Let it be known to the readers that Joshua is a product of The Pentecostal Mission and he is not to be entirely blamed for the mess that we see in Singapore/Indonesia. As far as God is concerned, the rest of the White-clads in the faith homes are on the same shelf. All are imposters and hypocrites. Let us analyse the issues faced by these TPM Ministers and the cause for their embarrassing situation.
The TPM Clergy have somehow come to believe that an OVERCOMING LIFE is all about “NOT DOING SEX”. This kind of thought is reinforced by their twisted doctrine of Rev 14. Is that what God Expects from Us? We have testimonies about many people who have testified of centre pastors who have lived promiscuous life. We also know of so-called TPM Saints who lived dirty lives and have gone to become Chief Pastors in TPM. However, people think these Charlatans ENTER GLORY upon their death. Nothing can be farther from the truth. The so-called Faith Home environment is a breeding ground for immorality. Therefore, it should not be a surprise that there are so many cases of sexual immorality within the system. You should be brain-dead to think that these people are SAINTS.
Once a person’s deed becomes known to the public, they do not expel that person. They pull out a rabbit from their magic hat. That Rabbit is called the TRANSFER rabbit. The primary reason is that the one who is supposed expel is also neck-deep in the same deed. So how can one Satan cast out another?
If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
Matt 12:26
If you are thinking that the leaders of this Cult are going to expel Joshua, Gunaseelan, Sunny, Younis Masih, Ramesh etc, you are living in some dreamland. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. They would rather transfer the culprit to another place to start their new lives. After a few years, you come to hear that the Saint has Entered Glory and has become a Stone in Zion. Eulogies like “A Loss for us but a great Gain for Zion” will be echoed within the cult corridors and the magazines will carry out testimonies about the great work of the Saint in different parts of the World. If need be, the believers will be made to chant “Praise the Lords” for the work accomplished in the life of the Saint.
The TPM Understanding of the Church of God
According to TPM Doctrines, the Church of God is divided into two sections
- Servants of God a.k.a Apostles/Saints etc
- Believers
The Structure
According to TPM, The ones in the SERVANT OF GOD Category are supposed to join THE PENTECOSTAL MISSION as Full-Time workers and live in their Faith Homes. A Typical faith home is a Mansion where an unmarried Man and Few unmarried and unrelated woman stay under the same roof. The women folks are supposed to be assisting the Man in different aspects of his so-called ministry. They claim to be living a celibate life which we all know is NOT TRUE. These people typically do not do any work other than conduct meetings where they will perform before the crowd of believers and impress upon them their divine calling. They show themselves to be a group superior to the Believers. The Believers are supposed to attend all their meetings and obey all their commands. They are also supposed to financially support these SERVANTS OF GOD by donating at least 10% of their income.
Core Belief
The group believes that these SERVANTS OF GOD a.k.a APOSTLES are anointed to make them PERFECT as they are VIRGINS/EUNUCHS etc and has joined the TPM Ministry. There is an underlying belief that the TPM SOGs have a direct connection with God, which the believers lack. TPM SERVANTS OF GOD and Believers also believe that they will form the cream of God’s kingdom in eternity. Their Ministers will sit closer to God at Zion, whereas their Believers will Sit aside farther at New Jerusalem. They believe that the members of other churches will be sitting farther from God at a place called New Earth. The Old Testament Stalwarts will sit somewhere midway between their believers and the Other Church believers in Eternity.
Most of the sermons in their meetings are aimed to portray the superiority of the SOGs and how the believers should be abiding within the dictates of the SOGs.If you deviate from that, you will not be Caught up in the Coming of the Lord. This website deals with a plethora of doctrines unleashed by THE PENTECOSTAL MISSION on their believers.
With my little knowledge of the New Testament, I am not able to find even ONE REFERENCE to substantiate the above lifestyle and beliefs of THE PENTECOSTAL MISSION. I request the readers who are TPM Fanatics to try to help me with appropriate scriptural references.
The Celibacy Trap
We know that Celibacy is the MAIN Trump Card that TPM has used to fool their believers. If there was no Institutional Celibacy, the whole organization will fall like a pack of cards. They will become another club. Now for the Institutional Celibacy to work and enforce it, they have to do some scriptural twist. Click here to read one of that. This is about another scriptural twist of celibacy.
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others–and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Matt 19:12
The context of the above portion is about Marriage and Divorce. In the discussion, Jesus is letting them know that there are some people who have a gift to be living without a wife/husband. Let us note a few points to expose the fallacy of the TPM Doctrine.
- It does not say anywhere that we cannot be serving him if we are Married.
- Neither does it say an unmarried person like that is in any way superior to the married person in the Kingdom of God.
- It simply states a fact that some people can remain unmarried for the sake of the Kingdom of God.
- It does not say that such people need to stay with people of the opposite sex under the same roof to have an overcoming life or whatever (The Faith Home Environment).
- It does not say that such a person cannot be a co-worker for Christ’s kingdom along with a married person.
- It does not say that such a person should not work for his sustenance but be taking tithe money from others.
- It does not say that such a person can become a Bishop/Overseer of a local assembly without fulfilling the necessary criteria.
- It does not say that such a person will be specially rewarded for his/her Unmarried ministry.
- The tone of the message even does not tell us that this is a Sacrifice as is made out to be in TPM.
- If the Life of Paul is to be taken as an example of this kind of calling, its best fit for a travelling missionary who is self-sustaining. The unbiblical Faith home life is a total misfit and an insult to the intent of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
What TPM has done with this scripture portion is that THEY HAVE MADE A MOUNTAIN OF A MOLE HILL.
The Twist becoming the Leash
In the process to establish their cult, they took scripture portions like this and twisted it unnecessarily to an extent where this molehill became a leash on themselves(like that of the dog in the feature image). The TPM Ministers are put in a high pedestal of the molehill. However, they did not realize that they have put up people on the molehill who do not have that kind of gift to be a Eunuch. Now with Female partners all around them tempting, the beast within them becomes uncontrollable. Every time, they get into such a situation, they become like the white dog in the Feature photo of this article. With Raging hormones within them in an environment which breeds immorality, you cannot but wonder the deception of the Devil.
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 THEY FORBID PEOPLE TO MARRY …….
1 Tim 4:1-3
Now consider our playboy Joshua and the likes within this cult. They could have been married and lived a normal life. However, He is stuck with this doctrine of the demons which FORBIDS MARRIAGE. He Promises the woman to marry her, but at the same time, the Zion calling also persists. What is he supposed to do? He is caught between the devil and the deep sea. THIS IS THE MESS FACED BY ALL TPM MINISTERS. They do not have that Eunuch’s Calling, but they are pretending as if they have it. They are fighting against their raging hormones trying to prove that they are OVERCOMERS. STOP THE ACTING. BE NORMAL. Read 1 Cor 7:9.
Acknowledgement by the Eunuch
This is a humble acknowledgement by Joshua that he is NOT PERFECT. Hence cannot make others perfect as claimed by the cult. Why tear him apart with your Stupid Doctrine and make him do all these wicked things? Aren’t you the other clergy also guilty of the same?
