Not surprisingly, our TPM Fanatics have no reply to the questions raised in the last article. I still am waiting.
If there is any point that TPM and fromtpm.com agree regarding this vision, then it is regarding the identity of the woman and the dragon. However, after that position, we do not have any point of convergence with TPM. We do not even agree to the nature of the Church representing the woman. TPM Believes in a dispensational theory which has no support in the Bible. According to them, the Church Began in AD 32. We do not subscribe to that view. Click here to know why we do not subscribe to that view.
Who is the Church(The Woman)?
We believe that the Church of God is an assembly of Humans that are “called out” from ALL people that includes Jews and Gentiles. We also believe that the people constituting the Church includes people who are physically died and is resting in the Lord. For eg. I consider my grandmom, who died a few years ago to be an active member of the church of God, even though physically she is not with us. This huge entity of “called out people” who have physically died OR is present on the earth OR yet to be born on earth is called Zion and Heavenly Jerusalem.
As long as we think the church in terms of Organizations like TPM or Church Buildings, we will miss the point.
The Composite Nature of the Church- The Woman
This Heavenly Jerusalem and Zion are called by Paul as our Mother. He also says that we all are her children not by physical procreation but by adoption.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath a husband. Gal 4:26-27
This concept is reiterated in Isaiah and also Hebrews 2
18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. Isa 8:18
Therefore, even though the woman is identified as a single entity, it is a composite entity of each one of us portrayed wholly into the Woman.
The Time Span of the Vision
Our Existence on this earth is to be compared to a huge “Team relay race”. There are those that have departed after they ran their part of the race. They are now standing in the witness stand watching our race. They handed over the Baton to us in this present age and if the Lord Tarries, we will hand over the baton to successive generations to carry forward.
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:1-2
On a spiritual level, we are seated in heavenly places(Eph 2:6)and we are in the presence of the Global Church of God. We are enrolled in Heaven.
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly[a] of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel. Heb 12:22-24
Towards the end of this age, the last batch of the Woman(The Church) will be on this earth running the last lap of the relay race. This last lap team is identified as the “Remnant” or “rest of the Offspring”
So the dragon was enraged with the woman and went off to make war with the rest of her [k]children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Rev 12:17
Therefore we have to understand that this vision as a very long video of events unfolding for many centuries since the Creation of Man. It is not a photographic snapshot.
The Pregnancy of the Woman and the Promised Man Child
We are told in the chapter that the Woman is Pregnant. We should, therefore, assume that the pregnancy of the woman is visible in the vision as a bulge.
2 and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labour and in pain to give birth. Rev 12:2
In biblical terms, pregnancy is identified as the EXPECTED PROMISE DELIVERY(2 Kings 4:16, Gen 18:10). It is the period from “the point the promise is made to the time it is delivered“. As days pass by, the reality of the delivery of the promise becomes very pronounced. This can be equated to the pregnancy of a woman where everybody is aware that the day of her delivery is near, seeing the size of her belly. And this promise is regarding a special child which we identify as the “MAN CHILD”.
Let us go back to the place where the conception of the Promise (Pregnancy start) happened.
And I will put enmity between thee and THE WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:15
After the conception in Gen 3, we can see various instances where the bulge of the pregnancy was visible. Some verses identifying the bulge of the pregnancy are as follows. These verses identify the Man Child who would come out in due time. Note that all these verses correlate to the Rulership(Rev 12:5) he gets in the form of the Rod of Iron(Sceptre).
- The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Gen 49:10
- Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Psalm 2:9,12
- The LORD will extend your mighty sceptre from Zion, saying, “Rule in the midst of your enemies!” Psalm 110:2
- For to us, a child is born, to us, a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isa 9:6
- “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of OLD, from ANCIENT TIMES.“ Micah 5:2
Clearly the Man Child with the Sceptre which was promised to come is none other than our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. We also know that the word “Man Child“, is another Word for SON by which we identify the second person of Trinity.
This fulfilment of promise happened in due time. Note the wordings of Paul and it correlates to the delivery after a pregnancy.
4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 To redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. Gal 4:4-5
Why God Became Man?
Even though Mother Heavenly Jerusalem have billions of children, the pregnancy and birth of this particular “Man Child” is the centre point of the vision. One Reason why this Child is referred to as “MAN Child” is to identify that this Child has a HUMAN NATURE. This correlates with the “Incarnation of God the Son” where God takes a Human Form and enter the human race BY BIRTH.
