Venom Removal Series – Gospel in Genesis 7

In the last article of this series, we did contemplate on the life of Abraham. We saw his heavenly calling, his departure to Egypt, his wife in the house of Pharaoh, plagues on the land of Egypt, Lot plundered by thieves, Abraham’s rescue operation, an encounter with Melchizedek, and finally God’s covenant with Abraham by walking in midst of halved sacrifices. In this article, we will see about Sarah’s handmaid Hagar, the three guests of Abraham, and the incestuous daughters of Lot. May God open eyes of beholders to return to Christ from the slavery of the law!

Hagar and Sarah (Gen 16,21)

In Genesis 16 and Genesis 21 we read about Hagar. Abraham mistakenly assumes that God’s promise of making a nation out of him will get fulfilled through Hagar (Sarah’s handmaid). So Abraham tries to get a son through Hagar via surrogacy. Hagar conceives, but she then begins to despise her mistress Sarah. So Sarah deals with her harshly. Hagar then flees to the wilderness. In the wilderness, the angel of the Lord meets her at a well and asks her to return to Sarah. After a few years as a maid in the house of Abraham, Isaac is born to Sarah. But Sarah observes that the son of the bondwoman Hagar is mocking Isaac (Gen 21:9, Gal 4:29). She, therefore, requests Abraham to cast out the son of the bondwoman, that he may not be an heir along with Isaac. Abraham sends his maid away with the provision of water and bread. Water doesn’t last for much time and fearing the death of her child out of thirst, Hagar keeps him under shrubs and walks away from him, saying “let me not see the death of the child.” As she weeps at a distant place, God answers her out of heaven. God opens her eyes and she finds a well of water. She quenches the thirst of her child. God takes care of her and the child. We are told that the child grows and is married to a wife taken from among Egyptians.

We observe that God encounters Hagar at a well, two times. Now, God communicating with Hagar at a well reminds us of Jesus meeting a Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well (John 4). On both these instances, of Old Testament Hagar and New Testament Samaritan woman at a well, a striking similarity is visible. Both these women had an inappropriate relationship with men. Hagar had Ishmael through Abraham, who was not her husband and Samaritan woman had five husbands, and none was her real husband. It is amazing that Holy God communes with these sinful women and saves them from calamity. Both these women are blessed by Messiah at well. In the first instance, Angel of God opens Hagar’s eyes; she quenches her thirst out of well. In second, Jesus effectively says, “I am the well.” “Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” (John 4:13-14).” Samaritan women’s spiritual thirst is quenched. Similarly, because of the water which God gave to Hagar, Ishmael was saved from dying. He became a great nation. Because of water which Jesus promised to Samaritan woman, many Samaritans were saved from spiritual death. They believed Jesus and became spiritual descendants of Abraham by faith (John 4:39-42). Compare the summary below.

 

Hagar Samaritan Woman
 Encounters God at well Meets Jesus at well
Had inappropriate relation with Abraham Had inappropriate relation with five men
God opens her eyes and quenches her thirst Jesus says’ he that drinks of the water that I give will never thirst
Ishmael is saved from death and turns into a nation Samaritans believed Jesus and are saved eternally

The next big lesson from Hagar’s life is allegorically interpreted by Apostle Paul. He compares the two sons of Abraham to two covenants (Gal 4). He says that Hagar is a bondwoman. Therefore her son is also born in slavery. Hagar and her son are allegoric of them who are under the law. Those who are under the law would get reward by virtue of their works. If they obey not the rules and regulations, under which they were by Abraham, they would get punishment. Therefore as punishment, Hagar and her son were cast out of the home of Master; because they failed in meeting the expectation of their master who made laws for them. On the contrary, Sarah and her son Isaac were not employees of Abraham. They were free. Like them, we are made free from Law by the death of Jesus. We inherit the promises of God by faith alone — as it is an inheritance to us in Christ, and not as the reward of our holy consecrated life or our works. If we get entangled in law again, seeking rewards according to our good and bad works, we will be cast away if we fail to meet the demands of the law. We should, therefore, seek inheritance and eternal life as a free gift of God as is expected for the heirs.

The Three Visitors (Gen 18-20)

Then in Gen 18, we read three guests visit Abraham. God (Yahweh) appears in human form(Theophany) and momentarily tabernacles with Abraham. This is one of few occasions in scriptures, where God appeared in all three forms, simultaneously (at the same time). A parallel event took place at the baptism of Jesus, – where God spoke out of heaven, Jesus was in rivers of Jordan, and Holy Ghost descended in the form of a dove. We all know how the story of three visitors of Abraham progresses ahead, and how Abraham’s hospitality pleased the three guests. Visitors mention the purpose of their visit is to bring judgment on the land of Sodom (Gen 18:17-21). God says should I hide from Abraham that which I am to do. So Yahweh reveals his plan and we see Abraham interceding for the wicked land (v22-33). While the two communes, the other two visitors continue their journey to the land of Sodom to bring judgment (Gen 18:22). We further see that Lot welcomes the messengers, but the people of the land of Sodom, aren’t hospitable. The two angels then make the people of the land as blind. They preserve righteous lot and pour vengeance on the ungodly world.

Venom Removal Series – Gospel in Genesis 7When Jesus took human form and visited people of Israel, many washed his feet and were hospitable to him (Simon, Martha Mary, Zacchaeus etc), but many cities received him not. Jesus condemned the cities which received him not, saying “Woe to Chorazin…. woe to Bethsaida….., woe to Capernaum.., if the mighty works which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom than for thee (Matt 11:20-24).” Similar to the purpose mentioned by visitors, i.e. to bring judgment on the land of Sodom, Jesus said, “For judgment, I have come into this world.” Then like the two messengers made the people of Sodom blind (Gen 19:11), Jesus said, “I am come…. that they which see not, might see; and that they which see, might be made blind (John 9:39).” As Abraham interceded for Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen 18:22-33), saying “Will thou destroy righteous with the wicked… perhaps if there be fifty…  perhaps if there be forty… perhaps if there be ten.. will thou destroy it?” so does Christ, sitting at the right hand of God, intercedes for perishing world (see Gen 18:22-33, Heb 7:25). As the intercession of Abraham saved Lot from getting perished, so will intercession of Christ save us from eternal damnation! Here is the summary below.

Guests visit Abraham, Lot   New Testament Parallel  
The three guests Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
Abraham and Lot showed charity and hospitality, but men of Sodom did not receive triune God Few were hospitable to Jesus, but many cities  (Capernaum and Bethsaida), received him not
Abraham in the role of intercessor Jesus is our mediator and intercessor on the right hand of God

 

Lot New Testament Believer
Lived in wicked Sodom and Gomorrah We live in this wicked world
All night, angels and Lot’s family faced pressure and threatening by men of Sodom Until the day dawns, there is persecution for the church
Cities destroyed with fire and brimstone This Wicked world will destroy by fire (2 Pet 3:10)
Lot’s wife looked back and was not fit for escape Disciples (followers of Christ) who look back after laying their hands on the plough, are not fit for the kingdom of God (Luke 9:62)

 

Note 1:

The phrase “looking back” in Luke 9:62 is intentionally used to remind readers of Lot’s wife. Jesus said, no man putting his hand on plough ….LOOKING BACK… is fit for the kingdom of God.  Jesus used this phrase to remind us of words of Angels to Lot’s family – “..Look not behind thee… (Gen 19:17).” But Lot’s wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt (Gen 19:17, 26). Many times TPM pastors interpret Luke 9:62 as those who leave TPM ministry will fall directly to hell from Zion. However, the right interpretation is spoken in the context of Genesis and should be seen in the right perspective.  The meaning of Jesus’ statement was that if any of his disciple (the word disciple means followers of Christ), has shown hospitality to him and hearkened his warning to escape from the wrath of God, looks back for obtaining material blessings of this world like job, money, lands, houses, after having left it, he is not fit for kingdom of God. This in no way means one cannot serve God in any other organization other than TPM. Jesus uses the Lot’s wife’s turning again in Luke 17:31-32. He says, “if any man is on the rooftop, let him not return back to his home to take the worldly things. Remember Lot’s wife (Luke 17:31-32).” This again is applicable to all followers of Christ and in no way means one cannot serve God in any organization other than TPM.