Conclusion
Such immoral things happen frequently within the ZION group and victims are silenced. Joshua somehow extended his domain to New Jerusalem and that went Kaput. Therefore, Excommunicating Joshua may serve some kind of justice for his deeds. However, that alone will not do any good to the people in TPM. They will keep thinking that the bad fruit is thrown out not knowing that the entire tree is the cause for the bad fruit. The Whole tree needs to be hewn down and be burned.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Matt 7:18
The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matt 3:10
If you are desirous to save yourself from the situation, get out of this cult with the prayer that you surrender this evil tree to be cut down and thrown to fire.
Matt 19:12
This is the famous verse TPM quotes to control the believers. The moment I left TPM this verse came to my mind and I was scared. Then I got the explanation that Jesus has never mentioned the superiority of unmarried over married. 1 Corinthians 9:5 also tells all apostles were married.
The below article link gives some more TPM criteria for ministry. Just have a read
https://www.stas-afke.com/blog/2018/07/28/qualification-for-ministry/Thank you admin for boldly bringing out doctrinal twists of TPM and also the atrocities.
After reading the first article I called the church in Singapore and asked them about the news happening with Joshua and their reply was “The woman is a depression lady”. But after reading a few articles I realize now the depressed person is Joshua and ammachi Sharon.
Joshua, you are depressed because you can’t go to Indonesia to meet your hidden wife because of the lockdown.
Ammachi Sharon, you are depressed because you like to cover many sins and now you are shocked because the truth about you has come out.
Now I know why ammachi Sharon many times like to use the word “depression” on people.
Hi, 👌👌 we too got the same reply from them @ believers.
Joshua very much missing his hidden Wife “ Mother’s Day” coming… Wow he missed his Wife voice. Please ask victim to call Joshua to talk to him. Many believers regretting to know Joshua and dedicate the children in his hand.
You guys send all this proof to chiefs personal mail.
Heard Joshua still collecting the tithes from SOG and instructing then to what to do.. All are amazing why he didn’t feel any guilty still siting in his luxary room.
Ammachi is sad for her doings, but still supporting Joshua and feeding him what he need to get stamina..
God please show these people what they did.
Rgs
Anonymous
I am surprised about what has depression got to do with Joshua’s deeds. Is that How TPM does divine healing for depressed people? I have been in communication with the woman for over a month now. I have not found any signs of depression in her. Do these charlatans have a doctor’s certificate to prove it or was is Sharon Ammachi’s Diagnosis?
What all kinds of lies these people propagate to further their cause? In fact, it makes us push in more evidence.
Let’s accept that she has a depression for argument sake. How does that Justify Joshua? She having depression or diabetes does not justify Joshua…But fools in this cult will believe that nonsense.
Well, it is even worser to use a sick unwell person for his gratification.
Sayyang should pray for her healing instead
Holidaying with her. 🤮
Hi, Promise of marriage….
This only to get victim to satisfy Joshua lustily desires. You guys calculate from year 1985 to 2020 how many women Joshua might be married and divorced and married..😩😩😁😁. Never believe Joshua promise, he always lie and Father of Lier.. he is a man with sweet talk & know how to trap and bring into his cage.
When we come to know we start to avoiding him, but some trapped inhis cage…
Believers stand together and fight for truth we learned from Bible.
Rgs
Anonymous
Some where in march 2020 we came to know Joshua was very ill for almost 2 weeks. Could be a warning from God for him to repent.
Joshua how will you and ammachi Sharon answer to God when your time is up?
celibacy is not the problem as Jesus & Paul had mentioned in the respective bible verses but “institutionalizing” it, that’s what makes it “doctrine of devils”. If someone wants to do ministry without getting married & that is his/her wish or calling, then yes by all means, but as brother admin has mentioned when a group of unmarried people stays together under one roof, then it will be chaos, hormones raging & unwarranted desires arising from the flesh. That is why they have problems in the catholic priesthood too, seminaries & monastries around the world when we hear cases of abuses. George Pell, former bishop of Australia, Kerala, Bishop Franco e.t.c..
1 and a half months of lock down. By Now Disgusting man MT would have reassured many times in many meetings and conventions the blind laity that ‘ There is no other ministry like this and the laity are blessed to be part of this’ and the laity would have been filled.
All the damage control mode Buttons are now inactive.
Truly Perilous times.
John Good afternoon all. I like to remind everyone reading this forum to thank the admin of this website. The admin of this site have saved so many innocent souls. I like to mention him a “Super Hero’. His work is commendable. If this website is not available in my views. I could have got cheated terribly and left pathetically today. Because of this I am able kick the cheating cpm church members out of my reach. I am a south Indian. So I am always ultimate. Nowadays I am free in mind. Able to be free in my activities. I realise cpm false preachings tied my life, sometimes unable to breathe properly felt like Corona patient. Now I am free to breathe. Even after so many evidence against the evil doings of cult cpm. Still cpm unable to accept the mistakes. Cpm still saying evidence are fabricated. Cpm pastors dont you feel shame and shy for saying yourselves pastor, brother, sister….I give advice to the cpm church pastors and sisters go get married and live a good life. Dont act like so holy for the outside world. We people have seen your dirty samples.
I repect the dinakarans and other looters for some of thr ground work..
But these tpm cpm frauds and its slaves get zero respect.
Very excellent article admin, this is the main point where they try to attract the beleivers. Thank you for those 10 points. Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
I once had a hard discussion with a senior Pastor who was trying to belittle a another pastor from independent church as he was married. Finally he changed the topic and did not want to relent. From the argument one thing was very clear. They have all this filth programmed into their brains and are controlled by the spirit of deception & pride.
There is no way out for them as its in their DNA.
Then I had another discussion with a TPM Sunday School teacher who also happened to be firmly believing that being Celibate was a higher standard of spirituality.
Fun is both have read bibles many times over and still feel that they are correct.
So there you go..you have a Man controlled by the spirit of deception & pride and his believer who is also controlled by him.
Dear TPM believers remember Mathew 13:30 Where Christ says, Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
Of the two groups, the religious group thrived and grew in numbers (bundles) but their end was Fire. The Spiritual remnant was less (only wheat) but they went to the Barns.
Hi Admin, or anyone can I have CP AM’s person email ID.
I don’t know his personal email id. You can however write to tpmibr@gmail.com from which I do not think you will receive any reply.
In the late 90s, an aged believer named John, who was a son of a TPM Pastor lost his wife. After a few years this Faith home boy married a divorced lady. The TPM centre pastor at that time in Bangalore, Selvam took disciplinary action this poor man by stopping him from taking TPM’s holy communion and testifying in the congregation. He and his parents had spent their entire life in TPM and had been a devoted member of the cult. He was branded as an “Adulterer”. Despite this, poor John continued to attend this cult with his new wife.
Around 2016, in Australia, a believer’s father and mother were prevented from taking communion as they were not TPM believers in India. They were asked to promise that they will attend TPM in India if they wanted communion. The poor folks did not accept these conditions and were denied Communion. Despite this, the poor sister continued to attend this cult with her husband and kids.
Dear Abraham, Thomas and Jayem, please picture this against what your TPM Playboy Joshua has done. He is in an illegitimate relationship with a divorced woman for the past few years and he has been exploiting her by promising to marry her. He has abused the hard earned money of your members in carrying out his clandestine affair to fulfill his uncontrollable lusts. In spite of all this evidence you continue to allow him to lead this congregation and fulfill his duties. He is a liar, adulterer, thief and an impersonator.