Even though you might have understood the scriptural correlation of Jesus being the Man Child of the Human Church. You might be wondering WHY? You might question the fact why did Eternal God have to be born to the Woman Entity.
For that, we need to turn to Hebrews 2:14-18
14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. 16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
In the above statement, we understand the need for God to become a man to partake in the human nature of the other children of Mother Jerusalem who is also identified as the Offspring of Abraham. Redemption of ManKind is only possible if God also becomes Man. Hence he had to be Born as a MAN CHILD.
Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as OUR apostle and high priest. Heb 3:1
He became One with Us and was made One of US – THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS (1 Tim 3:16)
That is why in the Early Church, it was a creedal statement to believe the incarnation of God as Man. If anybody does not have that belief, he was considered to have the spirit of Anti Christ.
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ HAS COME(denotes his pre-existence) IN THE FLESH(Human Form) is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” 1 John 4:3
The Son of Man Concept – Man Child
In the Book of Revelation, John is identifying this SON OF MAN (MAN CHILD) as the Almighty God who will come in the Clouds of heaven to rule the Earth with his Rod of Iron.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev 1:7-8
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:15
Conclusion
Now that we have clearly mentioned the understanding of the
- Woman,
- Her Pregnancy and
- the Man Child,
You should compare with the TPM interpretation of these things.
I was reading through a TPM Publication called “An Exposition of the book of Revelation” chapter 12 and had a great time of amusement at the way they are trying to rush towards their conclusion. As they had already identified the entities to prepare their pet doctrines, they are labouring hard in travail much more than the Woman, to bring out their interpretation of the Man Child. Check out the below screenshots and see how they are reasoning for a “Select Group(Their white clads)” where the scripture does not identify any of that kind. They are taking the definition of a Global all-encompassing church in Col 3:11 and saying that is the Man Child that comes out of the Woman.
Interestingly Rev 12:11 is martyrdom of the church people and has got nothing to do with the pseudo rapture they claim in Rev 12:5. But the TPM Theologians are so confused that they have to take the support of Rev 12:11 to even try to support their flawed theory.
Did you expect a better interpretation from a group of people who is hell-bent to replace Christ and Holy Spirit with themselves?
Do you now realise the Source of this interpretation that is in TPM? Yes, it is that of the ANTICHRIST.
If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed! Come, Lord! 1 Cor 16:22
to be continued…
TPM has a 4-tier heaven system, which utterly defies Christian logic. The Oct 2019 Voice of Pentecost publication (last page) has the complete list of TPM doctrines. Separation, sanctification, overcoming life, perfection, and consecrated ministry are listed as the core doctrines. Salvation through Jesus Christ is not even listed as one among them.
Another core doctrine is a 4-tier heaven system in this order:
1. Zion – for servants of God (executive class)
2. New Jerusalem – for believers (business class)
3. New Heaven – for the Old Testament saints and martyrs (Moses, Noah, Joshua, Enoch, etc..are in the economy class)
4. New Earth – for the saved (meaning all the other Christians – cattle class)
You can verify this in Oct 2019 Voice of Pentecost publication.
Dear all, please watch out! These are not Christian doctrines.
Can some one pls., share the pdf. version of this publication.
@Redeemed
The 4 tiered heaven is the core of TPM Doctrines. They keep harping it on every occasion. Once in a year, they publish the list of their doctrines and this forms part of that.
Recently, I had the painful experience of listening to this four tier doctrine at a funeral.
These cold hearted mad idiots don’t miss an opportunity to show case their self professed superiority. They are insensitive and have no consideration to the feelings of the mourning family members.
What they don’t realise is that they are nothing but white clad sepulchres trumpeting their self righteousness and their celibacy and their consecration. It is so sad that they are all deceived.
Bro. Thanks for the time you have taken to bring up with the interpretation. Its a very good work in bringing up points to make people think and realise the flaws in various interpretations. It will be very appreciable if you could also give your views on the following in the same chapter.
