One important benefit of attending TPM service is that you get to know the things that are hidden even from the scriptures. The reason being the proximity of TPM saints to God. It would be foolishness for us to assume that God does not let the people in Zion not know his original plans. One of the latest plans that were received by Alwyn(already in Zion seated next to God) and beamed straight to Teju is what we would like to explain in this article. Enjoy reading God’s Original Plan according to TPM.
Unfortunately, we at fromtpm.com are unable to reconcile these so-called divine plans, based on the scriptures we have. So let us get to listen one of those “Zionist ” doctrines. THE DOCTRINE OF CELIBACY.
Table of Contents
The “Food for thought” technique
Our Zion-puffed friend knows it very well that he is speaking heresy and is insulting God along with the hearers. Therefore, he is pushing his heretical ideas as “Food for thought“. I guess he is saying so because he suspects that if somebody objects to his doctrine, he has an exit route(Plan B).
Did you hear this? The questions that come to my mind are as follows. I wish somebody from TPM/NTC/CPM or one of the heads of the dragon answer me.
- Where do you get in the scripture that God had a Primary will of God and Man could disturb his plan so that he has to take the Plan B? Teju thinks that just as he has a Plan B named “Food for thought”, God is limited like him, to invent a secondary plan. He serves a weak god. May we remind him to read the Book of Jonah and meditate on Psalm 33:11 But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations. How insulting it is to God that he could not bring his plans to fruition and had to devise a different alternative?
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You mentioned that Man sinned and went out of the Plan of God and hence God had to do a replanning to cover up for Man’s Sin. How come you are a preacher in TPM and do not yet know of the Lamb that was Slain from the Foundation of the World (i.e, before the creation of man and his sinning)? And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8. Could it be because of the substandard calling of John the apostle(as per TPM) who was not a celibate and therefore God could not reveal him those mysteries revealed to TPM’s Whited sepulchers?
Adam begets Alwyn
Surprised at the heading? That is what Teju thinks should have happened had Adam not sinned! His logic is, that Adam before fall was in the original will of God. And “you and me” – the New Testament people were also planned in God’s mind before the foundation of the world. But the people of Old Testament like Abraham, Moses, David, Daniel, Job, Enoch, Elijah, all the saints mentioned in Old Testament, who come in between Adam and us, were never in plan of God! Therefore, had Adam not sinned, we should have been born thousands of years before. Because Adam sinned, God had to delay our births by 4000 years. Listen to super duper revelation of the blue-eyed boy of TPM.
Teju’s words in this audio clip are, All of Old Testaments law and everything is part of God’s secondary will. God had an initial plan, but to bring the initial plan, God had to wait for 4000 years. ……. There is no verse in the bible that says that Old Testament saints like David and Abraham, were the plan of God’s initial plan. There is verse in the bible to prove you and me were in the original plan of God…We are chosen in him before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4). Actually “you and me” are supposed to be born many thousand years ago. But because of sin God had to push our births 4000 years. Otherwise, we would have been born before if Adam had not sinned.
This implies entire mankind mentioned in Old Testament, from Cain onwards, were plan B of God, which was an afterthought, which was doped (injected) in between, Adam and celibate ministers of TPM (initial plan). Had Adam had not transgressed, God would have created “TPM church’s 144000” out of Adam and Eve. Had that been case, the genealogy of Luke and Matthew would appear something like. The book of generations of TPM – Adam begat Alwyn and Alwyn begat A. C. Thomas and AC Thomas begat M. T. Thomas, and Teju and so on…
Poor Jeremiah might be wondering from where did he get prophecies of him being in the plan of God before he was born?
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Jer 1:5
Even though Cyrus may not believe in prophecies regarding him(Isaiah 45:1) because he was a Zoroastrian, David may have to work out his understanding with this plan B from TPM’s Zion.
You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed. Psalm 139:16
Moreover, should we assume that Jesus should have been the Son of Teju instead of being called the Son of David?
Oops, I am getting more confused. If God had to extend his original plan by 4000 extra years, how come Paul says that Jesus came in the Fullness of Time. Did even the fullness of time undergo a change in its Project Schedule?
