This is a testimony of a Brother who often comments in this site by name Richie.
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ
I am a regular visitor of this website fromtpm.com for the past 3 years. I was born and brought up in a non-TPM Pentecostal family. It was God’s will that I should get married to a girl in a TPM family. I have very loving in-laws and a very caring and Godly spouse.
As I started attending the faith home I was constantly hearing about the holy life of the saints and how they got up 4:00 AM in the morning and pray for each and every family in the faith home. Me being from a non-TPM background, I was greatly impressed as these customs were unheard of in our fellowships ( now I know that other Pastors also do it but they never boast as in TPM). Dressing of the TPM believers was also impressive. Everyone wearing white and sitting on knees was a sight to behold. It was so nice to be a part of this blessed prayerful group.
When I was growing up I had seen that there were committee meetings in our churches that led to fights and arguments and lo here I was at a place where there was no space for church politics. I used to see my spouse and all others making notes. I said to myself these people are so serious for the Word of God. I was so happy to see servants of God doing nothing other than worship and who have a burden for their believers. The annual conventions in TPM were so well organized and people were working tirelessly to make food for their fellow believers. I thought to myself this might be brotherly love as shown in the Acts of the Apostles. Slowly, I became very close to the SOGs and I was given many responsibilities also. Above all my in-laws were also happy to see me getting involved in many activities.
I continued in this fellowship for a few years but I would say that the since my upbringing was from another Pentecostal church there were some messages that came out of the pulpit that rang alarm bells in my mind. I said to myself “This was not what the bible says” “This is not how it supposed be” . I started asking my spouse about the messages and we knew what the SOG said was not correct. Concepts like the tier system in Heaven were alien to me. Ideas like the saints belonging to a different place and I would go to a different place was alien to me.
I saw many young workers die young for divine healing for which I felt sorry. The activities of the tarrying meetings were a surprise to me. I could see the elder toiling very hard to fill up the people in the Spirit and he would not relent until there is a huge commotion. I could see many people, especially the youngsters, filling in the spirit in a moment like a few seconds back they were seeing here and there and then just like the click of a switch they were filled). This particular elder acted as if he had the contract to fill the youngsters with spirit.
Then there were some double standards on the part of the SOG like he would not hit any child of a rich and influential believer but would hit the child of a poor believer. I started to compare the messages of the SOG with some well-known bible commentaries and I could find that they were poles apart. There was another practice that was a surprise to me. The rule that said that if you do not attend sanctification meetings you aren’t allowed to take holy communion. This concept was really unacceptable to me because my sanctification is between me and my Lord and I will answer only to my Lord if I partake the bread and wine in an unworthy manner. No SOG can dictate that to anybody. Slowly I started to feel the rottenness within the beautiful looking fruit that is TPM.
The LORD detests double standards; he is not pleased by dishonest scales.
Proverbs 20:23
As I was searching and comparing the doctrines of TPM, one day I stumbled on fromtpm.com and the first article that I read was about the Kanagraj murder case. Slowly, I started reading all the articles and could co-relate everything that was happening around me. Every attribute of TPM shown in fromTPM.com was something I personally knew of. I knew the author of the website was not bluffing as I could see all that was happening around me. Everything written in the articles was what I was taught as a part of my upbringing. I did not want to force anything on my spouse and so months passed by. My spouse was also praying for the truth to be revealed. Then one day after a special service in the faith home, my spouse informed me that She was filled in the Holy Spirit and she could hear a clear voice to FLEE from this den of thieves. That day I knew, finally, God has spoken and our days in TPM are numbered. Nobody can challenge this because the sheep knows the voice of the shepherd. We knew we have to leave but we were worried about the impact on my in-laws who continue to be in this cult.
I thank God for giving me such a spiritual, prayerful and understanding spouse who was not blind like other people in TPM. We continued to attend meetings in TPM for more than a year and were wondering how to make an exit and we knew we had to do this sooner or later. We understood that this cult can at best bring uniformity with themselves but not Unity with Christ. Then all of sudden on a beautiful Sunday morning we knew it was our last Sunday as TPM believers. After the meeting, we went to the SOG and informed him that we are leaving and won’t be a part of the fellowship anymore. He knew the background of our decision and was kind of annoyed but he knew we will not be back. We could escape from this cult as a family.
God helped us to connect to a very blessed fellowship .
This is a testimony for How God was gracious and led us to freedom.
@richie,
Thank you for the testimony brother, i could relate to you in some ways based on this testimony. I was always arguing with my family over these cult doctrines & never was confident or comfortable in their presence. Sovereign Lord watched over my decisions & got me out of this cult several years back & never looked back. But most or all I thank God for this blessed site through which I was able to convince my family & finally they can see the lies & the deception in that cult. I am praying for the day too when they will leave that den of thieves for good.
Praise God for delivering Richie and his family from the clutches of this demonic organisation.
Thank you brother for sharing your testimony here. May God bless you and keep you safe and secure in the true body of Christ.
Thank you God for the hardworking folks behind fromtpm.com. This platform is an invaluable source of information and a stage for liberated souls to share their testimony and in turn influence others who are sitting on the fence confused as to what to do next. May this testimony encourage more children of our God to escape the snare of the TPM Fowler.
These testimonies vindicate how God is using fromtpm.com to liberate enslaved souls from this satanic cult. Praise God!
Admin and team, God bless you and give you more wisdom and insights to uncover the filthiness of this evil organisation.
It’s really nice to see families exiting this cult of tpm on basis of doctrinal issues. Nevertheless coming out is most important. I believe, sooner or later, people coming out will one day be able to identify the real threat that tpm is. It doesn’t matter if we identify this harrowing impact of tpm faith on our eternal lives, before or after quitting tpm. We must realize them as brother richie and family realised is the ultimate need.
Thanks be to our father on heaven and his son Jesus our Lord. Congratulations brother for this great decision. When the prodigal son returned to his father, the whole family and friends celebrated it. Similarly says Jesus the whole heaven rejoices when one of his lost sheep is found. So let us rejoice.
Luke 15:22-24
22. But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: 23. And bring here the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: 24. For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Brother Richie, Praise God for your wonderful deliverance.
The picture on the Header does this article justice. Like it.
This is exactly why people fall for. The sea of whites, Hierarchy & asceticism of clergy, Coerced Obedience, instant burst of vibration and jumping, false prophecies, no public offering, strength in numbers, false & loud peaking of tongues, loud chanting and vain repetitions, etc is what is taken as the yardstick of the true blessed church of Christ.
Many fall into this and stay content & proud forever in the superficial traditions. They get what they want. Only few with genuine thirst to know God step out to pursue the pilgrim’s path and to such our Lord comes down and guides him/her through.
Your experience took me many years back when I recollect standing terrified at youth meetings, not knowing who will crash into me or give me punch from behind.
Hope and pray that this site continue to motivate many with Genuine thirst and inspire them to get out of this cult.
Where are you go and what ever church you and you should surrender only Jesus. Most of the people knows that Jesus loves enemies also. Yourself instead of criticizing, you start online messgae sermony and to prayer for the people who are going to God against churches. You four people changing names and write comments and testimonials. As per admin from TPM concept TPM PEOPLE AGAINST GOD AND YOU PEOPLE ALSO AGAINST Jesus Christ. You people more intelligent but as per God concern your and me all foolishness. Every soldier weapon is only prayer. As per admin concern he is taking revenge in the name of truth’. FINALLY JESUS LOVES THE ENEMIES AND YOUR WEAPON IS PRAYER AND ONLY BUT YOU PEOPLE ARE THINKING AS FLESH OF MAN LIKE ME . HOWEVER AS PER YOUR CONCERN I WILL TELL SOME CHURCHES NAMES AGAINST YOUR THINKING AND EVERYONE COULD SHARE SOME AMOUNT FOR PRINTING OF POSTERS and PAPER Pamphlets and to be distributed to all people. After completing of easy some CHURCHES and then people will believe and then we will go for tpm people’. Otherwise you people also cult like TPM as per Jesus Christ.
@Chandu
//You four people changing names and write comments and testimonials.
Have you seen that? Where did you get 4 people? Stop such stupid comments. Be warned. Next time Such comments are going to the trash can. OK?
@chandu,
A quick question, are you a member of TPM?
We should print posters and Pamphlets means we should write what Bible says with true verses and explanation and then people will know truths. We should love people and pray for them after distributing. Then we should start new church or rent veichle and to do canvas what Bible says. If you true believers of Jesus Christ.
@Chandu
Please read this site before you start commenting. You are in a loop of thinking that we are out to start a Church. We are not into a church starting business as is TPM. PERIOD.
We are happy to be a member of the Church of God.
Please understand what i am saying. Don’t revenge and don’t criticize and Don’t hurt anyone. Our Weapon is Prayer, Prayer,. There are more churches in bigger than TPM. First we should start from low churches in local languages. Your not loves your enemies. Do you know about Miriyam story. // my sanctification is between me and my Lord \\ in the same manner leave its God Judgement. You people are to Intelligent and Good Knowledge in Bible and Start discussion on Hebrew bible and to participate debates (Bible versus Qurran or Bible Versus Hindu) like Jerry Thomas. One Thing i want tell you that we are getting very happy when some people wrote testimony or articles against only TPM. Finally I will tell you, Your people heart is very pure and in your heart don’t put anything. To Pray God instead of you thinking about our enemies. If you are thinking about about TPM believers, to surrender to hand of God through More Pasting Prayers, and God will do miracles, if you believe Jesus Christ.
@ Chandu
//We should print posters and Pamphlets means we should write what Bible says with true verses and explanation and then people will know truths. We should love people and pray for them after distributing/
Dear chandu, let it be so as God inspires you to do. Admin felt inspiration to start website. So he did. Many joined him with time. If you feel inspired to print hardcopy poster and pamphlet, you may do so. As when Admin started he started alone , so you may have to start alone. It’s God’s work and God will raise you support. Perhaps many from fromtpm may join you. So go ahead. Minister God in way he is inspiring you.
What I am saying Jesus Christ loves enemies and in the same manner we loves enemies and to pray in fasting and this Church surrender to hands of God. God will help to his people’.why admin removed to comments with out answering. Finally we are against God like that Church and we are getting happy when some body wrote AGAINST TPM ONLY. YOU PEOPLE GOOD COMMAND BIBLE AND HAVING GREAT KNOWLEDGE. AS PER JESUS CHRIST, DON’T HURT ANY ONE AND DON’T CRITICIZE ANY ONE. JUST YOU SHOULD LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND TAKE FASTING PRAYER WEAPON AND PRAY FOR CHAGE OF TPM BELIEVERS. JUST WE WILL DISCUSS . HEBREW BIBLE AND SAVE THE WORLD
// AS PER JESUS CHRIST, DON’T HURT ANY ONE AND DON’T CRITICIZE ANY ONE
Which Bible are you using? Which verse says not to criticize? Please read Matt 23 if you think so.
I am the spouse of Richie. I just wanted to write something as I am inspired to do so.
Dear Sir @Chandu,
With all due respect I would like to clear to you the purpose of fromtpm is to cry out loud to our family and friends who are trapped in the tpm cult to save themselves just as it was in the days of Noah. We are not here with great Bible knowledge neither are we scholars to teach, for that there are some real good teachers already. Bible is a living manna for each and everyone and it should be read understood and followed by each individual till he or she is perfect unto Him as He is. Testimony shared here though doesn’t contain a wow factor yet there might be many like us who do not realise they are praising songs/Sunday school chapters/ testimonies for saints than for God yet it doesn’t alarm them… it is high time people have realised the Tpm temple has become a den of robbers and thieves… A very stiff necked people… I still love them all and as I said they are the children of God too and want them to love and serve Christ alone.. I hope you have got the point.
Secondly, I have my parents and family still in Tpm , whom I have been trying to convince and the reply I get are we are no one to question the saints, we should only take the good thing and not get involved in their personal life, no church is perfect.. my question for them is if Christ comes today where will your eternity be.. even if you have given your money, time, health and everything into this system but haven’t understood it wasn’t to God but to an idol where will your eternity be… Tpm believers just outrightly ignores things as if it is okay to do so… These faith homes have become a place of mockery, no emotions, no fear, a sense of so much pride. All these my God, though gracious, hates and shuns.