The one i find missing is Rev 12: v4. We see the dragon drewing 3rd part of the stars of heaven and cast them to earth. In TPM they view it as fallen workers of Clergy/believers?? Would like to know your views on it….Thanks
We should expect a Falling away before the final Anti-Christ Reign Starts. However, it is wrong to think in terms of an Organization clergy.As per me, the entire Organization TPM is part of the Mystery Babylon and hence fallen away.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thess 2:3
Bro 1 question:
We could see the woman travailing in birth and the man child was born(as u say its jesus being the promise delivered) and caught up to the throne. Immediately after the child is caught up we see the woman fleeing in to wilderness for a place is prepared for her by God where she is safe for 3.5yrs. So my question is how do we relate this to the current scenario? If jesus is manchild and caught up, the church is seen fleeing in to wilderness for 3.5 yrs? How does that corelate to the current phase after jesus ascends? What does that wilderness shows where she is fed.? All these seen happens, when dragon is seen in heavenly places…. but once he is cast to earth, he is seen as chasing to destroy the woman but fails and then we see in v17 bcoz the dragon was wrothful as he couldnt destroy the woman(which is “church” mentioned by u consisting of all who believe in jesus: both old and NT people of god) he went after the remnant of her seed. So if woman is church and manchild is jesus, then who is these remnant of her seed? I am asking this question purely for improving knowledge, i am not in favour of tpm or any denominations…
The Wilderness drive is not an Immediate action after the Man Child is taken up. The Focus is changed in Verse 7 where there is a Battle in Heaven and then the action happens on earth. I consider vs 6 as a pre-planning by God for the action on Earth after the outcome of the battle in vs 7. This battle occurs at the end of the age. Then comes the wilderness run. This will be explained in the next article.
The Remnant of her seed part is explained in the section “The Time Span of the Vision”. The Last Lap runners of the grand relay race are the Remnant.
In this grand relay race, the first lap of the NT Period belonged to the apostles and the people of their time. Then came the time of the Apostles’ disciples(Like Ignatius, Polycarp etc) and then the church fathers and so on. However, we should not ignore the OT Saints who looked on to the Coming Saviour and Ran Their part of the race are also members of this same Entity. A sample of them is referred to in Heb 11.
We are running our part of the relay race with the baton of the Gospel in 2019. If the Lord Tarries, we will pass on the baton to the future generation OR we could be the Remnant generation if the AntiChrist appears in our lifetime.
The People who have run their part of the grand relay and have slept in the Lord becomes part of the “Cloud of Witnesses” that we see in Heb 12:1
Admin,
I have read many interpretations of the Revelation 12th chapter but not satisfied with any of those interpretations. Still I have many doubts.
Once such doubt is who is the man child?
The key to the identification of the man child is on verse 5 “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”
There are two persons fits this identification as per the Bible.
1st person is Jesus as per Psalm 2:9
“You will break them an iron scepter; You will shatter them like pottery.””
2nd person or group is Victorious Christians as per Rev 2:26,27
“To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery”
If we consider the whole vision in chapter 12 of revelation, all the entities involved are groups not an individual. There are three entities Women, Dragon, Man child
Women – Interpreted as Church, It is a group (both OT and NT saints)
Dragon – Satan and its angels, it is a group (an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads)
Man child – This also should be a group?
If we consider my above point then the man child should be a group i.e Victorious Christians
What do you think? This seems to support Pre-tribulation rapture. Even though I changed my mind to support post tribulation rapture but this chapter confuses me lot.
@Johnson
Yes Rev 2:26,27 also we see the iron rod. But what we see in this instance is a delegated authority and not the original one. A Delegated authority is not absolute but rather subservient and under the control of the real authority.
1. Agreed. The Woman in this is a group entity. I have explained that in the article.
2. As far as the Dragon is concerned, He is a single entity. There is no reason to club Satan with his angels into the Dragon Entity. In verse 7 we see the Dragon is identified distinctly and separately from his angels( Michael and his angels VS Dragon and his angels). Hence he is not a Group entity but rather a single entity. The Seven Heads of the Dragon is mentioned to help us correlating to the end-time Beast in Chapter 13 with the same number of heads and derives its power from this same Dragon. Each head does not represent an angel. He would have a lot more angels under his authority.
3. “Man Child”, the wording itself identifies as a single entity. It’s NOT “HuMan Children”. Moreover, the enormity of the verses(7+) that supports Jesus as the man Child cannot be ignored. We will be ruling with Christ as his co-heirs. But the Kingdom is of Jesus. Rev 11:15 and Rev 19:15. IF THERE IS ANY BIRTH THAT HAS CHANGED THE COURSE OF THIS WORLD, IT HAS TO BE THE BIRTH OF JESUS.
There is no concept of a victorious Church(Man Child) coming out of a failed church (woman) in the scriptures. There is ONLY ONE CHURCH(Woman) and the gates of Hell shall not overcome it.
