From the Darkness of TPM to the Light of Christ – 2

This is a continuation of Brother Harry’s Testimony. Click here to read the first portion.

Did I keep saying that TPM Clergy was foolproof? Did I say that the second anointing that all TPM Clergy receive (The Zion’s anointing) when they are selected for the ministry makes them infallible? No.

My Tryst with the Secret side of the Holy TPM Clergy

If I was still a TPM believer I would have never uttered a word about the secret side of the clergy. Because who would dare to meet the fate of Uzzah for trying to prevent the falling Ark of Covenant? Within TPM circles, the clergy is portrayed as the Cherubims on the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant…. So you have no business talking about the flip side of the clergy. But wait… what does Rev: 2: 2 say? “and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles and are not, and hast found them, liars:”. Christ commends the church of Ephesus for finding out the Wolves among the sheep.

The tale behind the Ujala white uniform of the clergy:

As an outsider when we look at the pure white, steam ironed clothes of the Pastors/Brothers/Senior Sisters we get a sense of purity. But behind every spotless, ironed uniform of TPM clergy, there is a junior brother/sister (mostly sisters), who spends hours in the washing- soda-rich water. I have personally seen many juniors having numerous water cuts on their feet, but still, keep washing the clothes with a polythene bag tied around their feet. Once the clothes are dried they have to spend sleepless nights to iron the clothes. Their white uniform smells blood.

Thousands of unknown tongues but no control over mother tongue:

TPM workers dish out so many unknown tongues in the meetings but it’s a pity they cannot control their tongue if you happen to disobey their command. Though they claim to be spirit-filled but once they become angry they throw at you the fruits of their spirit mentioned in Gal 5:19-21 and not the fruit as mentioned in Gal: 5:22-23. Being very much a faith homeboy I have been witness to the choicest abuses used by the seniors to admonish the juniors. Invariably all have the tendency to humiliate the juniors in front of others.

Forging of accounts:

I have seen how faith home financial accounts are forged. Most of the time, they show accounts for which they have bills. I have signed many vouchers in the name of unknown people, obeying the words of the Faith Home Incharge.

Mockery of the system:

In TPM setup the Brother/Pastor in Charge is the head of the church and maintains all financial account. The Mother In Charge and other clergy members should give whatever monetary offerings they get to the Incharge of the Faith home. So practically the Mother Incharge and other clergy members should not have any cash with them. But I fail to understand why the Center Pastors and Chief Pastors don’t question Clergy members (other than Incharges) when they offer them cash offerings. In Income Tax parlance its “undeclared amount” and its Black Money!  Pressure on the Mother In Charges to offer fat offerings to the Center Pastors results in the rationing of food for the junior clergy members.

Spirit of Ananias and Sapphira:

TPM clergy and laity dish out lies just to get appreciated by the Sr Clergy. I know many TPM laity who secretly have TVs at their homes and take medicines but will never accept it in the open.

Sex deprived clergy:

I have witnessed the Incharge Brother of our faith home having oral sex with some believer youth boys. I have witnessed a well to do believer’s son buying expensive chocolates for some clergy sisters in exchange for some groping. I have heard from close clergy members about lesbianism among some worker sisters in our faith home. In one of the local FH of our Center, the In-charge brother was caught when a girl got pregnant. It was then revealed that apart from the pregnant girl, he was having a physical relationship with a worker sister and another girl. The abortion was carried out in a hushed manner under the watchful eyes of the In-charge Mother (who is incidentally a Center Mother now). The In-Charge brother-the culprit- was a favourite of the Center pastor and other seniors as he used to keep them happy by offering thick envelopes. They tried to transfer him to another Center but angry reactions from the believers prevented that. That guy left the TPM ministry and is serving with the same uniform in some other white-clad TPM clergy deserters’ church.

Escapades of a Center Pastor:

  As I was the go-to boy for our faith home I was very close to the then Center Pastor (CP) and used to be with him often. Initially, this CP was so “holy” that he never used to even look at the sisters’ side during preaching. Since he had no “weakness” the then Center Mother (CM) could not have her leverage. I remember how this CM schemed against the CP and brought a sister from the local FH to the Center FH on a special errand. Soon, I found this sister (in her 40s) making numerous trips to the room of the CP on various pretexts.

Initially, when she used to come to meet CP he never said anything to me but as days progressed he used to tell me to wait outside his room when this “agent” sister came to him. As time progressed the CP shunted out the Center singer sister to a local FH and made this “agent” sister the centre singer. It didn’t stop with this. She accompanied the CP along with the CM wherever he went. I also used to travel in the FH car along with the CP, CM and “agent” sister. As soon as the car leaves the vicinity of the FH, the CM used to shift to the front seat and the CP used to occupy the seat next to the “agent” sister.

Very soon the CP stopped taking me with him in the car and the “agent” sister accompanied him wherever the CP went. You can guess why? One day I was doing some work on the rooftop and CP was not aware that I was sitting on the rooftop. I was shocked to see the CP and the “agent” sister locked themselves inside the meeting hall and came out after some 20 minutes. I leave the rest to your speculations. Again one night after the praising, when all the lights were switched off, the “agent” sister walked into the empty Chief Pastor’s room (used only during conventions) and darkness was witness to what happened after that.

The junior brother who witnessed this did not have the courage to speak to the CP but the following day he spoke to the “agent” sister and made fun of her. Next thing to happen was, the junior brother was transferred to a local under the control of a very nasty Sister-in Charge. Within a month’s time, the junior brother was packed off to Irumbiliyur based on some false allegations. Last heard, that the junior brother left the ministry. The same CP is now a very well-known convention preacher of TPM. The CM is no more. The “agent” sister is doing her ministry in all chastity!

Other common incidents within the clergy:

If you don’t toe the line of the Mother in-charge then chances are there that a romantic story will be weaved between you and clergy of the opposite sex. A quarrel between the mother in charge and Brother in charge of house visiting and the parting of the collected money is a common sight. Center Pastor barging into the sister’s bathroom for punishing a junior sister for not coming for the morning praising. Unsaid rule is that the In-charge gets the best food.


  • What’s the big deal? Wasn’t Judas one among the 12 disciples?
  • Who are we to judge…God will judge?
  • Don’t try to look into the Ark of the Covenant …you will die!
  • Yes, we are humans but if you find a better church than TPM then please tell me.
  • I bet there is no better church than TPM.

Even today I can see many TPM believers harping using these arguments.


The Caution Sign and Removing of the TPM Lens

I got married to a non-TPM Pentecostal girl and the marriage was solemnized by TPM Clergy. The marriage was materialized after an assurance to the clergy that my wife will follow the doctrines and ways of TPM.

All went fine until the first communion service of my wife at TPM. She attended the sanctification meeting religiously and took part in the Lord’s Table. But trouble started when she heard the Incharge Clergy say that once you partake in TPMs table, you should not part take in the Lord’s Table at your old Pentecostal Church. I supported the clergy view and she held on to her view that there was nothing wrong with her church. Since I was a TPM fanatic I kept telling that we are the best church so no compromise. But she posed me a few questions (stated below)….that made me think.

  1. Why TPM Clergy did not ask her to be baptized again in TPM? Obviously, because they accepted the baptism given by her Church.
  2. As many are baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye are Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise” (Gal 3: 27-29) She quoted these verses and said that when by her baptism she put on Christ,  how can one still hold on to divisions based on denominations?
  3. If TPM accepts the baptism of a church, it implies that the members who are baptized belong to the same body of Christ-the Church. Hence we should not cause divisions in the body of Christ. She alleged that by forbidding her to take Holy Communion in her church we are indirectly condemning their church out of the body of Christ which is not correct.

But I held on to my strong TPM views with lot of family and church pressure.

However, without the knowledge of my parents, I visited my wife’s church whenever I visited my In-laws home. To my surprise, I was shocked to see people worshipping God in the truth and in the spirit. No one was urging them to shout and jump but invariably all were getting filled in the spirit. Though all were not wearing the same white uniform all came and spoke very nicely to me. The Sunday service was livelier rather than TPMs set pattern (Getting filled in the spirit only after the 4th song, 10 minutes after the 4th song there will be one/two prophesies, followed by clergy speech and testimony…and so on). No one was chided openly for taking more than 3 minutes for testimony.  Remember this was my first journey outside the well of TPM.

Though I enjoyed the occasional trips to my wife’s church, the clutches of TPM was all the stronger. I used to have numerous biblical discussions with my wife but the only thing that made me stick to TPM was that our TPM Clergy is unmarried.