You three have no guts and you should be ashamed to call yourself as chief pastors. This proves that you are not men but cowards. You have no moral values and should be ashamed to even call yourselves as ministers. You are no worse than Playboy Joshua and as long you continue to stay silent, you are equally guilty. Wake up and start acting like leaders for once in your miserable existence on this planet. Stop exploiting poor gullible people in the Name of Christ.
Ammachi Sharon is now the depressed woman She is worrying about her Position she doesn’t care about anyother even joshua now she is crying n raising up her own army. De prophet barnabas who’s in de singapore church is well fed by her and she nvr fails to shove nice dollars in his pocket one more De rich guy who she make leader of her cooking ministry in Singapore church also is in her army n in this ammachi Sharon army all are male species a pool of indian foreign talents with many $$$ not Singapore non-talents. I heard she cause the fall of many tpm workers and married man she is de alluring ammachi woooo. Her assets are not beauty, body or sweet voice but she cheats silly man by her pitiful weeping&cooing by feeding them tasty food and giving lots of $$$.
Hi, @ Keziah you nailed it 👌👌👌.
This is happening and happend in Taigin church. De rich guy leader of cooking ministry his Wife wear jewellery but they never stop taking communion and doing the ministry. Ammachi and Joshua allow her to do ministry and when that Sister doing ministry she removes jewel and that she put on… most of the senior believers also involved and Sister Judy SOG also favours to them.
Many youth left the church Sister Judy asked them to not to server because they are wearing jewellery, but De rich Sister can do ministry in church.
Come to know De rich family give plenty of gifts to Joshua and ammachi…
Most of the believers don’t know about TPM hidden sins now all coming out for believers to aware and careful not to trap in their cage…
They distroyed many believers life😩😩😔😔.
Rgs
Anonymous
@keziah
I’m grateful to the Lord for the grace, strength and unity He has given us to work enthusiastically in His house.
And our testimony is that we have the privilege of working in God’s house and so we are blessed.
TPM preaching is the same and we are taught the same way. Therefore no one has the authority of speaking about us.
We came to SG for work. This is a blessing that Lord gave us. It doesn’t matter how much we earn. Whatever Lord’s giving us we are satisfied with that. We are happy too. That’s sufficient for our houses.
We didn’t come trusting the SG church.
We only believed our Lord. We still have hope in Him.
“Whatever we do is for our Lord” – this is the faith that we have in His name. That’s true.
Clean your eyelids first and then the rest……
I believe that you are in the lord full time. But I don’t know how does He who lives inside you allow you to write like this?!
I never thought that you were looking after Indian Brothers (Bro.Barnabas) with this mindset. ($$$)
It’s really very sad what you’ve written about brother Barnabas. It’s you who should be ashamed of this.
He takes care of many people with prayer.
If someone fails in coming to church he would call them by phone asking them to come to the church and guide them into the Lord. Do you know that?
We all know that he is a prayer warrior.
Is this the reward you are giving him for all the deeds that he has done to you!
Are you such a big person!
He honoured the Lord’s anointing that’s upon you. But you tend to give him a bad name.
Read Matthew chapter 5 then you will get some knowledge.
@Amos
@ //I’m grateful to the Lord for the grace, strength and unity He has given us to work enthusiastically in His house.//
Which Lord are you talking about. As far as God of bible is concerned he has made it quite clear there is no House of God made up of cement and bricks..
Acts 7:48
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Your vocabulary and thinking capacity has benn poisoned with cult of tpm’s vocabulary
Check this
https://www.stas-afke.com/blog/2018/02/28/unlearning-the-codes-of-the-cult/
@Kazie or whoever,
Is it that you are trying to divert the topic from the so called clergy SOG who have committed sin to the sincere believers? Firstly if the new believer wear jewelry and come to church, is it not the responsibility of the SOG to inform them that they cannot take communion if they wear jewelry. In Singapore is everyone talking communion with a contrite heart and is everyone perfect. Are their families perfect. But they are still giving communion. Now then we know about SOGs are they perfect to serve communion? Supporting the rich man is whose fault. He didn’t ask Joshua or Sharon to support him. It’s they run after him like dogs. Including other SOGs. He and his wife are serving so called SOGs like serving unto god because they are not like you born and brought up in this filthy church. They are more practical and they stand firm for god.
Secondly, being a Singaporean I’m very ashamed to see that Indian brothers are working so hard in church cooking, cleaning and serving and including washing. Are you doing this job or is any singaporean doing it. They work hard 6 days a week at their work places and still come and cook Saturday night and Sunday morning. You should be ashamed to blame them. These so called SOGs don’t have time for hanky panky so where do they have time to cook and serve.
Thirdly, regarding cooking In-Charge is doing his very best with his team to serve good food to the believers. Still believers complain. Are we not ashamed of this. Why do they have e to leave their family time and struggle for us. I really feel ashamed. We don’t help, instead we comment. What an embarrassment for us. We don’t even clean or fold tables. What are we talking about.
Fourthly, talking about Barnabas. He is a prayerful brother. He earns very little salary and sends to his family for his childrens studies and livelyhood. He is staying in church like a slave taking care of the church and it’s works there. Every bloody worker makes use of him and treat him like a worker in church and what is it that he is giving info from within. If you are really perfect why the hell you need to worry about leaking information. No body even bothers to lock the gates of the church and he is taking care from big to small in church. Do you know that he even don’t have money to eat for 2 to 3 days in the days while he go to work since he got shortage of money. He takes bicycle to work irregardless of his work site to save money for his family. If the rich man is feeling him with $$$ he don’t need to struggle. You go and ask him for prayer for you clear mind he will fast and pray for you.
Don’t just blame people and pin point here and there. Stand for the truth and chase the culprits away. Bloody cold blooded culprits and liars. Corruption and adultry and lies have covered the eyes of so called SOGs. Man to women, women to women is just common in Pentecostal church of Singapore. So where is holiness that they are preaching about. Every man and women (SOG) staying there are involved in adultery except for Past. Joneo, Joash, Roshan, Eunice, Thenmozhi. So go and check on that. Don’t blame the innocent. Since you are too holy ask god for wisdom.
Eric,
//Every man and women (SOG) staying there are involved in adultery except for Past. Joneo, Joash, Roshan, Eunice, Thenmozhi.
That is a biggest lie liar! You have no evidence yet you speak so blatantly about purest church on earth. Saints have offered their life for holy Zion and they cannot commit any sins. They make us ready for coming of our Lord. People trust them. Don’t dare to fill believers mind with more fantasy stories. Don’t think all believers are blind. They have holy spirit to tell them who is right and who da hell is evil. Everyone knows de rich fellow and his wife are send by devil.
What a shameless assessment. When your centre pastor is caught with his pants down, you still have the gall to say these are saints? You Deserve to be deceived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fSD05BwFg
@Kenji very good after everyone know what’s happening you are still blinded by them. Might be you are one among them. The people you are talking about who came to this church are shameful and feel upset for entering this group of culprits. Wake up wake up……
@Eric
@ //The people you are talking about who came to this church are shameful and feel upset for entering this group of culprits. //
No brother….no……….. Please stop with all power those gold diggers from leaving this mission number one church…It will be great loss to our saints. I will immediately ask saints to talk with their family in most sweet tone. This is the sign that they are sent by me. If saints say many people tried to forsake tpm truth and they repented of their decision, then understand I sent them. If saints give example of devil tail working powerfully then I send them.
Ok!
Now spit anger!
