This is the second episode of the series. Click here to read the first portion. In Questioning the Magic of TPM Zion 2 we investigate the places where this word is used, throughout the scriptures.

Literal and Spiritual Zion

Right from the day of the capture of the fort of ZION which was held by Jebusites    (2 Sam 5:6-9), “ZION” was the dwelling place of David and it was also known as the central location in Jerusalem. It was a literal place in Jerusalem. The scripture refers to the dwellers of “ZION”. (Lamentations 2:4, 4:22)

In the former eternity, God predestined the foundation of the Spiritual Zion through Jesus Christ (Isaiah 8:14; 28:16; 1 Peter 2:6-7; Romans.9:33). This is to be established in eternity through the Son of God Jesus Christ. He was born in flesh as the son of David and the place where Christ dwells forever with the His saints is the spiritual “ZION”. (Isaiah.11:1; Joel.3:16-18; Psa.74:2; 132:13-14; Zech. 1:14-17; 8:1-3).

Due to their disobedience, the wrath of God was poured on Israel, the literal “ZION”. Many times, they were destroyed and taken as captives. Most of these prophecies regarding Zion were focused on captivity and their restoration. In the book of Isaiah, “ZION” is mentioned 52 times. It starts with the verse “The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.”. It means that as long as the Jewish race continues to exist, these prophecies are for them. It’s not for some pseudo-Zionists from any organization.

Questioning the Magic of TPM Zion 2
Questioning the Magic of TPM Zion 2

As an example, read the below prophecy on Zion and know that it was addressed to physical Israel.

“Return, faithless people,” declares the Lord, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion.

Jer 3:14

ZION is mentioned 15 times in the book of Lamentations by the author Jeremiah, the weeping prophet. The context clearly tells us that it is directed to Literal Israel.

The ways of Zion do mourn because none come to the solemn feasts: all her gates are desolate: her priests sigh, her virgins are afflicted, and she is in bitterness.

Lam 1:4

It is mentioned 40 times in Psalms. The inherited city of David is also depicted as Literal and also a Spiritual subject of Hope. For eg., Psalms 84:5 says “Blessed are those whose strength is in you, whose hearts are set on pilgrimage (Zion).” In verse 7 psalmist says “….each appears before God in Zion.

REMEMBER ZION is always CONNECTED TO ISRAEL. IT HAS NO EXCLUSIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH A CULT ORGANIZATION FROM SOUTH INDIA.

The Erring Zion

And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

Isa 1:8

The return and restoration of ZION of Israel which was scattered all over the world after 70 A.D was fulfilled in 1948 A.D. They were scattered because of the curses of the mosaic covenant they were party to.

I have written this to show some light to those who manipulate and twist the scripture for their selfish motives. I leave the rest of the reference for the readers to find out and understand the subject.

The Restoration of Israel(Zion)

17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after. 18 THUS SAITH THE LORD; BEHOLD, I WILL BRING AGAIN THE CAPTIVITY OF JACOB’S TENTS, AND HAVE MERCY ON HIS DWELLING PLACES, AND THE CITY SHALL BE BUILT UPON HER OWN HEAP, AND THE PALACE SHALL REMAIN AFTER THE MANNER THEREOF.

Jer 30:17-18

Read the below verse in continuation to the events in Daniel 12:11-12, 2 Thess 2:4, Matt 24:15

10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Zech 2:10-11
Questioning the Magic of TPM Zion 2
Notice that the Jews have no confusion in identifying ZION. They know it. Do not be duped by the identity theft done by certain Cult organization. – Questioning the Magic of TPM Zion 2

End of “Questioning the Magic of TPM Zion 2

To be continued.

23 COMMENTS

  1. I do have a question: can we establish a doctrine from the book of revelation?
    I don’t think so, then how can TPM have their foundation of Zion doctrine from Revelation 14.

    • Apart from Cults like TPM, nobody would take Exclusive passages in Revelation and privately interpret for themselves to establish the doctrines of the Church.
      Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Pet 1:20

  2. Please can anyone give me reviews about Derek Prince & Paul Washer. I enjoy listening to/ reading their sermons, and would like to hear a review.

    • Both of these are Good preachers in general. However, I have a disconnect with Derek Prince for the Curses Theology he teaches. He seems to believe that the ancestral curses stick to us even after we are saved and we need to do some actions to get it removed. I do not subscribe to that thinking of Derek.

      • Thank you brother… old habits die hard. It is so easy to get carried away and not discern impartially.
        Thank you for taking the time to reply and much appreciate that.