Every step in our life, every decision decides where our eternity is.
Admin I wrote two comments and why it is not showing
Dear Admin, Where is my First Comment is not posted
I think you people are also Cult like your church. Why my posts are deleted.
@Chandu
If the language is not clear, it may not get automatically approved. It is withheld. Quite a few of your sentences are incoherent and even now I am not clear what is meant by it.
I have been a member of TPM for about 50 years now. Over the years I have come across embittered opponents of TPM like the man who wrote the booklet “To CPM with Love” and others like this current “fromTPM” site. Have you noticed that ministers, officials, leadership of or spokesmen for TPM have never answered this site? Personally, I have not much hope for or desire to try to change the mind of such adamant enemies as the admin of this site, but in case there may be young, new, questioning or impressionable readers who could be misled and stumbled by the relentless unanswered attacks and libel on TPM published on the fromTPM site, I will give an answer from my years of experience. In almost every case where I have had personal contact with or knowledge of those embittered enemies of TPM fellowship, all those slanderers, gossipers, and hate filled opponents, all of them where at one time challenged to forsake all, live by faith and follow Jesus like His first disciples did. Almost every case is of someone challenged by the TPM Biblical model and lifestyle and teachings but they would not pay the price. They are an example of Sour Grapes, if you know that Aesop Fable. These evil speakers (writers) were not willing to obey the call to forsake all and deny themselves. They would not pay the price so they want no one else to do so. They don’t like the message so they continually try to shoot the messenger. You can see evidence on this very site how the one labeled admin tries to teach, preach and instruct others. I am sometimes happier when he preaches his gospel of envy and strife as it means less poison vomited out against TPM. So since there has been no rebuttal, I offer the truth I have seen. Most people in the world could care less about TPM. The ungodly often think, “if those nuts want to forsake all and live and minister by faith like Jesus did, let them.” Most people don’t pay much attention to TPM. It is just those self-condemned rebellious ones who put so much time and effort into beating up on TPM. Yes admin, you may think you are doing a noble deed to deliver souls from TPM, but it may be seen another way, you are stumbling and offending little ones who would have obeyed the Lord and followed Jesus.
Oh really?
Forsaking all and living like Jesus? LOLOL
I am not able to see any of these white clads nowadays. Jesus was in the streets with the common men healing them and helping them.
Where are your white clads now? Why are they cocooned inside the fake homes? Why cant they come and heal? I know most of the COVID cases in India is in Mumbai Pune Area.
Do you see your Younis Masih around? or is he having a picnic in Shirdon PC Ground? Is that how Jesus lived? Is Saving oneself the way Jesus lived?
If you know Malayalam, Please listen to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTHspJklGtA
@ Bro Devaraj
And what exactly is stopping the TPM ministers, officials, leadership from rebuking the fallen ones who are not willing to pay a price for a modest life. We do not want them to answer on this website or in any form of media since it is a sin ( thought it is not a sin for the so called ministers, officials and leadership to have a hidden smart phone) but since they are aware that the wicked enemy admin and people like me stealing the young sheep of TPM, why don’t they prove from their pulpits Article by article. There are huge international conventions where this can be done. Take any article from this wicked website and preach against it. We will get to know. Don’t you want lost sheep like me to get back or you have forsaken us and punsishing is. Ask them to do it. Does the Bible say that you should not speak or rebuke or rebuke the evil one. Start it. You have many learned and wise speakers like Teju Kurien, MT Thomas.
@ Devaraj,
Your comment looks like a typical TPM sermon.. Long and emotionally stirring without any scriptural basis. You try to lend Aesop’s fables by Homer. But couldn’t relate it to your message.. In fact, it looks like you are the fox!!! Thinking that the grapes shown in this site is sour as you still desire to cling to your beloved TPM..
Please use systematic theology and biblical expositions to show the truth of TPM specific doctrine. Not the cherry picking as is taught by the TPM clergy. I was deceived by that method for more than 34 years before the Lord graciously opened my eyes to see the unadulterated word of truth.
Brother Kumar,
Please write down your testimony like our Richie brother for the benefits people like Devraj and for the glory of God.
Devaraj Sir
50 years of your life you spent it into getting brain washed so I do not actually blame you for the thoughts and feelings you are having. Reaching to your own conclusion because someone has spoken against TPM. Pardon me if I am being rude but sir I fail to understand when you had a chance to ask questions and try to convince some why didn’t you try. Well I have absolutely zero hatred for you and trust me I can see as if I am reasoning with my siblings or parents here and so with all love I would like to know 50years into the system even by now you must be also be knowing the deep truths of this system and you purposefully remained silent. Is this living under same roof without being married Biblical? Which sour grapes are you talking about??
Have you lived in a hostel? Weren’t those days the most pleasurable days.. the sogs are still staying and enjoying in a hostel.. You said ‘Tpm biblical model’ where did this terminology come from in the first place??? You think your saints lived like Jesus did??? Like really??? Mary was with Jesus till He was crucified unlike your sogs who not only leave their parents sick and helpless but later derive great applause stating as to on what all condition they forbid themselves from meeting them… When was Jesus served special food on specially kept trays and plates… When did Jesus have assistants to do all His work…
Sir I am not even here dealing with major problems I am just highlighting on things happening in every faith home. Doesn’t all this ring a bell somewhere inside you. Admin has put his life, time and resources in stake to open atleast a few eyes. But then who can help someone who doesn’t want the healing, who does not want to see and accept. Please, my request is God gave us the capability to think and decide and if we don’t do it now will we have time tomorrow??
@Devaraj:
//Over the years I have come across embittered opponents of TPM like the man who wrote the booklet “To CPM with Love” and others like this current “fromTPM” site//
For the record I wish to reproduce (late) David Paul’s statement in his book “To TPM with Love” as follows: “I, therefore, write this book with a great burden and prayer that my beloved TPM ministers and believers would forsake their man-made, unscriptural doctrines and practices and return to the teachings found in the Word of God. Also I would like to state that I do not have even a dot of bitterness against them”.
If one doesn’t have this book handy, they may read this statement on the Home Page of the book link https://totpmwithlove.com/index.html. This book is a great read for those who are interested in knowing the erroneous doctrines of TPM and the double standard they practice between their churches in the east and the west. Interestingly, even late pastor Michael Thomas (TPM head for the west) distanced himself from this church’s eastern wing due to his disagreements over certain issues – read the letter correspondence between Michael Thomas and David Paul.
While David Paul has stated so clearly in his book that he has no bitterness against TPM, you charge him as an “embittered opponent of TPM” without providing any proof for your allegation. On one hand you have no hesitation in sweeping aside all the evidences against Joshua as edited texts, pictures and videos in a futile attempt to protect your dear church, while unfairly accusing an innocent godly man without any evidence to substantiate your charge.
I have known David Paul well, and he was liked so much by the TPM clergy of his time in the Madras center (and beyond). He was the founder and editor of Voice of Pentecost (English & Tamil) and was an invaluable asset to TPM’s ministry in the 70’s and 80’s. After he exited TPM for doctrinal reasons, people who had a vested interest in guarding the flawed doctrines of this church began calling him as “slanderer, gossiper, and hate filled opponent”.
I really fail to understand why all the critics of fromtpm.com presume that every person who has quit TPM has done so because of “hatred” or “bitterness” or “revenge”. Why can’t they accept that doctrinal disagreement could be a factor for someone exiting TPM? The reason for brother Richie exiting TPM is not hatred but doctrinal disagreement. So was it in my case, and I am sure it was the reason for many people who quit TPM. I know of people who quit TPM for non-doctrinal reasons, but these people have eventually moved back to TPM after a few church hopping episodes.
Please don’t do character assassination of individuals like David Paul or Admin of this site by calling them slanderers, gossipers, hate filled opponents, and embittered enemies of TPM. Instead, evaluate/debate on the soundness and validity of the messages they have presented. You have quoted “This type of fallacy occurs when someone attacks the person instead of attacking his or her argument”. Looks like you are guilty of the very same ‘Ad hominem’, that you have charged NMSTF with!
Hi Bro.Devaraj,
It’s not about forsaking all and joining the ministry. It’s about what we are going to do after forsaking all and joining TPM. So imagine we forsake all and join the ministry, what are we going to preach? Man made doctrines, doctrines given from the pit of hell by Alwin Thomas and spend the rest of our lives talking ill about other independant ministers. Isn’t it? Is that the life you are calling youngsters to live by asking then to forsake all ?
Also please note that when you use the call given by Christ (to forsake all and serve Him) to force youngsters to teach unbiblical doctrines, you are MISUSING the word of God. Be careful not to take the Word of God in vain.
@Devaraj
Please read my testimony “From the house of bondage to the liberty of Christ” on this website. I’m an ex-worker sister. You don’t know what happens inside these fake homes. What you see superficially (the sea of white) is a deception. I wrote my testimony for people like you as I feel sorry for the sincerely deceived TPM believers. Please be careful or else you or someone from your family can become the next victim of the white-clad. I lost 12 years of life & am very sick physically as a result of physical abuse in this system. If I had suffered for Christ, I would have no regrets. Just read my testimony & you’ll understand that I was not serving God but serving man’s selfish agenda. Before my exit, I spoke with other junior sisters who are still in the mission. They were all so happy for me that I found a way out. They cannot come out because their famiies will not accept them. When they read my testimony on this site, they agreed that what I wrote is 100% true. So you know that I’m not making up stories. I can walk up to these wolves & tell them to their face because after coming out, I’ve seen real sacrificial servants of God! It breaks my heart to see how many TPM believers are deceived by their clergy. Thank God for platforms like this where we can combine our experiences & expose the lies that we’ve been told all our lives!
//I can walk up to these wolves & tell them to their face because after coming out, I’ve seen real sacrificial servants of God! It breaks my heart to see how many TPM believers are deceived by their clergy.//
This is so true sister! Most TPM frogs are blissfully unaware of the existence of real sacrificial servants of God outside of their own protected water bodies.
There are(were) several TPM workers who serve(d) in the same city (like Chennai) for 30 years or more. Contrast this with someone like Ravi Zacharias, who traveled the world 200 days a year leaving behind his family/children to spread the gospel of Jesus! Who is real sacrificial? Is it the so called ‘consecrated’ TPM workers or people like Ravi Zacharias?
The very purpose of the gift of celibacy is to empower a person to step outside their comfort zone to proclaim the gospel, and not to cocoon and enjoy in their secure/familiar environment in the guise of serving God. Apostle Paul is a fine example of this, who traveled as far as Rome to spread the gospel, mostly in hostile conditions.
Yes, it breaks my heart too to see how the TPM believers are deceived by their clergy. I wish these TPM laity would watch the memorial service of Ravi Zacharias to realize one need not be an eunuch to serve God.
//Have you noticed that ministers, officials, leadership of or spokesmen for TPM have never answered this site? //
They don’t do it so that they can control the exposure of the gullible sheep from the so called “rebel voices”. Should they voice it in their sermons or Q&A, it will increase the traffic to this site and will ensure their nakedness is seen by many ( rather than the few who are aware and visit this site!) There are some brain washed ones who, when they read an article go back to the white-clads asking them the doubts posed in this site. They will immediately forbid this site and tell them that reading it will incur the wrath of God! ( As if the sovereign God is their stooge!) But, this is all done on 1 on 1 basis and never in public platforms.
I still remember the time when the movie ” Da Vinci code” was released. The SOG, having read the negative reviews in the paper was preaching and condemning it and thundering God’s wrath on the director and writer. Immediately after the service, few of our youths went to see the movie. When questioned, they said that they were curious as to see what had the SOG so miffed about. I was a Sunday school teacher then and was scandalized at those youths!
//They don’t do it so that they can control the exposure of the gullible sheep from the so called “rebel voices”. Should they voice it in their sermons or Q&A, it will increase the traffic to this site and will ensure their nakedness is seen by many//
I couldn’t agree with you more on this.