Come back ! Remember god says ‘ you are mine and I am your.’ all your money belong to our saints, or gods. Come donate it to ministry everything. Sell all you have. Then join us. We promise to take care of you for few years atleast. Stay surrendered under obedience of our saints and we will never excommunicate you.
@Kenji
//Every man and women (SOG) staying there are involved in adultery except for Past. Joneo, Joash, Roshan, Eunice, Thenmozhi.//
How on earth did you find that out, considering that literal Adultery is not even in the equation (Mat 5:28).
//That is a biggest lie liar! You have no evidence yet you speak so blatantly about purest church on earth//.
There is only the perfected bride or church. Can you explain criteria of purest church and where it is referred to in the bible!
// Saints have offered their life for holy Zion and they cannot commit any sins. They make us ready for coming of our Lord. People trust them. //
When did that happen. Your sense of reasoning is so seared that you are completely deluded. You have no Idea of what you are saying brother. Rom 3:23 says for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God ; And you are claiming they cannot Sin.
The short exhortation by Paul Washer which Admin posted is just right for you and so is TPM.
@keziah
Golry to God!
All this time ammachi Sharon has been saying the word “deppressed” to many beleivers and now the word depressed is coming back to her. GOD IS GOOD.
It does not say anywhere that we cannot be serving him if we are Married.
True. But it does not say that you MUST be married either.
St. Paul said that it would be “good for them to remain as I am”.
But he laid down a condition that if they cannot exercise self-control, “let them marry”.
So, it boils down to personal self-control.
Neither does it say an unmarried person like that is in any way superior to the married person in the Kingdom of God.
It simply states a fact that some people can remain unmarried for the sake of the Kingdom of God.
True.
It does not say that such people need to stay with people of the opposite sex under the same roof to have an overcoming life or whatever (The Faith Home Environment).
True. But I don’t believe any verse in the Bible that says specifically how they must live or anything that forbids such communal living. Happy to be corrected.
It’s a personal choice. Isn’t it?
It does not say that such a person cannot be a co-worker for Christ’s kingdom along with a married person.
True.
It does not say that such a person should not work for his sustenance but be taking tithe money from others.
True.
It does not say that such a person can become a Bishop/Overseer of a local assembly without fulfilling the necessary criteria.
Pardon the ignorance. What criteria?
It does not say that such a person will be specially rewarded for his/her Unmarried ministry.
Not that I’ve read anywhere.
I think some preachers twist some verses out of context to support this thought of a special reward for those who remain unmarried.
It is entirely possible for a person to remain unmarried throughout his/her life, without committing any physical act of sin and yet have spent that lifetime with immoral thoughts.
I believe the Lord spoke to this subject in one of the gospels and declared such thoughts to be the equivalent of physical adultery.
The tone of the message even does not tell us that this is a Sacrifice as is made out to be in TPM.
Although the tone cannot be judged from simply reading the verse, it is a fair assumption.
However, if someone chooses to give up the worldly pleasures and joys of marriage, that is his/her personal sacrifice for which no one should be judged. If he/she fails, that is their cross to bear.
If the Life of Paul is to be taken as an example of this kind of calling, its best fit for a traveling missionary who is self-sustaining. The unbiblical Faith home life is a total misfit and an insult to the intent of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
I find nothing unbiblical about the faith home life that TPM prescribes. It is a choice they have made.
In Matthew 19:12, the Lord said “… and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”
So, what was the intent of the Lord?
Did the Lord not leave it to each believer to decide for himself/herself?
There are many supporters of this site who comment on the articles in various tones and using a variety of dialects of English.
Some of them are rude and impolite.
Is it fair to then assume that the authors of this site and every single supporter of their points of view are also rude and impolite?
TPM, as an organization, is flawed. But, then aren’t we all?
Is it fair to paint everybody associated with the same brush?
People may know the truth, have accepted it in their hearts and minds, but may find it difficult to change their position due to social and other pressures.
I only pray for such people to be able to recognise ungodliness and to be able to stay away from it.
Someone commented about a person, John, who was disciplined for marrying a divorced woman.
At the start of Matthew 19, the Lord establishes certain things (paraphrased):
1. “what God has joined together, let not man separate” – thereby abolishing the idea of divorce.
2. “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce, but from the beginning, it was not so.”
3. “Whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery;”
4. “Whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery”
So, the person, John, in question has committed adultery as per the definition of #4 above. Is that not so?
Would it then be alright for the pastor to give him communion or fellowship?
However, as suggested, it is blatantly hypocritical to have such stringent “discipline” for the believers and not for the “clergy”.
As Christ said “Let him that is without sin cast the first stone… ”
It is also true that the apostle Paul advises the church to cast out those that are immoral.
Instead of trying to defeat a flawed system, as the Psalmist suggests it is better to not walk in the counsel of the ungodly.
“For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, but the ungodly shall perish.”
It is better to leave the fellowship of the ungodly – either individually or as groups as may be appropriate.
God will deal with the ungodly and send them wise counsel and perhaps give them an opportunity to repent.
It is not for any of us to judge.
The “church” which is not just TPM or any individual denomination, but rather the entire body of people who believe in and practice the way of Christ.
Unfortunately, TPM believers have allowed themselves to be fooled into thinking that it only applies to the “servants of God”.
I recently spoke to a TPM pastor who clarified to me that the definition of “saint” is not that of just people wearing white apparel or performing a specific ministry, but applies rather to every person who has accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God, accepted Him as their personal savior, accepted Him in the waters of baptism, received the Holy Spirit and lives according to the word of God.
If you or I fulfill the criteria that this pastor mentioned, then we qualify as “saints”. I tend to agree with him and I believe that was the apostle Paul’s intended meaning of the word when he wrote the apostle.
While the targets of his epistles may not have been saintly in every respect, I think he used the word to inspire them to live up to the standard of Christ.
I believe there are very many TPM servants of God who do not wholeheartedly subscribe to this mythical concept of white-clad virgin saints.
They serve the Lord by remaining silent and by choosing not to preach the topic, but rather focus on other teachings that have more Biblical foundation and edifying to their flock.
I believe that in the eyes of God, we are all equal – we have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
I do not believe any of us need to make it our personal mission to change any specific denomination or group of people.
That is God’s job – not ours.
The evidence put forward about this pastor Joshua is quite damning.
The photographs, voice and video clips seem genuine and paint a very poor picture of someone who is supposed to spend his life serving God.
I cannot speak to the veracity of this evidence, because in this day and age almost anything can be doctored.
The best we can do is pray for them to see the truth and the light.
May the light of the gospel of the glory of God shine on us all.
//It does not say anywhere that we cannot be serving him if we are Married.
True. But it does not say that you MUST be married either.
St. Paul said that it would be “good for them to remain as I am”.
But he laid down a condition that if they cannot exercise self-control, “let them marry”.
So, it boils down to personal self-control.
The choice for marriage is personal and depends upon the gift on you. However, if you are leading a congregation as a Bishop/Overseer, you have to be married.
A bishop then MUST be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1 Tim 3:2
Did you note the word MUST in it?
//It does not say that such people need to stay with people of the opposite sex under the same roof to have an overcoming life or whatever (The Faith Home Environment).
True. But I don’t believe any verse in the Bible that says specifically how they must live or anything that forbids such communal living. Happy to be corrected.
Are you blind to the things happening in this cult? People like you are the ones who promote this immoral lifestyle. Enjoy it and feed them.