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Matt 16:18
There could be multiple fraudulent claimants like the TPM. But there is only ONE CHURCH and that is the Victorious Church
I think you did not read the latter part of this article which gives enough proof that the Man Child is not an ordinary Birth.
@Johnson
One very weak link of TPM’s Man Child Theory is as follows.
If the “Man Child” is the Victorious Church, you should logically consider the apostles and the church fathers to be part of that Man Child.
I still fail to understand why the dragon would not devour people like Paul, Peter, John etc when they were on this earth and are weak humans. He should have eliminated even the scope of a Man Child. Why is he waiting to grab them in their resurrected bodies when they will be really invincible.
Is the Dragon an Idiot?
Could we relate this to the order written in 1 Corinthians: 15:23-26?
@DanyJacob
Of course. Let us see the verses
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits(1), then at his coming those who belong to Christ(2). 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 1 Cor 15:23-26
As you see. There are ONLY 2 Resurrections of the Holy ones.
1. Christ who is the First Fruit (This has already happened)
2.Those that are Christ’s. (This happens at its coming)
How much more simpler can it get? Paul does not manufacture so many orders as TPM seems to have done.
@Admin,
One doubt which i have still is related to Rev 4:1… “I will shew thee things which must be hereafter” .. Does this mean future events ?
If so how ( birth of man-child = birth of Jesus ) be a future event ?
Appreciate if you can share your thoughts…
Well, it’s true that John was taken up in the spirit to show the things that should happen in the future. However, Rev 12 is basically a storybook where the Future of Human Race is being charted and linked with Historical past. So a storybook will make no sense if the background context is not explained before the future prophecy is mentioned. For eg. Check out Rev 10:7 where past Prophets’s prophecies are being referred to correlate to the mystery event that will happen when the seventh angel will blow the trumpet.
If you note the chapter contents, the Woman’s Past History is shown as a Vision in Heaven and the Future events Concerning the Woman are shown as events on Earth. The Woman in Heaven is suddenly seen on earth. One is a Spiritual angle and the other is an Earthly angle. This is a highly symbolic picture.
Thus Revelation presents to God’s people the grand denouement, the conclusion, the tying-up of the great drama of salvation begun in the first three chapters of the Bible. It reveals how the seed of the woman crushes the head of the Serpent and completes the new creation. The Story that began in Genesis Needs to run one full circle and that circle completes in Revelation.
@ Redeemed
Yes brother,I can help you for that pdf version of this episode that you wanted.
In my system too ,it is not coming out directly . I am trying through other means.
@Redeemed
Dear brother, now some how I managed that PDF version . Shall I post it in the site for your exclusive benefit?
@Eagle eye, I actually meant the copy of Voice of Pentecost where this misleading information was published, so that I could further spread this here for awareness on this deceit.
@ Redeemed
OK. I have it (it is OCT ’19 ISSUE) .will post it by tomorrow , Have to get it scanned .
It is in two pages( 16& 15)
Thanks Brother. appreciate it.
It’s the same ones which they keep publishing once in a year. (Page 16)
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Next part (page 15)
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Thank you, Admin. Is there a comparison available between the first published TPM doctrines (should be decades ago) and this latest one? This would help us see the layers of “revelations” that were added to the core doctrines.
@leadusintolight
I know that these doctrines have evolved over time. I do not have the data to show when each of these doctrines has been added. Most of the Cult Doctrines were added by Alwin. He modified lots of doctrines of Pastor Paul to fit especially for the Celibates. “I think” most of their eschatology related doctrines including the 4 tier heaven was a product of A C Thomas.
I just had a look at second page the above attachments.. Got stuck at
///CONSECRATED MINISTRY :- God has ordained 5 kinds of offices in the church . . . . . .They become the foundation stones upon Christ …. (Eph 2:20)///
“TPM doctrine Believers please help —–
1) Do you say the ministers of TPM are foundation stones in Eph 2:20 ( I have heard preachings saying TPM ministers are Apostles .. are they Foundation stones too 🙂 )
In Eph 2:20 Apostles and PROPHETS constitute Foundations stones .. Who are these PROPHETS ? Those who prophesy in TPM ? If so how about believers who prophesy ? They also form foundation .. in Zion upon Christ ?
Apostles are prophets who come up with latest revelations based on geography and dollar value
Prophets are those who inflict curses, deride other ministries, keep you from directly accessing the Scriptures
There are 144000 foundation stones.
After the last foundation stone joins the ministry and becomes a divine death martyr, the building will be completed as fitly framed.