I am not sure if Devaraj realized this fallacy when he commented “What I said was that we have heard nothing from the slandered, libeled, accused Joshua. I did not say he was not guilty. The admin said he wrote for a response and got none from Joshua. Could it possibly be that Joshua is under authority not to comment or respond to anyone, much less fromTPM?”.
Joshua (and TPM) knows well that any response from him will only drive more traffic to his scandal and to fromTPM. Why would he do this when he knows time is the best healer in such situations. After all, public (TPM sheep) memory is short and eventually he will come out clean. We have seen this happen again and again, like in St. Sunny’s case.
//Almost every case is of someone challenged by the TPM Biblical model and lifestyle and teachings but they would not pay the price//
Devdas, glad you acknowledged that you follow TPM Biblical model. Is there such a thing in the scripture? This model pedaled by since 1923 is poles apart from what Christ prescribed in the scriptures. TPM biblical model is built on the ideology of Catholicism and Buddhism and VERY SHALLOW; not worth challenging.
//These evil speakers (writers) were not willing to obey the call to forsake all and deny themselves. They would not pay the price so they want no one else to do so//.
Dear Devdas, abandoning parents, siblings for a luxurious lifestyle of well appointed villas, having multi course meals, hand maids ( sorry assistants), chauffeur driven SUV’s, entertaining laity thrice or four times a week is OBEYING THE CALL OR PAYING THE PRICE as per TPM Model. But it is not so as per the gospel which Christ and his Apostles commanded us to follow.
Most people don’t pay much attention to TPM because on the outside they appear to be humble, simple, white wearing, non-medicine taking, non-ornaments wearing holy separated people. But when you scratch the surface you will notice; holiness outside and wickedness inside.
Only those inside know the depths of counterfeit and deceit practiced inside.
My FRIEND IN 50 YEARS IF YOU HAVEN’T REALISED THAT CHRIST IS THE ONLY MODEL WE NEED TO FOLLOW, then I feel sorry for you. You better make up your mind pretty quickly on which Model you want to follow.
Devaraj you are a fool. Spending 50 years in cpm. Get an appointment with the psychiatrist and get the medicines and cure yourself. I don’t want to you to comment on admin. Devaraj I know what us happening in cpm. I know what happened to pastor Kanagaraj. Devaraj you are a m**********r. You are a b*****d. I am not like others in forum. I am mad and angry on you people like devaraj……
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Eph 4:29
Brother Richie,
I am so glad that the good Lord has delivered you and your family from this bondage. Thanks for sharing your testimony on this site.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:14 “But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it”. I don’t expect hordes of people to quit TPM by reading the articles/testimonies on this site or through other means. True to the words of Jesus, only a few will escape the snare of TPM’s web of lies, while multitudes will not even be aware that they are trapped and doomed. I pray that your testimony may deliver a few from bondage and point them to the road that leads to life.
I could see a similarity and a dissimilarity in the deliverance of our two families from TPM.
Similarity: Like in your case, I am blessed with a spiritual spouse who does not consume whatever is dished out to her but examines every doctrine carefully to see if it aligns with the Word of God. We both used to discuss and debate a lot on all the questionable doctrines of TPM, and our insatiable quest led us to the truth and eventual exit from TPM. We quit TPM only for doctrinal reasons and not because of hatred or bitterness towards anyone including the clergy.
Dissimilarity: You mentioned that you went to the SOG and informed him that you were leaving and won’t be a part of TPM fellowship anymore – you were indeed very courteous to them. Unlike your case, we never felt obliged to inform the TPM clergy about our decision, and did not tell anyone when we quit. When the realization dawned upon us that we were enslaved in a demonic cult, we couldn’t help but show them a clean pair of heels. We were just fleeing to escape hell…
Bro, Richie,I must say this site is really enriched with your beautiful testimony,and I am sure those who ‘ve read it should leave no stone unturned without sharing it others.Many people are expressing their views in their own right as they feel that they’ve got free will to do it. But let them know one thing what the scripture talks about ..”For God will bring every deed into judgement with every secret thing,whether good or bad”
Ecclesiastes 12:14.
Jesus rightly points the same thing in Matthew 12:36… .”I tell you on the day of judgement men will render account for every careless word they utter. 37.th verse .”.For by your words you will be justified and by your words you are condemned.”…There lies a profound meaning in those words that Jesus told.In your testimony you did not slander any one nor did you point any one,you only simply presented your your life’s experience.People who are critical about the such experiences, should be doubly careful about the words they used in the light of Jesus teachings.They should also hear bro Sam Alangaramoney’s life testimony when he led his childhood years in the F.Hs. That was his beautiful audio testimony that this site has presented a couple of times.I believe he is also having more than 50 years of faith life that God had led him in CPM and he eventually came out of this CULT system and stands as a living testimony for Jesus.
Dear Brothers/Sisters ChristMySaviour, Nath, Redeemed, NMSTF, ABAS, EE
I am overwhelmed by your encouraging words for sharing my testimony. I hope that this will help many brothers and sisters to come out of this deception. As brother EE and others said I left TPM purely for doctrinal issues and certain teachings that I found were unbiblical.
I had a very good relation with the SOG, Mothers and Worker Sisters and they have always treated me very nicely. I was even encouraged to take more active roles. For example, I could not accept whats written in their Sunday School books. Its blasphemy. Its robbing God. How could I teach the small kids this venom, this deception? I cannot face God after that even if was made the Sunday School headmaster. What if some child decides to become a worker after studying in my class (you never know how and what way the thoughts of small children can be influenced). How can I teach the children what I myself don’t believe to be true.
What I could not accept were the messages coming out from the pulpit. There was no use sitting there and wasting 3-4 hours and find the biblical basis for the messages coming out from the pulpit. I knew there were none.
I sincerely pray that more and more people come out of this organization called TPM.
Senior SOG they all knew at the end of the day they act like they serve God but in my view it looks that they end up protecting there bellies and afraid to declare the truth or try making changes in the tpm church….
To answer Kumar’s comment; you are completely wrong about TPM not using Scripture. They quote the Bible all the time. I have found because they obey and do the ministry according to the New Testament pattern their exposition of Scripture is more life giving than many other men pleasing modern sermons that can heard online.
About the Aesop fable, i was just using a well known source that very well illustrates the bitter denial of the consecrated ministry by those that refused to do it. The Sour Grapes fable illustrates many that spew hatred toward TPM on this site. And the Aesop fable was by Aesop, not Homer. Here it is below:
The Fox and the Grapes is one of the Aesop’s fables. The story concerns a fox that tries to eat grapes from a vine but cannot reach them. Rather than admit defeat and failure, he states they are undesirable.
If the shoe fits…
and by the way, Paul and others quoted pagan philosophers and their sayings in order to communicate with Gentiles who did not know the Hebrew Scriptures.
I am not a Systemic Theologian as you require. Though you didn’t quote any specific verses to refute my observation of sour grapes, or give examples of Cherry Pickings. by the way, what Scripture is “cherry picking” from?
Dear Devaraj,
How many times you have seen them quoting the bible verses in context. You may not know it since TPM people don’t read the Bible with the intention of understanding it. Please give me clarification of some prevalent teachings exclusively available in TPM.
You said, //I have found because they obey and do the ministry according to the New Testament pattern their exposition of Scripture is more life giving than many other men pleasing modern sermons that can heard online.//
Which New Testament verse establish the different types of heaven and the inhabitants there?
Which Jesus and Apostles talk about Zion? Explain with verse from NT not with quotes from OT.
Please show me one verse from New Testament having the word consecration?
Which is the place of Paul the Ramankutty in Heaven? Kindly explain?
Like many …..
Next set of questions will be given after getting the scriptural based answers for the above question?
Dear Devaraj,
//And the Aesop fable was by Aesop, not Homer.//
I stand corrected.
//If the shoe fits…
and by the way, Paul and others quoted pagan philosophers and their sayings in order to communicate with Gentiles who did not know the Hebrew Scriptures.//
Agreed.
//The Sour Grapes fable illustrates many that spew hatred toward TPM on this site. //
I disagree. This site shows where the TPM has erred in dividing the word of truth. Also, it shows the bad fruit (evil works) of the system which it produced by following that system.
//you are completely wrong about TPM not using Scripture. They quote the Bible all the time. I have found because they obey and do the ministry according to the New Testament pattern their exposition of Scripture is more life giving than many other men pleasing modern sermons that can heard online.//
Let me start by an illustration. Before Galileo and Copernicus, the view of our solar system was ” Geo- centric one” as put forward by Eudoxus and accepted by the revered Ptolemy. The Church(Catholic was the only church then!) even accepted it as the truth. So, when Copernicus put the theory of Heliocentricism of our Solar system and when Galileo proved it, they rejected them outright as heresy.
Even so, TPM’s view of the bible revolves around with “the saints”(a.k.a workers) as the center. Every deeper meaning has them rather than Jesus as the true saviors. It is similar to Geocentric(human centered) rather than heliocentric ( Sun(Jesus) centered). That is when the cherry picking starts and rejects anyone trying to explain otherwise. They immediately blame them and label them as ” hate-spewers”, ” backsliders” , “poison” etc.
//I am not a Systemic Theologian as you require. Though you didn’t quote any specific verses to refute my observation of sour grapes, or give examples of Cherry Pickings. by the way, what Scripture is “cherry picking” from?//
The workers do not study theology nor are trained in systematic theology. Also, such study is actively discouraged. This is where the skew starts as they are not able to rightly divide the word of truth as in 2Tim 2: 15
KJV
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
Be diligent to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who doesn’t need to be ashamed, correctly teaching the word of truth.
To cut short, let me paste a couple of links from this very website for your reflection for the cherry – picking I was referring to.
https://www.stas-afke.com/blog/2017/11/30/tpm-corrupting-innocent-minds/
https://www.stas-afke.com/blog/2018/03/17/verified-by-failed-tpm-teachings/
https://www.stas-afke.com/blog/2018/06/20/mocking-the-holy-spirit-the-tpm-way/
Do you know that the seed of fear for an angry god was planted by these pulpit thunderers to control the innocent people and make them believe that the almighty sovereign God is at their beck and call?
Answering Christ Alone:
Mary wasn’t with Jesus all the time. Read Matthew 12:48 or Mark 3:31-35, when Jesus mother and brethren came to get him and were without What was Jesus’ answer. How could Jesus’ call His disciples to forsake all if He Himself didn’t do it. Luke 14:26; Mark 10:29 I think Jesus prophetically and specifically never addressed Mary as His mother after He forsook all according to the will and call of God. He always addressed her as mother and never did what she asked. John 2:4 & 19:26. The Lord must have known that the Roman Church would try to turn Mary into and idol.
About Special Food and treatment for Pastors, you are right, it doesn’t look right or sacrificial. And the godly pastors I have known did not demand it. Sometimes it may be for health, but it now seems like a bad habit or practice they have gotten into. In once sense though, we could ask the Prime Minister to do his own laundry, driving and cooking, but I would rather he run the government or country than spend his time ironing his own clothes
He always addressed Mary as Woman, not mother i meant to write
Dear Devaraj,
If Jesus forsake everything including his parents and encouraged others to do so Why did he say on the cross,
John 19 : 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman,[a] here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
Dear Sir Devaraj
This has come from the continuous teaching that has been bombarded on you since last so many years so I don’t blame you for this. The problem lies in the fact that you have just portrayed that Jesus to be selfish who is running away from the responsibility He had towards Mary for whom He was the first born. So what does Bible say about that which you quoted. Forsaking does in no way mean running away from the responsibility that you have as an individual, none of the apostles did nor did Jesus and thus at the cross when Jesus realizes that his siblings won’t be able to take care of Mary, He asks John to take care of his mother. Its true that Jesus was not with Mary all the time, even today many of us are not always with our parents, does that mean we will not take care of them when they are sick, when they need us? This is not at all what your saints do. This analogy is not correct.
Moreover when these people are sick or weak or even if they are fasting they prefer to take fruit shakes, protein drinks and so on, may I know if these bournvita and protein shakes don’t contain chemicals in them or God will close eyes on that. Is this called forsaking the world?