Note 2 (for your research):

The phrase “yet so as by fire” in I Corinthians 3:15 may or may not allude to Lot being saved with fire. In I Corinthians 3:14-15, Paul says, if any man’s work abides, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss. But he himself shall be saved YET SO AS BY FIRE. Commentators think that Paul used it in reference to Malachi 3:2-3 (see also Rev 3:18). However it is my instinct, and I may be wrong, that the phrase used by Apostle Paul may allude to Lot being saved from fire, and his work which he built in Sodom, which was his home, his vineyard if it was, and all the property which he build, was destroyed in fire. Yet he was saved as by fire. (See also Amos 4:11; Zech 3:2-5; Jude 1:23; Lev 13:47-59; Lev 14:47; Isa 64:6; Rev 3:4)! This (Note 2) is for your meditation and further research.

Lot’s daughters – mothers of abominable nations (Gen 19:30-38)

Next, we are told that Lot, along with his two daughters, escaped to a mountain and lived in a cave in seclusion. His wife had become a pillar of Salt. Husbands of his daughters did not believe Lot and preferred to stay in Sodom and were probably destroyed (Gen 19:12, 14). Being saved from destruction, Lot along with his two daughters dwelt in the hole of rock (cave – cf. Ex 33:22, Isa 2:21). However the two sisters committed incest in that rock, and out of them came Moabites and Ammonites (Gen 19:37-38).

Venom Removal Series – Gospel in Genesis 7God made Lot escape the filth of Sodom and Gomorrah. However, Lot’s daughters committed the worst sins than what they had escaped earlier. They seemed to have returned to the filth which they left behind in Sodom (cf. 2 Pet 2:20). Apostasy or backsliding in scriptures is mostly represented as whoredom. Just like the woman in revelation 17 is the mother of Harlots and Abominations (Rev 17:5), so did Lot’s daughters became the mothers of Moabites and Ammonites, the idolatrous nations, worshipping other gods  (which is fornication in the sight of God – see the book of Hosea). As the mother of harlots in Revelation 17 is drunk with the blood of the saints, so Moabites and ammonites did much harm to Israelites (cf. Number 25:1-3, Deut 23:3-4, Joshua 24:9, Jud 3:12-14, Zephaniah 2:8-9 ). Any backsliding on our part and getting us back under the slavery of law is also the same as returning to place from where we were redeemed. So pay heed that you don’t backslide and become part of an apostate church which brings you back in the slavery of laws, rules and regulations (like Roman Catholic and TPM churches), from which we were redeemed by Christ (Gal 5:1). Here is the summary.

Lot’s daughter Apostate Church (TPM and likes)
Returned to sins of Sodom which they left earlier Backslidden, fallen, entangled again under the yoke (Acts 15:10)
Committed incest  (Gen 19) Commits whoredom (Rev 17:2)
Mothers of the idolatrous nations (Moabites & Ammonites) Mother of Harlots & abomination (Rev 17:5)
Did much harm to Israel ( Num 25:1-3, Josh 24:9) Drunk with the blood of the saints (Rev 17:6)

 

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60 Comments on “Venom Removal Series – Gospel in Genesis 7”

  1. Excellent article! Hope, TPM fanatics will read it and shun the wrong interpretation of the white-clad organisation. Hats off, dear writer of this article. May God give you more grace to come up with such interesting articles.

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    1. Old Covenant is shadow of higher order of New Testament Church. Three guests of Abraham are three servants of God, – Apachen, Amachi, & Aaka. They come to our home. Like Abraham we should take butter, milk and calf and set it before servants of God. Three guests can also be our three chief pastors who come visit to our city in convention.

      Hagar is like people of other church. Sarah is tpm church. We should become children of Sarah and have no connection with backslider who run away from Abraham’s home.

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      1. @Elina, //”Old Covenant is shadow of higher order of New Testament Church. Three guests of Abraham are three servants of God, – Apachen, Amachi, & Aaka. They come to our home. Like Abraham we should take butter, milk and calf and set it before servants of God. Three guests can also be our three chief pastors who come visit to our city in convention.//

        This is extra ordinary revelation, I’m truly amazed at your gullibility. No wonder TPM/NTC/NCPC is taking you for a ride. Enjoy it as long as it lasts.

        I sincerely wish that God will have mercy on you and open your eyes to the Truth.

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      2. @Redeemed
        No problem. They humbly eat whatever you give them. They never refuse. That is training they received from headquarters. Only don’t give them sugary items. Most suffer from saints disease. And mildly warm water. That is small request they make. Otherwise they never refuse what you give.

        Thanks redeemed for helping our servants of God. God will bless you for this.

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        1. Dear Elina
          I am still waiting for an official explanation for the reason of the death of Pastor Andrew who collapsed and died preaching in the Dubai Convention. Would you please ask the Appachen and Ammachi and let me know it?
          I would also like to know if your saints would allow the Funeral service to be conducted in the Faith Home as he died in the Hospital? I guess they are quite strict about people who died in the Hospital.Isn’t it?

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        2. OK Elina, I did not know the new TPM parlance that Diabetes is also known as saints disease.
          Usually these so called Akka’s ensure the menu’s are well arranged before Appachi visits. And I am sure its far from warm water.
          I dont expect to be blessed for meeting their gastronomic needs as there no such a thing.
          However instead, if I do the same with fatherless and widow, I am sure my Father will be pleased as he too had compassion on them.

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        3. //Most suffer from saints disease.

          Why they cannot be healed when they conduct convention with divine healing in all cities ?
          They quote often 1 Peter 2:24 and shout and jump in divine healing meeting. Why is that so ? Why no deliverance for the person conducting even ?

          //Only don’t give them sugary items.
          Luke 10:8 If you enter a town and they welcome you, eat whatever is set before you. Why are you telling to avoid sugary items ?

          //And mildly warm water.That is small request they make. Otherwise they never refuse what you give.

          They don’t make request , they will go in to kitchen and themselves make warm water. No decency of asking. I had a experience where Aaka without asking me to make, she pushed me and was using my kitchen to make warm water for elder. Such a worst indecent act.

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        4. Oh come on dear Elina, I know the gluttonous white clad frauds of TPM who fight for food. Do you think that in headquarters trainees are provided steam-hot food? No! Then why these frauds hold some positions, demand that their food must be served hot & fresh?
          You said that these saints are trying to eat & drink whatever is served to them. They just want little warm water & food or drinks with less sugar. Why such demands also? Do you know what did Jesus say to His disciples while sending them to mission field? “Whenever you go into a town and people welcome you eat whatever they serve you.” (Luke 10:8). Dear Elina, your saints who talk much about divine healing, where is their faith in this regard?

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      3. Dear Surya
        You baby in Christianity crying again.

        // @ Aka who pushed you and herself warmed water for elders //

        Why crying over small push? Ae you blind to see how noble she was? She wanted you to sit at feet of saints and listen words of god. But you crying without understanding. Read Deuteronomy 33:3  ” all his saints are in thy hand: and they SAT DOWN AT THEY FEET; every one shall receive of thy words.” 

        Learn to sit at saints feet and become Mary. Give kitchen keys to Noble aka and let her do sacrificial Martha role. Don’t they have right to your kitchen if they serve you spiritual food (I Corinthians 9:4 ,11)?

        It is my humble request to you. Ask sorry to that Noble aka and ask her to give you a big push next time. When saints afflict us, it is for our goodness.

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        1. Hi Elina Elder in TPM Christianity

          You have not answered all my questions my dear elder !!! Why so ?
          Since I am baby christian why can’t you answer everything Elina ?

          // Why crying over small push? Ae you blind to see how noble she was? She wanted you to sit at feet of saints and listen to words of god.
          According to me any sorting of pushing is not noble. I don’t consider any sort of dominance as good. Moreover, Mary was directly sitting at Jesus’ feet to listen. Jesus is alive to me. I don’t call anybody a saint who gets tithe, commit adultery, homosexuality and lust after beliver women. May be TPM and elders like you accept them as saints.
          (Hebrew 12:24 , 1 Timothy 2:5) .
          Don’t they have right to your kitchen if they serve you spiritual food (I Corinthians 9:4 ,11)?
          Only if they give unadulerated gospel of Christ I can consider as spiritual food. I cannot consider all the man made doctrines of these tpm employees as food even .