One day I had a biblical discussion with my wife’s Church pastor, who many a time told me that TPM was a cult. During the course of our discussion (This practice is not there in TPM …U can never argue with your clergy), we came across Ephesians  2: 20And are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone; Based on my TPM background I argued that the apostles and prophets were our church clergy members. But by the grace of God and by the working of the Holy Spirit, the Pastor explained the context from Ephesians  2: 11-22. Thereafter I understood that the “apostles” and “prophets” implied to the New and Old Testament respectively.  II Peter 3:2 also implies clearly that the “prophets” indicate the sayings of the OT prophets and the “apostles” the NT teachings which were once for all delivered to the 1st-century saints.

This Biblical enrichment I received made me think but I was new to any theology outside the TPM theology. Deep within me, I was thinking that TPM teachings are infallible. It was at this juncture that my wife shared the following link:

https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/03/10/deceit-of-the-eunuchs-ministry-in-tpm/

To my surprise, I discovered a whole lot of articles that so meticulously slain and exposed the false doctrines of TPM purely on a scriptural basis. I am so thankful to God that he helped me to understand the great deception hidden in the doctrines of TPM. I could understand that many doctrines which TPMites think was given to them by their predecessors are a farce. They have blindly adopted the teachings of J.N Darby and Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (e.g., Doctrine of  Dispensationalism). From this site, I came to know that even TPM celibacy has its roots to the Shakers movement. TPMs rules are so similar to the Roman Catholic rules. They seem to be complementing each other nicely.

Incidents that made me take action and rush out of the Cult

Idol worship: TPM Chennai International Convention Malayalam 144000 song

https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2018/04/10/heresies-in-tpm-part-8-the-unbelievable-idol-worship/

From the Darkness of TPM to the Light of Christ - 2I was witness to this song (click the above link) on Saturday night of 2018 Chennai Convention when thousands of TPM laity and clergy were jumping and filling in the spirit praising the 144000. This was nothing short of idolatry.   

I was childless for 4 and ½ years: Certain TPM worker said that since my wife was not baptized in TPM she was not getting a child so arrange for her to take baptism in TPM. I had to pooh-pooh that suggestion. Again a worker sister came up with the idea of RPD as marketed by Pas MT Thomas. She instructed us that we should choose a time of our liking and raise our hands and keep chanting “Praise the Lord” for ten minutes continuously. We should do this continuously every day at the selected time for 90 days. The rider associated with this act was that if u miss out on the time any day, you have to start again from zero. Moreover, you cannot put your hands down while praising. I thought that we should give it a try but my wife was adamant. She insisted to see where was such a practice mentioned in the Bible? She blatantly told that my Jesus is not a penance seeking heathen God. She told even if we do not get a child we should not follow this unbiblical method. I agreed. Believe it or not in 4 weeks’ time God gave us the good news that my wife conceived and the fetus was more than 7 weeks old. My wife later confessed that had she done TPM’s RPD for a day at least and then received the news then she would have followed TPM blindly.

Conclusion

Now it’s almost one year that I left the cult called TPM. I have not left the cult because of any issues with the members of the clergy or laity but purely on a doctrinal basis.  The doctrines of TPM are deceptive and without scriptural backing. They use split verses to prove their point. If you request the TPM clergy or laity to discuss some of their doctrinal issues they will drop you like hotcakes. TPM male Clergy is having a relatively better life whereas the junior Clergy sisters are forced through numerous sufferings, hardships, false accusation, etc. I request you all to pray that the Lord should deliver our people stuck in the false doctrines of TPM.

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89 Comments on “From the Darkness of TPM to the Light of Christ – 2”

  1. This TPM fake homes are so filthy and is a den of thieves and perverts. Next time you hug or shake the hands of any of these vile animals, please think twice. Maybe guys like Croos get a piece of the action and hence they fight tooth and nail for this satanic organisation or they might be just deluded.

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  2. Brother Harry,
    Is the Well known Preacher CP the one whose love for goat brain is a talking point among TPM Believers?

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  3. Dear All,
    Please clarify this point. I think many of you are residing in western countries. I have seen many western churches resisting the cult churches like Mormons, Roman Catholics, Seventh day Adventist, Jehovah witness etc.. But how could they missed TPM churches and its doctrines. I don’t see any websites opposing TPM practices and doctrines except this site. Is it because of TPM church not heard outside India and unknown to them?

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    1. If you go to NTC in the US, you will find that 95% of the people are TPM people of Indian/Srilankan Origin. Therefore, they continue with the brainwash they got in India. The other non-Indians are mostly Spanish and they do not care or enjoy the brainwash.

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  4. Same is the case with the NCTC/AUSTRALIA(MELBOURNE)and NEW ZEALAND (AUCKLAND) which are manned by Indian & Sri Lankan origin workers .Hardly any whites Laity we see there though some white clergy ( Ps Shane, brs Mark,(two)) are seen serving in locals. But to answer Br. Johnson’s query ,I must confess that there white believers mostly go to the Baptist & Methodist churches and some to independent charismatic groups who mostly preach prosperity gospel.The NCTC ( NEW COVENANT TESTAMENT CHURCH- of the present CULT) congregation of Perth, Adelaide,Brisbane,Sydney have got a very thin attendance. Darwin is a newly added F.H.with a few laity belonging to Indian & SL origin.Even the Centre – Melbourne is not a large congregation.Only the TPM youth & Sri Lankan settlers who migrated in search of livelihood during LTTE disturbance to AUS & N Z congregate there. Not many laity belonging to white origin are found there.
    To summarize, there in the West, South Pacific,PNG no white laity come because they knew well the real colours of this beast.

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  5. It may be a coincidence or the same incident…I don’t know…but a similar “Centre pastor escapade” incident had happened in Cuttack some years ago.
    Similarly, Brother Varakumar ( who was asked to leave TPM) had made a believer girl pregnant at Jeypore FH in Cuttack centre and the girl had to abort the baby.

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    1. Dear Vijay,

      I think the Centre Pastor mentioned in this article is none other than the present Chief Eunuch of Bombay Centre Mr. YUNIS MASIH. If my speculation is correct, this incident happened when he was CP of Cuttack Centre, later he was banished to Shillong for his promiscuous activities by then chief shepherd of TPM.

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  6. Mumbai centre appears to be a hotbed of where all perverts are based or get posted to.
    Some time I imagine how will it look like if we line up all these vile men and women with their achievements in brief on a hall of fame.
    Would be a good give away leaf let to the youths who will now flock to Chennai.

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  7. @Harry – Thank you for telling the rest of your story. It is clear, well articulated and easy to understand and a great encouragement for folks like me. I hope and pray that all the fence sitters who are reading your testimony will realise that they are deceived and will walk away from this Pentecostal asylum into the glorious Light of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

    One thing is very clear – when depraved sex starved unmarried men and women are placed under the same roof, the inevitable happens even if you are a self confessed eunuch. Alwin started this living together arrangement to fulfill the lust of his flesh and his legacy is being carried forward by the Sunnys, Lalus, Yunis to name a few.

    Unfortunately the blind believers of TPM don’t realise that they are funding these perverts to fulfill their base desires. And they take communion from these vile reprobates thinking that they are obeying God’s will.

    The last time I spoke to a TPM sibling of mine about fromtpm.com, the response was, “these people are being paid money to bring down TPM”.

    What a stupid justification from an educated person. Oh, how thick is this darkness, you can almost touch it.

    Only God can save these lost souls from the TPM/NTC/NCPC/UPC delusion.

    For the believers of TPM/NTC/NCPC/UPC, I leave you with St. Paul’s advise to the Ephesians 5:3

    ” Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.”

    and about the Chief shepherds of TPM who excuse these criminals – Ephesians 5:6

    “Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey Him.”

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    1. Thank you @ No more slave to fear
      Coming out of TPM is no less than coming out of the bondage of the Egyptians.
      But God’s grace is profound. Only when one decides to quit this organisation on doctrinal grounds that one is safe. I was admonished many times with stories of the gruesome death and pitiable life of people who leave TPM.
      The day that I called quits from TPM, the car that I was traveling was hit by another high speeding car. But God’s grace nothing happened to me. Satan tries to intimidate you. But when we allow Jesus to answer on our behalf it flees.

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      1. @duplicate harry
        // the car that I was traveling was hit by another high speeding car. But God’s grace nothing happened to me.