4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, Gal 4:4
But then the question arises, how can unmarried people give birth to children? Teju has an answer for that also
Teju’s Revelation about Celibate Procreation
If you are wondering how would Adam give birth to New Testament Celibate ministers, then Teju has a new technique from his master, whom he does not name. Adam was created in the image and likeness of God but without creative power. God wanted Adam and Eve to grow up to a specific degree, until a time arrives when Adam could command Eve, saying “Let there be Cain and Abel” and Eve would conceive and beget Cain and Abel, without physical intercourse, – i.e. by creative power like unto God. Listen to Teju himself below.
So finally God is in a confusion and is CHALLENGED by Adam’s sin, according to Teju. What Teju is saying is that He knows the Original will of God and Jesus and God were IDIOTS when he proposes his theory.
View these scriptures and tell me what do you think.
24 For this reason, a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. Gen 2:24
and said, ‘For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? Matt 19:5
Note the wording “Become ONE FLESH” which is unambiguous about the sexual union. And hey, if that was not in the original plan of God, why do you need mutually complementing sexual organs for Man and Woman? I guess according to Teju, God would have had issues even with his Original Plan. Or were those organs fitted into the male and female as an additional creation of Plan B after sin? I am eager to hear what the 144000 has to say about it. And if you extend the argument a little bit more, the entire scriptures should be altered along with a complete rejection of the book “Song of Solomon”.
Teju’s Final Advise: Let married people live like brothers and sisters
Teju claims marriage is defilement while the Bible clearly says “Marriage is HONOURABLE and bed UNDEFILED (Heb 13:4) He says Married people are those who surrender to the lust of the flesh. However, according to him, the group of 144000 people does not surrender to the lust of the flesh. They are not defiled by women. Therefore taking lessons from a chaste group of TPM workers, all believers who marry are in the secondary plan of God. They must come to the original plan of God. Husband and wives should live as brothers and sisters.
Teju’s words in this clipping, But now, if everybody GETS MARRIED, everybody is in the secondary will of God. So God has to choose a group who can even sacrifice that relationship and live up to the standard of his original will. A group of people who will not surrender to the lusts of the flesh! That is why in Revelation chapter 14, you read a group of people, who not defiled by women, they are 144000 in number standing on mount Zion in eternity.
So according to him, TPM believers are in the secondary plan and they must come to the original plan of God. He thinks Holiness is “NOT HAVING SEX”. Listen to him.
Even if you get married, to become the bride of Christ, finally you should come to that state of holiness, where husband and wife should come to state without lust and living like brother and sister.
Exegetical Fallacies
Fallacy 1
Teju uses Galatians 3:19 to prove Old Testament and everything mentioned in it was added because of the sin of Adam. If you carefully note, Teju is twisting scriptures. Apostle Paul writes “law was added because of transgression (Galatians 3:19)”. Every Bible reader knows that Paul’s intention in writing Galatians 3:19, was to prove that salvation is not by laws of Moses. He is NOT writing “Old Testament saints were not in the plan of God.” There is a difference in saying “law as added” and “people of the Old Testament were added.”.
In the same epistle, the apostle says that Jesus was also born under the law.
But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, Gal 4:4
Therefore as per Teju, Jesus was also not according to the original plan of God.
Fallacy 2
Teju claims that today’s form or method of childbirth (by establishing a physical relationship between man and woman is because of the curse of God). He uses Genesis 3:16 to establish his claim. In Genesis 3:16, God says “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe.…” God is not saying the male and female union is cursed. He actually blessed it saying, man shall cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh (Genesis 2:24, Matt 19:4-6). But blind Teju reads otherwise because he already has an agenda. Want to know his agenda? Listen to this.
Fallacy 3
Malachi 2:15 reads “And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed Teju adds a word “godly manner” to imply that Godly seed can be born in a godly manner(not having sex is Godly as per him). By the godly manner, he doesn’t mean staying within legal bounds of marriage, but by the godly manner, he means by non-physical relationship. So by adding the word – “godly manner” to Malachi 2:15, Teju deduces that present method of childbirth, by physical union of man and woman, is not godly but cursed.