          //It is my humble request to you. Ask sorry to that Noble aka and ask her to give you a big push next time. When saints afflict us, it is for our goodness.
          If you are so much interested you can meet her in Chennai convention. Her name is Chithra. She is assistant of sister Alice. You can ask sorry to her and worship her feet. Hope that will cool your mind Elina !!!! Elder name for whom the warm water was prepared was Bro. Jebaraj. It was a fasting prayer at that time in our house. Hope these details are enough. It happened before 3 years i think. But these sisters are in still posted in IBR , Chennai.

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        2. @ Ang elina….your responses are awesome, keep it coming please as it is helping ignorant folks like me to me look at the Bible from a different perspective.

          “When saints afflict us, it is for our goodness” you are right….as per TPM, it teaches humility.

          For laughs I used to watch Swami Nithiyananthan, now your comments keep me in good humour.

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      4. Dear Elina,
        Your revelation is awesome and I am sure it’s not from God but from the devil. Where have you borrowed this revelation from? I think this revelation is preached by the white clads (devil’s agents).

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  2. @three servants of God, – Apachen, Amachi, & Aaka.
    What an amazing DISCOVERY by this soul!
    This shows the spirit of AA still haunts the beast called CPM,not ony the Sri Lanka and its UPCOUNTRY places like KANDY/NEWARALIA and it goes viral into all its close associates . Beware of this beast@

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  3. This soul (Elina)should definitely go through the article appeared in this site-of which this extract is found—-”
    “Then How did Luke put in HATE instead of comparative Love as mentioned in Matthew?
    To understand this, we again need to apply the same rule of hermeneutics.
    Let Scripture Interpret Scripture. Therefore now let us turn to look how the Bible tells us about another incident where comparative love is evident.

    Genesis 29:30-31 “And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.

    Hating Family?31 And when the Lord saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren”

    Please pay attention to the highlighted texts in the above scripture passage. In the first verse(30), it mentions a higher comparative love for Rachel than for Leah. In the Second verse (31) the same comparative love is worded as hate. It’s quite easy for us to understand that Jacob loved Rachel More than Leah which is considered as “Hate” in the next verse. This same pattern is followed in the Gospels where Matthew is telling about Comparative Love and Luke uses the word “Hate”. Therefore, let us understand that the word “Hate” is interchangeable with reverse order of “love more than” phrase when it comes to comparative love.

    So in simple terms, ALL DISCIPLES should have higher love towards Jesus when considered with other members of one’s family. God does not want you to be confused with these kinds of scripture twists perfected by TPM Ministers. Beware of such deceptions used at you.

    Let us follow the Lord and his Apostles as we see in the Bible. Be not Deceived by any erroneous doctrines.

    John 19:26-27 “When Jesus, therefore, saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.”

    In the above passage, we can see the love and concern for his mother, even though he was GOD incarnate.

    1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

    Paul Calls TPM Ministers as worse than an infidel. Why would you want to be following their erroneous ways?

    We know of Parents of TPM Ministers in very bad conditions because they are not funded by their progeny. Somehow the mission has been successful in deluding parents into accepting their fate. Unfortunately they think that working for a human organization is working for GOD.

    Hear the Truth and Follow. Question wrong teachings and Study your Bibles before you accept any nonsense coming from the pulpit.

    God Bless you.”
    Extracted from the article DOCTRINAL ISSUES
    “Hating Family? – Gross Misinterpretation by TPM
    November 3, 2016 – by admin -”

    Hence beware of these souls that roam around the high places of KANDY /NEWARALIA where the spirit of Elina goes around to sway the PEOPLE away from knowing the truth.

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  4. This soul ElNino needs a differennt type of treatment,thats’ nothing but
    “With a mighty voice, he shouted: “‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’ She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal. Revelation 18:2
    And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. Revelation 18:4”

    Be Blessed

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    1. I am sure Elina is having a good laugh… It looks satirical and not a brainwash.

      Her very comments put TPM in a spot of bother.

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  5. @ADMN”Pastor Andrew who collapsed and died preaching in the Dubai Convention.”
    Dear brother ADMN,this is a news to me.
    Is he the same one who was once ruler of MALAYSIA /TPM that got demotion as centre asst and was expressly transferred to MATTAKKULIA centre in the year 2017.?He has been languishing there since then. Abraham Matthew was his best friend being both are Malaysian born.

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    1. I think you are right in your analysis. His full name as per my information is Andrew Packianathan aged 72 years. His photo is also uploaded in this comment.

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  6. Yeah, he is the same one whom I meant.
    As a head for Malaysia,he built a new big auditorium like church with the ventillation glass windows full of Anglican type architecture when I attended the MALAY con in 2016.There ,it was a bit commotion in the church after seeing this architecture. Obviously he wanted to give a shape of Anglican Church so that the western people who are working in MALAYSIA could be attracted to attend this church. But alas it got boomeranged. Pas.Luke was sent there ,and he was sent to SriLanka.
    Obviously this act of introducing the new type of Anglican architecture angered the then CP Stephen, who acted rather swiftly got him transfered to MATTAKULIA, and gave him persona-non-grata, status there.Over him some one was appointed as CENTRE incharge at MATTAKKULIA.Then after A.Matthew ‘s time has come, he got a lee way to move around . Rest is the history.
    Thank you for the illustrated news.

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      1. Nice building, poor guy did not give Late Stephen Anna his cut and as a result was shunted to Lanka. What a sick organisation!

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  7. @ ADMN Bro.Yeah this is the same Red Church building that got him demoted .
    When Ps Luke was transferred there , he particularly pasted inside ventilation portions ( as we see in the photo ) with the BIBLE VERSES so as to give an impression that what all Anglican look given by his predecessor made was completely undone!
    That remodeled status was also seen by me again in 2018 in my second visit to Malay con.when the new team has taken over the reigns– AM,MT,JAYAM.
    That was my last but one CON .
    Now that I got completely redeemed from this CULT activities ,I was really rejoicing in the Lord.
    All glory be God.

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  8. This is in reference to the article
    “Church Of Satan vs the Cursed Organization”, Dated: September 29/2019
    Ref: https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2019/09/29/church-of-satan-vs-the-cursed-organization/

    Your Content is defamatory and Libelous in nature, and you are requested to furnish proof (Tangible and Relevant) for the following
    ,“As per sources within TPM, this KATTA VENUS is a terrible LESBIAN. Anybody with a little common sense can understand that being a lesbian what could be the demand of this VENUS from the juniors. She is not an exception. There are many others who are lesbians and have raped sisters. Few other Lesbians which you may know are Sweetlin Brinda, Shobhana who was transferred to Coimbatore from Bangalore, Leena Mathew the Translator in Bangalore and many more(we have a long list). NANCY was well educated and doing a good job with good package before joining this horrible cult. I don’t think that she came with any kind of chronic disease to have such an early death. This is nothing but the mental torture received from the cruel hand of the monster VENUS. During her stay with this monster, she underwent some cruel treatments and she had narrated the ordeal to her close confidants.”

    Your statements above, are tantamount to criminal Defamation U/s 499 and 500 of the Indian Penal Code. And are punishable with imprisonment of over 2 years and a fine. Speculative Accusations of Rape (which is a serious offence) and making general accusations of rape not based on any evidence is a serious offence

    Additionally making statements with regards to a person’s sexuality without their consent or that which they have not acknowledged or denied, is also subject to the laws of defamation which this article is guilty of.
    I personally know one of those whom you accuse, for over a period of 10 years, and your statements are disgusting and wholly untrue
    Additionally, You are legally responsible for every statement you make on a public forum regardless of whether you made the statement or are merely posting somebody else’s statement verbatim, and you are not liable to claim intermediary liability (as a blog/ Website) under the Information technology Act of 2000 as you have violated the basic conditionals of it thereof

    Please Note
    You are being given a time period of 3 days till the 15th of November 2019, 11:59 PM IST, to either amend the article and take down the libellous and defamatory content, and issue an apology

    Failing which we will file a case for criminal defamation, for this article, and you will be called before a police station to give your statement and will be asked to produce your source who be called as well to verify such a statement (by providing relevant evidence for the same according to the law.)
    We are willing to relentlessly pursue this grave matter to the fullest extent of the law and are more than glad to bring this issue to a trial if you choose to contest the issue before a court of Law.