Jesus taught us to pray the below prayer.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’Matthew 6:13
Abstain from all appearance of evil.1 Thess 5:22
Maybe you can read this article
https://www.stas-afke.com/blog/2017/03/20/the-duck-test-of-tpm-lifestyle/
//It does not say that such a person can become a Bishop/Overseer of a local assembly without fulfilling the necessary criteria.
Pardon the ignorance. What criteria?
Pls read 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1:5-9
The tone of the message even does not tell us that this is a Sacrifice as is made out to be in TPM.
Although the tone cannot be judged from simply reading the verse, it is a fair assumption.
However, if someone chooses to give up the worldly pleasures and joys of marriage, that is his/her personal sacrifice for which no one should be judged. If he/she fails, that is their cross to bear.
Please explain to me what worldly pleasure and joys of marriage is given up by the TPM Clergy? I see them fully indulged in it. Putting up a white bedsheet to cover those are no excuse. Reprobates are these men and women.
//I find nothing unbiblical about the faith home life that TPM prescribes. It is a choice they have made.
Surely Its none of our job to condemn someone who chooses to live in a Brothel. They have their own reasons. It’s not our job to bother about brainwashed people who feed this kind of cult.
//Unfortunately, TPM believers have allowed themselves to be fooled into thinking that it only applies to the “servants of God”.
So that’s an acknowledgement about people being fooled. Good. Therefore, if the people of your congregation are fooled, why is that we have not heard any sermons which tell that is a wrong thing? There are so many audios and videos in youtube, can you point out ONE sermon which rebukes such an understanding?
@ Vik
@ // I find nothing unbiblical about the faith home life that TPM prescribes. It is a choice they have made.
In Matthew 19:12, the Lord said “… and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”
So, what was the intent of the Lord?
Did the Lord not leave it to each believer to decide for himself/herself?
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Why did Paul made it a choice for individual? Why didnt they made it compulsory like TPM for everyone joining theri doctrines to remain celibate ?
Dont you find the diference? TPM makes in compulsory for them who want to do ministry. There is no choice in TPM unlike Jesus and Paul!
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A bishop then MUST be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1 Tim 3:2
Did you note the word MUST in it?
I did. I am reading it again and I do not find it says that he MUST be married.
It suggests that IF he is married, then it must be to ONE wife – signifying monogamy and fidelity. (I trust it is ok to have an interpretation). This is among other qualities that a bishop must possess.
The apostle further goes on to say “LET deacons be husbands of one wife…”
Why does he say “MUST” for bishops and “LET” for deacons?
If being married was a prerequisite to be a bishop, then why is it that he does not add this condition in 1 Corinthians 7:8, where he says “I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I”
Within the same chapter of Corinthians, Paul says the following in verses:
27. Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife.
32. But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord.
33. But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife.
34. There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband.
37. Nevertheless he who stands steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but has power over his own will, and has so determined in his heart that he will keep his virgin, does well.
38. So then he who gives her in marriage does well, but he who does not give her in marriage does better.
Would it have been too much to ask for Paul to add the condition “except for bishops” to the above?
Perhaps polygamy was a prevalent lifestyle in the 1st century and Paul wanted Christians to not be polygamous?
FYI, I am using a NKJV Bible for my references. Trust that meets your approval.
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Are you blind to the things happening in this cult? People like you are the ones who promote this immoral lifestyle. Enjoy it and feed them.
Jesus taught us to pray the below prayer.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’Matthew 6:13
Abstain from all appearance of evil.1 Thess 5:22
Maybe you can read this article
https://www.stas-afke.com/blog/2017/03/20/the-duck-test-of-tpm-lifestyle/
But you are not answering my question. You have digressed again to your favorite topic – speaking of the purported immoralities of some individuals.
You use the word of God as your support for your arguments. I humbly ask you to point me to the word of God where it specifies that communal living is prohibited or even discouraged. As always, happy to be corrected.
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Pls read 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1:5-9
Very good. I’m not a scholar, but it seems that Paul says the very same things in both passages. He speaks of the moral and ethical qualities of a bishop or overseer or whatever you want to call it.
He does not specify anything else – length of beard, the color of clothes, type of food, etc.
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Please explain to me what worldly pleasure and joys of marriage is given up by the TPM Clergy? I see them fully indulged in it. Putting up a white bedsheet to cover those are no excuse. Reprobates are these men and women.
I will speak for myself.
The pleasures of the world I enjoy are
1. Being able to travel anywhere, anytime
2. Being able to eat & drink whatever I want and whenever I want
3. My weakness for a good book or a good movie or even the odd TV show
4. Being able to make and have friends from many different cultures
5. Having a good medical insurance plan that takes care of me when I fall sick
6. Being able to afford a reasonably good car every few years
7. Being able to have a nice house to call my own and live in
8. Having a relatively secure job and getting paid every month
9. Most of my family that I get to spend time with
10. Having the freedom to read and consume anything I want
11. The freedom to have this debate with you all
Being unmarried, I cannot comment on the joys of marriage, but I presume that by this you are referring to physical and psychological companionship.
I think to measure luxury MERELY as cars, air conditioning, homes, and food, is short sighted.
Every individual in this world has his/her own definition of luxury. What may seem absolutely ordinary to one person may seem extravagant to another. It’s all degrees of perception.
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Surely Its none of our job to condemn someone who chooses to live in a Brothel. They have their own reasons. It’s not our job to bother about brainwashed people who feed this kind of cult.
It is very obvious that you have an obsession with sex because you cannot seem to stop “talking” about it.
Your references to “prostitutes”, “whores” and “brothels” seem to indicate your own depravity.
What TPM workers do is frankly none of anyone’s business. If you don’t like it walk away. If you think ALL of them are ungodly then as the psalmist suggests don’t walk in the counsel of the ungodly or stand in the path of the sinner or sit in the seat of the scornful.
I must look at myself in the mirror and decide whether I am living a life that conforms to the character and stature of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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So that’s an acknowledgement about people being fooled. Good. Therefore, if the people of your congregation are fooled, why is that we have not heard any sermons which tell that is a wrong thing? There are so many audios and videos in youtube, can you point out ONE sermon which rebukes such an understanding?
I do not need “evidence” on Youtube or any other platform to convince me of everything. Some things are inherently evident by themselves. Others are evident through the words and actions of other people. Then there are things that are unseen, yet evident. I believe this is the definition of faith.
You, my friend, revel in making accusations and putting words in peoples’ mouths.
You are incapable of seeking the truth, but rather you seek silent voices that whisper in darkness, with unnamed sources like a yellow journalist.
Your methods of reporting cast doubt upon even the scant evidence that you publish.
//I did. I am reading it again and I do not find it says that he MUST be married.
It suggests that IF he is married, then it must be to ONE wife – signifying monogamy and fidelity. (I trust it is ok to have an interpretation). This is among other qualities that a bishop must possess.
The apostle further goes on to say “LET deacons be husbands of one wife…”
Why does he say “MUST” for bishops and “LET” for deacons?
Where do you get these suggestions? I did not see it. Let me put the entire context and you can tell me.
2 A bishop then MUST be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
As you see, I have underlined few sentences. Please tell me the purpose of the above portions. A TPM Minister who has hardly any idea of the bible and is indoctrinated by the cult does not fit any of the above(including the underlined). Its up to you to keep re-interpreting such passages for your own reasons.