Conclusion
Does God change his plans depending on the unpredictable will of man?
Read the following scriptures. They need no interpretation.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Psa 33:11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
Isa 46:9-10 …for I am God, ….there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done…
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Isa 44:7 Who is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and set it before me since I appointed an ancient people. Let them declare what is to come, and what will happen.
- According to the above scriptures, declaring the end from the beginning is a unique attribute of God alone. If Teju thinks God’s plan A that mankind must not marry failed because of the transgression of Adam, then he is making God like other pagan gods, who are unsure of what is going to take place in future. God never had any such plan for mankind.
- If you believe scriptures which says, Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world (I Peter 1:20), then God foreknew of fall of man. If God had foreknowledge of fall of man, and the lamb was planned before falling of man, even before the foundation of the world was laid, then the claim of Teju, that OT saints were added because of the transgression of man does not hold valid. YOU CANNOT SURPRISE GOD.
If Teju is right, that God’s original plan is that man and woman should live as brothers and sisters, and that mankind should not marry, and not have a physical relationship, then the apostle Paul is wrong who says forbidding to marry is the doctrine of devils (I Timothy 4:3). Then devils are actually bringing man to the original plan of God, by teaching to remain aloof from marriage!
Choose for yourself. TPM or Jesus. You cannot sail on both boats.
Dear Teju,
Tpm is devils plan brought into existence in 1923. Lamb slain before the foundation of the world is original and unshakable plan of God. This plan is found in every page of scriptures; both in Old Testament and also in New Testament; unlike tpm celibacy found only in pages of tpm. God’s plan for you is to take an exit from tpm and preach pure unadulterated simple Gospel of Jesus. I hope you realize that God doesn’t need middlemen like you, who privily bring damnable heresies. Please get well soon.
A good analysis of the message.
Celibacy cannot be a doctrine as it contradicts the word of God, so anyone preaching so is wrong.
Even the Catholic church does not preach it as a doctrine, but rather as a discipline enforced on their clergy.
If a man/woman can remain truly celibate in mind and body, then good for him/her. The apostle does say that if a man cannot keep his mind clear of lust, then it is better for him to be married.
By the argument made about celibacy and the concept of Zion, TPM’s founder and many other pastors during his time and after him would be ineligible for a place in Zion.
However, I believe that there is a place in the large sense, for celibate servants of God who choose to give up that aspect of life in order to serve God. It’s very difficult, especially in this day and age, but not impossible.
As Christ himself says in Matthew 19:12, “For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.”
I’m not here to correct brother Teju, but rather to submit that based on my limited knowledge and understanding I disagree with him.
But, just like God gave man free will, brother Teju and his colleagues have the right to believe and practise this discipline of celibacy.
Similarly, every person has the free will to listen and accept what he/she wants to as discerned by him/her.
To suggest that a man and woman living in a Biblically accepted and approved relationship is wrong, IS wrong.
I always urge people to read the word of God, in context and understand it rather than blindly believing everything that is said at the pulpit.
Regarding the will of God, in brother Teju’s defense, he does quite clearly state that “there is no Bible verse about this” and used the phrases “quite possible” and “could have been” to say that God had a plan for man which was deviated by man’s fall.
He seems to be theorizing rather than saying that all of that is explicitly so.
One thing to bear in mind is that all the verses you quote were written well after the fall of man, so we cannot presume to know what God would have done or how he would have achieved his “primary will” or plan for man to be with him in “paradise”.
It’s all very debatable and quite an interesting topic.
Like brother Teju himself says, it is all “food for thought”.
This Teju & team still believes that ‘being defiled with women’ written in Revelation 14 : 5 is about physical women and physical sexual relationship ? Feel sorry for his followers and fans..
The main and only two passages which TPM quotes to proclaim celibate ministry is Luke 14 : 26-33 and Revelation 14 : 1-5 . A plain , slow , careful reading of these two passages with out TPM lens in eyes clearly make one understand these two passages does not speak of celibacy and TPM kind of ministry.. I dont know why these people are still proclaiming/following this heresy.