    The Following Conditions are to be met :
    1) relevant evidence here can be documentary or oral evidence as relevant according to sec 5- 32 of the Indian Evidence Act ( please note that Hearsay evidence is neither relevant nor admissible. and your article is rife with hearsay evidence)
    2) In the event of failure to produce relevant evidence, the following must be undertaken
    a) the article: “Church Of Satan vs the Cursed Organization”, September 29/2019
    Ref: https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2019/09/29/church-of-satan-vs-the-cursed-organization/
    must be deleted and archived
    b) A fresh article with reference to the aforementioned article in averment 3 (a) must be created with the following particulars,
    -An apology for making defamatory and libellous statements.
    -A clarification that such statement was made without any legal evidence and an acknowledgement that such statement caused mental harm to the persons involved, damaged their reputation and the making of such a statement in an irresponsible way on a public forum was highly negligent
    -The apology must contain the above in verbatim
    – yours Sincerely

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    1. //Your Content is defamatory and Libelous in nature, and you are requested to furnish proof (Tangible and Relevant) for the following
      ,“As per sources within TPM, this KATTA VENUS is a terrible LESBIAN. Anybody with a little common sense can understand that being a lesbian what could be the demand of this VENUS from the juniors. She is not an exception. There are many others who are lesbians and have raped sisters. Few other Lesbians which you may know are Sweetlin Brinda, Shobhana who was transferred to Coimbatore from Bangalore, Leena Mathew the Translator in Bangalore and many more(we have a long list). NANCY was well educated and doing a good job with good package before joining this horrible cult. I don’t think that she came with any kind of chronic disease to have such an early death. This is nothing but the mental torture received from the cruel hand of the monster VENUS. During her stay with this monster, she underwent some cruel treatments and she had narrated the ordeal to her close confidants.”

      Wow, indeed a threat. I was busy so could not reply earlier.
      Now that you want Tangible and relevant proof. I personally think it would not be right to post those things here. But yes we do not refer to anybody’s name to defame anyone unless we have TANGIBLE AND RELEVANT PROOF.
      Some of them are videos some mails and some from other forms of communications. In case you think we are bluffing, you are mistaken. We have not published the proof because once we publish, it becomes a cognizable offence and anybody could trouble these people and few of your white clads could face a very bad future in the hands of the law. Moreover, TPM could stink to high heavens. Now I also do not want to leave you thinking that we are just empty vessels. Therefore, we decided to post some initial sections of the main communication from one of the Victims of Sweetlin Brinda (One of the ladies referred to in the para). Her name is withheld and few critical details are also withheld.


      From: Cxxxx Exxxxx Wxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
      Sent: 04 December 2016 23:45
      To: admin@fromtpm.com
      Subject:

      Hi brother,

      I wouldn’t like to mention my name. But however, I would like to mention one incident that personal happen to me. I’m a female. So it was like about 8 years ago . I met this sister called sweetlin Brindha.​ She was a singer and looked to be a very nice lady. So we came to know each other in a couple of months. I had visited her once at trichy. During my visit, she was very close to me. And before I cus leave she pulled me close and kisses on my lips. I was a lil shocked and left that place. Later on, wen asked her she told me her mom usta kiss her so she tol I’m her child. So I lived her too like a mom and a sister.​ I shared all my concerns and she would pray for me. She kept telling me that since she lost her loving brother in a accident she has no siblings and I was her sister. I believed Al her stories and truly loved her. She was like everything to me. Slowly , she pulled me to physical relation in name of Love.​ When I asked her is it wrong she would say , it’s just love. I knew it was wrong. Buh however, obliged cus I loved her. And also feared if she wud comment this sin with another person. She always wud brood about sex.​ And how it happen. She wud inquire bout all this now and then. I used to hesitate cus ef she knew some safe way of sex , she might commit at sin. Though she pretended to love. She had a lot of connections with other brothers. She would call them from believers mobile and lot more stuff. She kept the centre pastors under control buy talking very sweetly.​ I remember she usta to spend hours together in tat centre pastor room. When asked wat ur doing ter , she wud say he’s holding me ter. Centre pastor of trichy is a big fraud. He usta to talk bout sex to this sister now and then. I always had a doubt wy is this akka talking to slp brothers like this. She some how managed to get a gud name from ppl. Recently, Tey had plans of moving her abroad. Cus she was soo gud. Before leaving she kinda started in goring me. Asked wy she said I’m moving abroad so I might not keep in touch with u. I was hurt. It had affected me. Ter were couple of incidents happened after that. Which destroyed me. I loved her so much . Al she needed was my body nd things I get her. She usta to ask few brothers nd blivers too. It’s been 8 months I’m struggling out of this trauma.​ I realise my mistakes. But I chose to inform all this to the head sister kumari nd grilsilta.​ My pastor too spoke to them. I had written a confession letter. Some cards nd pics we took together.​ Not sure wat has happened.​ She shud not be left free brother. She might spoil many life’s like how she did to me. Either she shud repent or sent out of ministry.

      Let me know if we can do something .

      Sister in Christ.​


      From: Cxxxx Exxxxx Wxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
      Sent: 07 December 2016 12:17
      To: admin@fromtpm.com
      Subject: RE:

      Hi brother,​

      I have written a confession letter to them. sent a copy of it to Pas. Abraham Matthew with some pics and cards she has written to me.​

      We had several calls made to them. I’m a witness myself. My pastor has spoken to them so he’s an evidence as well. we can pitch in whenever needed. But please let’s do it wisely. I know how these flip with issues.​

      I myself , see plenty of workers playing around with blivers life. They themselves anti and not fit to be counselling people and families. Not sure where the holiness gone. why do they come to ministry and while away time. they see the luxury given here and pass their time.

      I’m sorry for the spell mistakes here and other.​ I’m jus typing things in a hurry.

      Thanks again for your help.​

      Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


      From: Cxxxx Exxxxx Wxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
      Sent: 09 December 2016 08:48
      To: admin@fromtpm.com
      Subject: RE:

      Hi Brother ,

      Please find the answers below

      .​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Apporoximate year/month this happened – From 2011 to 2016( I. e) until late she left to IBR. Place we understand is Trichy. Please let us know if you want to add some more specifics with the Mother In charge and some Senior Sisters at that place. – Pratiyyur, Centre Faith home. Elder sisters kept changing so ain’t sure. But sisters like Kavitha knew we were close and she would accompany us wen we went outside. Like the usta say visiting and I would join them later. We visited malls and all restaurants.
      Please tell us the name of the Centre Pastor who you mentioned was a sexual pervert.
      – Rajendran current in trichy. He usta to ask this sister about sex, her breast size. Before she left trichy, he offered he the laptop to watch porn saying ur are leaving abroad so see all this so u don’t get tempted.​ Yuck bastard.
      A picture of the sister concerned. If it is a picture with you also in it, we will remove you from that pic – I’m a lil not OK with this. Hope u understand. But u can mention her name. Very well know there. Because she usta to sing for international conventions along with sister shyla and sister christy.​ This lady is Sis. Sweetlin Brindha.
      Who is your current Pastor. I understand that you are no more with TPM. Am I right – I have never been TPM believer at all. I’m from AG. But TPM is known to me cus I have a lot of people who are ter as blivers.
      What is your current location? – **********.
      Apart from Pastor Abraham Matthew who else is privy to this thing. Can you please name the rest of the folks? – Sister Kumari and Sis. Grsilda.
      Here u go ! Hope it suffices.

      Thanks!


      So dear Brother. Do you think that I should post the rest of the TANGIBLE and RELEVANT EVIDENCE?

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    2. lonchaneyagnes@gmail.com

      Are you intimating that if your conditions are not met then one among this lot (Katta Venus, Sweetlin Brinda, Shobhana who was transferred to Coimbatore from Bangalore, Leena Mathew the Translator in Bangalore) will sign on the papers for filing defamation suit ?
      Well you first try getting permission from Abraham Matthew for allowing the aforementioned person(s) to pursue a Case.