Secondly, Mary is referred to as woman to fulfil the prophesy of Gen 3:15, where Mary is that prophesied Woman and He is the seed of the prophesied woman. It is the same way as He refers to Himself as Son of Man to identify Himself to be that Son Of Man mentioned in Daniel 7: 13,14.
Why have you compared them with Prime Minister? Will you compare Ceaser with Paul or Peter? Do you believe that Apostle Paul had men and women who did his laundry? Will the so called consecrated ones who lead a sacrificial life wash their own clothes? Is that such a big thing that you need 3 maids whom you have trapped stating they will serve God and doing nothing which might please God.
Please read the testimony of Sister Blessed Assurance how the concecrated and sacrificial family (comprising of husband and wife) made her work. Of course TPM will say that the sister is fallen and may have other interests and her testimony is false.
@Devaraj:
//In once sense though, we could ask the Prime Minister to do his own laundry, driving and cooking, but I would rather he run the government or country than spend his time ironing his own clothes//
Only difference, the Prime Minister’s attendants doing these chores are well compensated, in fact, way more than people doing similar errands in the civil society, whereas, the junior clergy in the TPM system are bonded laborers doing unpaid work. The deluded clergy and laity of TPM will call this “service to God”, but any person with a sound mind will understand that they labor for men and not God. Please read the testimony of Blessed Assurance on this website, but I don’t think it will change the reasoning of many TPMites as their deception is deep from many years of indoctrination with TPM’s deeper revelations.
@Devaraj:
//In once sense though, we could ask the Prime Minister to do his own laundry, driving and cooking, but I would rather he run the government or country than spend his time ironing his own clothes//
This is exactly the language of heathens. Not of a Christ follower.
Luke 22:25-27
25. And he said unto them The kings of the GENTILES exercise lordship over them; ……. 26. But IT SHALL NOT BE SO AMONG YOU: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
Jesus himself did not liken himself to prime minister. He said, I am not sitting at meat, but serving like waiter. This proves TPM workers are fraudulent workers and not followers of Christ and his instructions.
Answer to Abas:
David Paul can state or write anything he likes, but that doesn’t make it true. The evidence of all his efforts to destroy and damage the TPM fellowship speaks for itself.
I know David Paul moved closely with the TPM ministry and eventually became to think of himself and wiser and better than they, hence the independent and poison “love letter to TPM”
About the late Michael Thomas distancing himself from the church’s eastern teaching, i know this to be completely wrong or a lie. David Paul printed personal letters or emails that were written out of the goodness of Pastor Thomas’ heart trying to instruct an erring soul (david paul) and David dishonestly publicly printed his personal communications without permission and against Pastor Michael’s will. So I have just given you evidence that David Paul did not act as “an innocent godly man” when he deceptively printed private communications without permission. I did not excuse Singapore Joshua. About Pastor Joshua, I swept nothing aside. I just stated that there has been no chance or occasion so far for Pastor Joshua or the Indonesian TPM worker or anyone else to answer or refute the charges of a divorced woman whom I believe the evidence would show may be mentally ill.
I am not sure of your blanket statement that we “presume that every person who has quit TPM has done so because of hatred…” Some may be mistaken doctrinal views, moral failure and backsliding, or any number of reason.
@Devaraj:
//David Paul can state or write anything he likes, but that doesn’t make it true. The evidence of all his efforts to destroy and damage the TPM fellowship speaks for itself//
This clearly shows your bias. You are targeting the man and not his argument. Someone may see his work as an effort to expose TPM’s unbiblical doctrines to its ignorant laity. If you think otherwise, you should clarify why/how by selecting one or two of his arguments and presenting your counter with biblical backup to substantiate your claim. For instance, you may choose “TPM’s version of Holy Communion” or “TPM’s version of consecrated ministry” that he has discussed in his booklet.
//David Paul printed personal letters or emails that were written out of the goodness of Pastor Thomas’ heart trying to instruct an erring soul (david paul) and David dishonestly publicly printed his personal communications without permission and against Pastor Michael’s will.//
I don’t find anything in Michael Thomas’ letter that are instructions to an erring David Paul. If anything, Michael’s letter echoes David Paul’s views, and that’s why he mentioned in his letter that they don’t follow the eastern model in their churches in the west. Why would you say David Paul dishonestly published Michael Thomas’ letter when there is no private or confidential information shared therein? After all, their letters discuss only about scriptural model of church and ministry. Even if this letter was published without Michael Thomas’ permission, you may say it was breech of trust, but you cannot deny the fact that Michael Thomas distanced himself from their eastern teachings – the letter is very evident on this.
//I just stated that there has been no chance or occasion so far for Pastor Joshua or the Indonesian TPM worker or anyone else to answer or refute the charges of a divorced woman whom I believe the evidence would show may be mentally ill.//
Perhaps, Admin’s note in the article “The Sexploits of Joshua-1” may have escaped your attention, which I reproduce here: “Before starting with this expose of the Man in White, we had written him an e-mail mentioning about the seriousness of the matter. We had asked him to respond back with his defence. He has chosen to ignore the mail and has not responded even after a reminder copying the headquarters”. Please be informed that Joshua was given an opportunity to explain his side, but he never did (How can he?). Even now Joshua can post his defense in this forum to clarify his side.
// Some may be mistaken doctrinal views, moral failure and backsliding, or any number of reason//
Please add “some may have found that TPM’s doctrines are unbiblical” to your list.
Please understand that this forum is exposing the false teachings of TPM. If you are really serious in defending TPM’s doctrines, you should stop targeting individuals (David Paul or Admin) and start debating on the articles (doctrinal ones) published on this site. That would benefit many. There is no point reiterating “Your way (TPM) or my way (fromtpm) is the right way” without debating issues that matter. Hope you will do that.
Dear Devaraj,
//About the late Michael Thomas distancing himself from the church’s eastern teaching, i know this to be completely wrong or a lie. David Paul printed personal letters or emails that were written out of the goodness of Pastor Thomas’ heart trying to instruct an erring soul (David Paul) and David dishonestly publicly printed his personal communications without permission and against Pastor Michael’s will. So I have just given you evidence that David Paul did not act as “an innocent godly man” when he deceptively printed private communications without permission.//
The one Michael Thomas and David Paul had was a ” Dialogue” on each’s views and the statement of Faith and what they preached.
What is essential to TPM is such dialogue. But such was never TPM’s way as they always used the pulpit to say what was needed to be said without giving the other person a chance to speak.
Your initial sentence contradicts your other statement and have shot yourself in the foot! You said ” About the late Michael Thomas distancing himself from the church’s eastern teaching, i know this to be completely wrong or a lie” and then later said”emails that were written out of the goodness of Pastor Thomas’ heart trying to instruct an erring soul (David Paul) ”
So in effect are you saying that Michael Thomas was feinting to bait David Paul back to the fold?
Moreover, these emails are the proof that TPM workers have different beliefs themselves that what is preached in the pulpit.. Isn’t it? If you do know that David Paul has erred, kindly present your views with biblical validation.
Answer to Dave:
I am not clear how to answer your accusation of “doctrines from the pit of hell by Alwin” as you did not state any of them or give a Biblical examples of unbiblical doctrines.
I would like to use this non-response to state another Logical Fallacy that is seen in the majority of articles and comments here. I know it is not from the Bible, but I just give it here as an illustration. It is called the Straw Man Fallacy:
Strawman Fallacy: Substituting a person’s actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of the position or the argument.
Logical Form: Person 1 makes claim. Person 2 restates person 1’s claim (in a distorted way).
Straw man occurs when someone argues that a person holds a view that is actually not what the other person believes. … So, instead of attacking the person’s actual statement or belief, it is the distorted version that is attacked.
Since I think every reader of this site could agree that TPM/CPM/etc Ministry has never responded to any of the attacks continually published on this site, TPM leadership have never officially answered or made any doctrinal statements on this site, just about the only information given about TPM here on fromTPM is from hostile and/or erroneous, slanted, twisted, unofficial witnesses or is something spun like the Fake News so prevalent today
@Devaraj:
//… just about the only information given about TPM here on fromTPM is from hostile and/or erroneous, slanted, twisted, unofficial witnesses or is something spun like the Fake News so prevalent today//
This is a total lie. Please see “TPM Doctrine Sources” mentioned in the top line (red band) of this website. Besides, actual audio clippings of TPM messages have been used in many articles on this site.
In fact, I was taken aback by Pastor MT Thomas praising the virtues of late Alwin in one of his sermons, the audio clipping of which was published on this site (see article “The Special Revelation of Alwin” dated January 31, 2019). None of the TPM senior clergy had uttered anything good or positive about Alwin in private or in public (sermons) in the past. In Pastor Paul’s biography published by TPM, Alwin’s name does not appear in the list of “Saints After Pastor Paul”, even though he was the Chief Pastor of this mission from 1945 to 1962. TPM always maintained that Alwin was a fallen saint, but that seems to be changing of late!
You will claim that this audio clip is fake, edited, and what not…there has to be a limit to one’s denial.
@devaraj
Dear bro people like you some years how lives 50 years in tpm but they kill many innocent young sisters…some brothers who couldn’t live there because they try to oppose clergy or demand justice but your people murder them by hard labour and finally covers it up saying slept in the lord… would you stand before God when he asks you in the judgement day for the innocent souls they used and killed mercilessly… you still provided them tithes knowing that what happens is not Godly or never the will of God.What Jesus said it’s not the performance but he that doeth the will of God not the will of this man made system of washing white garments and keeping it white external y.this clergy made it looked they earned there way to heaven no one could be saved unless Jesus was crucified for you and I which the clergy members say it’s for common Christians but we have deeper truths and holy saints ,I wonder how they became holy without Christ as the basis…
Well I have a explanation for this….coronovirus
The sin of Sodom and gomorrah
The sin of adultery
The sin of abortion
The sin of same sex marriage
The sin of infidelity and extramarital affairs
QWhen we see in the bible…there are two circumstance in which god itself volunteers to destroy
First instance the flood during the days of noah
Second instance Sodom and gomorrah
When we see this…we are able to understand the mind of god to some extent
God does not tolerate sexual sin…it is very clear isn’t it
Coronovirus is a way of god telling to human beings…..don’t commit sexual sin…otherwise I will destroy you…I can’t tolerate it
No , you moron (sorry for the harsh language but sometimes a spade has to be called a spade).
The Coronavirus occurred due to some clown in Wuhan who consumed a bat (which are known to harbour numerous viruses) and the virus jumped across species, as it did with HIV (a symbian-based virus).
There is nothing “Godly” about a pandemic.
Sound medical evidence for it.
Why would God start a pandemic that would cause his beloved TPM Church to be closed on a Good Friday and Easter and of course, shut down the “World Cup of TPM”, their Annual Conventions?
Churches are projected to be closed until at least September.
@Hritik79
What makes you think that God is interested in Religious business organizations camouflaged as churches?
Go back to history, you can see that God has used Plagues for his purpose.
Remember the 10 Plagues of Egypt?
When well read literate articulate men like our friend like Devraj are deceived by this TPM delusion, I wonder what hope an average illiterate TPM believer has of escaping this thick darkness.
I was once an average TPM believer, but if not for the amazing grace of God, I would have been still blind just like most of our TPM friends are. May God have mercy on all our blind TPM friends and enable them to escape the TPM Delusion.
Praise God for saving me and thank God for raising up brave men fromtpm.com to shine the light of the true gospel of Jesus Christ into the dark alleys of this demonic cult which keeps literate men like Devraj under bondage.
With man it is impossible but with God all things are possible, including performing the miracle of delivering good men like Devraj from the TPM delusion.
TPM Australia finance balance sheet can be downloaded from here.
https://www.acnc.gov.au/charity/4624491d287efdd9327291d226a1a178#financials-documents
For the naive ones in India, NCPC New Covenant Pentecostal Church is TPM of Australia. Their details below.
https://www.acnc.gov.au/charity/4624491d287efdd9327291d226a1a178#overview
You can click on Financial documents, People etc., for more info
What gave me a laugh was their description of helping “poor and needy” when their so called forsaken all consecrated servants loathe in expensive apple products and luxurious items in their fake homes
Dear Riche,
Good to read your testimony brother, Praise Jesus, The good shepherd.