        It was a sign for you to not to quit TPM! And look at your arrogance.. — you still are outside TPM, unable to understand mercies of God. Remember, outside of TPM is no protection. It is the prayer of saints that protect us and keeps us alive. We will become rich and get all sort of protection from death, accidents, and arrows of devil, iff we abide in fellowship of prayers of saints. It is this which we believers of tpm, testify in our testimonies, how the prayer of saints heal us in our illness, and helps us get sucess in life, marriage, work place etc.

        Do you know that there is a register in faith home, in which we have names of believers, centre pastors, & ministers from local faithome written down? Our name is written in this register when we take baptism in TPM. This is the book of life of prayers of saints. Once you are gone from TPM, your name is cut from “register of life!” So beaware that your name is not cut down.

        Rev 3:5  He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in WHITE RAIMENT; and I WILL NOT BLOT OUT HIS NAME out of the BOOK OF LIFE, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 

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        1. @Original ..
          Thank you for letting us know the “Book of life” in Rev3:5 is xerox copy of TPM baptism register.. So first name in “Book of life” is written in 1923/1924… ??
          Atleast try to read and meditate the book with a black cover named “The Holy Bible” which i believe you have in your own language .
          Please ask holyspirit to reveal to you what is the “Book of Life” mentioned in the Bible.
          Please dont mug up these false interpretations given from your pulpits and vomit it before others.
          Be a Berean as its written in Acts 17 :10,11 .. examining the Scriptures daily to see whether the things you hear from pulpit is indeed like that or not. ( before believeing them )
          If you are not ready to examine and meditate the Bible which is given to you , and instead just believe all rotten interpretations you hear from others , you are bound to be deceived..

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      2. @Original TPM puppet- can’t blame you for your comment. I feel sorry for you as you are brainwashed by your TPM masters and no amount of reasoning will open your eyes.

        If TPM god is protecting their believers, how come so many TPM workers die young and in accidents?

        Are you saying that the TPM register is the Book of Life? I have sat through many of your early morning praising, it is a joke. Saying two sleepy praise the lords or sthothrams is the minimum you can do for fleecing your believers off their money and their freedom.

        It is useless and protects no one but is a tool used by your TPM lords to justify the control they have over you. The way you sound it appears that you are a TPM worker or one of those blind believers who reads the Bible without understanding.

        Harry is safe in this life and in eternity, what about you? Where are you heading? Wake up and if you have any sense in you, you will follow Harry’s example and get out of this abominable cult before it is too late. Looking forward to reading your testimony about your liberation from TPM’s register into the True Book of Life in Christ.

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  8. Dear Admin Bro…Which church are you attending now..after leaving TPM…

    I have a doubt…The prophecy that you hear in TPM meetings regularly…Is it really the Holy Spirit speaking to the church or man made .. regular prophecies… deceiving the congregation…!!!!

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    1. Bro Fredrick
      //Which church are you attending now..after leaving TPM…
      We get together as an assembly of Christians without any denominational boundary. I do visit TPM as well. Our Family is still in the clutches of the beast. However, this testimony is not of mine but that of Brother Harry and I am sure you know his siblings serving as TPM Clergy.

      //I have a doubt…The prophecy that you hear in TPM meetings regularly…Is it really the Holy Spirit speaking to the church or man-made .. regular prophecies… deceiving the congregation…!!!!

      True Real Prophecies cannot be laced with falsity. Some points that you need to consider are as follows.
      1. If the prophecy has words like “Thus saith the Lord” or “The Lord Speaks to you from ZION”…Just be cautious…This is more or less the imposter spirit trying to imitate the way how Old Testament Prophets used to say.
      2. If it’s ambiguous like “My Son, My Son” when there are 100s of men sitting, its good to be ignored. The Prophet has an assignment to deliver the message to the recipient. Otherwise, it’s just like a postman who drops the letter meant for you on the street corner. He has the responsibility to ensure that you have received it and also UNDERSTOOD IT.
      3. It’s best not to be bothered about the so-called TPM Prophecy that you hear in their services. At best you should take it as an exhortation. Nothing more than that.
      4. Most of the TPM prophecies have a hidden agenda and it needs to be spiritually discerned.

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    2. Dear Brother Fredrick,
      I attend a Pentecostal denomination that does not claim to be the only true Body of Christ. The Pastor that I mentioned in my testimony, who lives some 750 Kms away from my home , conducts meetings at my home atleast once a month. Other sundays, as a family we have fellowship at my home itself.

      The Admin has replied to your query on prophesy and I would like to add a little to that….
      Real church prophecy in the words of Paul is mentioned in 1 Cor:14:24-25
      “But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.”

      BTW prophesies should not be like Indian Meteorological Department forecasts though….IT MAY OR MAY NOT RAIN .

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      1. My doubt on TPM prophecies ended a three years before after I saw Capt. Samuel’s similar message in malayalam. I haven’t seen another Evangelist in India who went into the depths of Satan.
        It then dawned on me how evil spirits control this area of gifts for misguiding the church.
        If we notice, during the vibration build up after the last song, the SOG will wilfully pause for some one with such spirit to blurt out…Like english Chacko, no Clergy in TPM has the discernment to understand this.
        Two years back in TPM Sharjah a sister was suffering from Cancer and whole church was praying for her.
        One friday after she stood up to testify, a believer brother suddenly thumping his knees on the ground and started prophesying loudly with gibberish. He stated that ” My daughter, I have seen your tears and will wipe it away. You will be healed…..thus sayeth…”.
        Sadly the sister passed away in few months.
        That was the last time he prophesied.
        In Jer 23:21 The Lord says, I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran : I have not spoken to
        them, yet they prophesied.
        Ver 17 : They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace ; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
        And 31 says Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, He saith…..
        I thank God for the small group of remanants that have their ears hearing the voice of their Beloved.

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        1. I think at Sharjah TPM gathering there are quite a number of Prophetess ..elite beleivers…Very difficult to discern the true and fake prophecies…In fact the clergy encourages every one to prophecy something…by singing a fast chorus again and again…. Really sad to know how the poor people are taken for a ride…

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      2. Thanks Admin bro for the video clip..Sr Jyothi of Chennai is another classic example of false propaganda thru the gift of prophecy…She left TPM ministry after nearly 40 years of service…
        English Chacko Pastor is now centre Pastor at Kottayam.. Kerala..

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        1. @Fredrick
          English Chacko is no more. The CP in Kottayam is P V Chacko. Initially, I also thought he was the same..But then later someone corrected me.

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  9. @Original TPM puppet-

    Beware ,we will continue to wage the relentless battle No worry.

    It was well known fact that In the past millennia wars were fought and won often on the basis of brute force or larger army. But even during such periods some commanders understood the value of strategy. Thus many of them were able to defeat a more massive and powerful enemy force by sheer strategy. Eventually military-strategy developed into a complex and highly refined science and art, and today no commander ever dares to venture out purely on the basis of his fire-power.

    The relationship between true Biblical faith and all kind of error is no different from warfare.
    Even if Bible believing Christians do not desire to fight, the other side has declared war. That was now clearly manifested by the sudden appearance of this “Original Harry-the TPM puppet-” that our brother MNSTF has picked and exposed in time.Dear brothers and sisters, unless we defend our territory, we will end up with a lot of our beloved people in the fold of the cults.
    Already the results are seen by the death of our young daughters and sons who are being sacrificed to this Molech.

    Thus for the sake of our children, brothers and sisters, family, and the church members, we are forced to fight back.Not that we are alone in these battles. But the grace of God ,has been successful in leading us thus far.
    Pray that His grace shall continue to lead us in the days to come as our beloved Saviour has raised this blessed site in its due time only for our sake

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  10. Just look at the sorry of sffairs of this TPM church that boast to have 95 years of experience.
    The number two EMPTY proudly declares that this Church has 93 years old ! and no one can match its history. Yes really no one match its blindnness that covers the whole laity of the subcontinent!
    There in PUNE we have the believer Sister ( a headmistress).
    We have one more beliver by name Ravikumar.S beinng used by the same spirit of that Sister has in PURE.
    Bro. Ravikumar.S, better listen.
    I too was saiIing the same boat that you are sailing now durinng the past years. God opened my eyes through visiting this bessed site.
    We will wait upon the Lord that wise counsel prevails upon you.
    Through the wonderful cllippinng that ADMN bro sent, we have come to know the fact how thw this LAITY has been largely responsible in misleading TPM church. (No doubt this TPM was blessed with full of wrong ,unbiblical teachings which was other side of the coin).
    Its a new revelation now!!!
    In the PUNE ( BHAVANIAGAR CENTRE FAKE HOME—We see the believer sister ,a headmistress
    who was found speaking in tongues– those false prophesies for the last 6 years,,,, even the CHIEF PASTOR could not catch her. That believer lady repeats the same witchcraft art in IRUM -March Conventions too. There also could not catch her.
    But look at God’s wonderful plan of catching the thieves!
    God sent an outside servant of God in Capt A.M Samuel to catch that thief ( the beliver in the form of false prophetess)that has been deceiving this Church of which their own servannts of God could not catch. for those 6 years. That is present state of enlightenmebnnt of the TPM Clergy.
    Ravikumar, God has got various strategies to pick those thieves.Are you reading?