In TPM i feel most of the people (90%) are having ” willing ignorance ‘–which means i don’t know .. but i don’t want to know either”. Even if someone tries to explain / discuss to any believer or follower of TPM about these wrong teachings.. they just turn away saying i don’t want to hear .. or i am not interested..
“Wilful ignorance” of a certain kind.
The world is full of such people who are satisfied with blindly following, having no thirst for knowledge and understanding.
If you think about it, they are “afraid” of what the truth might reveal – that they may have been wrong.
//”Husband and wives should live as brothers and sisters.”// This is another heresy from devil which most of the TPM ministers advice.
I personally know a senior pastor preached this in TPM saying after 1 or 2 kids born , husband and wifes should not have sexual relationship at all and should live like brother and sister. He did twist 1 Corinthians 9:5 to make his teaching firm saying apostle peter (Cephas ) considered his wife as sister after he followed Jesus .
I think with this teaching they aim at the “superspiritual” sisters who after which will not allow husbands even to come near them and finally the family breaks down..
That is ridiculous.
Yeah they hate Gen 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
For most celibates (of all religions), physical union of husband and wife is some kind of taboo. I am amazed why they find it difficult to digest that God is creator of this emotion in man. Why can’t they comprehend the idea that it Holy Spirit himself who has inspired writers of Holy Scriptures to write about sexual love within legal boundaries in holy writings. For example read proverbs 5:19 or Song of Solomon. Bible writers are not even an inch ashamed of expressing romance of married couple in holy writings.
I hate TPM meetings because of this kind of un biblical teachings. Even though they say these words are just for assumption or thought, their clear motivation is to propagate their celibacy doctrines. To prove TPM doctrines it seems they can go to any extent. Was this preached in worker’s meeting?
This is from a youth meeting where Teju was enticing the young folks to join the cult clergy.
What stuck me was between 1:30 – 45 where he cleverly twists stating that Man did not have power to create and hence have to reach the level of spiritual perfection wherein he would be endowed with the power to create by his word. This is in direct conflict with below,
Gen 5: 28 where God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth….
Isa 46:9-10 …for I am God, ….there is none like me
Isa 44:7 Who is like me? Let him proclaim it.
Well Teju in his foolishness is assuming and suggesting all that one could take that spot by perfecting himself in holiness and start creating as God did…What a blasphemy…
We dont need a army of Bajrang Dal or Hindu Vimukti Manch radicals…..to destroy the Gospel but one such counterfeit to cause maximum damage…
The TPM mask of covert recruitment unveiled once again…..Thank you Admin.
Now it makes sense to me. The reason why there are abortions within the faith home sisters could be the brothers saying a word and baby conceiving within. They are so humble that they do not want to make use of the creative power they received because they are the Originals. Makes perfect sense now.
OMG! See the extent of deceptive teachings. What should I say about this Teju, the deceived boy. He is trying to prove himself so spiritually enlightened man to find out God’s “Primary Plan & Secondary Plan”. His messages are the clear evidence that these whited sepulchres can topsy-turvy everything to prove themselves right. They can by their teachings try even to prove God himself. No doubt, spiritually blind folk of TPM would have highly exalted this Teju saying, “This is the voice of a God and not of a man.” But, I personally feel that, this Teju is totally controlled by the devil. He could be the second Alwyn in TPM.
Even a TPM Sunday school student knows that God is all knowing – omniscient. This heretic is saying that God reacts to situations is blasphemy. This idiot if he was living in the Old Testament period, he would have been stoned to death.
I think he should shove his food for thought down his celibate mouth and shut up.
One thing is for sure in 5-10 years time this liar will be one of the chief shepherds of TPM. I don’t know what his brother must me thinking. I feel sorry for educated folks like our friend Vikram who continue to live under this TPM banner knowing very well how blasphemous their teachings are.
His god must be learning on the go and he needs Teju’s propping to stand up. Primary will, secondary will, plan B, heaven knows what else this guy is going to come up with next.
I just heard the first audio clip and am already feeling nauseous.
After listening to the second clip, all I can conclude is that this guy is either a lunatic or is under the influence of some substance or even worse must be overflowing with the TPM spirit.
Empty Thomas surely has competition for teaching heresies.