I had a similar experience. My in-laws are Tpmites, but I got married in AG church. I was very open minded from beginning that all the churches are body of Christ and used to accept it whatever comes along. God had to deal with my assumptions some day.
God gracefully baptized with his holy spirit since the day I was saved and was attending AG church. After marriage due to some reasons I started attending TPM church, initially with the assumption mindset of mine all was well within me. One day during prayer with a TPM pastors, just that moment when prayer was about to start, holy spirit manifested through me in tongues and Pastor, brothers witnessed this. Sharply, from that day onwards, I started praying with an unexplained burden in my heart, became very restless to know God’s plan for my church. Constantly praying “god reveal to me the church where I should be “. To my surprise actions followed within 2 weeks, that Sunday tpm pastor preached a message and gave explanations to Romans 7:24 at the end. The verse explanations were totally out of the context and It was clearly not explained in a good spirit. I was very disturbed with that message became very restless, started to explore following 5 days till Friday on the Romans, read commentaries. But within me, I could not get compromised with the message preached that Sunday. Very restless and disturbed I was because understanding any bible verse was not this manipulative to me, Moreover it was explained with yeast of other intentions. Midst of this disturbance, Just then I got convinced that God has guided me about my church decision. There was a great peace and joy in that decision to quit tpm, thanks Jesus. At the very moment, when I told this to my wife that we will go back to our home AG church. She readily accepted this, wow seriously ?. So it was double confirmation from God. The following Sunday God took us back to our church attended previously. There was joy abundance, grace abundance, peace abundance. In the god’s presence I felt, just could not control my tears and thanked god for his guidance. Amazingly my wife too had parallelly realized God has bought us back. We had a great peace in our decision. She does not mention of TPM since then and its been years now. When pastor was told about us leaving the tpm church, he or anyother church members did not dare to convince me to come back. Because they had witnessed holy spirit anointing once before, as I mentioned. God is in Control ! you see ….
What a wonderful god who guides us through his counselling spirit. Praise God. People in confusion about the church have to pray to God for his guidance. He will be absolute in our confusions. Just allow holy spirit to control in you. It was specifically and uniquely promised to you. Discern with holy spirit.
Thanks to admin and friends for this platform.
@ Kumar..//”Let me start by an illustration. Before Galileo and Copernicus, the view of our solar system was ” Geo- centric one” as put forward by Eudoxus and accepted by the revered Ptolemy. The Church(Catholic was the only church then!) even accepted it as the truth. So, when Copernicus put the theory of Heliocentricism of our Solar system and when Galileo proved it, they rejected them outright as heresy.//
//Even so, TPM’s view of the bible revolves around with “the saints”(a.k.a workers) as the center. Every deeper meaning has them rather than Jesus as the true saviors. It is similar to Geocentric(human centered) rather than heliocentric ( Sun(Jesus) centered). That is when the cherry picking starts and rejects anyone trying to explain otherwise. They immediately blame them and label them as ” hate-spewers”, ” backsliders” , “poison” etc”//
Kudos to you dear Kumar brother,for refuting the every canard and unscriptural doctrines of this CULT.
While congratulating you for the spirited reply point by point to the said brother we have on board, I wish to emulate you that you have nailed the last nail on the coffin box as they usurped the very Deity of Jesus, the Saviour of the mankind and His rulership of the mankind.
In the correct sense ,You ‘ve re echoed this site’s heart and mind of 400+ episodes that explain why the entire CPM /TPM/NTC/NCTC as cultic based and saints(a.k.a.workers) centred that this entire fellowship of CULLT deserves to be mentioned as deep miry clay.
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Before I try to answer some of the comments on my comments I must give some credit to whom credit is due and say Kudos to the admin for posting my comments and responses. Considering the slander, libel and hate continually poured out against TPM it was surprising to me that the admin allowed my dissenting comments. Maybe some other informed TPM members will enter dialog and debate on this site. By this I mean actual TPM members, or even ministers, not the fake believers that are created by TPM enemies to mock the fellowship and ministry, like the fake believer Elenia (or something like that). I am already weary of trying to answer straw man attacks and the fake news.
There was a comment about TPM doctrines being from Alwin from the pit of Hell. Wasn’t Alwin put out of CPM/TPM for false teaching and doctrine. This was done to a CP by TPM ministry itself, and proves that TPM does not accept false, unbiblical, heretical teaching.
To the point about me attacking David Paul. What I say is a fact. He published personal and private correspondence with Pastor Michael Thomas. Pastor Thomas was not trying as you say;
“So in effect are you saying that Michael Thomas was feinting to bait David Paul back to the fold?”
Your statement is just another example of making a STRAW MAN out of what I wrote and TPM official teachings. That is not what I was saying. I said your hero David Paul unethically published what I know to be private communications. Pastor MThomas was not feinting or baiting David. I would ask you to find out from the USA ministry but I don’t think they would respond to you, as you mentioned about Singapore Pastor Joshua M who didn’t respond to the admin. What I said was that we have heard nothing from the slandered, libeled, accused Joshua. I did not say he was not guilty. The admin said he wrote for a response and got none from Joshua. Could it possibly be that Joshua is under authority not to comment or respond to anyone, much less fromTPM?
About the teaching from commentator EE (don’t know if he is the former Eagle Eye), the Roman Catholic (Popish) Church was never the “only church in the world” and is actually not a biblical church but a cult, as you all so often accuse TPM of being. The Eastern Orthodox Church has been around as long or longer, and in Kerala we have the Mar Thoma which claims the same. Not everyone was in error about the earth being flat. Isaiah 40:22 I am not trying to get into science or be geocentric but since they say everything is expanding away from us in every direction there is nothing that actually disproves the earth is not the center of the physical universe, or could be, or any other place could be for that matter. I think your point was that TPM ministers mistakenly try to be the center of worship, or some such STAW MAN. This statement or teaching of yours goes against what seems to be the very theme, or motto of TPM and that is printed on the wall of just about every TPM Meeting Hall:
Colossians 1:28 WHOM WE PREACH (Christ)…
2Cor. 4:5 is another verse on many of their letterheads.
To the Luther 2020, probably in Australia, please publish also the accounts of the Lutheran Church in Australia for us. How about Hillsongs Accounting Records, AOG, Foursquare, etc
There is a story about a man who tried to teach a pig to dance. He couldn’t teach it and it only got the pig mad. So then he picked up the pig’s dung and tried to wash it and polish it. It didn’t get clean or shiny and he himself only got dirty. This is how I feel about this site and can’t actually blame the Official TPM ministry and ministers for never dialoging and trying to interact or communicate with this site. I myself will stop for now.
Which brings me to a final point. As I mentioned earlier, most of the world does not much notice or care about TPM. It is not as big as other groups, especially those who preach a prosperity gospel, a man centered gospel, a nationalistic gospel, etc. The rabidly anti-TPM commentators and posters on this site seem obsessed to deliver poor deluded souls out of TPM and its ministry. I firmly believe that most of these antiTPM haters are ones that should have stayed, obeyed, and some were called at one time to forsake their all to serve the Lord, some could have used all their energy expended now to tear TPM down in an effort to make the fellowship better, etc. but they rebelled against the truth and now try to destroy those callings and teachings that they would not obey, the price they would not pay. I did a Google Search. I will post a few of the many links below. I hope young or impressionable souls will not read the links and get disillusioned at all the testimonies. The links list some of the moral failures and scandals of much larger fellowships that have much more influence in the world than TPM and could damage many more souls than you claim TPM has done. There are moral failures, wrong doctrines, wolves in sheep’s clothing, predators in every fellowship. If we went by this list and acted like the fromTPM supporters are doing, we should try to get everyone out of AOG, Foursquare, Word of Faith, etc. etc. etc. because some of their ministers failed, fell into sin and error, or went off the rails. I have read the continual slander against TPM that is not “fromTPM” but more like fellfromTPM. We in TPM have stayed with the Biblical doctrine, calling, revelation, and lifestyle the Lord delivered, lived and that the Holy Spirit has witnessed to us. I ask you all to just imagine if you are wrong. Then you are damaging those honest and innocent souls that are faithful to their call to be consecrated (I know many hate our use of that word) Servants of God and believers and little ones! Using your standard of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, none of you critics should participate in any on the denominations and ministries listed below.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.crime/Dhi3956BYMs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_scandals
https://www.wayoflife.org/database/recent_pentecostal_scandals.html
Dear Devaraj,
What I see is that you are least bothered about answering the questions in a sincere way. You are another typical TPM fanatic who is continuing with the broad paint and is least interested in even understanding what others are saying.
For eg. ABAS asked you to check out a testimony(The Special Revelation of Alwin) in which the Alwin Audio is available. However, from your reply, it’s amply clear that you are in your own make-believe world of TPM. You have not even bothered to listen to that. Why is that so?
Now please listen to this attached audio and tell me if you think Alwin’s doctrines and teachings are thrown out along with Alwin? Is not TPM still eating the fruit of the wicked Tree of Alwin?
I am expecting a sincere reply and not a beating around the bush which you have been doing till now.
Next time when you reply to individuals, please reply to each of them and not a general mish-mash which is leading nowhere.
Attachment MT-Thomas-Alwyn.mp3
//Maybe some other informed TPM members will enter dialog and debate on this site. By this I mean actual TPM members, or even ministers, not the fake believers that are created by TPM enemies to mock the fellowship and ministry, like the fake believer Elenia (or something like that). I am already weary of trying to answer straw man attacks and the fake news.
Go and Get your best theologian in TPM. We are more than willing.
MT Thomas confirms that they (TPM clergy) preach only Alwin’s doctrines over and over, and they have nothing new to preach! Listen from 04.40: he says there is hardly anything new for us to speak, and even if we speak something new, you (TPM believers) won’t listen to us. You (TPM believers) will say what our forefathers (Alwin) have said is enough.
Looks like MT Thomas is actually making a mockery of the TPM believers in this audio clip! He appears to convey to his stupid TPM sheep that they are already sold out to Alwin’s (erroneous) doctrines, and preaching the truth now will only be met with their resistance/rejection, and that’s why TPM is not preaching the truth to their laity.
Clever MT seems to have understood the TPM mindset very well and feels that bringing Alwin’s glory back will consolidate his position and band together his blind sheep from distracting forces like fromtpm.
Brother Devaraj seems oblivious to this fact when he says: “There was a comment about TPM doctrines being from Alwin from the pit of Hell. Wasn’t Alwin put out of CPM/TPM for false teaching and doctrine. This was done to a CP by TPM ministry itself, and proves that TPM does not accept false, unbiblical, heretical teaching”. May be brother Devaraj believes this is a fake audio clip. Hope some informed TPM member, by this I mean actual TPM member (or even a TPM minister), will tell him that this audio clip is true.
Deva’s batting is like a batsman who plays lots of balls but yet to get off the mark. Sounded like just another TPM sermon from my last 45 years in CPM/TPM/UPC/NTC/NCPC.
I don’t miss it at all.
@ Devraj
@// I ask you all to just imagine if you are wrong. //
You are imagining that TPM is right, and you want us to imagine fromtpm is wrong ? Wow! Why don’t you try reverse? Imagine fromtpm is right and TPM is wrong! Aren’t you supporting false teachers of TPM then? Aren’t you putting eternity of lakhs of people in jeopardy by supporting TPM?
Note: if you don’t to fly in dreams try coming down on earth. Read some of the articles and help us realise that we are wrong. We are waiting.
Dear Devaraj,
I was expecting some response for my comments from you. Now I am very clear about your bible knowledge. You were bragging that our so called saints use bible verses to support their claim. If so why did you fail miserably to answer me. Pathetic situation of TPM FANATICS.
I feel sorry for Deva now. Anytime a sincere TPM believer visits fromtpm.com, he is going to lose his peace and I think our friend Deva is in that state of mind.
He came here like a brave TPM warrior brandishing his 50 year old TPM sword, thinking that he would destroy the enemies of TPM with his TPM theology and debating skills. However after seeing the evidence against the false doctrines of TPM, it looks like he has got more than what he bargained for.
He thought this was an amateur site with lies and false propoganda about his beloved saints hosted by illiterate disgruntled ex workers from TPM.