What I see is a FORBIDDING OF MARRIAGE INSTITUTIONALLY. Nothing more.
Does 1 Corinthians 7:8 refer to the QUALIFICATION OF THE BISHOP? Why are you linking both the cases? This was Paul’s advise for a persecuted church. Read verse 26 and you will realise it. But Alas, you are Vik and you will not understand.
//But you are not answering my question. You have digressed again to your favorite topic – speaking of the purported immoralities of some individuals.
You use the word of God as your support for your arguments. I humbly ask you to point me to the word of God where it specifies that communal living is prohibited or even discouraged. As always, happy to be corrected.
Did you read the article regarding the duck test of TPM?
If you think staying in a brothel is good, then as I mentioned, I have no comments. Its up to you.
//I do not need “evidence” on Youtube or any other platform to convince me of everything.
I know it. Your evidence is provided by your clergy in secret. And you have a great faith that people will believe it. You guys agree that you are fooling people in public but want to give clarifications in secret. Good. Shows your intent loud and clear.
@ Vik
@ // It does not say that such people need to stay with people of the opposite sex under the same roof to have an overcoming life or whatever (The Faith Home Environment).
True. But I don’t believe any verse in the Bible that says specifically how they must live or anything that forbids such communal living. Happy to be corrected.
It’s a personal choice. Isn’t it?//
Since there is no verse in scriptures that forbids communal living, then why did they kick Alwyn De Alwis out of TPM when he made workers live naked inside faith home. I don’t find any verse either which forbids naked community! What harm is in TPM following extreme self-renunciation like Jain Digambaras (Jain monks who renounced everything including cloths)? Did not ‘Mahatma Gandhi’ practice the same with his experiment with the truth (Brahmacharya experiments)? Why do TPM people cry over some people moving naked in places like naked beaches?
Answer: Because we all believe in not pushing ourselves and community in unnecessary temptation (seduction environments). Right..? Isn’t for these reasons TPM forbids TV, Jewelry, girls wearing jeans, fashions? Isn’t for this reason (avoiding temptation) TPM insist on workers dress to be designed in a manner in which it fully covers their bodies (Sisters full hand blouses and similar full cover for male workers body)?
How come you accept one as a temptation (set of rules of TPM) and other as not (unmarried souls forced to live under one roof under organizational forcing)?
Try an experiment. Live in one room with one sister (not your wife) with celibacy and then tell us that it is no temptation! Tell me is what is greater temptation to see TV with you wife and kids in home or to live with unmarried ladies in one room? Make your grown up children’s live with girls of their college in one room and tell that this is family rule. Tell them it is your choice but if you want to say in family you have to live with girls in one room! Will you do that? Why not? If not then what will make you stop from doing it?
Isn’t it sin if we force someone to temptation?
I don’t want to lengthen this comment to make it difficult to read. I will wait for you answer. Let us go step by step. I hope you have my mail id (If you want to communicate privately)! Let us sort this out once and forever.
@Nath – I am responding to both your replies together.
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Since there is no verse in scriptures that forbids communal living, then why did they kick Alwyn De Alwis out of TPM when he made workers live naked inside faith home. I don’t find any verse either which forbids naked community! What harm is in TPM following extreme self-renunciation like Jain Digambaras (Jain monks who renounced everything including cloths)? Did not ‘Mahatma Gandhi’ practice the same with his experiment with the truth (Brahmacharya experiments)? Why do TPM people cry over some people moving naked in places like naked beaches?
Answer: Because we all believe in not pushing ourselves and community in unnecessary temptation (seduction environments). Right..? Isn’t for these reasons TPM forbids TV, Jewelry, girls wearing jeans, fashions? Isn’t for this reason (avoiding temptation) TPM insist on workers dress to be designed in a manner in which it fully covers their bodies (Sisters full hand blouses and similar full cover for male workers body)?
How come you accept one as a temptation (set of rules of TPM) and other as not (unmarried souls forced to live under one roof under organizational forcing)?
Try an experiment. Live in one room with one sister (not your wife) with celibacy and then tell us that it is no temptation! Tell me is what is greater temptation to see TV with you wife and kids in home or to live with unmarried ladies in one room? Make your grown up children’s live with girls of their college in one room and tell that this is family rule. Tell them it is your choice but if you want to say in family you have to live with girls in one room! Will you do that? Why not? If not then what will make you stop from doing it?
Isn’t it sin if we force someone to temptation?
I don’t want to lengthen this comment to make it difficult to read. I will wait for you answer. Let us go step by step. I hope you have my mail id (If you want to communicate privately)! Let us sort this out once and forever.
I will not comment on pastor Alwyn de Alwis for the following reasons:
1. I was not alive at the time of his episode.
2. He sinned and was kicked out. This is accepted by all the clergy that I know. This happened because there were good men of God at the time, who had the courage to stand for the right and ask a sitting chief pastor to leave. It takes a lot of courage to do that. It can only be done with the sword of righteousness. Perhaps the “men of God” today do not wield the same sword.
3. Despite pastor Alwyn’s fall, his good works are still hailed today. God is the ultimate judge and it is up to Him to reward accordingly.
4. I do not personally know a single person who personally knew him or met him. According to the little research that I have been able to do, the only person that I can think of is a gentleman by the name of Sam Alangaromoney who I believe has commented on this site. I believe he was present at the time and was witness to some of the happenings of the day. However, since I am not God, I am not able to corroborate any of his statements, unless he can produce a witness who could independently do that for him. I don’t doubt his truthfulness, but I prefer having verification.
In any case, there is no point in debating something that happened around 50 years ago, and when none of the affected parties of the day are alive anymore.
I think public nudity is generally culturally frowned upon in most parts of the world, regardless of their religious leanings.
Biblically, I think there is ample evidence of the prohibition of nudity, so I won’t go there.
With regards to your references of the forbidding of television, jewelry and the clothing of women,
• I have yet to come across someone who has made a convincing argument against owning or watching television. I believe the following:
o Some clergy look for a scapegoat or a bogeyman to scare the innocent with and they use certain physical items in the world.
o If you look around, the internet (and more specifically social media) is the New Satan – just like television and MTV were about 20 years ago.
o There is enough corruption and evil that we can witness in the world without a TV or internet. It is happening all around us. Does that mean we blind ourselves?
• Fashion: about 30 years ago, it was unheard of for a TPM believer lady to wear ethnic Indian costumes like salwar kameez and other such articles of clothing. Today it has almost become the norm. The enforcement of these rules varies from place to place. The Bible commands us to be MODEST in our appearance and to not lead others into temptation. No genuine servant of God, who has a genuinely edifying gospel to preach will dwell on such trivial subjects. I do not approve of anyone who forces their personal morality on others.
You proposed an experiment, which would be difficult in this day and age.
However, let me say that in this day and age, we do not need the standards of the conditions you prescribed to be able to test will power.
Speaking for myself, I work in an organization with people of both genders and from many cultures and backgrounds. Some are single, some are attached and others are married. There is ample opportunity for us to be tempted and fall prey to our baser instincts.
What consenting adults do between themselves is surely their problem.
I do not live my life expecting someone else to live to a higher moral standard.
The only moral standard that I TRY to live by is that which is prescribed as the characters of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I can ONLY PRAY
That is faith without works. Its faith in prayer without working for it. There is no action. It is love in words without love in deeds. In words of James, what good is it (your ONLY praying)?
James 2:15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food,
Jas 2:16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?
