Rapture Series – Pre-Trib vs Post Trib – 6

The last article of this series was about the truth of TPM’s Orders of Resurrection. This article is about another subject which is popular among pre-tribulation preachers and therefore is also heard from TPM pulpits. It is called IMMINENCE Teaching. In this teaching, the TPM pastors teach their believers that Jesus could return anytime. Let us examine this teaching of TPM in light of scriptures.

Let us see what does the word Imminent mean.

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By the very definition, it does not require any event to precede it. It could happen as we speak. I hope you understood the meaning.

The Portions of scripture which is used to derive the doctrine of Imminence is shown below.


36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matt 24:36

“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. Rev 22:12

You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.” Luke 12:40


As usual, when you take a verse and remove it from the context, we can prove any doctrine. Needless to say, many people think this is true without examining it for themselves.

The Context

Matt 24:36

If we read the complete chapter, we can see that Jesus is explaining the sequence of events that will happen before his coming. This sequence is culminating in Rapture preceded by cosmic signs which are a landmark event for our EARTH.  Following the vivid description, Jesus is telling about the efficacy of his words and confirms that his words will stand even when Heaven and Earth will pass away. That particular day when the Heaven and Earth Pass away is towards the end of the DAY OF THE LORD and that Day is not known by anyone apart from the Father.

However, for argument sake let us assume that he is speaking about his second coming itself. Even so, given the context especially after the words in vs 29-30. he is saying that he cannot say the Day or the Hour when that event will happen. It’s basically a question of the Day or the Hour. It by no means says that he will come before these events he prophecised in  Matt 24:4-31 happening. By interpreting it in the pre-trib imminent way, they are portraying a mentally deranged Jesus whose prophecies will not be fulfilled. And if Jesus’s prophecies do not fulfil, he is a false prophet. Do you think your Messiah is a False Prophet? This is because the word IMMINENT can overrule all of Christ’s Prophecies regarding end times he just spoke from Matt 24:4-31.

Rev 12:22

This is a relative statement and does not mean it will be imminent, As we see this is a statement put after long prophecies regarding end times. Therefore, it is logical that the coming of the Lord will happen as soon as all relevant prophecies are fulfilled. It does not mean the coming is imminent.

Luke 12:40

This verse has to be taken in the context where Jesus is saying us to be always watchful and not to let our guards down. This is very close to 1 Thess 5:1-5 where the ones that are not watching will be caught in a trap. However, the people of Light will not be caught in the trap as they are aware of every event and can trace back for all the signs prophecied in the scriptures. Paul clearly tells that we will know the SEASON (1 Thess 5:1). The only thing we do not know is The Day or The Hour It does not speak about imminence.

Do you now understand the spirit that is working behind the proponents of the Doctrine of Imminence? They are from that of the ANTI-CHRIST who wants to oppose Christ and portray the Light of the World in a Bad Light. These people would rather be happy with Failed Prophecy. They pull out an assumption from thin air saying that the Apostles and early Church fathers expected and imminent coming after the ascension of Jesus. As mentioned, this is THEIR ASSUMPTION and has no scriptural base.

Some Prophecies by Jesus & Apostles that opposes the Doctrine of Imminence

Apart from the prophecies in the Mount of Olives, there are many others which need to be fulfilled before the coming of Christ. Therefore, it is just day-dreaming to say that the early Christians expected an Imminent return of the Lord. Now let us check some of those prophecies which will run contrary to the imminent coming doctrine.

1. Jesus will not come until Peter would have died when he was Old.

18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdest thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. 19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.

John 21:18-19

The Apostles expected Peter to die of Old Age and hence Jesus would not return till Peter’s death. Did they expect an imminent coming?

2. The Holy Spirit would come to be the comforter of the Church.

16 And I will pray for the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; John 14:16

To have expected Jesus to come before the coming of the Holy Spirit was to expect Jesus to be a False Prophet too? Did they expect an imminent coming?

3. The Gospel Needs to be Preached throughout the ends of Earth

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost has come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8

The Apostles had a divine duty to be fulfilled as per Jesus commandment. If they had expected an imminent coming, they would have been like many of today’s Pentecostals. Did they expect an imminent coming?

4. The adding of Gentiles to the Church of God

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:16

The Gospel was first preached to the Jews and then to the Gentiles. This is a task given to the Church to add Gentiles so that both Jews and Gentiles are part of the same body of Christ(Romans 11,Eph 2:14-16). Did they expect an imminent coming?

5. Jesus prophesied Persecution for his followers

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: Matt 23:34.

Did the Apostles expect the imminent coming to avoid persecution as is with the Sleeping churches in the 21st century?

6. Prophecy regarding Paul’s Ministry

15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: Acts 9:15

Do you think Paul expected to be raptured without the above prophecy on him being fulfilled?

7. Paul’s Ministry to the Corinthians and Macedonians

Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace: 10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city. 11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them. Acts 18:9-11

10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them. Acts 16:10

Was it possible for Paul to expect an imminent return with the Lord giving such a responsibility?

8. Prophecy Regarding the Bruising of the Head of the Serpent.

20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. Rom 16:20 .

If the Church is already raptured, how could we possibly bruise the head of the Serpent as the Body of Christ? Click here to read an article which explains what is meant by the above verse.

Did the Romans expect an imminent return of Christ?