He did not expect to see his beloved St.Sunny at his sodmite best nor did he expect to view the adventures of his most beloved St.Joshua the playboy. The texts could have been fabricated but he did not expect to see the videos. Not counting the murders and other scandals.
He did not expect that every deeper doctrine of TPM would be dissected so skillfully on sound scriptural basis, and exposed as false teachings to the whole world. He also did not expect to read testimonies of former TPM believers about actual liberation from this cult.
Initially, he was surprised that the admin of fromtpm.com published his comments. He also did not expect that the admin and the other commentators on fromtpm.com would respond to his statements with intelligent questions for which he is still looking for answers.
Now, our friend Deva, who knows he has very less time on this planet, is wondering if all the 50 years he spent in building TPM’s kingdom was in vain. He is counting the cost in terms of money, time and physical labour he exerted to keep the TPM flag flying thinking. His state would be even more deplorable, if, he has one of his dear ones in this satanic ministry.
He was under the impression that, he, like the real old testament Joshua was holding up Moses’s hand, but now at this very moment, he is grappling with the realisation that he was in fact propping up the Devil’s hands and building Satan’s TPM kingdom.
It is no shame in accepting that you have been duped by TPM, because we were all in that boat once, but the real shame would be if you don’t do anything about it now, after knowing that you have been deceived. The mountain of evidence fromtpm.com stares at his face and he cannot ignore it any longer, no matter how hard he is trying to.
Thank God for giving us the grace to chose wisely, I hope and pray that God will show mercy on the Devas of TPM who visit this site and enable them to chose The God of the Bible rather than a god of TPM’s imagination.
There is a difference between knowledge and wisdom, I hope our friend Deva, who appears to be knowledgeable, would chose wisely.
Keep batting my good sir, you sound good, but you are in the wrong team.
@ Bro Devaraj
I understand that you have spent your whole life and investment on the best church in the planet.
However the parables of Jesus refers to such as fools.
You have been paying up premiums for something that was meant for you, free of charge.
Do you want to reconsider your eternal future?
I also come here with regrets of a lost future, but then wait… when I consider that there’s an eternity that is not run on the currency of demand and supply, my heart rejoices.
I choose to be vague with you my friend because all your replies here have been very inconsistent.
Tpm needs your patronage much more than ever before.
All the same, I appreciate your civility and neatness in your conversations
God bless
@Devraj
@ //Maybe some other informed TPM members will enter dialog and debate on this site. By this I mean actual TPM members, or even ministers, not the fake believers … like the fake believer Elina/
But no one coming brother. I alone making 1 lakh 44 thousand runs. You know six is number of devil. So we not hit six in tpm. We hit sevens (Six on no ball). The ball has to travel beyond seven stands of perfection.
If no come to my help, and I also get out, then i am worried who will curse and threaten these people? As you know we don’t discuss. We cannot bowl yorker on the stumps and to the point. But we can at least threaten batsmen by sledging. So please send someone. Tell them elina our faithful believer alone in battle. She not giving any chance to fromtpm batsmen to hit four. She throwing wide wide balls. NMSTF frustrated and resign. He telling elina not throwing ball on stump. Like that our policy working.
Please please send our chief pastors who are very busy in corona quarantine. I know they are praying from 3 months for corona to go away. They sent circular so that all believer pray for corona. But even after three month of combined prayers of chief pastors, workers, and all world believers, our prayer seems to have no power to change mind of God.
Regards
Elina
The girl with 144000 wide ball world record.
@Devaraj:
//To the point about me attacking David Paul. What I say is a fact. He published personal and private correspondence with Pastor Michael Thomas.//
//I said your hero David Paul unethically published what I know to be private communications.//
//I would ask you to find out from the USA ministry but I don’t think they would respond to you//
You are only targeting the messenger (David Paul) again and again, and not the message. The point is not whether what David Paul did was ethical or not when he published a private correspondence between him and Michael Thomas. The issue here is the contents (message) of the letter. Even if you call this an unethical act, it does not alter the message of the letter, and the letter still conveys what David Paul wanted to through his booklet – the double standard embraced by this church between their eastern and western branches.
Of course Michael Thomas would not have liked his letter to be made public, as this will expose him of his doublespeak. The intent of David Paul was to expose the doublespeak of Michael Thomas, or in other words, the double standard of this church, and hence publishing this letter was necessary for him. I live in Canada and was part of this church once. I have experienced this double standard first hand and don’t need a confirmation from their USA ministry regarding Michael Thomas’ letter.
In one of your earlier comments regarding Joshua, you said “The topless pastor in a pool looks really stupid. I am glad none of the rest of us have ever had an embarrassing picture taken and be published without our permission!”. While hinting that publishing a picture of topless Joshua without his permission was unacceptable, you still questioned in the same comment “Is there proof Joshua was in a room alone with this divorcee?” If Admin had posted such a picture, you would have cried foul stating this was unethical.
Likewise, if David Paul had not published Michael Thomas’ letter, skeptics like you would have questioned him, if there was any proof for the double standard embraced by this church? David Paul published this letter only to add credibility to his work, and that too, only for his readers in the east. To the rest of the TPM members in USA and Canada, they don’t need this letter, for they know the truth (double standard) firsthand.
To say, the message of this book (To TPM with love) cannot be true because the author is an ex-tpm (or a TPM hater in your language, or he unethically published a letter) is Ad Hominem. If we continue to focus our attention on messengers (David Paul or Michael Thomas) instead of their messages, our arguments will lead us into a circular loop and it will benefit none. Instead, if you are willing, let us debate on TPM specific doctrines which this site claims as unscriptural?
@Devaraj:
//There are moral failures, wrong doctrines, wolves in sheep’s clothing, predators in every fellowship. If we went by this list and acted like the fromTPM supporters are doing, we should try to get everyone out of AOG, Foursquare, Word of Faith, etc. etc. etc. because some of their ministers failed, fell into sin and error, or went off the rails.//
What makes you think that fromTPM is only against TPM and not against other Pentecostal, Charismatic or Word of Faith movements. If you go through the articles on this website, you will understand that fromTPM equally opposes all these false churches that don’t follow the New Testament model prescribed in the Bible. I did not go through your exhaustive list, however, a cursory glance reveals that 99% or more of these churches are guilty of false doctrines or unscriptural practices of one kind or the other.
You will see a wide range of articles on this website, discussing such issues as tithing, tongues, use of titles like pastors, prosperity gospel, etc., etc. These topics apply to any erring church guilty of such unscriptural practices, and just not to TPM alone. Anyone reading the articles on this site without a preconceived notion will understand the heart of its author(s), and will agree that it is a genuine attempt by them to expose wrong doctrines and the wolves in sheep’s clothing, to warn gullible Christians.
It is true that this website focuses exclusively on TPM because the team members behind this website are former adherents of this church, deceived and misled by its erroneous doctrines for a good part of their life. It is their desire and burden, as well as the Lord’s leading, that they should warn their fellow brethren still enslaved in this false church system about the impending danger ahead of them, by exposing the wolves in sheep’s clothing and their unscriptural doctrines/practices.
For lack of resources (mainly time), fromTPM cannot widen their reach to cover every false church. It is my prayer and belief that our Lord will raise a few faithfuls from other fallen churches to warn their respective deceived brethren enslaved in them. If fromTPM were to widen their coverage to include several false churches, their precious resources will be spread thin, making their efforts less efficient. This is what the devil wants, and this is the reason he incites many to question the Admin why he is targeting only TPM and not other churches.
You believe that Alwin’s teachings are heretic, nevertheless you see this getting resurrected in TPM by none other than their Deputy Chief MT Thomas. With your years of experience in TPM, you can do your small part by bringing this aberration to the notice of your clergy and advising them that the church is not doing the right thing in propping up Alwin, who was excommunicated by this very church for his false teachings. But I wonder if such dialoguing is even possible in TPM? When even senior members like you cannot bring about a change to make the TPM fellowship better, shouldn’t you be glad that fromTPM is doing this work? Then why accuse fromTPM of targeting your church?
@ 29 th May ‘2020 at 11 a.m. Eastern Time.
according to Indian Standard Time it is at :7-45 pm today.
The timing in other continents of the world could be matched suitably.
Memorial Livestream May 29: Ravi Zacharias (1946-2020)
The program begins at 11:00 a.m. ET, but join us early at 10:30 a.m. ET for a special retrospective of Ravi’s global influence.
Join us Friday, May 29, for the memorial livestream honoring the life and legacy of Ravi Zacharias. The program begins at 11:00 a.m. ET, but join us early at 10:30 a.m. ET for a special retrospective of Ravi’s global influence.
Tributes to Zacharias will include homages from family and friends, including from Vice President Mike Pence. Mr. Pence visited the Zacharias family at RZIM’s headquarters in Alpharetta on May 22. The two men were longtime friends, and Ravi spoke at the Indiana Leadership Prayer Breakfast in 2014 at the request of the then-governor.
The vice president’s remarks will be one of many honors and tributes to Zacharias during the memorial. Others include remarks from RZIM President Michael Ramsden, athlete and author Tim Tebow, Brooklyn Tabernacle Senior Pastor Jim Cymbala, and Passion Movement Founder Louie Giglio. Musicians leading worship or offering musical tributes include Matt Redman and Lecrae.
Date
Friday, May 29
@NMSTF ” Keep batting my good sir, you sound good, but you are in the wrong team.”‘
Finally with a fearsome pace of the ball from the arm of the fast bowler of the kind of NMSTF,the middle wicket was uprooted and went flying..
Now there arose no need that SAM ALAN to come and bowl some spinners.
The 50 runs man is finally bowled.
@ADMN
@Luther 2020.
At the outset I thank ADMN brother for enabling us to know the latest updates that are taking place in the CULT system
I would also like to thank brother Luther 2020,for posting the financial balance statement of NCPC-Australia.This is akin to statement of NTC of N. America & Canada sometime in the past by dear brother ABAS. some time ago in the past.
Apart the balance sheet details, the important messages found in the GOVERNING DOCUMENT -29 th May,2014.are really to be noted with care.
The governing document was dated as 29th MAy 2014 That shows it is a SIX years old doc
After I downloaded it I found to my surprise the header says…COPY OF THE AMENDED RULES –Constitution and Memorandum of the New Covenant Pentecostal Church.
The GOV.DOC has 7 ARTICLES
ARTCLE 1—Tenets of the faith — 10 clauses.ARTCLE 2—PURPOSE& FUNCTIONS —-13 clauses ARTCLE 3–EXCLUSIONS—-1,2,,3,4,5 items,ARTCLE 4–Membership—-7 clauses,
ARTCLE 5–Ministry——4 clauses,ARTCLE 6–Affiliation,ARTCLE 7–Government—-18 clauses.
It surprises me havinng gone through the document how come the AUSTRALIAN COUSIN of this CULT, could boldly attempt to bring certain proposals like Radio & T.V be included in their future ministry, that none other cousins like SINGAPORE,MALAYSIA , or for that matter AFRICA did not dare to attempt!
Shall we have to define the faith life of this CULT that it varies from region to region, and it varies because of the cultural ethos of that particular region are different from the other region?
Wow hats off to the new theology of this CULT.
This AUSTRALIAN COUSIN is not satisfied with that.:It is ready to tow the line of U.S.A & Canada model by invoking their custom of taking the married couples in their ministry
Also Radio,& Television would form its agenda too –Oh what a strange news!.
Here is the following data collected from the GOVERNING DOCUMENT.( I ‘ve only selected a few
may be if ADMN takes it up in the form of an ARTICLE ,more llght could be shed into it.)
ART 2 & ART 5 drew my particular attention that is written their GOVERNING DOC….PROPOSED RULES OF THE NCPC-PREAMBLE
ARTCLE 2–clause 10 says
QUOTE”
To fulful the GREAT COMMISSION ( to preach the Gospel to the whole world and make disciples) by any and all legitimate means, including publlc and private meetings, personal and mass evangelism,in houses,schools,hospitals,jails,open air and wherever and by radio,television printing and distribution.” UNQUOTE
Wow what a great leap frog stand from their original stand of making the believers into perfect state!