1Jn 3:18 Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.
Jud 1:23 save others by snatching them out of the fire (not pray); to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.
Why did God sent prophets to israelites to condmen sins of people. God could have asked them to pray ONLY!! Why does God send evangelists to preach ? He could raise his servants to pray ONLY.
You are ABSOLUTELY 100% right and I agree with you.
We must pray, have faith, and LIVE and ACT accordingly.
So, may I pose a question? How many people here can honestly look in the mirror and respond to Jesus Christ by saying “I am ready to cast the first stone.”
It is important to stand up to and point out immorality and mistakes, but we must not become accusers. That job of accuser should best be left to the chief accuser – Satan. If we become accusers, then that’s one less thing for poor Lucifer to do.
Before anyone pounces on me for that statement, let me say that immoral persons MUST be cast out of fellowship. However, if that is not happening then we must glean ourselves away from immoral fellowships.
When God decided to punish Sodom and Gomorrah, he did so because their iniquity had reached him and it was unbearable. However, he made a promise to Abraham that if there was even one righteous person there, he would not destroy it. Perhaps in order to remove that condition, he sent his angels to bring Lot and his family out, so that punishment could be delivered.
So, there may be a hundred immoral persons within the TPM clergy and they may have different types of faults in them. But, there are also many good people and hungry souls who earnestly yearn for God.
I do not like to take the names of people I have never met, especially in a negative context, but the articles on this site have produced allegations and some evidence of the wrongdoings of several TPM pastors and workers.
One way to resolve these things would be to cast them out and get rid of them.
But then, is that what Jesus would do to a sinner?
Would he cast him out or give him a chance to repent?
Let us pray for each of those individuals, that God may speak to them and restore them.
If you consider Christian life as the engagement period before the marriage, then if God has chosen someone to be part of the Christian faith and therefore by definition a part of the bride of Christ, then what right does any man have to “separate” something that God has “joined”?
Nath, my friend, I have lost your email address when my account was deleted. Please email me on –EMAIL ID TRUNCATED–. It will be good to hear from you.
Vik
You said, //The Bible commands us to be MODEST in our appearance and to not lead others into temptation. //
Here you answered it yourself.
Isn’t it a budding ground for temptation to make unmarried young men and women to live together with each other under same roof? Isn’t it leading people into temptation?
Your example of tempation in you working environment:
You are comparing oranges with apple. Neverthless you are defeating your own purpose. Let me show you how.
Working in an organization made up of married/unmarried people who can satisfy the natural demands of their flesh elsewhere, is not the same temptation (heat) as putting two or three unmarried people in the same room and asking them to remain holy for ages. The comparison is not right. There is difference in the length of time people spend together in organization and in fake home, the number of people present in office and the limited number of people in fake home (less people greater the chance), and most incomparable factor is the consideration that the people in your office are all married. Your colleagues get their natural demand of flesh satiated at theri homes before coming to office. However the people who in fake home have no place to satiate the heat of their bodies. The thristy men and women and giive a water pot and asked to not to drink from it.
If you agree that there is ample opportunity of temptation in your office place, // you said There is ample opportunity for us to be tempted and fall prey to our baser instincts , then how much ample, ample, ample opportunity lies in fake homes ..right? And as you said, bible tells us not to lead others into temptation therefore TPM’s live-in-relationship communal living is unbiblical. You proved it.
Dear Vik
You have said, “3. Despite pastor Alwyn’s fall, his good works are still hailed today. God is the ultimate judge and it is up to Him to reward accordingly”
Which of his good works being hailed are you talking about?
On one hand you say you will not comment on Allwyn’s sinful works because you were not present in his days, but you seem to believe the so called good works about him! That is strange! Why double standard brother? Either you should accept none of the history of TPM (the so called goodness of TPM oldies) or better dont keep asking about veracity of things reported on this site.
Thanks for mail id. Will write to you if i feel like communicating something with you.
Vik
brother you said,
So, may I pose a question? How many people here can honestly look in the mirror and respond to Jesus Christ by saying “I am ready to cast the first stone.”
Brother after being a reader of the website for a long time, you still seem to not get the point of website in expsoing sins of TPM workers.
The point website is trying to prove is that everyone is sinner. Website is trying to show that the belief injected in TPM believers and workers is danegrous – the belief that our decisions and choices make us better than others in sight of God.
Website is trying to exhibit that man’s ability to get himself declared righteous (not by purely the work of Christ on cross) by our own consecrations and decisions made by super holy traditions set in TPM is flawed.
Website is trying to show that this belief of TPM, is being mocked by God by allowing these secret sins of TPM idols to be made public.
We want people to completely trust in saving power of cross instead of our special moral life. It is therefore website exposes sins of TPM workers. Article in website are not written with intention to throw stones at bad apples in TPM. All we are saying is stop trusting TPM teachings that are designed to make people trust in their abilities to get to heaven.
@Vik G,
//let me say that immoral persons MUST be cast out of fellowship. However, if that is not happening then we must glean ourselves away from immoral fellowships.//
Well said brother. When I realized that neither the leadership had the willingness/inclination, nor I had the power to cast out an immoral minister from TPM, I quit this fellowship. I hope others follow your advise as well (and Singapore TPM believers in particular).
@ Vik
// People may know the truth, have accepted it in their hearts and minds, but may find it difficult to change their position due to social and other pressures. I only pray for such people to be able to recognise ungodliness and to be able to stay away from it.//
@ I can ONLY PRAY
That is faith without works. Its faith in prayer without working for it. There is no action. It is love in words without love in deeds. In words of James, what good is it (your ONLY praying)?
James 2:15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food,
Jas 2:16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?
1Jn 3:18 Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.
Jud 1:23 save others by snatching them out of the fire (not pray); to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.
Why did God sent prophets to israelites to condmen sins of people. God could have asked them to pray ONLY!! Why does God send evangelists to preach ? He could raise his servants to pray ONLY.
Dear brother Vik
//I recently spoke to a TPM pastor who clarified to me that the definition of “saint” is not that of just people wearing white apparel or performing a specific ministry, but applies rather to every person who has accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God, accepted Him as their personal savior, accepted Him in the waters of baptism, received the Holy Spirit and lives according to the word of God.//
Can you please ask this man of God to tell this truth in the next Sunday/Friday meeting whenever it happens. Not in private. If this is what he believes As per the scripture And he is the Pastor ( shepherd) he should tell the truth not talk truth in private. A belief is a belief is a belief. If he is not able to come out openly then in all probability he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. You appear learned in the Bible then he will talk in one tone, if there is a believer who is a bhakt he will speak in another tone.
Then, since this pastor has acknowledged that all are saints I will ask you a question that is imaginary.
1. There is a saint brother (not SOG) in your faith home and there is a saint sister (not worker sister). Since it is not explicitly written in the Bible and it is not wrong The saint brother will come and testify that he and saint sister have taken a house for a rent and they will live in one house ( in different rooms though). What will be everybody’s reaction. Would like to hear your answer please. Your saint Pastor should approve it since he has first hand experience in this overcoming saintly life. He will tell everybody to start praising for this overcoming saint brother and saint sister. Then everybody said sthotharam Sthotharam ….
My so called shepherd (pastor)was like that. He had many colours. One colour for me and one colour for the bhakt.
Richie
I did tell the pastor that this concept needs to be explained more widely and accurately so that the misconceptions are removed.