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    3. @ lonchaneyagnes
      Please do it. It will give fromtpm much needed advertisement. Eagerly waiting for you to bite instead of barking.

      @ readers
      I want someone to write to ndtv, or other national media house to start a series on Indian babas and the exploitation of innocent people in the name of religion, and start episodes with TPM. Let them see blind bhakts like lonchaneyagnes. Maybe netflix, BBC, or Amazon prime will be interested to make a documentary on weird cult of tpm. I know there are few documentaries on such cults, prime among them being of OSHO on Netflix. But documentary on weird cult of tpm will beat them all by miles.

      Some points of interest for them, I believe will be as follows,

      1) A group which has taken so many lives by influencing people to not to consume medicine, or to go to a hospital. Tactics of tpm must also be exposed in generating social pressure on members, by refusing to conduct funerals of a person who has been to a hospital. Mentioning also how leaders of tpm, publically humiliate its members by witholding them from partaking in public religious ceremony like communion, if he or she has consumed a pill, to cure his fever or headache, thus declaring him as a sinner publically.

      On one hand the celebrities of world donate medicines as charity, the weird cult of tpm proclaims it as sin.

      It must also be highlighted that there are innumerable medical practising professionals in tpm as its members, especially nurses, who earn their daily bread and butter from hospital industry, especially in gulf and outside India. It is with these people’s hard earned money, that tpm white clads earn a lavish comfortable life and purchases property all over the world. Yet the hypocrites call it a sin.

      A special mention must be made about hypocrisy of it’s leaders like Shyam sunder, and many like him, who used medical certificate to evade court case and at the same time instructs people to shun away from physician.

      And the hypocrisy of tpm leaders in consuming Amway products and protein shakes must also be mentioned. World must see the unscientific mad community of tpm.

      Would love to see a reporter asking questions on these matters to tpm Chief pastors, while filming documentary.

      2) A group which makes weird noises without any meaning. A video showcasing all tpm tarrying meeting acrobatics of kick dancing. How by loud noises these group disturb neighbors every week in every part of nation, contributing to national noise pollution. How their conventions breach sound limits, without taking note of trouble caused to students and medical patients who live nearby. A group so selfish which has no consideration for it’s neighbors but still it’s bling bhakts proclaim that their leaders are so sacrificial.

      3) A group having dexterity to influence youths to join their organization and employ them as personal servants, making them wash their clothes, cook food for them, drive their vehicles and so on and assume they are serving God. Analysis of literacy rate of its ministers will reveal that instead of asking youths to study, these people are cunningly influencing youths to stop studying and become their personal slaves. Then a note must be made on how leaders of tpm burn certificates and personal records of people who join them so that it becomes impossible to exit the grip of their bondage, once a youth is caught in it’s net.

      4) A group which is number one in spreading religious bigotry and intolerance among Indian christians, by prohibiting its members from attending other church services, marrying christians from other churches, reading books from other church publication, celebrating christian festival of Christmas, and Easter and so on. How they isolate people from Indian social community by instructing it’s members to not attend birthday parties, picnics and events of celebrations with other Indians. A group which controls people by asking them not to see TV, sports, and instead of it, keep attending their groups gatherings intended to keep the brainwashing continued.

      5) An group which has white color as uniform, which publically gives excessive stress on holiness, but then it has innumerable cases of reported sexual immoralities, murder, frequent eloping incidents, and other evils. Mentioning that it is in blood of tpm, that right from it’s inception it’s Chief leader Alwyn was excommunicated for works of sexual perversion with female workers.

      6) A religious group who has achieved expertize in art of of using legal loophole to evade tax by calling itself charity organization. And list of tpm address book to show how much property this organization has accumulated throughout length and breadth of this nation and also worldwide, and still declare itself as monks and hermits.

      A documentary on cult of tpm will be the best way, we should have started much earlier. Let the lonchaneyagnes begin work of publicity for fromtpm, and I am sure Netflix or bbc or NDTV or any other national media will consider to make documentarily on cult of tpm.

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    4. lonchaneyagnes@gmail.com

      In that case, all journalists and media houses will be under lock-down if ‘Criminal Defamation’ is used as a tool to silence and snub social activists, who wish to reform anti-social practices in the name of religion?

      Why not a similar case against Alwyn and his henchmen? His apologetics too?

      What about the thousands of young workers who die within a year of joining the cult due to inhuman treatment?
      What about justice for those who belatedly realised that they are serving ISIS and wish to return home? Will you act on behalf of ISIS or on behalf of social reforms that aim to integrate the brainwashed into mainstream society? TPM is ISIS in every sense. Do you want proof?

      What is your stand on child labour, women’s rights, freedom of speech? Are you not a willing participant and an agency to criminal tendencies, in the very letter?

      Young workers, both male and female feel very unsafe within the sacred compound walls of TPM.
      It could be due to either sexual predators (colleagues) or the threat of outside vandals who are acting on behest of silencing victims.

      Deaths need to be investigated and you can begin by issuing a defamation against forced ‘divine healing’, ‘fasting’, ‘prohibition of sanitary items like pads, or even toothpaste’, forcing others to kneel down as punishment, public humiliation, using the mic and pulpit as a tool to issue hate speeches against other Christian denominations.

      The very concept of faith home is deceptive and is a burden on the state. The government wants people to study and work hard and contribute to the GDP growth, whereas a bunch of self styled monks who are running a scam in the name of ‘Charity organisation’ canvas in every meeting that we should sell our children at the altar of TPM by sending them to become ‘Workers’ and possibly future perverts. Behind every pervert is a history of shame, pain and sadistic pleasure.
      Are you saying that all this is okay, as long as it does not become a national/ international issue?

      We have contacts with Human Rights groups at an international level, so you can do what you think best, (to use threats to silence the voice of victims), we will continue to support the admin and other fellow victims. Remember, I am a victim too.

      So don’t you dare mess with me.

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  9. This site is fighting a case for the Kingdom of God. It is cautioning the people who are caught in the trap of DECEPTION (i.e.TPM). Such articles are mandatory to prove the real colours of the cult to the gullible. It’s a caution for those who are having thoughts to join the so called 144000 bandwagon of TPM. I personally know many who were good but the monster TPM through time degraded them.
    Since you (Mr. lonchaneyagnes@gmail.com) are close to one of the person mentioned in the article. Please do inform her that there is a way out for her as she would be thinking that it’s the end of the road for her since they joined TPM clergy. Please show her the following verse:
    1 Cor:7: 9
    But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

    Sister Shobhana who was transferred to Coimbatore (mentioned in the article) while in Goa FH used to slip away from her room after the 10-11pm praising and would surface back at 3 am. When the junior sister enquired she used to say that she was praying in the hall. However the junior sister never heard any voice of praying from the “light off dark hall”. The truth was that she used to be in the room with the Brother-in-charge. Now it’s for anyone to guess what they were doing inside the room every night. Maybe PRAYING………..OOPS PLAYING TOGETHER. I can name the Brother in Charge …. But promise me that you will not use him to file a defamation suit…..LOL
    Further……. against her will she was transferred to a nearby local faith home in Goa. She was not in good terms with her new brother- in- charge and that poor young Brother very soon died. Thereafter Shobhana was transferred to Coimbatore.
    AGAIN I QUOTE SCRIPTURES….ITS BETTER TO MARRY THAN TO BURN (and commit fornication) and instead of collecting signatures from the people mentioned in the article for filing defamation suit…pls help them see the light.

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    1. @Liberated

      Oh, I definitely agree on the whole celibacy thing being extremely destructive, honestly one only need to look at the Catholic church or TPM xD to understand that forced Celibacy can lead to some very bad results.
      Like St. Paul said to be celibate only if you can, or else, by all means, go ahead and marry, (1 Cor:7: 9) , being celibate as a requirement to serve God seems extremist and distortion of scripture

      I have no qualms about Obliterating the doctrines of the church or shredding their policies and I believe that this website has every right to do so.
      But What concerns me is that many of the articles posted on this website carry statements that might not be grounded in solid evidence.
      We cannot deny the possibility that much of the information on this website comes from personal accounts and hearsay, and hearsay can never be verified, so I honestly believe that care must be taken when statements are made about a person’s reputation, and caution should be exercised. Statments should be provided with proof.
      The Admin posting Email Transcripts about sister Brinda was far more convincing than merely referring to them as sources.