Normally, GREAT COMMISSIONN was not their traditional agenda.
Radio,& Television is another interesting item found in their agenda too –
-Oh what a strange news!.
Here is one more startling proposal found in the GOVERNING DOCUMENT.
ARTCLE 5 –clause 3 says ” It is expected that those who are ordained to the full time ministry, will be abide in the same calling wherein he was called( 1 Cor 7:17,24,27)No minister of this church shall be allowed to divorce or remarry( Matthew 19:9-12)
So looking at these developments, shall we have to construe that those above proposals made in the Six year old Governing Document might have been come into force.?
Only ADMN brother could clarify those proposed changes whether they have already incorporated and have come into force.
May be these NCPC proposals could reach to the reader community in the form of an episode in the coming months.
This Website is an Eye Opener!!!
Congratz Richie u finally escaped the CULT!!!
This is my first time to this website…
Great Effort by this team to EXPOSE the CULT Group
Devaraj can you answer me please. Tpm white eating biriyani and living a life without hesitation and control. Devaraj your white dress TPM doesn’t earn money on their own. Devaraj your TPM white dress live on others money. ……….
Dear John,
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Wherever I go in my daily life. I used to search for the white clad TPM pastors and sisters. I am planning to shout in the public to put them in shame on common places. If time allows to slap them in slippers. I am not a passive person to tolerate the shame and injustice. After all I am a human being. With sicknesses in my physique.
Hello all,
Good news! Lockdown lifted. Now we can attend church from June 8. BAN from seeing our saints faces government lifting soon. god saying to TPM people ” look I was angry with you… but for small moment only!” With great mercies I will make you return back to my saints. (Is a 54:7). ”
One brother planning to preaching this verse on first Sunday after lockdown.. As soon has he preach this, I will begin to clap hands and start shaking.
Many believers also planning to give testimony. They will cry and say how much they missed fellowship of saints. I also feeling excited, that once again I get chance to sleep in brothers preaching time. Good sleep we get at that time.
I will also get to eat faith home food, once again, after Sunday meeting. Very blessed food it is. Simple food only. Not much mutton chicken egg like in pastors tray. But very healing properties it have.
Such blessed experience we are waiting to get once again.
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This is what happens every-time with or without break..
Are you saying for real or joking? Sarcasm? or the above is true?
It was a sarcasm !
@ Richie
“one day after a special service in the faith home, my spouse informed me that She was filled in the Holy Spirit and she could hear a clear voice to FLEE from this den of thieves. That day I knew, finally, God has spoken”
IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE, WHY DID NOT HE SPEAK TO YOU EARLIER?? SOME ARE IN THIS FOR NEARLY 30 or 40 YEARS; HAVING RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST, IS HE NOT THE ONE WHO TEACHES US? THEN HOW WILL HE LEAVE YOU DECEIVED?? YOU SIMPLY CAN’T SAY THERE IS A TIME FOR EVERYTHING. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. BUT HE IS NOT THE ONE WHO WANTS YOU TO HAVE FELLOWSHIP IN THE WRONG CHURCH FOR YEARS. AND THERE ARE MANY HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZED PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH, HOW THEN WILL HE LEAD ALL OF THEM TO THE WRONG PLACE?? NO CHANCE…
HE DOES ALL THINGS RIGHT. DOESN’T HE? IF IT IS HE HAS TOLD YOUR FAMILY TO GET OUT NOW, THEN I AM SURE HE WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY MADE YOU COME OUT LONG BEFORE OR MORE APPROPRIATELY HE WOULD NEVER HAVE LED YOU TO A WRONG PLACE.
SO IF HE HAS BROUGHT YOU TO THIS CHURCH AND KEPT YOU HERE, THEN HE WILL PRESERVE YOU TILL THE END BY FULFILLING HIS WILL. ITS HUMAN DISOBEDIENCE AND HUMAN’S OWN WILL THAT DRIVES YOU OUT OF GOD’S PLAN.
JUST LIKE iT IS SAID in ECCLESIASTES 7:29, “they have gone in search of many schemes” YOU PEOPLE HAVE GONE IN TO SEARCH WAYS THAT BEST SUITS YOUR LIFE.
I AM NOT HERE TO SUPPORT TPM. I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
KINDLY REPLY.
@I want to know the truth
Richie will reply, but I have my question to you.
If you are asking Richie why didn’t holy spirit reveal it many tpm believers to leave tpm, let me ask you this. It is wriitten clearly in I Corinthians, that speaking in tongues together in congregation is forbidden.
1 Corinthians 14:27-28
27. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
My question is, why didn’t Holy Spirit remind you or even guide you to read and obey commandments of scripture?
Why doesn’t Holy Spirit tell you that tpm is disobeying Christ by calling pastor Appachen. It is clear that Jesus commanded, “Do not call any man Father on Earth.” Still we find Catholics and tpm making people call their priests as father & appachen. So why is Holy Spirit not correcting Chief pastor’s, workers and believers?
Tell me why does not, Holy Ghost tell you people that there should not be ranking among workers. Jesus clearly said, that this is manner of gentiles to have greater and lesser among themselves. But so should not be among you. You are brothers.
Why doesn’t Holy ghost correct you.?
The problem is that you people have put fingers in your ears. You don’t want Correction. You refuse to amend ways and come to right path. Maybe God has left tpm to perish because they recieve not truth.
Do you remember the 400 prophets and Micah incident, when Ahab asked prophets whether they should go to Ramaoth Gilead to battle? Tell me why did God made lying spirit to deceive King Ahab ? 400 people lied but only one spoke the truth.
@ I want to know truth
@//SO IF HE HAS BROUGHT YOU TO THIS CHURCH AND KEPT YOU HERE, THEN HE WILL PRESERVE YOU TILL THE END BY FULFILLING HIS WILL. ITS HUMAN DISOBEDIENCE AND HUMAN’S OWN WILL THAT DRIVES YOU OUT OF GOD’S PLAN.//
God who had chosen Paul had made him student and disciple of Pharisees for many years. If he had lead him to be Pharisees why did he guide him out? Of course there must be reason in leading Paul into error and then out of it, so that he can identify the cancerous tumour.
@ Nath
one cannot say that God takes his people to wrong places like he did to paul just to make them understand the errors thereof. because all churches have problems which means he has to take everyone to all churches to undestand those problems.. that doesnt make sense sir.
@areyouright
Gal 3:23-25 But BEFORE faith came, we were KEPT under the law, shut up unto the faith, which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
I hope the verse above is clear that God had kept people under the law, before bringing them to Christ. Law could not save them. God knew it (Deu 5:29)! Yet he kept them under the law. Sometimes (he makes us leaglist) to make us understand the inability of laws and rules to save us.
Read also, Ezekiel 20:25-26
@I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
I am more than glad you asked this question.
Well to start with TPM does fascinate, to add to it people of TPM are so motivating saying the truth and deep doctrine comes from the pulpit of TPM. I am Richie’s wife. Since I had the conviction to leave TPM, I think I should answer directly.
Before, I start my reply I would like to ask the following questions to which I hope you will also reply.
1. Why did God have to wait for thousands of years since man sinned to send a Saviour? Why did he not send him earlier?
2. Why Peter disowned the Lord three times even though Jesus Himself had warned him that He will disown Jesus before the cock crows ? Peter was with the Lord all the time and he was there everywhere where Jesus went and the Lord even chose him to go to the mount of transfiguration.
3. In Matt 18:12 we see that one of the sheep wandered away and the shepherd went after that sheep. As per your question, I understand that once the sheep is with the shepherd they can never be lost. Now, what did the Good shepherd do to find the sheep? Shepherds always shout out calling for the sheep and his sheep hears the voice and knows that it belongs to the shepherd. This is what we see in John 10:27 (My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me). Answer me how did the sheep slip out of the shepherd’s flock in the first place?
Now coming to the response you asked Richie,
First of all I was born in a TPM family and the God who has known me from my mother’s womb will not make a mistake. I went to further studies and since there was no TPM worship in the town, I wasn’t attending TPM. I can tell with a true conscience that I walked closely with my Lord. The Lord was gracious and I got married in a non-TPM family (which was an arranged marriage). All the years, deep inside I was a TPM believer. I wanted to go back to TPM. I can say that no church (a congregation of people under a brick and mortar building) is perfect and there were some occurrences and infighting within the church to which we were repelled. I thought all this is never heard of in TPM. I wanted to go back to TPM. We were open to the idea that if such a utopian fellowship as TPM exists we should be part of TPM. We as a family started attending TPM worship as my husband also wanted to be. Things were good in the beginning. Not questioning the elders thinking this is a one-off incident, even though we saw weird doctrines but they tactfully cover it up with so many irrelevant verses and that too so fast that you only jot down verses upon verses and close the 2 and a half hr speech. I even tried to clear my doubts with fellow believers and then with the brother too. He dumped on me more irrelevant verses. I was in a spiritual struggle in my life. Struggling to be with my Jesus but I am not finding the peace I should in TPM. That day I was pouring my heart to God and as Jacob pleaded, I too said I won’t leave you till you don’t talk to me. If you want to, believe me, you may believe else you have your free will not too. I saw “GO” 3 times and again I cried to Lord and asked how I will do it when all my loved ones are here and the believers are not wrong. That is when I heard this is a den of robbers and thieves, a very stiff-necked people. Well after all this also I kept quiet with the same doubt which you had. I stayed on for more than a year when I finally said God you make way that I may come out. He did make a way , there were some occurrences and He did make a way perfect and beautiful. A PERFECT EXIT PATH AND I KNEW THIS WAS FROM THE LORD. I have no complaints against any SOG, or elder, sister or mother. They were personally very good to us. We stood up to tell them we do not agree to the doctrines which you can read in the testimony.
To answer your question why did Holy Spirit take us to TPM. I am more than glad to be a part of TPM cause I learnt I have a free will which can actually override what God wants me to do. I learnt to be able to judge myself on every step we take and not blindly believe every word that is told to you. Secondly, I and my husband were under the doubt (before joining TPM) that are we missing something by not being part of a glorious ministry. The Lord took us through a first-hand visit in and out of TPM so that we could live peacefully without any regrets.
Brother no church is perfect. By church, I mean the building and the group that we call church. The problem starts when we become a fanatic for an organization. We have become churchgoers and somehow have started to believe and were also made to believe that the organization is the way to salvation. We have become “CHURCH GOERS”. We want to be identified by an organization.
If I tell you I am not here sharing the testimony to scheme against TPM maybe you won’t believe me.
I am waiting for the replies to the questions I asked at the beginning of the comment.
@ In Christ Alone
ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS:
“3. In Matt 18:12 we see that one of the sheep wandered away and the shepherd went after that sheep. As per your question, I understand that once the sheep is with the shepherd they can never be lost. Now, what did the Good shepherd do to find the sheep? Shepherds always shout out calling for the sheep and his sheep hears the voice and knows that it belongs to the shepherd. This is what we see in John 10:27 (My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me). Answer me how did the sheep slip out of the shepherd’s flock in the first place?”
ANSWER:
AS PER YOUR QUESTION COMPARING WITH THE PARABLE, THE ANALOGY SHOULD GO LIKE THIS, SHEEP=BELIEVERS, SHEPEHERD=HOLY SPIRIT.
FIRST, IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A BELIEVER TO BE IN THE CHURCH; HE SHOULD BE CLOSE WITH GOD, ONLY THEN HE CAN HEAR HIS VOICE AND UNDERSTAND HIM. YOU MAY HAVE EXPERIENCED IT, I GUESS. LIKEWISE, IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE SHEEP TO BE ONE AMONG THE FLOCK; IT SHOULD BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE SHEPHERD, ONLY THEN IT CAN HEAR HIM.
SECONDLY, YOU HAVE QUOTED “John 10:27 (My sheep listen to my voice.. they follow me).” TO FOLLOW THE SHEPHERD, FIRST YOU HAVE TO HEAR HIM, LISTEN TO HIM, THEN FOLLOW HIM SO THAT YOU WON’T BE MISSED AND REACH THE RIGHT DESTINATION WITH HIM.