…and then TPM’s christ will come appear secretly to rapture the TPM saints and believers to their exlcusive zion. They unashamedly quote Psalm 102:16 to support this.
” When the Lord shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.”
What a joke, this TPM?NTC/NCPC is? The devil would be rolling on the floor laughing at the stupid TPM believers who believe in this non sense.
In fact, the countdown clock to the end of the world is with the TPM chief pastors. The day when the 144,000th TPM worker joins the ministry by being born in TPM’s zion, TPM’s christ will appear in his glory.
@ the rate they are going, it will be at least another 1000 years before TPM’s christ will return, so my dear TPM/NTC/NCPC believers, you can continue eat, meet and enjoy. Please continue to feed these servants of Molech with your money, time and also your children to molest and serve.
And we were also one of them if not for the mercy of God that liberated us from this TPM delusion. Praise God for saving us.
@leadusintolight
“Thank you, Admin. Is there a comparison available between the first published TPM doctrines (should be decades ago) and this latest one?”
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Your statement has got a far reaching effect on this TPM -CULT management itself.
How?
Now by making availablle the latest doctrine copy to the READERS, ADMN brother has opened up new front of the battle ground. This facilitates for a very healthy debate involving to the core point
of the doctrinnal issue that we are targeting..
Hope this debate from the members will shake the EMPTY vessels,
Surely a comparison shall be made from the FIRST PUBLISHED TPM doctrines to the present latest copy.This will help us launch a la David’s sharp missies 1,2,3,4,5 ( kept in the hand bag of David) .
No one knows what will happen to IBR- JERICHO WALLS when once this comparison comes out to light.
The good news is that EAGLE’S EYE is in possession of more than TWO DECADES OLD –VOP copies and is determined to thoroughly search the OLD copies -VIS-A- VIS the latest copy made available in this site.
Any changes found will be immediatelly brought to the notice of ADMN brother so that this debate will be fine tuned by him.
Request all the regular 1% contributing authors to watch and wait for this impending result.
Thank you brother Redeemed for sending the first missile that facilitated to start this debate..
Many Thanks Admin for making this available.
The title itself is contradicting to start with..
The title reads as ” Doctrine of Christ and Apostles”…Few lines down after introduction it becomes ” Doctrines of the church..which is the body of Christ”.
In one way probably they accept that it is now the doctrines of this Church…
If Apostle Paul ( not TPM’s founder) happened to read these doctrines, he must have sorrowed seeing how wolves rose from within the Church to destroy the body of Christ.
@EE, it will certainly be a good move to compare and see how much they have drifted from their own contradictions..
Acts 20:29-30 says “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock …”
It means that as long as I am here, I will not allow such wolves to rise up.
Each one of us has a responsibility to take the same stand and say “As long as I am around, I will not allow these wolves to deceive people”
Such wolves are around us because “we allow them“.
I too confess that I allowed these wolves to dominate all these years and hence this trouble:
but no more now.Tthough the Scriptures rightly cautioned me to be a ‘BEREAN’
We are being exhorted by the very verse ” ARISE ,SHINE FOR THY LIGHT IS COME,AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD IS RISEN UPON THEE”Isa 60:1.Thank you ADMN brother, Redeemed brother, Denzel Joy bro, and all the 1% contrbuting authors of this blessed site . One brother ABAS from CANADA ,we miss him a lot now a days.After he reviewed the NTC balance sheet of CANADA, last time we hardly see
him in these days.
Thank you, Eagle’s Eye. As I had stated in my reply to brother VKG in another thread, I have nothing personal against TPM other than their erroneous doctrines. If TPM had deviated from the doctrines of Christ as interpreted by Pastor Paul, their founder, they better reconsider. Of course, there are others who still continue to hold Pastor Alwyn’s interpretation as correct. Their argument is that even David and Solomon committed grievous sins yet their writings are present in the Bible.
//Their argument is that even David and Solomon committed grievous sins yet their writings are present in the Bible.
Interestingly I have heard T U Thomas saying Ecclesiastes as not inspired because of Solomon being the writer. They have convenient arguments for all situations.
@leadusintolight.
Thank you brother for your scintillating ,I mean sparkling interactions.When you wrote
–Is there a comparison available between the first published TPM doctrines (should be decades ago) and this latest one?”……..it sent a kind of of a spark in me .. -Yes –why not?Why should we not strengthen our ADMN brother’s hands whose hands are truly doing a remarkable job of bringing reformative structure of the very TPM’s CULT(URE) day in day out.