        I will listen in with care and hopefully warn others too.

      • A friend of mine asked me not to send him Derek’s videos and since I was also sending Paul’s, I thought maybe there’s something incorrect and felt I should check in this forum.

        Please forgive me if I have misused the comments section for topics that are not relevant to the article.

    • Brother Denzel, I too will will recommend that you stay away from Derek Prince as he misinterprets like TPM the Holy Spirit, Blood of Jesus etc…appears very spiritual but is NOT.
      But Paul Washer’s sermons have strong foundations in the scriptures and can be very edifying. Also try David Wilkerson, Leonard Ravenhill.

      • Thank you so much Bro Redeemed. While I have not critically examined the sermons, your message is a quick alert to watch out and mind; read up and discern.

        Thanks for the headsup.
        I will check the other two.

        I was reading a review about Paul Washer (and please forgive me I am asking with child like sincerity) that he plays with emotions. A certain incident where he asked a six year old girl to cry all night until she was certain she was saved. Since coming out of TPM and not being a church goer, online sermons become addictive and Paul Washer and Derek Prince became my instant go-to’s

        I shall check out David’s and Leonard’s as well.
        thnx

      • Wow that’s three in a row against Derek.

        Thank you bro Nath.

        I have been so zealous in forwarding Derek’s to all my friends without even realising. It shows how gullible we humans are, irrespective of age or education.

        I ask the Lord to grant me wisdom

  3. Yes,it does immense help to have the review of such  men of God that brother Denzel Joy was talking about.
    I thank ADMN bro’s timely input which I consider very valuable that Derek Prince was indulging in Curses Theology.Does it not feel sick to see the people stick around  to their own man made doctrines and try to propagate them through the social media channels?

    In that sense Derek is no better than spreading the kind of Alwynism that this site has been exposing  all these years!

    But as far as Paul Washer is concerned,I do really enjoy        https://youtu.be/tXXw415iJ88reading his sermons that give a fair amount of accuracy on spending time in prayer, a fine exemplary quality of Jesus who often spent time in speaking to the Heavenly Father God,even while He was having busy schedules of 3 years of His earthly ministry. JESUS  gave top priority in speaking to Heavenly Father than His ministry.
    It was a real eye opener  for me that how I missed spending time in prayer in all those years of my slavary that I spent time with this BEAST.It took a heavy toll on my individual iife and that of my valuable time that I could have otherwise spent time for my family.Instead, much of my precious time was lost in totally neglecting my family needs.The paramount importance was given to attend weekly tarry meetings,Sunday School meetings/baseless children conventions and keeping myself busy with planning and attending  the year round local and international conventions throughout those continents.
    What a foolish way of spending God given time with these Scribes and Pharisees  of these white clads!
    Oh,what a great mistake I committed by getting easily robbed by this BEAST in all the past years!
    But I profusely thank God for getting rid of me from this miry clay finally in His appointed hour.All glory be God. 

  4. dear admin, God has authorized you to speak against that identity theft org. When the authorities during Jesus times questioned him about His authority, Jesus spoke courageously against their errors & hypocrisy. Where did you get His authority from? It’s from God Himself that gave Him the abilities to speak with authority & with power. God has, also given you the same authority too, hence whatever you say, there is a truth behind it. This Zion identity that the thief tpm had stolen, is being broken down by the authority of Jesus Christ. Amen!

  5. Nobody can steal or claim the identity of Zion unless it’s given by the Father. There’s nothing magical in an earthly organization’s Zion or any Zion movements. They may come and go. The final “Capitol” will be in Zion during the thousand year reign and people who have been Israelites or from South India or from the US of A or any other place irrespective of their affiliation to any earthly organization are going to be there. Now who gets the get the opportunity to be there is going to be decided or it’s the prerogative of God – their entry or their privileges cannot be decided or cannot be taken away by TPM or fromtpm.com or any cult organization.

    People have given the name of “Zion” to their children, houses or streets or cities and these Zions are temporary ones that will eventually lose it’s identity or will no longer exist.

  6. @Anonymous……”The final “Capitol” will be in Zion during the thousand year reign and people who have been Israelites or from South India or from the US of A or any other place irrespective of their affiliation to any earthly organization are going to be there.”

    A straight forward question to Anonymous is :
    Why do you repeatedly bring the issue of ZION,ZION in these columns knowing pretty well that it will not hold water any more with many of the redeemed ones like us?.
    Do you know what are first words that came from the mouth of JESUS CHRIST when He began to start His minnistry?
    (JESUS never once mentioned it in His ministry. there was not a single instance of “ZION’ mentioned) then why should you bother about that ZION?