      Best Regard
      Lonchaneyagnes

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  10. Dear Administrator,

    Thank you for providing proof, the evidence you have provided seems intriguing at the very least.
    Please bear with me as this comment is going to be a little long, as I hope to provide some context, with what seemed to be a threatening letter.

    1) I personally disagree with much of the doctrine of the church and refuse to blindly stand by much of the Churches policy, and will never condone the disgraceful incidents which have taken place behind the scenes.

    I have been reading the content on this blog for a really long time and have never commented ever until this post, and as a non-fanatical member of the TPM church, I definitely agree that the whole ZIon doctrine or much of the divine healing doctrines make no sense, nor do I agree with their Deification of Workers and their unquestionable status(seemed a bit like Stalinist Russia) , or the random interpretations of texts of the Bible and I’ve never stood by them.

    I do agree with a lot of the underlying points this website makes, and I see the mission behind it since I believe that what goes on in the darkness must be held accountable, although I don’t agree with the Rhetoric in these articles, I see the point nonetheless.

    But at the same time, I’ve also seen genuine believers of Christ, good people, who are truly Christian, I cannot justify the actions of the church, to be honest, I couldn’t care less whether the church stood or capitulated since I understand our end goal is Christ, And if history is a marker TPM is definitely on the path to a major breakup, considering the ultimate fate of Denominations past , like the Anabaptist’s, the Preschism Catholic church, the Puritans, the Calvinists or even the old school Lutherans.

    However, my major contention with this blog is the publication of material against individuals, I’m sincerely disturbed by the calling out of workers of the mission, yes some of them are no doubt guilty of the accusations, but others are definitely innocent, and it is a principle of law that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise.

    Now I understand that you cannot provide evidence on the level of a courtroom, however, as Christians, it should be our paramount responsibility to publish articles with the highest standard of evidence.

    I will not compel you to furnish any further evidence against sister Brindha as I have no connection to this person, and if the accusations are true, it is sexual abuse of the highest order and I can never condone such a despicable act. You’re right that it becomes a cognizable offence but if the evidence is true it must be pursued nonetheless as her act is not an internal issue, but a crime against the state, and we must not shield predators.

    However, the person I am defending is one of the others, I would definitely request you to post the evidence in full if possible about them, or Remove their names, which is being brought in conjunction with this sister Brindha.

    I and my family can personally vouch for Sister Leena Mathew, and we believe that statements of her being a predator is wholly untrue, she is a true Christian and has been like a family member to us, as stated before I don’t believe in any reverence to workers beyond them being Christian brothers and Sisters, but it would be unjust if I didn’t mention her love care and support to us in extremely difficult times. It is in this regard that I posted the above comment on libel and defamation, It is not to defend TPM but a person whom I personally know, and can vouch for.

    I hope you understand that I was genuinely outraged by the blog accusing her, and I almost completed filing a criminal complaint today, but only stopped short of it as we knew that the church would probably never let her get involved in legal matters.

    Best Regards
    Lon Chaney Agnes

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    1. //However, the person I am defending is one of the others, I would definitely request you to post the evidence in full if possible about them or Remove their names, which is being brought in conjunction with this sister Brindha.

      Dear Lon Chaney Agnes,
      If you think we are doing things here by just Hearsay, you are mistaken. The materials in the comments section can be classified as hearsay. However, once it appears in the article, it has solid proofs and witnesses. We have living witnesses and all of them alive. Did talk with them yesterday and they confirmed that they can come to any courtroom and give their testimony. All of these witnesses are Woman. We do not want to demean anybody. However, when deaths occur, we cannot stand back. We need to open up sometimes. When we do that, we doubly make sure that our evidence can stand trial.
      If you request we can remove names. However, Apology and all those things are for ones who make vain accusations without any backing.
      I can tell you that Leena Mathew case is NOT Untrue and we have TANGIBLE and RELEVANT Proof. Not sure where did you get the Predator part for Leena. What we said is that her sexual adventures are out in the open. It’s just out of goodwill for young women stuck in the ministry we have stopped in the boundary. So with threat emails/comment like this, you should know that you might be opening up a can of worms where TPM and their Authorities will dread to go.

      Warm Regards
      Admin

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    2. @Lon Chaney Agnes

      I appreciate your zeal in wanting to defend the image/reputation of a worker sister but I’m disappointed that you don’t have the same zeal to defend Christ when an organisation like TPM is using His Name to lie, kill, defraud, abuse and fool thousands of people over so many years.

      You appear to know that many things are wrong with TPM but you don’t want to use your resources to free the women and children trapped in this satanic system. I think the Admin is a better man than many of us, so please if you cannot help him, please do not be a hindrance.

      Many “once upon a time TPM fools” like me have benefited immensely by this site and if you are a true child of God, please stop nitpicking and see the whole picture.

      All the best in your quest to file charges, it will be a blessing in disguise for the trapped women as this hidden cult will be in the open and hopefully, God will use it to liberate them from this slavery.

      When everything is said and done, only what you did for Christ will remain, not what you did for TPM, so my friend, chose wisely.

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  11. Dear Nath,

    Thank you for pointing out that I am a Bakht.

    It is true that I am a dogmatic sheep, that follows the church without an IOTA of thought.

    I would love to partner up with Netflix or HBO but I would honestly prefer Amazon Prime as my host platform and I hope to produce a documentary called “White and White”
    – When I become CHief Pastor I hope to rid the world of all artificial products , forget medicines, I will mandate that no artificial food be allowed, all food must be grown on campus.
    We will spin our own clothes
    follow our own Calendar
    Decree the earth is flat
    and declare that if you believe in climate change you will go to hell

    Furthermore, all Believers cannot have jobs and will have to work as my personal servants, There will be mandatory salsa dancing from 3-4 Am.

    All kidding aside, please find described below my new comment in response to the admin for further clarification on my earlier statement.

    Dear Administrator,

    “Thank you for providing proof, the evidence you have provided seems intriguing at the very least.
    Please bear with me as this comment is going to be a little long, as I hope to provide some context, with what seemed to be a threatening letter.

    1) I personally disagree with much of the doctrine of the church and refuse to blindly stand by much of the Churches policy, and will never condone the disgraceful incidents which have taken place behind the scenes.

    I have been reading the content on this blog for a really long time and have never commented ever until this post, and as a non-fanatical member of the TPM church, I definitely agree that the whole ZIon doctrine or much of the divine healing doctrines make no sense, nor do I agree with their Deification of Workers and their unquestionable status(seemed a bit like Stalinist Russia) , or the random interpretations of texts of the Bible and I’ve never stood by them.

    I do agree with a lot of the underlying points this website makes, and I see the mission behind it since I believe that what goes on in the darkness must be held accountable, although I don’t agree with the Rhetoric in these articles, I see the point nonetheless.

    But at the same time, I’ve also seen genuine believers of Christ, good people, who are truly Christian, I cannot justify the actions of the church, to be honest, I couldn’t care less whether the church stood or capitulated since I understand our end goal is Christ, And if history is a marker TPM is definitely on the path to a major breakup, considering the ultimate fate of Denominations past , like the Anabaptist’s, the Preschism Catholic church, the Puritans, the Calvinists or even the old school Lutherans.

    However, my major contention with this blog is the publication of material against individuals, I’m sincerely disturbed by the calling out of workers of the mission, yes some of them are no doubt guilty of the accusations, but others are definitely innocent, and it is a principle of law that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise.

    Now I understand that you cannot provide evidence on the level of a courtroom, however, as Christians, it should be our paramount responsibility to publish articles with the highest standard of evidence.

    I will not compel you to furnish any further evidence against sister Brindha as I have no connection to this person, and if the accusations are true, it is sexual abuse of the highest order and I can never condone such a despicable act. You’re right that it becomes a cognizable offence but if the evidence is true it must be pursued nonetheless as her act is not an internal issue, but a crime against the state, and we must not shield predators.