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  11. When spouses from non TPM Pentecostal group stand up for the truth the doctrine of TPM falls down like a pack of cards! Soon TPM looses its faithful laity. And this is the primary reason why TPM is against its laity marrying outside the cult.

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  12. @Redeemed….vibration build up”………
    Dear Brother. hats off to your excellent coining of the word.
    Infact that is the real portraying of TPM beast’s mesmarism and its manners.
    Pl allow me to draw a caricature on this “build up”.upon this scene taking a cue from you

    How come suddenly that the spirit descends during the last song and that too while singing the last stanza!!!!
    There are some series of steps that beast mastered the art over the years that too after the arrival of
    song writers of TELUGU /TAMIL/MALAYALAM. The singing catches the speed ably initiated by the fast siginging of the lyrics of TELUGU/TAMIL/MALAYALLAM,These writers became experts over the years to put those words so as to suit the tuning as well. To quote a special name here is SAM SUNDER( the present CP of SECUNDERABAD ).He mastered the art of copying the tunes of Malayalam to Telugu and some times he copies the Arabic tunes also,It is heard that he also composes HINDI hymns also nowadays.
    Then to continue the subsequent state of singinng ,……Fast beating of drums begins at the last stanza of the song and songster repeates the final chorus 1,2,3,4.5 times before she closes as if she has reached summit of mountain.
    At this juncture the whole front line of the congragation mass of the convention is set on fire only to give a false notion and a false build up of divine power has emerged into midst of singer sister and the drummer sister followed by the believer community !
    And here ,theres’ another ineresting twist happens. The rest of the congregation consisting of the
    Sunday School staff and the innocent /ignorent believers mainly (sisters side) join the tempo of the
    so called outpouring of the divine power. (We strictly support the idea of Holy Spirit out pouring .But not like this drama . We are not questioning the outpourig of the Holy Spirit at all).
    But the manner in which it is dramatized in the church.
    Should we not have the power of discerning what is the genuine what is false way that is taking place.? Especially of so many years of spending the time with this CULT?
    What a false buid up that this beast gives and continue to give in these local worship services down on to the stage has been ably well supported by the laity!This is what dear brother Redeemed has pointed out here.
    This build up is well orchestrated in the INTRNL convention at IRUM starting with TELUGU song. When this false demo and build up is taking place in Indian Headquaters, all the new souls from other countries simply wonder. and the believer community from all other Indian states, poor countries from Nepal and Sri Lanka join the chorus as if it is this is the power of God on display!
    Reaching this stage is happy hunting ground for the main actors of the Clergy to tell the congregation that God’s power is descendinng . What a really false build up is this..
    I stronngly appeal to the TELUGU singing community of the believers against singing the tunes and lyrics penned by of a person who has been tainted by this site with the valid evidences. He has been
    composing these TELUGU hymns well over for nearly two decades.That is the power of the ‘build up’

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  13. Sis Jyothi Rani, kindly refer to this article https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2019/02/25/a-family-destroyed-by-moloch/
    till they day she was exposed was a shining star in the horizon of TPM. She used to prophesy at the International Irumbiliyur Convention sitting on the stage close to the Chief TPM Shepard. She was the international singer of TPM too. I remember her prophesying at Villivakkam FH every Sunday with a high pitch tone with well timed pauses and (Chinese) tounges. And at every pause the congregation used to jump and go gaga….NO ONE REALISED HER WITCHCRAFT SPIRIT.
    When she was exposed, TPM could no longer take her along. TPM isolated her made it a point that she had to walk out.
    Last heard her prophesying at Hosanna Pentecostal Faith Ministries Hyderabad.
    Poor lady what else can she do …lol
    Those who don’t search the Bible like Bereans are bound to be duped.

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  14. Hi everyone, I am French and I left this organisation, this cult after 18 years.
    God gave to me many verses during these last years, as revelation 2.2 and many many others. I agree with a lot of things about the web site fromtpm.com. I traveled all around the word for convention time and I have seen and listened many ridiculous and shocking things. Some members of my family are still captive and prisonnier. But God is faithful and will set them free and please to God to deliver all. Praise Jesus for opening my eyes. I was blind but now I see.

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    1. Merci beaucoup(Thank you very much) monsieur Abednego for visiting fromtpm.com and letting the TPM/NTC world know that you have been liberated from the darkness of TPM/NTC.

      Revelation 2:2 is a beautiful verse which sums up what TPM is and what a true child of God should do…

      2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

      Hope and pray that your family members also realise the Truth and be set free from this religious madness.

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  15. @Abednego
    Oh dear brother, Greetings to you in most blessed name of our Saiour.
    What a short and sweetest testimony heard from you today.
    After having read your words, I firmly believe now God has been working
    through you too.
    When I visited BRIXTON F.H exactly 14 years ago,there was a new worker
    brother by name Simon hailed from Vile Parlle( Mumbai-India).
    Do you recollect?
    He left this CULT ministry subsequentlly.
    At that time the present Abraham Mathew was serving as head of BRIXTON ,
    keeping one elder brother ( Sri Lakan born) as his centre asst with Sr Rachel was
    the elder sister. Now that asst has become incharge in Paris F.H I am unable to
    recall his name.
    Welcome to the band of 1 PET 2:5 and most importantly you are 1 PET 2:9 .
    Hence beware of the BLACK SHEEP that move around this site and keep some
    very tricky mails as if to give an indication that they also belong to the original sheep.
    Always do check up with ADMN brother and his team who are experts in catching these thieves/BLACK SHEEP that are moving around this site.

    This beast called UPC/NTC specially employed them.They are believers too.
    Regularly many clergy are in the habit of visitinng this site and get themselves updated.
    Doesn’t matter. we can easily pick them out what their real colours are.
    They come to this site with an anonymous name, but we catch them as BLACK SHEEP,
    Then they vanish and come back again with another anonymous name to deceive us with a spirit
    of deception. So we need to blessed with the spirit of discernment. Are you ready?
    Daily you & I need need this special gift in order to fight our battles with this beasy.
    All the best.

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    1. @Unmaimattumae nilaikum
      I started attending meetings at Villivakkam from the time of Pas. Raja Ratnam
      But I know Pas Devraj as his sister was the incharge mother at our faith home.

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  16. @ …..Abednego.
    Yes, brother Abednego, now I am recollecting his name.
    He is ps. Roshan . At that time he was only Elder brother.
    Now he is in Paris FH as incharge.God knows how long this
    CULT will flourish and then fade away when a Bible beiieving
    staunch believers like you come to know the real VISAGE of
    this beast that was hidden all along these years.Once we rejoice
    over your redemption from this beast.All glory to God.

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  17. Zion is only for Eunuchs. That is only for those who never had sex with opposite sex or with same sex. So all once married servants of God cannot enter Zion.

    Luke 20:34-36
    [34] And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: [35] But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: [36] Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. 

    Matthew 19:10-12
    [10] His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. [11] But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. [12] For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it , let him receive it. 

    Revelation 14:4
    [4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

    As per the above verses, TPM servants of God would be tested. If they keep themselves pure and clear the test, they go to Zion. If they fail the test they cannot go to Zion. Their place is only hell. Out of 100 at least 1 will preserve himself with zeal. That is the reason it is taking so much time to attain the number 144000.

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    1. Koilmani Stephen Daniel’s verses and thinking are excellent examples of what will happen when you remove the verses out of the context and read it separately.
      Just read the surrounding verses in the context and you will understand the true picture.

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    2. Yes, Sir, Very Spritual Stephen Daniel Koilmani, you are absolutely and truly deceived… the servants of TPM’s are all going to zion to meet their father, the father of all liars.

      You are an educated man, can you please stop for a moment and read the Bible without your Chief Liar Allwyn’s lens and you will be delivered from this grand TPM zion delusion.

      Read the articles on this site as it helps in delivering people from this delusion.