IF YOU DONT DO THE ABOVE, YOU WILL BE MISSED. I GUESS YOU WOULD BY NOW KNOW WHY THE SHEEP SLIPPED OUT OF THE FLOCK.
AND SIMILARLY, IF BELIEVERS ARE NOT IN CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, THEY MAY NOT HEAR THE VOICE OF THE GOOD SHEPHERD AND MAY LOSE THEIR WAY.
I WILL ANSWER THE REST, WHEN I GET TIME. THANK YOU.
@ NATH
I DIDN’T FIND MUCH RELEVANCE TO MY QUESTIONS TO YOURS. MY QUESTION IS “HE IS NOT THE ONE WHO WANTS YOU TO HAVE FELLOWSHIP IN THE WRONG CHURCH FOR YEARS. AND THERE ARE MANY HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZED PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH, HOW THEN WILL HE LEAD ALL OF THEM TO THE WRONG PLACE?? HE DOES ALL THINGS RIGHT. DOESN’T HE? THEN I AM SURE HE WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY MADE YOU COME OUT LONG BEFORE OR MORE APPROPRIATELY HE WOULD NEVER HAVE LED YOU TO A WRONG PLACE.”
COULD YOU PLEASE ELABORATE?? THANK YOU.
THEN I WILL ANSWER YOU LATER.
@ I want to know the truth
There are few possibilities. Obviously we are making guesses (both you and me) based on our rationale.
*First is that the we do not know if all men in TPM recieved the right Holy Spirit. If it is really the right Holy Spirit, then my questio is “why doesnt that Holy Spirit correct TPM with regards to I Corinthians and other scriptures i mentioned, which TPM violates by their tradiotion and silly excuses.” There is so much of correction needed (as website articles mentions) but the so called Holy Spirit in TPM is silent! My question is why is it so? My deducion is that all this starts with fault of people that they are not ready for God. They seek blessings of God more than him. They actually dont want God but other things. So he may have left them to delusional Spirit, that acts like Holy Spirit. That is why it is possible that the Spirit in TPM is not the Holy Spirit. Please read some of the articles on this website that raise rserious question of Spirit workin in TPM.
*Secondly, people inside TPM, who may have recievd the right Holy Spirit, may not be listening to the voice of the Spirit. They may have bene blinded by gods of TPM. Spirit of God may be working in them to bring them out. He may also bring many out at right time, as HE decides. God sometimes (it is not always and for everyone) puts us through leaglist ways to teaches us to identify inability of wrong paths, so that we may become helpful to others in identifying the exact cancerous tumor. We can see this is life of Paul. God had known Paul from his mother womb. He was in same israel when Jesus and his apostles were minsitering. Bot untill death of Jesus and untill martyrdom of Stephen, God had allowed him to remain blind! He was Pharisee untill that time. Even though he was chosen from mother womb, yet hewas allowed to persecuted Christains. God had purpose and time for him. He was being led to understand the pharisee sect deeply. Peter on the other hand was not led by soevereign God to study nitty gritties of Pharisee sect. Peter was made to be simple fisher man who was witness of works of Jesus. So we find that it was Paul who corrected Peter when Pharisees came to pervert Christainity in Acts 15. Thus we can observe that God was preparing Paul, so that he could identify the errors of getting back to law after accepting Jesus, which Peter could not identify (Gal 2:11).
In case of richie, we know he was non TPMer. His wife was born to TPM parents. It was not her fault. Maybe God used Richie to take him inside to pull his wife outside this cult. At right time God spoke to his wife to get out. Just like at the right time God spoke to Paul in his ears to stop following Pharisees sect , and yet other Jews were made to still be Jews, some of whom Paul brought to Christianity later and others were probably never brought to truth untill he turned to Gentiles.
Hey @I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH,
Sister In Christ Alone has replied well.
I will add my two cents to it.
God has planted you in which ever fellowship with great expectations that you grow upto his stature. Now here comes your BIG part to either stay happy like the man with one talent and get thrown to outer darkness OR be the man with five talents, trade it & double it and enter into the joy of the Lord.
Make no mistake, TPM is one of those cults where you will be encouraged to bury your one talent and stay content for rest of your life.
Like I’ve mentioned before, It all depends on how much you are willing to trade here and pay the price.
You or your previous generation may have started their spiritual Journey with TPM. But you have all the scriptures in front of you to grow and move on. DON’T BLAME GOD.
You should be thankful to the Providence of God for atleast introducing you all to the scriptures and the His great Family. Now it is upto you to learn the ropes and grow on. THIS FORTUNATELY, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO.
I’ll leave you with a good illustration from Zac on this issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Df4R1NhPs
Because of that bad seed that satan casted in to there minds they became developed narcissistic personality and who ever joined them also develop these dangerous personality especially those who are evil men inside… It’s almost incurable narcissism..
I am from Sri Lanka. In the late 1980s, I was working in Bangalore, India. I was saved there in 1987. I started going to a Pentecostal church nearby. I received baptism and anointing of the Holy Spirit. I had a friend who was going to TPM and he wanted me to come there. But I had no interest as it was a little far away. Then in June 1988, God spoke to me twice regarding this. First in my dream, I heard the direction where TPM church is and I heard a voice that go to this fellowship for I will be with you and guide you. But I just ignored this dream after I woke up. In the next month, I met with an accident, then when I prayed God, He told this is your last chance, if you delay any more you will suffer more. Go and join the apostolic doctrine of TPM. So I joined there since then I am happy and blessed and God has blessed me with a good family and I am grateful to God.
If so then how can you say that the God never guides to TPM and in TPM there is no Holy Spirit but deceptive evil spirit and wrong doctrines. Is that is true, I am sure God will not tell me to join this.
So you are wrong Admin and Team…
What makes you think the dream you got was from God?
Your God seems to be a Rowdy who will take your life if you do not go to the cult. That is how satan works.
Need I say more about who your God is?
Hey this is BLASPHEMY. How dare you say that God is a rowdy?
There are so many testimonies like this not just of TPM goers but in many others’ lives God has given a lifeline and a last opportunity to return to Him to the right place and be saved.
If God’s words doesn’t with your skeptic mind, then why make cheap comments??
Well, it’s your own testimony that God brought accident upon you and forced you to Join TPM..Is not that how Rowdys do?
Why are you mad at me? I highlighted exactly what you said.
You commented as follows
“I met with an accident, then when I prayed God, He told this is your last chance, if you delay any more you will suffer more”
My God opens free salvation and does not force anybody to join a club/Cult called TPM. Your God sound eerily similar to the Allah of Islam.
@Joseph Kapugedrana
@// God spoke to me twice regarding this. First in my dream, I heard the direction where TPM church is and I heard a voice that go to this fellowship for I will be with you and guide you. //
Brother you right. Don’t argue with these people. They don’t know truth. One of my hindu friends father father triple father, recieved one dream. His hindu god showed him hell. It true vision. Then that grand grand uncle wrote his vision in book. The book became very famous. It called garuda puran. Everyone can search about the vision my friends super grand appachen saw.
All dream vision true. No false dream vision seen by anyone on earth. We should believe every dream and vision. We should not test it. Like that we should live. I like your spiritual discerning..
@ Joseph Kapugedrana:
// Hey this is BLASPHEMY. How dare you say that God is a rowdy?//
Relax brother, don’t get emotional so soon. You have just entered this forum and soon you will begin to feel the heat of the debate on this forum (if you continue on this forum). Many TPMites enter this war zone brandishing their swords, only to make a hasty retreat unable to face the onslaught. I hope you will stay longer to understand the truth.
Admin did not say that the God of the Bible is a rowdy. He only stated that “your god” seems to be a rowdy. The God of the Bible never threatens or intimidates a person to accept him or direct him to the next steps in his spiritual journey.
2 Corinthians 4:4 says: “Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe (New Living Translation). Here, the “god” referred is Satan, and that’s what the Admin meant.
We generally use the term “demon-possessed” to indicate a person who is under the influence of the devil. We never say “Jesus possessed” to identify a Christian whose life is influenced by Christ. That is because, the devil forcibly enters a person with subtle threats or intimidation of accidents, financial loss, death, etc., whereas, Jesus comes into a person’s life only by invitation. Jesus says in Revelation 3:20: ”Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me” (NIV). Unless you open the door of your life, Jesus will never force His way in.
It appears you have not understood this elementary truth of the Bible, and if that be so, how can you say for sure that it was the God of the Bible that told you to “Go and join the apostolic doctrine of TPM”? Apostolic doctrines (or higher truths) are only for people who have cleared the elementary level. God of the Bible would have directed you to any Evangelical church first to make you understand the elementary doctrine of salvation before directing you to another church for Apostolic doctrines. There is something fishy about the god who spoke to you, and that’s why Admin mentioned “Your God seems to be a Rowdy”.
Please don’t heed any voice or spirit that speaks to you, but test them against the Word of God to check if it is true. 1 John 4:1 NIV: “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world”.
How do you check them? That’s why the God of the Bible has directed you to this website. You can check on this site whether the so-called Apostolic doctrines of TPM are scriptural by reading the many articles here. If you have any questions on them, Admin or any of the commentators on this forum will answer/clarify your doubts. Please post your questions on doctrines published on this website, you have nothing to lose but an eternity to gain.
I know many in other Christian denominations as well as in other religions who have claimed to have heard a voice or seen a vision from God as the reason for their joining a particular denomination or religion. An example would be Tamil cinema music director Yuvan Shankar Raja (son of famous music director Ilayaraja) who had converted from Hinduism to Islam narrating his conversion experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM90BlwgV3c. There is a former Pentecostal man in our neighborhood who has recently converted to Hinduism on seeing a vision. Would you deny their experiences? Please don’t rely on visions or experiences alone. Devil uses these tools to draw away people from the truth. Always test them with the Word of God to check their authenticity.
@Joseph Kapugedrana….”Then in June 1988, God spoke to me twice regarding this. First in my dream, I heard the direction where TPM church is and I heard a voice that go to this fellowship for I will be with you and guide you. But I just ignored this dream after I woke up. In the next month, I met with an accident, then when I prayed God, He told this is your last chance, if you delay any more you will suffer more. Go and join the apostolic doctrine of TPM”
Your mail gives a perplexing story.When I read it,God gave me a parable in conjunction to it said in Matthew 13:25-30:(all the FIVE verses). It is a mirror image of your experience that you described. There during the night Satan came and replaced the ORIGINAL seeds.. during the night his enemy comes, and over the first seed he sows darnel among the originals.then went away.
God created us with the FREE WILL to be exercised in our lives brother.
Success comes when we exercise our FREE WILL according to the WILL of God. But consider what the Bible talks to us.
“There is a way that SEEMS right to a man. But its end is the way of death.”(Proverbs 14:12)
Same words are repeated in 16:25 for our warning again.
Also the Bible says,”Remove not the ancient landmark which your fathers have set”(Proverbs 22:28)
Same words are reiterated in 23:10.Do you know why? Scripture words are confirmed by the Scripture itself. So it is upto you to exercise your FREE WILL having come to this site which shows you the correct WILL of God when one goes through all its well written articles.You will surely identify what are the wheat and what are the tares!You are indeed fortunate to visit this site.God bless you brother.
Then your concluding part of your story looks quite unclear to me.
“Is that is true, I am sure God will not tell me to join this.So you are wrong Admin and Team…”
I am sorry I could not get you what you meant here.Could you elaborate further?
There already 419 articles are there in this site. Can you please tell me where ADMN and Team sowed the wrong seeds,and if so can you support your claims by the Scripture portions(verses) instead of giving the blank statement in your concluding part.?
Hello to all. Your words are true. But remember people change when they have no choice. Even some pastors and elders behind money and fame. But some true and very good saints I know. In my life time I see only two pastors good out of many. Every persons has inside animals no one know not gonna see that. Even you and I. Every sins numbered not his OURS Remember. Every church has faults. I went many churches. But I studied dont believe anybody take good from one person cast bad or forget it. Look unto Jesus ONLY. Go in His Paths.
God will Judge. So we dont need to take any weapons.
Hebrews 12.2 (KJV)
looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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John why can’t you look to Jesus in another fellowship other than tpm?