    However, the person I am defending is one of the others, I would definitely request you to post the evidence in full if possible about them, or Remove their names, which is being brought in conjunction with this sister Brindha.

    I and my family can personally vouch for Sister Leena Mathew, and we believe that statements of her being a predator is wholly untrue, she is a true Christian and has been like a family member to us, as stated before I don’t believe in any reverence to workers beyond them being Christian brothers and Sisters, but it would be unjust if I didn’t mention her love care and support to us in extremely difficult times. It is in this regard that I posted the above comment on libel and defamation, It is not to defend TPM but a person whom I personally know, and can vouch for.

    I hope you understand that I was genuinely outraged by the blog accusing her, and I almost completed filing a criminal complaint today, but only stopped short of it as we knew that the church would probably never let her get involved in legal matters.

    Best Regards
    Lon Chaney Agnes

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    1. @ LonChaneyAgnes
      I believe that the proposed “white and white – when I become Chief pastor” will be in fantasy category and not in documentary category, and no one will give damn look at it as long it is a lone persuit of aLONe CHAN AGNES.

      Anyways I suggest you to use virtual reality induced hallucinations as ultra modern therapy for receiving new deeper revelations. You will far surpass Alwyn for sure. 😜

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      1. I hope you understand that I was being sarcastic ,
        I’m trying to point out the absurdity of the TPM doctrines by exaggerating them to an unreal level …..

        -my husband told me not to post this , he was sure people wouldn’t get it !

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  12. @ the lawyer,

    You can start off by pointing to the mission that they cannot keep workers under control. They are free to leave and when they leave, they should get access to family, telephone, a one way ticket or even possibly legal resources. Then I will respect the mission, until then its an asylum that manufactures zombie minds.
    Their families should be encouraged to receive them, instead of ostracizing the victim and the entire family.
    The mission also discourages its cult members from donating to any charity or governmental relief fund, saying that all monies should be channeled through the enabling hands of the mission chiefs.

    Rich believers are discouraged from helping poor ones directly… They ask that the help should be channeled through them only.

    Its only 15 -20 years since the mission changed its outlook on voting and national anthem. Prior to that, those who cast their ballots were considered as outlaws and respecting the national anthem/ flag etc was considered akin to bowing before the golden image.
    I guess that changed because more and more political connections increased and have banded well with the cult.

    If you consider yourself a responsible lawyer, perhaps you can study the faith-home set up, from the judicial and constitutional angle.

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    1. Not a lawyer , but I do sufficiently know about the process , my husband is one though !

      Honestly the mission has rules and policies that are unbiblical at best , and plain dictatorial at worst

      I completely agree with you on how there is almost a Stalinist Russia level of control on workers , and the rules they live under is insane , and is violative of the constitution , believe me when I say that a majority of the people already realise this.

      But no one can help anybody because of the system of ostracism

      Perhaps the Lord alone can help them

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      1. I know Leena’s family quite well. She was from Mangalore right.

        She was a good and zealous child unto the servants of God.

        Ma’am, things change quickly once you get trapped into the system

        Remember the parable of the leaven?

        All it takes for a good person to lose the culture and spirituality ingrained in at an early age, is bad company.

        Sadly faith homes are the nurseries of pervasive behaviour.

        No one wants to gossip about this sister or that brother because eventually we are all brothers and sisters in Christ

        I hope you will do much more than filing a complaint against the website
        If you really care, send her secular counsellors and let her stay at home until then

        She will see the difference

        If she were my sister, I would not be wasting time on commentaries
        I would have fought for her soul and happiness in a way only a family member would

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  13. @Lon Chaney Agnes,
    I am a regular visitor of this site for many years now. Do you think admin brother/sister is a coward? Earlier also I had seen the threatening comments of defamation against admin. That time also he/she was coolly answered and even challenged one of them to go to court with defamation. I know you are not the first one and you will not be the last one also with such rhetoric because this site is very strongly rubbing at their wrong end.

    When someone pointed out the deeds of your beloved Leena, you became furious. Did you confirm the veracity of the statements with her? Naturally she will say an emphatic NO. It seems from many testimonies and comments of this site, such deeds are the survival tactics inside theses fake homes. Otherwise it is almost impossible to continue in this white sepulcher organisation.

    I think you have come to know through the “Liberated” that you cannot file defamation on the behalf of a third party. pinne, olapampu kanichu pedippikkaruthe.

    May GOD help you with the correct discerning of scripture.

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    1. Please don’t take this in the wrong way but You can file it for a third party , the court can take suo motto cognisance if it feels that a person is being attacked especially in cases of women and are unable to defend themselves legally , there are methods for everything it need not necessarily be under defamation.

      I’m sorry , but I have no idea what the last sentence means XD

      I’m not one who makes empty threats Either , but I read the admins comment yesterday , and the proof he/she provided , and my perception of this site changed quite a bit, in fact that’s precisely what I asked for yesterday , not just sources , there has to be some tangible evidence

      Trust me as someone who still has ties with the church most believers have written the website off as gossip ,

      However I honestly saw for the first time how people are affected , by atrocities in those emails he published

      If I were dogmatic , you would’ve seen the classic Bakht response 🙂

      Not everything is black and white someone may agree with a lot of this website , disagreee with the church , yet hold personal loyalty to a few good workers because of personal incidents (perhaps that’s not how things should be , but that is the reality we live in )
      Or there may be many disgruntled believers, but they won’t leave because , humans stick to what they are comfortable with , it’s their ingrained anthropology.

      Most people even within the church understand that eventually a collapse is coming. I think they can see the writing on the wall , maybe not today , or tomorrow but eventually

      Also , I’m not here for the church ( I couldn’t care less , here to defend the few good workers who are like family and that I personally know )

      Perhaps there’s nothing we can do but pray I guess

      Best regards
      Lon Chaney Agnes

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  14. @lonchaneyagnes

    Oh what a trap! Had Leena Matthew not been in TPM she would have been a sincere believer in Christ. But when the whole family is brainwashed …no one can help…not even her father in TPM Ministry in Kottayam.
    As far as I can assume, you are exposed to the good nature of Leena Matthews (LM) so its hard to believe such news. Even I know Katta Venus personally she used to be the best human being in our FH. But what/who changed them? We as believers are seeing only one side…what about their human feelings? They don’t become eunnuchs overnight. The enthusiasm before joining the ministry goes off sooner or later.
    The author of the article has given a hint to the people concerned to keep the people mentioned in the aforementioned article under watch as their hitherto hidden nature will soon come out and may end in cases like Nancy.
    For your kind information I would not like to tell the whole story but you can cross check with LM the following.
    1. She has in her possession a TAB which is prohibited for any workers in TPM India that she uses to watch “movies” and other entertainment programs at night.
    2. Why was she transferred from ITI Faith Home in Bangalore to Centre FH by Pr. Tambidurai? Because co workers (sisters) and belivers came to know that she was getting closer to a boy named Sam who used to frequent ITI FH for doing FH works. THERE IS NO SMOKE WITHOUT A FIRE.
    3. LM is close to Sis. Blessy Thomas in Bangalore. And please ask the workers of Bangalore centre why these two cosy up in side by side mats during conventions/ workers meetings when they get to see each other. Even some senior worker sisters have chided them. (I would not like to elaborate further on this open forum) In TPM there should be fellowship and not Friendship.
    Please ask answers from Leena Matthew regarding the above mentioned points. If you are still not satisfied I will have to get A+ certificates before elaborating.
    @ lonchaneyagnes
    Humble request…if u are really her well wisher then bring her out of the cult and ensure that she is not on a self destruction mode. I AM NOT BLAMING THE INDIVIDUAL BUT THE ORGANISATION THAT CREATES MONSTERS OUT OF THE GULLIBLE.

    Matthew 23:15 NIV
    Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

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    1. @Liberated
      I honestly don’t know what to say , It’s sad really , and I really wish there was an option for them to leave , thank you for sharing your personal account

      I hate the fact that if you join the ministry , then leaving takes a lot of courage essentially since you will have no financial resources or social support from your former church to start over again , it’s probably why many ministers who have lost their passion to serve or want to leave ,but can’t .