So I plunged into the job of collecting all the OLD issues of VOP.
I caught hold of 7 old VOP issues. As ADMN brother wrote it was the ,,yearly practice that once in a year the advertisement would appear in the VOP issues.
But to my surprise ,there found two times in the same year (1996),this advertisement was carried! ( FEBRURY & AUGUST). I wondered why did they publish twice in the same year 1996.There must be something fishy about their own ADVERTISEMENT!
These VOP ISSUES were as old as 1993,1994,1995,1996,(two issues were found)1997,1998. . because you wrote–the VOP issues should be decades old.Somehow the old issues were safely preserved with me.
Then I probed into the matter line by line.
Now here comes the truth upon my comparison—–
on the CONSECRATED MINISTRY item….Ephesians 4;11-13 was printed on FEBRUARY 1996 issue. The same was printed on AUGUST issue –as Ephesians 4;7,11,-13.( that means 7 th verse added.
Where as 1993,1994,1995 issues—it says Eph 4;11–13
issues of 1997,1998 & OCT’2019 issue 9Ttill date) —– says Eph 4;7,11-13<<<<<<<<<<
Well the second point in the comparison found is……(Again my base issue is 1996 FEB –VOP copy only)
ETERNITY part……..
(i)
(ii)
(iii)
(iv)
(v) Lake of fire or seconnd death—the wicked, death,and hell shall be cast into the lake of fire.
The matter printed was same for 1993,1994,1995,1996( two issues).
But for 1997,1998, annd the present OCTOBER 2019 issue found one addendum ……Satan.
(v) Lake of fire or seconnd death—the wicked, death,hell and Satan shall be cast into the lake of fire.
Now we can surmise from the above simple comparison…..CK Lazarus (1994-1999) was at the helm of the affairs, when you take 1996 where these ADDENDUMS were added to these CULT doctrines.
Now who will own the responsibility of tampering their own doctrines?
Is it the EDITORS of VOP –to be held responnsible?( RAJADURAIs, THANBITHURAIs )
OR is it the CPs of this CULT?
Now I leave the matter to you and mainly to our ADMN brother who is competent enough to fine tune the above comparisons.
Dear Eagle’s Eye, I don’t see the addendums significant enough. So I guess, as Admin has commented, the changes occurred much before that… either during the period of Pastor AC Thomas or Pastor Alwyn himself. Do you know of any articles or messages written by Pastor Paul? (I hope there could be some unadulterated versions).
Thank you.
Thank you brother leadusintolight.
Every mail of yours contains a deep rooted information.
Infact I do not have any of the articles and messages written by Pastor Paul ( unadulterated by IBR/MATTAKKUIA.)except those old issues of VOPs.I have got pastor Paul’s life history copy published by IBR . After coming to know from this site that it was tampered/ edited /changed by this CULT group to suit to their convennience,I found no interest in reading that autobiography.
Where can I get the original copy of his autobiography? Could you pl name or write the link/site.
I can searh for it.
@EE
Pastor Paul never wrote his Autobiography. I do not think that he had any strategy for this cult. If my information serves right, it was A C Thomas who made this Biography by sewing selected stories to blind the eyes of his followers. The purpose of the biography was to present a “larger than life picture”of the founder. They wanted to establish a lie that Ramakutty was the next genuine apostle after the early apostles. Therefore, they can boast as following the apostolic succession.
Had Alwin not went doing all the nonsense he did, they would have written the Biography of Alwin rather than Paul.
I have heard these Whiteclads mentioning that the Biography of Ramankutty should be put as the 29th chapter of Acts of Apostles.
I am truly thankful to TPM Publication because they are proof of the cult doctrine. Had they not published these things in their books and magazines, we would have a tough time nailing their heresy.
“What these false teachers/prophets meant for Evil, God meant it for Good“
@ADMN”Pastor Paul never wrote his Autobiography. I do not think that he had any strategy for this cult.”
Thank you ADMN brother for seding the EYE-OPENING information about this CULT founder, though you ‘ve beem bringing it to light many times in the past, this will reaffirm to almost all the 1% cotributing authors of this site . Further look at the successive managers how skillfully they wove the story of Paster Paul and went on managing the show till now.
If this is the story that went on one hand , just look at the other side ,the drum beater EMPTY goes on eulogizing Alwin in all possible venues that he goes now a days. He reiterates that this church is of 93 years history,and that hence people should give full marks to it rather than seeing its show behind the scenes. Highly sorry state of affairs.