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    3. @Koilmani Stephen
      As per your interpretation of Luke 20:34-36,

      1) Are believers of tpm not accounted worthy to escape to heaven ?
      2) Do tpm workers don’t die (see verse 36)?

      You are reading Luke 20:34-36 according to your tpm fed understanding. Read it in actual context of what is taking place and how Jesus is answering in context of question asked to him.

      The verse 34-36 can be paraphrases as follows,

      The children of the world, (meaning they who have physical bodies, like you me and Sadducees), will die and marry. The seven brothers were of the world , having physical bodies. They married one woman, and died.

      But if the seven brothers go to heaven, or if they are accounted worthy to escape this Earth, then in heaven, they will not marry nor die.

      Therefore on the question of whose wife she will be, the answer of Jesus is that she won’t marry any of seven brothers in heaven and they won’t die in heaven.

      Simple point of Christ is that, in heaven, heavenly bodies don’t marry or die. Only earthly people die and marry, not heavenly.

      I hope you’ll start reading Bible in context from hence forth.

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    4. Dear KSD,
      I was reading Matt 19:1-12. Here, Jesus explains about marriage about how they become one flesh and how He had planned it that way and that they should not be separated.

      Then, the Pharisees brought to him, the law of Moses on divorce. Jesus explained on how divorce was in the eyes of God.. The disciples marveled at it and in a human way, wanted an easy way out to remain single.

      Jesus then spoke in verses 11 and 12 that some remain single (eunuchs) due to defects in birth, some due to external effects or injuries and some due to the extreme focus on their mission. (BTW, it may be for worldly or godly reasons). But for the married life, they have to understand the divine interpretation.

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    5. That’s how the business runs knowingly or unknowingly… People go inside and make them selves fit for white clothes… Is that God intended.. Can a place in heaven achieved using work…. Please read chapters in romans..

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    6. Dear Brother Koilmani Stephen Daniel,
      The verses you have quoted are custom made answers by TPM for justifying their Zion doctrine. But is it scriptural or man-made?
      Brother Nath, Brother Kumar and Brother Franklin have very nicely replied to the verses you quoted. But I fail to see any reply from your end. As most of the TPM snoopers you have also shooted and scooted.
      Anyways your statement:
      //Zion is only for Eunuchs. That is only for those who never had sex with opposite sex or with same sex. So all once married servants of God cannot enter Zion.//
      is so hilarious in the context of TPM and the Bible. Please consider the following verse.
      1 Cor:9:5 says:
      Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?
      As per TPM logic Cephas is ruled out of your “Zion” …He was married.
      But what does Jesus say about Peter whose Mother-In -Law Jesus healed…
      “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. “(Matthew:16:18-19)

      MOREOVER THE FOUNDER OF TPM Pr. PAUL WAS A MARRIED MAN AND HAD CHILDREN. Are you also ruling him out of TPM Zion?

      You stated:
      //As per the above verses, TPM servants of God would be tested. If they keep themselves pure and clear the test, they go to Zion. If they fail the test they cannot go to Zion. Their place is only hell. Out of 100 at least 1 will preserve himself with zeal. That is the reason it is taking so much time to attain the number 144000.//

      Do u think that there will be Virginity test when your white clads go to heaven ? (Like this one…”If a boy urinates straight up into the air, he is a virgin. If the urine sprays, he has had sex before. Khumalo said expert male virginity testers could determine virginity by looking at the colour of the knees. If a man’s knees are dark, he was not a virgin.” https://www.news24.com/xArchive/Archive/Virginity-test-for-boys-on-cards-20020130)

      You say that “out of 100 atleast 1 will preserve himself with zeal. “. So you are supporting TPMs view of salvation through works and not by grace. Please read the scriptures without TPMs lenses. May God open your eyes.

      Do you know what is God’s standard of purity?
      Matthew: 5: 28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

      How many of your white clads can say that they are blameless in the light of the above verse?

      SO MY DEAR BROTHER KOILMANI STEPHEN please dont reduce Zion to something that depends on the reproductive organs of the body. ZION IS THE HABITATION OF THE MOST HIGH.

      What does Paul say:

      2 Corinthians 11:2-3
      “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

      We know that the letter was addressed to the Church of Corinthians which included married people. Therefore the virginity that the Bible speaks is that of being faithful to Jesus Christ, faithful to His doctrines. The spiritual man loses his virginity when he defiles himself with the “Woman” i.e., the harlot woman…the false church…the false doctrines.

      The Zion’s doctrine of TPM (Deeper doctrine…maybe as deep from hell) was ushered in only after 1923 but what does Paul say in Gal: 1:8
      “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. ”

      Remember Rev: 14:4
      And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

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  18. Christians get confused with grace and works. Salvation has 2 parts. Initial salvation and final salvation. Our initial salvation can be compared to God delivering the Israelites from Egypt through mighty miracles. So our initial salvation is purely by grace of God. But all who left Egypt could not enter The Promised Land. Only 2 entered. They could not enter because of their unbelief. Jesus said only those who do the will of God will enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21). Jesus said one who knows the master’s will but did not do the will of the master will be beaten with many strips (Luke 12:47). So for our final salvation we need to have works. But we will not boast on our works. We will say we worked by the grace of God. Paul labourer much. But he says it was by the grace of God. James too clarifies this when he says faith without work is dead (James 2:20).

    Now coming to the topic that only people who did not have sex will be able to enter Zion. In Matthew 19:27-28 Jesus Himself clearly said ‘But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage’. When Peter and other disciples of Jesus who were married asked what will they receive because they forsook all and followed Jesus, Jesus said ‘in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel’. Jesus is saying his disciples will judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Israelites will be found in New Heaven and in New Earth as they belonged to conscience period and law period. What Jesus is saying is because they were married, they will rule over the saints of conscience period and law period. That is the disciples belong to New Jerusalem. People in Zion will rule over the people of New Jerusalem. 

    In Matthew 19:12 Jesus talks about ‘eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake’. In Revelation 14:4 it is clearly mentioned ‘These are they which were not defiled with women’. According to above verses Zion is clearly for people who did not marry. The interpretation that New Jerusalem and Zion is the Most Holy Place and that married members of the church can enter the Most Holy Place contradicts the words of Jesus. I think this doctrine was added in TPM just to pacify the members of church. It does not have basis on the Bible. 

    According to me, members of the church will only enter into the holy place. Consecrated servants of God will enter into the Most Holy Place where God dwells. Conscience period saints and law period saints will be in outer court. According to me they are not part of the kingdom of God because when Jesus began His ministry He preached repent the kingdom of heaven is near. Why should He preach that kingdom of heaven is near if they were part of the kingdom of heaven. This proves that New Earth and New Heaven do not form part of the kingdom of heaven. They can be compared to outer court. 

    Married members of the church are also priests through the anointing and can do the ministry of a priest in the Holy Place which is New Jerusalem. But only consecrated servants of God can enter Most Holy Place as per the teaching of Jesus. The purpose of Jesus coming to Earth was to make a way for fallen man to enter the Most Holy Place. For man to enter the Most Holy Place he must consecrate himself and live a unmarried life. 

    As a type of this we can see in the Old Testament that only the High Priest can enter the Most Holy Place. Other priests can enter only the Holy Place. High Priest can be compared to servants of God who would enter Zion and normal priests can be compared to members of the church who would enter New Jerusalem which is the Holy Place.

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    1. @Koilmani Stephen Daniel
      //Christians get confused with grace and works. Salvation has 2 parts. Initial salvation and final salvation. Our initial salvation can be compared to God delivering the Israelites from Egypt through mighty miracles. So our initial salvation is purely by the grace of God.

      Where do you get this notion that the Final Salvation needs WORKS whereas the Initial Salvation Needs ONLY Grace?

      Do you think the Israelites would have escaped out of Egypt if they did not observe Passover and if they were not covered by the blood of the Lamb? Do you think they would have been saved if they would have been out of their house which had divine protection? Would you consider Passover observance as Work or Faith?

      When you say that the Final Salvation is based on WORKS, you also say that Faith in Jesus is not sufficient for the Final Salvation. Dear KSD, Works are a byproduct of faith and not the cause for your salvation.

      Salvation is always By Grace through faith irrespective of the stage.


      All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. Heb 11:13

      YOUR SALVATION IS NOT BASED ON HAVING SEX OR NOT. DO YOU GET THAT KOILMANI?

      First, remove your TPM lens before you read the scriptures.

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    2. Brother Koilmani , Can you shed light on four doubts I have. Answer them numerically as I have numbered them..