      Maybe somebody should speak with her , but confronting someone about their sexuality and then telling them that it’s all over the internet , can have terrible consequences on their mental health , it might cause mental trauma and may even lead them to committing suicide

      It is true that we’ve seen a very good side of her , and I guess that we can subconsciously project on them the concept that they can do no wrong

      I don’t think anyone can deny the fact the monsters have been created by the church , and I think every believer has heard of atleast one such incident

      Honestly , I’m surprised that apart from you not one person saw my point , that I honestly don’t care for the church or it’s reputation, I don’t think loyalties lie to a church or a denomination but to Christ alone , However ,

      I came on the website to Defend someone who is like family to us and perhaps I read the text to mean that they were accusing her of being a predator. I’m sure if someone were accusing a relative or a friend or someone you owe a sense of loyalty then anybody in my position would also jump to their defense

      Honestly I’ve always believed That if ministers had access to the internet , at least some of them would’ve done some form of theological research and Seen how much of the TPM doctrine makes no sense at times

      Trust me, I started to see differently because of apologetics and the Internet , or else I would’ve lost my faith in Christianity itself.

      All I can do is pray for them

      Best regards
      Lon Chaney Agnes

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      1. Hello

        I just wanted to share a link on youtube. I was touched and at the same time scared by this. If a person like David who was ” A man after God’s own heart” could fall what are we.

        The important thing is we should come back to God and God will make a way. God bless you all. I hope this video will talk to people who have already fallen and all also to those people who think they can never fall. We need Grace.

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      2. We need courage to get out of TPM as a clergy and also believer. Me and my husband left TPM last year and it’s the best decision we took in our lives. I can’t thank the admin enough for confirming my doubts on TPM. We are still treated by our family as if we left Christianity and are adulterers or something worse. My mom still refuses to tell TPM clergy in tvm that their two daughters and family has left TPM for good.
        God has given us a good Church here in Abu Dhabi.

        I don’t believe that the TPM clergy and believers don’t have access to Internet.
        Just like in any other cult they refuse to accept the truth and believe what’s been feeder to them.

        I had a dream recently of speaking to one of the sisters in TPM. She was asking me about the reason why we left and I mentioned doctrinal issues. Then I asked her softly if she was alright and ever wanted to leave, at that she broke down and says ‘yes’
        I really feel for the sisters trapped in this evil cult. Maybe you can start saving one of them at a time. I will also do so.
        Once again thanks to the good work of admin that I’m out of the box (TPM) and can look and see for myself how harmful it is. Please keep up the good work admin. Many more are to be saved.

        Rating: 5
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  15. @Lon Chaney Agnes

    I closely know a clergy sister who was defamed by the very own TPM white clads for no fault of hers. Forget about this site. TPM clergy and believers spread fake news like wild fire through word of mouth and these days you have WhatsApp. There are many sisters who are defamed by the clergy for not toeing the dictates of the Moopathy…
    I can understand your situation Brother but have u thought from the side of victims like NANCY ?
    What perturbs me is that knowing all the negativity of this monster cult you should be on fire to deliver yourself and your relatives from this cult. I was told by TPM clergy that once you receive Zion’s anointing by laying of hands of TPM chief pastor all thought of lust will flee. But I never bit the bait. But I know many who belived this and find themselves stuck in the hook.
    So as a responsible believer in Christ please lend your hand to the people who are stuck in this cult. Tell them that God will take care of them. Our God is a faithful God. And please enlighten those who are brainwashed and may soon be in the white uniform of the cult.
    Rev 18:4
    And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    Moreover it’s a sin if we continue to ignore the people in distress (with/without their knowledge)
    James 4:17
    Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    In TPM clergy sisters are used as labourers of the lowest order. Imagine a sister having to manage the daily chores of various Pastors and Brothers just like any regular housewife. As crumbs some are given the duty of singing, Bible reading and translation else all juniors are at the mercy of the filthy talking centre pastors and Incharges.

    BTW as a frequent visitor to this site I request you to kindly withdraw your threat of Nov 15 deadline.

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    1. I will not pursue the Nov 15 Deadline anymore. The Admin’s reply with email transcripts changed my mind.

      May God bring justice to the victims of abuse, I sincerely sympathise with them, they must have gone through severe trauma, I genuinely believe that God is just and that no one can get away with their crimes.

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    2. Honestly, the conversations that I had with you’ll today is finally giving me the push to walk out of this church. I don’t know why it took so long but
      It’s a scary thought, and I’m honestly considering it!

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      1. @Ionchaneyagnes
        //I will not pursue the Nov 15 Deadline anymore. The Admin’s reply with email transcripts changed my mind.//
        Thank you. Appreciate your openness in trying to unearth the truth.

        //today is finally giving me the push to walk out of this church.//
        Rev 18:4
        And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

        Amen ! The Word of God is the mightiest!!

        Please don’t forget in doing your bit to save the gullible.

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      2. @ LCA
        Don’t go out of tpm dear sister LCA. Its so depressing to see your transformation. Yesterday you were binding this fromtpm guys and putting them in prison, but today you suddenly fell on Earth. Hear the voice, it’s hard for you to kick against tpm. Don’t do it. Don’t look at faults of saints. Look at their clothes. Bible says saints are worthy to wear white ( Rev 3:4).

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      3. Praise God, looks like we have had a Damsacus experience here much to the disappointment of our dear friend Elena.

        You are next, Elena, if you are genuinely regenerated you cannot stay in TPM and be a Christian at the same time. It is Christ or TPM, the choice is yours.

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        1. @You are next, Elena

          Impossible…. I am not like this backslider LON CHAN AGNES. I want to pour my wrath on her but because I am so humble I forgive her.

          @LCA
          Its end days sister. Not everyone aware of this times. Only saints are aware of how dangerous time we live. Don’t give up the doctrines one delivered to saints. Let not new teaching of this website of 2016 shake your precious faith. Saints will make us perfect not this bunch of fromtpm children. Only eunuchs can prepare esther. You are my esther. You will not get so much love outside tpm. Only our sisters can love you. Do you want love of our saint sisters ?

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        2. @Elena,

          You need help. Hope God will have mercy on you and open your eyes to the truth and one day you will be set free from TPM’s bondage. Till then enjoy the chains of TPM’s darkness.

          Praise God I’m free just like all my fellow brethren fromtpm.com.

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        3. //Impossible…. I am not like this backslider LON CHAN AGNES. I want to pour my wrath on her but because I am so humble I forgive her.//

          You are very humble. Thank you for forgiving a “backslider” to make up her mind.

          The admin at fromtpm is not trying to stir people to leave TPM for silly reasons, but to own up decision making and not outsource to scamsters, be they in white or saffron or pink or any other fancy colour.

          I think you should continue staying in TPM until you are either truly bored or you cease to be a milch kine.

          Happy Holidays.

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  16. Also sometimes the story of the Pentecostal Mission is identical to that of the Anabaptists of Munster, Far too many parallels can be drawn to each other. I fear many good people will be caught in its death roes

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  17. @lonchaneyagnes
    “Honestly, the conversations that I had with you’ll today is finally giving me the push to walk out of this church.”
    ———————————————————————————————–
    I ‘ve been watching closely the developments that have taken place since you expressed your outrage yesterday through that threat letter.
    Wow what a total change that God brought in you lawer bro in a span of 24 hours!
    All glory be to God. Good to see the sea change in your approach now.
    Without any doubt it is God who has been proteting this site since beginning.Just like you I did walk out of this CULTish TPM since one year.There is no doubt that God has been protecting me and my family since then.
    Wishing you all the best

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  18. Sister lon chaney agnes,

    I wholeheartedly appreciate your sincere comments. I am all the more glad because you are not obdurate and obstinate like other TPM brainwashed commenting in this site. You realised the gravity of the situation with the help of a simple email which I hope admin was preserving for many years. Admin knowingly or unknowingly brought the GREAT HOLINES of TPM’s chief shepherd Abraham Mathew through one of those emails.

    When you said that you are thinking of quiting this organisation revels another great aspect that GOD is sincerely loving you and wants to bring you out of the man made devilish cult in persuit of truth for helping the gullible.

    MAY GOD HELP YOU ABUNDANTLY. AMEN.

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