9. Paul had to reach Jerusalem to be persecuted.

22 And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem, not knowing the things that shall befall me there: 23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me. Acts 20:22-23

Was it possible for Paul to have expected an imminent return of Christ after this prophecy?

10. Paul expected himself to be Martyred and Not Raptured

Paul had clear information about his Martyrdom when he wrote the epistle to the Philippians in A.D 61. However, his Martyrdom happened in A. D 67. Do you think he had been expecting an imminent coming till from A.D 61 till A.D 67? He had mentioned the same in Ephesus and also to Timothy.

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11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Phil 3:11

For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 2 Tim 4:6

25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Acts 20:25

38 Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more. And they accompanied him unto the ship. Acts 20:38

11. Paul Expected Wolves to Lead Many Astray

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. Acts 20:29-31

Was Paul Expecting an imminent Return instead of Wolves ruling the People?

12. Paul Prophecied about end times and also TPM Like Ministries.

Read 1 Tim 4, 2 Tim 3  and understand if Paul thought an imminent return was possible.

Conclusion

The above-listed pieces of evidence are enough proof to show that early Christians would not have even considered the prospect of an imminent return. They were more concerned about living a Godly life and preaching the good news of his kingdom. Unfortunately, we see that wolves have entered into the Church and have started turning away many disciples after them(Acts 20:29-31). For sure we are much closer to the coming of the Lord than it was before. We also are live witness to one of the signs of the end times as mentioned by Paul in 1 Tim 4:3. Let us keep watching and be waiting for his coming. We have many more prophecies regarding the second coming of the Lord. These will be discussed in later articles.

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5 Comments on “Rapture Series – Pre-Trib vs Post Trib – 6”

  1. This last EPISODE on the Rapture Series has been successfully concluded by highlighting yet another false notion tittled as “IMMINENCE Teaching.”.
    All the 12 points with the respective sub-tittles were dealt well in detail .
    I read with particular interest what PAUL is exhorting to TIMOTHY . I noted down the salient points listed down the specific verses that PAUL wrote to TIMOTHY.
    To my surprise those very verses clearly point out how the CHURCH has to undergo the tribulation before the LORD’s coming.These verses nailed down the PRE-TRIB as a false concept. (In addition to these verse this site has already pointed out ACTS 14:22 also supports the POST-TRIB concept in the earlier EPISODES)
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    1 TIM 4
    10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
    11 These things command and teach.
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    2 TIM 3
    11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
    12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
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    Over all , these RAPTURE SERIES which was dealt in a well documented manner looked as a strong meat to many that they are unable to understand well. There is no confusion at all if we closely follow these series one by one.
    All the ministers of this CULT are now in total embarrassment because of the reason that this site has undertaken the very important topic — PRE-TRIB ,
    I feel this CULT is now undergoing in a typical CATCH 22 concept that they are now unable to come out of their own medicine used .They can neither swallow it nor do they omit it. That was the kind of CATCH 22 situation.
    A very less inter active sessions were witnessed here because of poor understanding of the Scriptures.Under such a scenario, the site has conducted this debate with a true spirit of love towards the brethren . I profusely thank ADMN brother’s best efforts to keep the sermon on the PRE-TRIB —a very powerful AUDIO presentation from the speaker from the The Underground Christian Network under the EPISODE —RAPTURE SERIES- 5
    May I request those who are interested to please listen again to this audio clipping for a very detailed understanding on PRE-TRIB that found to be totally
    a myth.The speaker gives a very detailed analysis with a scriptural base.I really relished this audio. If any PDF copy is made available for this audio sermon, we can make all out efforts to translate it into few important Indian languages so that
    the staunch TPMites could be benefited and may come to understand well . For example I wist to volunteer to translate it into TELUGU, similarly some one could undertake for Hindi, Malayalam,Tamil etc etc.By offering this kind of ministry ,I hope we could do some justice in alleviating the false notions that engulfed the Christian community.
    Ultimately we need to dispel those many misconceptions that these CULTS have been indulging in all these years.

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  2. I am sorry , I beg to differ.
    Having read the rapture series, I am still not convinced about the timing of the rapture. There are so many teachings about the rapture.

    Pre trib,
    Middle trib,
    Post trib

    Some say no rapture at all. We shall be caught up with him, like we are in Christ, seated with him etc.

    Why would those of us who are redeemed and made a new creation in Christ, and who are positionally , and are made perfect in Christ, would go through the tribulation. What for? I am prepared to die as a martyr for Christ, but not as a tribulation martyr. I am looking for the blessed hope!

    Where can I find, Don Spires enlightened message? Please let me know. One of his last messages. Thanks.

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    1. @Sam Alangaramony
      Should you not get scriptures which support your viewpoint?
      Let us have at least ONE scripture which says the Church will be raptured before the Tribulation.

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    2. Dear Sam Alangaramony,
      Nice to get a comment from you after quite long.
      Can you please quote some scriptures for your point.

      Why do you want to harp that we are made perfect in Christ Jesus when suffering is part of that perfection. What made you think we need not Suffer? This is a typical western Christian mentality. Christ was made perfect through sufferings and so should we also be treading that path.

      10 For it became him, for who are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Heb 2:10

      If we suffer, we shall also reign with him;….. 1 Tim 2:12

      THERE IS NO REIGNING WITHOUT SUFFERING.


      As far as Pastor Don’s message is concerned you may go to https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2019/06/03/truth-realization-from-tpm-sr-pastor/

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