      1) Can you explain why did the veil of temple rent when Jesus died on cross? What did the veil signify earlier and what’s it’s renting signified after?

      2) Can you patiently give read to article and respond how can you still hold unbiblical dispentialism inspite of clear evidence from scriptures?
      https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/08/15/teaching-tpm-diminish-glory-jesus-christ-project-glory/
      3) I have already explained you Matthew 19:27-28. Please read before posting response.
      If Peter and other Apostles had left their wives, then what is validity of claim of Apostle Paul in “1 Corinthians 9:5
      Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? ”

      4) One more , if John the Baptist is in New heaven or new earth as tpm interprets then can you explain to me whats difference between two?

      Can you read through following article and respond
      https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/11/20/tpm-replacing-grace-with-monastic-life/
      Please don’t be in hurry. We were like you a staunch tpm supporter untill truth hit us. So pls do assume that your reasonings are not new to us. We had vouched for same untill we encountered the truth. So kindly read articles before hastily posting response.

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    3. @Koilmani,

      Interesting observations,

      Does this mean that Jesus’s death on the cross was not enough to save mankind?

      Can you please clear my confusion.

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    4. @ ksd
      @KSD
      Please enlighten us on
      John 5:24
      Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

      Also answer,
      5) When did Holy Spirit descend upon house of Cornelius? After getting circumcision ,baptism, and after him undergoing other steps of salvation or only after they believed the gospel being spoken by Peter. Isn’t it sufficient proof given by God to Jews , that only belief in Jesus is necessary before God? Or do still so adamantly blind that few steps are required to get anointing which is seal of redemption ( Eph 1;13) ?

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      1. After my parents joined TPM, they were forced to get rebaptised, even though they considered themselves as having obeyed the Lord already.

        Years later, my sick grandfather was taken from deathbed and baptised (rebaptised) because of the terrible pressure on my dad saying that they(TPM) saw visions of my grandpa screaming in hell, because of non TPM baptism.
        My grandpa agreed because he had no choice. He was not even a member of our church but was staying in our house, so was forced to comply. This created a rift and he went to stay separately.

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    5. @KSD

      What about those who were raped by Alwyn and his disciples, or for that matter, any type of sexual violence?

      Are they also worthy to go to Alwyn’s Zion?

      What about Paul’s suggestion saying it’s great to serve being unmarried, due to the national
      calamity and religious intolerance- however PLEASE marry if you must. Was Paul wrong?

      Do you know that TPM used to preach openly in the 80’s that man and wife cannot become eligible for New Jerusalem, unless they gradually become like brother-sister? They used the same verse citing Paul “Have we not power to lead a sister as does Cephas?”

      Dear KSD, unfortunately you are bound for hell, whether you like it or not. Your own godmen’s rule books doom you, because you might not be celibate. Can you come to the measure of their imagination which claims ‘Asexual reproduction’ as in Eden’s plan, so in the 1000 year reign?

      Only those believers who reject intimacy as ‘garments spotted’ ‘concupiscence’ etc can give birth to their own kind, like trees. Such children are called ‘trees of righteousness that will clap their hands’

      Unable to hide their embarrassment, they use apologists such as Pastor M.T Thomas and Pas. Teju to give diplomatic reasons.

      KSD, they have tickled your ears and thrown wool over your eyes.

      My sincere suggestion, please get deceived until you realise it first hand.

      I was like you many many years ago…. few workers warned me, few believers warned me, family discouraged me. But I enjoyed the blindness. I joined the ministry. I quit it because I realised it’s nothing about service, its about social and psychological reconditioning which they call as training..
      You are trained to be an yesman, a lapdog, a bellboy. You are consoled saying in 5 years time, you will have luxuries which is a sign that God has honoured your training period suffering.

      I pity the deceived but the simple fact is that:
      Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

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      1. //Do you know that TPM used to preach openly in the 80’s that man and wife cannot become eligible for New Jerusalem, unless they gradually become like brother-sister? They used the same verse citing Paul “Have we not power to lead a sister as does Cephas?”

        There were TPM Pastors who used to preach that if the woman is pregnant, she will not be caught up in the second coming because the baby is not perfected. What all nonsense these fellows speak out?

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  19. @Koilmani Stephen Daniel,
    If your indoctrination is correct, why did Jesus select unmarried people as His deciples? Do you think Jesus is a family breaker?

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  20. @KSD, Any doctrine which did not come from Jesus or his Apostles is clearly apostasy.
    You seem to agree that TPM doctrines was established to pacify church. Then you think and then you compare.
    Brother, wake up.
    The schematic diagram which you will see on many walls of TPM churches illustrating various levels of heaven and hell with SOG placed on peak of Zion is FROM THE DEVIL.
    Dont forget the temple veil that was rent in half from top to bottom…THERE IS JUST ONE HIGH PRIEST NOW..Rest are all out of Job buddy. The problem is that they have not realised it yet.
    Pls. read Romans and Hebrews over and over again instead of the evil books and VOP you have.

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  21. Pascal lamb sacrifice and all are part of initial salvation. Only with initial salvation experience one cannot enter The Promised Land. That is what I am trying to explain.

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    1. Dear Koilmani,
      The Escape from Egypt required the Israelites to do below.
      1. To believe in the words of Moses
      2. The Sacrifice of the Lamb and applying its blood on the doorposts and obedience to the commandment of Moses to eat the roasted meat without any leaven. They should ensure that all their family is within the protection of the blood.


      Do you consider the above as WORK(Final Salvation as per you) or Only Grace(Initial Salvation as per you)?

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  22. All that u said are part of initial salvation which is purely by the grace of God. Jesus delivered us from the slavery of Satan through His sacrifice. There is no other way we can be delivered from the clutches of Satan. That is initial salvation. After that we have to love God and do His will. It is here the Israelites failed. So only 2 who left Egypt could enter The Promised Land.

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    1. @KSD
      You have a problem of not answering the question. Let me answer for you. Just Grace will not save you if you do not accept it by Faith. God’s grace for the salvation of ALL MANKIND is available, but ONLY those who accept it by faith will be saved. And the genuineness of that Faith is proved by the works which accompany it(James 2:14-26). There is nothing called a free pass for the initial salvation and a more stringent pass for the FINAL ONE. To say that your initial salvation is PURE GRACE and the Final Salvation is WORKS, is HERESY. What is the purpose of the Initial Salvation when your changed the Goal post midway? Is that the Kind of God you serve?

      You are saved by Grace through faith INITIALLY, PROGRESSIVELY and FINALLY. There is NO OTHER FORMULA. What you are saying is TPM’s CRAP.


      For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God Eph 2:8

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    2. @KSD
      @ Jesus delivered us from the slavery of Satan through His sacrifice. There is no other way we can be delivered from the clutches of Satan. That is initial salvation.

      Question 1: When did we fall in clutches of Satan ?
      Question 2: Were Old Testament saints also in Clutches of Satan?
      Question 3: If yes then who rescued them ? Or were they never rescued ?

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    3. //After that we have to love God and do His will.

      Once you trust Jesus by faith, works will follow automatically.
      But TPM teaches that attending meetings, dress, lot of regulations will make them holy and please God and it is totally wrong. Read the story of Zaccheus (Luke 19)
      “He has gone [c]to be the guest of a man who is a sinner.” 8 Zaccheus stopped and said to the Lord, “Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I [d]will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I [e]will give back four times as much.”
      He not only believed Jesus but also gave back to poor and looted money . (This is works that follow after your faith ) Hope you got it. This is very simple I feel for you to understand !

      Why TPM goer like you cannot understand grace of Jesus is that it has legalistic teachings. ! Also TPM does not introduce you a real Jesus. They preach false god who is full of rules and regulations .

      It is sweet and easy to serve Jesus . TPM on contrary has tough yoke .(eg.) three hour meeting in sunday, followed by different ministries. Your entire sunday goes away. People think that they please God by separating from their family. But it is not God’s will. He will use you where ever you go. Because we are the temple of living God.(2 corinthians 6:16).

      Mathew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

      Jesus is love 🙂

      Rating: 5
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  23. Ephesians 2:8 talks about initial salvation it is not talking about final salvation. For final salvation we have to do the will of God and walk the narrow way of rejecting the glory of this world which people of the world and also most Christians run after.

    Any way I have put my views forward because some thought I would post and run away and don’t respond. Please pray for me that I could understand like you can understand. I too will pray that you can understand like I understand. It is God who answers prayers.