He has promised to do so. As and when he does I will share this with you.
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You appear learned in the Bible then he will talk in one tone, if there is a believer who is a bhakt he will speak in another tone.
To be very honest, life is too short for me to sit and wonder what a pastor or anybody is saying to another person privately.
The only thing I can do for myself and encourage others to do is to read the word of God and try to understand it for ourselves (as the authors of some of the articles here have suggested).
The more I know, the less chance that someone can mislead me.
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1. There is a saint brother (not SOG) in your faith home and there is a saint sister (not worker sister). Since it is not explicitly written in the Bible and it is not wrong The saint brother will come and testify that he and saint sister have taken a house for a rent and they will live in one house ( in different rooms though). What will be everybody’s reaction. Would like to hear your answer please. Your saint Pastor should approve it since he has first hand experience in this overcoming saintly life. He will tell everybody to start praising for this overcoming saint brother and saint sister. Then everybody said sthotharam Sthotharam ….
Richie – your proposal is hypothetical and while it would be theoretically possible to conduct this experiment, it would be practically impossible.
In any case, why are you so obsessed about their living arrangements? As I suggested in earlier replies, let God judge them and punish as necessary.
Dear Brother Vik
So may I deduce that according to you a thief is not a thief in your eyes since he did not steal in your house and you don’t have the time to find out what happened in your neighbor’s house since life is too short.
Anyway, what can I say. Its your way of assessing a person.
And about the living arrangements for which I am obsessed I had to do this because it is unheard of among followers of Christ and the only possible place is a TPM faithhome.
Anyway, the message is clear. IF you wanna argue please you can continue.
What a surprise, our friend Vikram is back with his extremely articulate insights. “Throwing pearls to the swine” – no better example than this educated well read watcher from TPM. Keep reading till it becomes too late…
@No more a slave to fear
I pray for two things:
1. To get a seriously debatable response from you. Something worthy of a response greater than this.
2. To get you to shorten your name to something like Raj, John, Bob or even Donald, so that I would not have to type “No more a slave to fear” – a name that does not do you justice.
It is good to see that ViK is on the rampage again…
I’m sorry my friend, I cannot and will not get into a debate with you because you are too good with words and I’m not. So thanks for the offer and enjoy your debates and your beloved TPM/CPM/UPC?NTC/NCPC and its deep doctrines.
BTW, you can call me Al.
As far as I’m concerned, TPM is a cult and there are numerous articles on fromtpm.com to prove it. So for the benefit of all readers, please use your TPM theological expertise to disprove the articles one by one and hopefully I will be enlightened.
Also, with admin brother’s permission, if he likes to approve this, I would recommend watching this publicly funded series called “The Chosen”, available online. In this series, which I believe God’s Handiwork is at work in these last days of false teachings & false doctrines, in the production & directing, it portrays how Jesus, DID NOT exclusively promote or enforce celibacy on his first disciples. Its how it was as the director captures the culture, custom & traditions of those times while staying true to the bible & scripture. Highly recommended, “The Chosen” series.
Thanks RichinChrist
Are you talking about ‘The Chosen’ (Gospel movie IMDb rating 9.8) or the chosen one (neftfilx about cult IMDb rating ,5.6)?
By the way I m watching ‘handmaids tale’ .
It’s about Christian theocratic totalitarian government twisting scriptures to rule imaginary US city called as republic of Gilead. In this city, women are divided into four classes ( wife, Martha, handmaids, aunties).
Wives are married wives of government officials. Aunties are responsible for running indoctrination camps.
Martha’s do kitchen work in rich men’s home.
Finaly group is called handmaids. Girls who are fertile , who are deemed as unworthy by law of the government, who were professors, doctors, scientists, harlots, who had extramarital affairs, etc etc, are labelled as handmaids. They are indoctrinated to become fruitful (bear children from military commanders whose wife are barren). All the time they will say, ‘praised be’ ‘ blessed be the fruit.’
These girls are raped in front by commanders in front of their of wives. Wifes allow it because they are taught that as Rachel gave Billah her handmaid to Jacob to produce children , so must they walk in path of God..
When sinners (handmaids) bear children they call it miracle of God. Then handmaid is assigned as child bearer to another officer..
The children born to handmaids are sold to countries where children’s haven’t been born in years. This they call it trade.
Women are punished using electric cattle probe , and sent to prison in nuclear factory..
Horrific crimes are committed and people are blind.
In short it is worth watching to see how hypocrites take the name of God to fulfill their authoritarian agenda.
@Nath,
//Are you talking about ‘The Chosen’ (Gospel movie IMDb rating 9.8) or the chosen one (neftfilx about cult IMDb rating ,5.6)?/7
Its the former, “The Chosen”. I watched all the 8 episodes in season 1 & also how the director & the actor who played Jesus found God in a deeper sense. Watch the bonus content, where they are being interviewed for this.
@ Vik G..” cannot speak to the veracity of this evidence, because in this day and age almost anything can be doctored.”
Its quite strange to read such a statement from some one who had been closely following this site right from its inception!
That shows clearly,if I view the things with a lense called ‘BM'(biased mind), nay.even after reading more than 400 episodes,my mind does n’t move as it got clogged down with my traditional way of logical thinking, rational approach,no amount of revelations help me to come out of my shell,leave about talking 4000 th episode from this site!.
First of all,
Where is the need for someone for doing that kind of doctoring?
Why should somebody resort for that extreme step?
How could it be helpful by that doctoring ?
Who would be the beneficiary by that process ?
Only time will tell.
From the book of OBADIAH, when I meditated its the vision of this prophet.
the 3 rd and 4 th verses say,
“The pride of your heart has deceived you.
You who live in the clefts of the rock, whose dwelling is high,
who say in your heart,”Who will bring me down to the ground?
Though you soar aloft like the eagle,
though your nest is set among the stars,
there I will bring you down, says the Lord.
In the 2 nd verse,”Behold I will make you small among the nations,
you shall be utterly despised.
So this is full of allegory, and filled with full of symbolism.
And the Bible pundits and the apologists strictly warn me against allegorizing the Biblical word.
Yeah,its true,I do hear them.
But if the Spirit of God comes and tells me to eat these words, should I not eat them?
So,it is meant for my personal consumption, I ate them.
May be they (those words)seem to be looking out of context, but at the end I am comforted by the some more scriptural sayings,
“before the Lord; for He comes,
for He comes to judge the earth
He will judge the world with righteousness,
and the peoples with His truth” (Psalm 96:13).
Now we are His people, and the world is different that we don’t belong to this world
Thus we are looking for His coming.
And the Word says,” Surely I am coming soon”
Finally we are only comforting each other by His Word.
@EE
Please note that there is a lot of evidence here for sexual immorality and unethical behaviour.
For example, the photos do not look doctored and the videos definitely look genuine.
I cannot imagine any valid reason why a TPM pastor would be photographed in a public swimming pool or be caught on video with only a towel wrapped around him.
However, I found the screenshots of the Whatsapp conversations interesting and sometimes funny.
It had a touch of the sarcasm of our friend, Elina “the faithful”.
But on a more serious note, the evidence submitted is quite damning and I am quite surprised how this has not elicited any serious action from the leadership.
At the same time, I cannot spare the little time I have to worry about someone else’s sins and immorality.
As Marcus Cicero said, “Iustitia suum cuique distribuit.” (Justice renders to everyone his due.)