go and directly talk to the person who preached or wrote it and expound the correct doctrine like the way its done by a role model in the scripture (see how the couple Aquila and Priscilla did). Many of us do not agree with everything preached or written by earthly people based on their personal revelation. When we disagree, do we need to disagree disrespectfully with disparaging comments or can we do that with respect and humility?
Did the couple Aquila and Priscilla do any trash or disrespectful talk of Apollo publicly because of his ignorance or lack of knowledge or something that he possibly didn’t receive any instruction or understanding? Jesus encountered many wicked and hypocrite people especially those doing the priesthood work and while he warned about them, he was dealing with them respectfully. Will you be able to give an example of similar foul language used in the scripture or where you got such inspiration to write those?
You have every right to point out doctrinal errors and other flaws as the Spirit of God leads you to do. You know you can do this in a respectful Godly way or in an ungodly or carnal way as well – you have a choice.
I hope you people are not doing this website because of any personal grudges with any individuals nor because of yourself not given certain privileges or roles or responsibilities or respect (or for someone known to you) in this earthly organization.
Does God speak to you or put in your hearts, some of these words to write or publish them, for example in the fourth line of the conclusion of “https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2020/09/07/tpm-throwing-dust-eyes/” where you state “_________ the other ______ is also closely following the __________ pair.”
There are many other places where this trend continues. From where do you receive such a revelation to write these kinds of words? Many of those earthly unsaved people involved in investigative journalism, write about their findings include immoral activities or wickedness in a much decent way and even follow some of the scriptural protocol though they are not saved.
When Paul writes to Titus, in Titus 3:2, does he say, “Speak evil of “evil” man” or “speak evil of “some men that you want” to pick and speak of” or “speak evil of “good” men”? What is the keyword here – Speak evil of “___” man? After passing some comments and judgement on the unsaved high priest who wanted others to harm him physically in Acts 23:3, does Paul regret about it two verses later?
//Jesus encountered many wicked and hypocrite people especially those doing the priesthood work and while he warned about them, he was dealing with them respectfully.
Will you be able to give an example of similar foul language used in the scripture or where you got such inspiration to write those?//
Dear anonymous, similarly if we don’t call a spade as a spade & instead use some politically correct, sweet soothing words, what purpose does it serve? If as what many tpmites does to cover up the errors & sins of their pastors & witnesses to the wrongs doings going around the globe & esp in India, putting to shame the Name of Christ, admin & his team are instead defending The Gospel & The work of Christ rather. So yes, if in the process, if some are getting offended for telling the truth, well that’s how exactly the Pharisees & the Sadducees felt when Jesus confronted them.
You should call a spade a spade – no doubt or question about that. Please don’t call a spade a diamond or club or hearts. You can certainly use the same choice of words Jesus used when he described the Pharisees, Sadducees and any similar people, if you are specifically called and led by the Spirit of God to write or type the same.
//If someone preaches or publishes wrong doctrine, your first step is go and directly talk to the person who preached or wrote it and expound the correct doctrine like the way its done by a role model in the scripture//.
If this is the universal truth, the why did take the whip in the synagogue?
See the language used by Paul against Elymas, Acts 13:10, ““You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?”
Galatian 2:11, “When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.”
Galatian 2:14, “When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?”
Don’t try to hide behind selective verse which suits you.
//Through a particular verse in the Bible God can reveal or speak one thing to one individual and another thing to another individual or not reveal anything at all based on our heart’s condition//
It true true… our god of our tpm church speak different revelations to each saint. To one saint he said there preach sermon on twenty percent tithe today. To another saint he said preach 50 percent tithe. It true as you said looking at greediness condition of hearts of saints they get different different revelation from our god. My akka got revelation to ask my boyfriend in tithe according to her heart condition. To Ammachi god spoke ask for mutton to be food menu in party organized by believer. Different different types revelation our god speaking based on heart condition of saints.
//..if someone preaches or publishes wrong doctrine, your first step is go and directly talk to the person who preached or wrote it and expound the correct doctrine like the way its done by a role model in the scripture..//
Dear Anonymous, As adviced above, if that’s the case then admin has to go & knock on every FH or TPM premises door to explain & expound the correct doctrine to every erring individual. Writing, publishing & correcting every erroneous doctrines on this platform is the most wisest choice & decision taken as everyone would agree that had been taken & I hope we as people with common sense would agree too..