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    1. //Ephesians 2:8 talks about initial salvation it is not talking about final salvation. For final salvation we have to do the will of God and walk the narrow way of rejecting the glory of this world which people of the world and also most Christians run after

      Wow. My Friend Why do not you please send me the verses which say that the so-called FINAL Salvation supports your doctrine. Where is the Verse?

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    2. @Koilmani Stephen Daniel,
      Don’t you know that TPM has 2 births in the same way they have 2 salvations. One is from the womb of the mother and the other is to the womb of Satan.

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    3. Dear Stephen,

      if you truly seek the Truth, you will find it. Please use the sources which are freely available here and elsewhere on the net and you will find that you have been duped. Please question what has been taught and seek the answers.

      I was also in the same boat, in fact my family has been in TPM for many generations but when I started looking for answers, I realised that I was not even a Christian. God in His mercy opened my eyes and I wish the same for you.

      I have read your blog and know that you are an educated man, so please become a Berean and test all the TPM doctrines and you will realise that you are a slave to fear. I sincerely hope that you will also see the Truth. The very fact that you keep coming back to this site shows that you are seeking and believe me, our God is faithful to give you the answers and take you into his fold.

      Check the teachings of other cults like Jehovah’s witnesses and Mormons and you will find that TPM is also very much the same.

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    4. @ KS Daniel
      You not able to answer their questions? Don’t be depressed. From day thou set thy heart to understand, I am send to help thee. O beloved KS Daniel, I will shew all noted in scriptures.

      There are 25 salvations. Step by step we overcome them and are saved from its deathly power over us. At last we attain final salvation. But we have journey ahead. We must cross all barrier and achieve all garments of salvation.

      * Salvation from Sin
      * Salvation from Satan
      * Salvation from sickness
      * Salvation from curse
      * Salvation from law
      * Salvation from old nature
      * Salvation from principalities powers etc
      * Salvation from worldliness
      * Salvation from spiritual blindness
      * Salvation from spiritual lame
      * Salvation from spiritual deafness
      * Salvation from false teachings
      * Salvation from speaking lies
      * Salvation from eyes of lust
      * Salvation from jeans
      * salvation from jwelery
      * Salvation from electoral voting
      * Salvation from reading novels
      * Salvation from medicines
      * Salvation from independent church.
      * Salvation from Christmas Easter
      * Salvation from relatives
      * Salvation from care of parents, family.
      * Salvation from marriage life.
      * Salvation from 7 years tribulations ( final salvation).

      23,24 salvation are for consecrated servants of god. No one can sing these songs. Only they born in Zion can attain these salvations. Only they can be saved from 23,24 sins.

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      1. @Elina
        I think you missed out Salvation from Sex which was the main point of KSD to enter Zion.


        Our ministry is centred around Salvation FROM TPM

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      2. @Elina
        “Salvation from jeans”
        What a revelation! You are really a comic relief to the visitors to this site. Your satirical comments are such a relief/emotional break from the tension of a serious discussion. I am sure KSD will be embarrassed by your comment.

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        1. @ Elina,

          What about point 26 you forgot to add- ‘Salvation from clothes’

          Wasn’t it propounded proliferately by Alwyn- the founder of your religious sect?

          The need of the hour is Jehu(s) who can see through the nonsense of Jezebel and be bold enough to pull her down.

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      3. @elina
        Which step are you in currently ?
        What will be the outcome after all these ? Can you quote some verses from scripture to support these steps ?

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        1. @ Surya
          You little child in learned teachings. You display childishness again. When will you grow to Mbbs md level ?

          //Can you quote some verses from scripture to support these steps ?

          These are Revelations! Revelations my dear ! Do you understand what Revelation means? If you get direct scripture then it is no more Revelation; but only plain truth know to all. Then what value remain of our being as apostles, if everybody can discover truths ? Why would any one live such a hard consecrated life, if god give truth to all? Our value increases only when we tell people what depth of Revelation we have. Then only people praise us.

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        2. @Elina,

          Interesting answer, revelations from TPM apostles??? I’m a bit confused.
          How do you know these revelations are from God or from the Devil or from their own vain imagination? can you please explain.

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      4. Elena o Elena, which hospital were you born in Sion, my friend who hails from mumbai was born in Samadhan Hospital in Sion.

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      5. @Elina,

        You missed the most important thorn in TPM’s flesh –

        “Salvation from fromtpm.com”

        I feel sorry for you, the TPM puppet masters have brain washed you so much that you have become their slave.

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  24. @KSD
    My humble appeal to you my friend KSD,that he should read the WORD with an unbiased mind.The glaring fact is that he could not cite a single Scripture reference in support of his claim that INITIAL SALVATION and FINAL SALVATION.A gross misrepresenntation of the PURE WORD OF GOD.My Bible does not spell about two different salvations that KSD is talking about.That was not his knowledge. He was indoctrinated by keeping with the contnuous fellowship of TPM CULT Sunday messages, BIBLE STUDIES,Convention attending when ever he finds time.First he must our of this slavery.Its very innteresting that he gives his own quotations.
    Always he says……according to me ….. he wrote twice….like the one below…
    “.According to me, members of the church will only enter into the holy place. Consecrated servants of God will enter into the Most Holy Place where God dwells. Conscience period saints and law period saints will be in outer court. According to me they are not part of the kingdom of God because when Jesus began His ministry He preached repent the kingdom of heaven is near. ”
    My friend the WORD is not written according to you nor according to me……. You need to understand first. You were only parroting the TPM SUNDAY SCHOOL book stuff what ever quoting about Pascal Lamb.
    I am going to suggest my friend KSD after reading the series of the debates that have taken place with in the site.. he must read Hebrew 13:1 &2″
    ” Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
    2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
    My friennd KSD, just pay heed to me, you ‘ve got a great cloud of witnesses before you in this site ,as you sought prayer help, certainly we will pray for you. As our brotherRedeemed wrote …..Pls. read Romans and Hebrews over and over again instead of the evil books and VOP you have. …..it is a timey advise for you.I was also an entraped like you before I came across this blessed site 2 years ago.

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  25. Verse for final salvation I had already quoted earlier. It is what Jesus said saying Him Lord Lord cannot help us enter the kingdom of heaven but only doing the will of God can help us to go into heaven (Matthew 7:21). Doing the will of God is a large subject so the verses would be spread across the Bible. The reason only 2 Israelites who left Egypt could enter The Promised Land was because they did not have a desire to do the will of God joyfully. Just as the Israelites were not willing to do the will of God today most Christians do not have the desire to do the will of God. The same spirits which made the Israelites to rebel against God is operating amongst Christians today and giving them wrong interpretation of the Bible verses and think they are right and others wrong. We should not judge others. We should talk about the revelation we have. Making fun about others, talking bad about others are all sign that we have inside us the evil one. If we have the spirit of God inside us, we would speak good about others and words of humility will be revealed through us.

    I visit the site to defend the truth. I don’t defend TPM. Earlier I had commented on tithe. Now I am commenting on why it is the plan of God that inhabitants of Zion should never had sex.

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    1. //Verse for final salvation I had already quoted earlier. It is what Jesus said saying Him Lord Lord cannot help us enter the kingdom of heaven but only doing the will of God can help us to go into heaven (Matthew 7:21).

      My Friend Matt 7:21 is applicable for every time and everyone. It is not ONLY for your so-called final salvation. You seem to be saying that the so-called Initial Salvation does not mandate to follow the will of God. Where do you get all this my friend?

      The Two who entered Canaan entered NOT because of any Special Final Salvation. They entered because they BELIEVED and Their Works attested to it. It is the same way They Believed and Came out of Egypt. Without FAITH it is IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD(HEB 11:6).
      The People who could not enter Canaan had that fate ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF (HEB 3:19)

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  26. Yes because of unbelief people are misinterpreting the truth. It is Satan who brings unbelief. Satan brings unbelief in us when we don’t have a heart to obey what God reveals to us.

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    1. @KSD
      People misinterpret truth not because of unbelief but because of their vested interests. Most of the Israelites could not enter Canaan because of unbelief.
      Why are you going round in circles?