    What JESUS clearly mentioned in JOHN 14 th chapter is worthy to be remembered always..

    If you can give me any other referene please do it.

    Why are you making it a big issue whenever you post your mails in these columns?

    • Would you happen to know who revealed or gave the information or contents in the “Book of Revelation” to John as mentioned in Revelation 1:1-3?

      Have you read what was revealed to John by Jesus Christ as mentioned in Revelation 14:1-5?

      Remember that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

      • //The final “Capitol” will be in Zion during the thousand year reign

        I am yet to get that scripture that says the above statement. Can you please guide me?

        • Good question. There is no scripture that says the same exact statement. But you can see my explanation below.

          Capitol represents the building or location where legislation and many other major decisions were made (new laws or amendments to existing laws, confirmation of certain nominees and many other activities happen here). The text or draft of these are finalized here and then goes to the executive for final signature.

          What shall happen in the last days according to the prophets Isaiah and Micah (as mentioned in Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3)?

          Where would law come out of (similar to how certain laws and many other major decisions are coming out of Capitol now) during the last days?

        • Brother Anonymous,
          Ok. So you are inferring from Isa 2/Mica 4 and not from Revelation.
          Some Questions.
          1. Just read through Isa 2 and Micah 4 and you will know that it’s all about HE (meaning the Lord). Do you see a structure with the 144,000 Virgins as TPM teaches?
          2. Micah 4 has its context set in the previous chapter. In Micah 3:10 its says that ZION was built with Bloodshed and Jerusalem was Built with Wickedness. Is that the same Zion that you get to see in Rev 14?
          3. The Context of Micah 4 is addressed to the Leaders of Israel and the Prophets. Are they the leaders of the group in Rev 14?
          4. Isa 2:1 speaks about Judah and Jerusalem meaning, its the Literal land in Israel. Is that the construct you see in Rev 14?

        • @Admin @Anonymous
          It true… Law coming from Zion… Micah 4:2

          (1) Law like “do not take vaccine, instead die from corona” coming from our tpm capital …

          (2) Today new law passed in zion.. No one on church should come wearing coloured mask. Pastor angry over believers. He saying.. look how bad it appear from here..some wearing red mask, some wearing black mask, some wearing blue mask….From next Sunday you should all wear white mask only. Those who not wear white mask will not be given communion…

          @ Admin /// ZION was built with Bloodshed and Jerusalem was Built with Wickedness (Micah 3:10).//

          🙆 How true !!! 🙆🙆🙆
          Our tpm Zion indeed build with lot of bloodshed. 🔪Kangaraj blood…
          🔪 Not taking medicine blood…
          🔪 Also many baby born in faith home toilet killed wickedly, that blood also…

          👌Tpm Zion build on bloodshed…

    • @Anonymous
      These people not know deep deep mystery of Zion. I tell them about last days.

      Our zion will be Capitol in last days like New Delhi Capital of India. Pastor MT telling like India having 544 MP, PM, CM, our saints having 144k, CP, Ammachi, elders etc.
      We will change all rules & laws like (do not watch tv , etc) as modi changing farmer law NRC Jammu law.
      Like hindu muslim bigotry we devide Christian into tpm believer vs other curch racism.
      Instead of medicine, we will do thali bajao RPD.
      Our tithe exchange borad of Nifty sensex tithes will sky rocket.
      Like nirav modi, vijay Mallya, myself and akka will run with lot of money from faith home country.

      Thank you.

  7. Please pray along with these verses, when you have questions or concerns and God will reveal what he wants you to know through these verses. Zion has many different context – sometimes it refers to people, sometimes it refers to an earthly location, sometimes it refers to the place from where God has done so many things.

    As I said before there are some TPM doctrines or interpretations which may not be accurate. Do they mandate members or people who attend their meetings to show their acceptance of these doctrines in any way? Preachers preach personal or private doctrines. Does it mean listeners need to obey or accept those?

    • Fantastic!!! When you don’t have an answer, you try to make it look like the other person has not prayed enough to get the same interpretations..
      I wish you could read 2 Peter 1:20 and know that such passages are NOT FOR ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS.

      It’s honest to tell that you do not know the answer or you are wrong when you are in such a situation. We are expected to Give an answer to whoever questions us concerning your faith. 1 Peter 3:15.

      If your faith is dependant upon the interpretations of few TPMits..then God Bless your heart.

LEAVE A REPLY

Please enter your comment!

Please enter your name here

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.