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  27. Dear Brother Koilmani Stephen Daniel,
    You statement //Christians get confused with grace and works.//
    It is not Christians but it is TPM that is confused with grace and works
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    Your statement: //Salvation has 2 parts. Initial salvation and final salvation. Our initial salvation can be compared to God delivering the Israelites from Egypt through mighty miracles. So our initial salvation is purely by grace of God…… So for our final salvation we need to have works.//
    Unlike your view, Salvation is not categorized into two parts. Salvation (meaning deliverance from sin and its consequences) is a process which ends only when Christ appears in His glory.
    1 Peter 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us NEW BIRTH into a living hope THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade – kept in heaven for you, who THROUGH FAITH ARE SHIELDED BY GOD’S POWER until the COMING OF THE SALVATION that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
    At Christ’s coming when we will be like Him, our salvation will be complete. (1 John 3:2 ….but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as He is.)
    We are SAVED by faith and we believe and have faith that when Christ will appear we will be SAVED. The word SAVED by “Faith” (Heb 11:1) has a futuristic connotation too. [My wife was no longer barren the day she conceived (beginning of the process) but we became proud parents to the world on the day she gave birth (end of the process) to a baby]. You are SAVED in the real sense when you escape from eternal hell fire. We may be jumping around saying that we are saved but the final verdict will be at His coming.
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    Your statement: //……So for our final salvation we need to have WORKS. But we will not boast on our works. We will say we worked by the grace of God. Paul labourer much. But he says it was by the grace of God.//
    Ephesians:2:8-10
    For by grace you have been SAVED (The Complete process of Salvation) through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
    Romans 11:6 : But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the BASIS OF WORKS, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
    Romans: 4 : 4-6: Now to the ONE WHO WORKS, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who DOES NOT WORK but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness APART FROM WORKS:
    Romans: 4: 9-11 We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised.

    When we try to divide salvation into steps, you tend to insert your own interpretation. When you say Salvation is completed by works it is just like saying that the paddy crop gave the yield because of it enduring the heat of the sun everyday and the farmers role was just pushing some seeds into the ground.
    Whatever effort the paddy crop takes to yield the crops is explained as: “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for GOOD WORKS, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” So lets bear this in mind that whatever GOOD WORKS we are doing is a result of our SALVATION and not vice versa. If the paddy crop does not yield itself to the process of photosynthesis and respiration, it will die out….just like “Faith without work is dead (James 2:20)
    Is: 57: 12 I will declare thy righteousness, and thy WORKS; for they shall NOT PROFIT THEE.

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    Your statement // Jesus is saying his disciples will judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Israelites will be found in New Heaven and in New Earth as they belonged to conscience period and law period. What Jesus is saying is because they were married, they will rule over the saints of conscience period and law period. That is the disciples belong to New Jerusalem. People in Zion will rule over the people of New Jerusalem. //
    Can you substantiate your case with verses to say that there are categories like Conscience period and Law period saints and they will go only to New Heaven and New Earth?
    Your statement //That is the disciples belong to New Jerusalem. People in Zion will rule over the people of New Jerusalem//
    Brother what stops you from adding that those in Zion (TPM white clads) will rule over Jesus also?
    If we consider the spiritual family as a building JESUS is the CHIEF CORNER STONE, next in order is the FOUNDATION Of The Apostles and Prophets followed by the building UPPER STRUCTURE and finally the GATES (The 12 tribes). The building from the Corner stone to the Gates is the commonwealth of Israel. And we the gentiles (wild olives) have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel i.e., into the building structure. Therefore please consider the following verse before you shower all powers to TPM white clads in heaven to judge Enoch, Abraham, Moses and David.

    Romans 11: 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
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    Since you keep harping that abstinence from sexual intercourse with/without marriage decides ones position in heaven…. Suppose if your views are correct then remember that God’s standard is not limited to physical relationship as you can see in Matt:5:28. By a look you can be defiled. CAN TPM EUNNUCHS SAY THAT THEY HAVE KEPT THEMSELVES PURE AS PER JESUS’ STANDARDS IN MATT: 5:28?
    But please consider the humility of Paul in Romans 7: 7-8
    7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of CONCUPISCENCE (“strong sexual desire”). For without the law sin was dead.9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
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    Please meditate on the following verses and compare it with the teachings of TPM and please stop promoting the young minds to join TPM ministry with the promise of non-existent TPM’s Zion :
    Colossians:2:18-23
    Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God. Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
    Acts:15:10
    Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

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    1. Wonderful reply, exposing the hypocrisy and falsehood of TPM doctrines, especially relating to their Zion and virginity .

      Any TPM’ite reading this should put their head down in shame and disgust and REPENT, REPENT AND REPENT….Jesus is not far off for those who REPENT, He is near…We have such a sweet Lord….

      We can be ever be wrong but His word is always RIGHT and I plead with the young minds to read this reply of Harry, search the scriptures and allow Holy Spirit to work in their minds to be delivered from this delusion of Zion and New Jerusalem.

      Praise Jesus

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  28. Dear Brother KSD
    Your statement…//So for our final salvation we need to have works. But we will not boast on our works. We will say we worked by the grace of God. //
    Reminds me of some people who present gifts to others. They remove the price tag but make sure that they “accidentally” drop the price tag into the carry bag before gifting it to the said person…..
    Just like your statement WE WILL NOT BOAST ON OUR WORKS.
    We can never fool God.

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  29. I am so happy to see Bro. ABAS ‘s comments after a long lapse of time.
    I praise and thank God for the beautiful onine fellowship that we are having as a result of daily visiting this site.

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    1. How do we deal with half baked folks who could be family or relatives or close friends who were TPM once, but have left the church.
      They still retain all the mannerisms of TPM in their blood but desire the liberality that other churches usher.

      Generally speaking a good chunk of Christendom has superficial relationship with the kingdom of God, whilst on the other hand, another big chunk are the secret Christians, who face oppression and pain like no one else

      What is the earliest sign or symptom of a converted heart, especially those who leave cults?

      Can anyone let me know

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      1. @ Denzel
        @ What is the earliest sign or symptom of a converted heart, especially those who leave cults?

        I think it is encounter with truth .

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      2. Earliest sign as far as I have experienced, when I left TPM, was FREEDOM FROM FEAR OF men or from the god of TPM. Simultaneously, as I was being relieved from fear, Jesus led me to know who He is…

        John 17:3 – And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

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      3. @ Denzel Joy

        //What is the earliest sign or symptom of a converted heart, especially those who leave cults?

        From my side it was love for everyone. As I left TPM I was able to experience the love for all humans irrespective of their colour, religion. Then I was able to share the gospel with everybody in my flat, workplace etc. I still carry some John gospel everyday , when the holyspirit instills to share gospel immediately I was able to do without fear. While I was in TPM I wanted to share gospel with others but never did it. Instead I will invite for TPM service. This is the order in my life after I came to seek Jesus and started to walk with Him.
        1.) Love
        2.)Freedom from fear
        3.) Independent in Christ.
        The final thing is I will not expect a human to be dependent on them. Even my spouse, I love him yet I am not totally enslaved to any human. I feel completely relaxed and always have a cheerful heart. I feel Jesus is enough in my life. But all these took a long time and still going on a daily process. Even when I was in TPM , I was not that much fearing any SOG. I had fear of sharing gospel always but this left only after my personal encounter with Jesus. Also from my childhood days I wanted to serve Jesus, though I had little knowledge of true God. So while I was in TPM , I always prayed Jesus to use me. I was also not from TPM background , I was born and brought up in a hindu family.
        The earliest symptom or sign is “trying to understand Jesus”. Without this if a person leaves TPM again goes to some other denomination it is like going from one club to another. I think I have answered you. This is based on my personal experience of leaving TPM. Apart from this site , I personally was able to realise TPM is wrong. After 2 days I found this site.

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        1. Sis. Surya, When I read the three changes after your walk with Christ, one being Freedom from fear, it reminded me of a recent predicament by SOG’s during last Dubai Convention.
          A day before when Pas Andrew passed away during his sermon, there was workers meeting in Dubai. One worker sister supposedly prophesied that one flower was ready and will be plucked away.
          So as per Pr Thomas of Doha, all were in confusion. As they recently lost Sis. Prasanna, and no one else was sick, they all wondered who will be the next flower.
          Pas Thomas stated that he was worried as he believed he was not ready yet.
          They say they are apostles and High Priest and yet are afraid to Die.
          Instead of wishing that they better be that flower they all wished they wont be this time.

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  30. @harry,

    Please put on TPM lens again and you will see that suddenly all these verses mean something totally different and sometimes contradictory to what you have written

    I mean that light heartedly

    I hope many fence sitters open their Bibles and decide for themselves

    Admin can cry out all day like Isaiah, but it needs willingness on the part of die hards to admit they have been scammed by a cult in the name of a free pass to heaven

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  31. Dear Elina
    //Then only people praise us.
    Your statement is correct.
    John 12:43
    43 For they loved praise from men more than praise from God.

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