Keep it up Teju, please publish this in the Voice of Pentecost so that folks here in the west especially your brother are not deprived of these glorious revelations.
Great job! Admin for exposing the latest lies of this false religion. I thought TPM would be a lot circumspect in their teachings knowing that fromtpm.com is watching them but this shows that TPM is completely deluded.
He and his Brother in UK both are masters at deceiving.
I really admire how they stand up with confidence and cooly blurt out blasphemy under after blasphemy without battling an eye lid.
He must be thankful to his parents for not STICKING TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF his so called god.
I could not tolerate beyond the second clip……Lord help the poor souls to stand up and come out of this pit of deception.
So according to Teju are we all supposed to just pollinate?
That is a nice word. They want us, secondary plan people, to give money and feed the Original plan people. That is why they always say we are substandard, in all their doctrines. If you have any brain cells left, you should stop giving them any money. This is akin to caste systems where sudras are working to keep up the brahmins of the evil system.
Hello TPM’ites, call your church “SIBLING church,” not BRIDAL church since you do not seem to understand the meaning of BRIDE.
Genesis 1:28 – God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.”
Ecclesiastes 9:9 – Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun–all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.
1 Timothy 4:2,3: – They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
This TEACHING OF DEMON/FROM DEEP PIT is one of the reasons TPM church is fruitless, filled with whitewashed sepulchers.
TPM’ites do not want to believe TRUTH, hence
2 Thessalonians 2:11 – For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Oops…. Pr Paul the founder of TPM was not in the primary plan of God.
Once again a splendid job by the admin !!!
These articles gives me more ammo to take on TPM fanatics including my family members.
“Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;”
The “transgressions’ in this context is the golden calf breach and the SEED is Jesus Christ. But look at the subtility of Teju…he relates the “transgressions” in this verse to the disobedience in the garden and claims that the “Seed” is “he and his audience” and without any remorse trashes the old testament saints.
The bottomline that TPM follows is “USURP THE PLACE OF JESUS”.
Teju’s “Food for thought” reminds me of the serpent in the garden of Eden.
Teju’s shrewed method of pushing TPM doctrine is fulfilment of 1 Timothy :4 : 1-3
” 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.”
BEWARE TPM FANATICS AND BLIND SHEEP
Col: 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through PHILOSOPHY and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
I have my personal experience where a training sister (Sister Samdurakani – Ponmar Fake home, Chennai) used this verse in 1 Corinthians 7:29 “What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; ” 1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer . She told me and to another sister of my age group. She told us when we were alone and we were about to start prayer. I did not read the entire chapter and I accepted whatever she said. It was only after I left TPM I understood the meaning of those verses. Teju’s message spreads like cancer among the workers and everybody spreads this celibacy doctrine. Such kind of unbiblical message has two impacts :
1.) It spoils the mind of youth and they get deceived and join this cult
2.) When couples are married it leads to a state they disapprove their marriage lives . They will be pushed to a state instead of marrying we might have moved to ministry . I had this thought when I believed what that sister told was true.
The ultimate aim of this cult is to create robots by removing the love for relationships and family. Teju is a cunning wolf to satisfy this goal. I forwarded a part of this article to a youth (who is currently in search of bride) from the fake home I left. I also sent him the mp3 in section “Teju’s Final Advise: Let married people live like brothers and sisters” . His reply was “It is wrong according to you only” . Even after a superb explanation biblically many blind belivers are unable to see. The basic love which is available even among the unbelivers is also taken by this cult. I felt that only when Jesus opens the eyes of a person he can see, no matter how many biblical evidence we give !
Before the original sin, God told
Genesis 2:24 – That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become ONE FLESH.
Then, Jesus replying to Pharisees told
Matthew 19: 4, 5 &6 : “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh, So they are no longer two, but ONE FLESH. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
What would BEING ONE FLESH imply, if not for sexual relationship?…
If there is a different take/view point/exposition, someone please shed light on this…
TPM சொம்பு தூக்கிகள் இப்போது எங்கே?
Where are now those TPM followers?
Addition to my earlier post:
I am mean not only sexual relations there but living in ONE ACCORD in all aspects of life with sex also part of it
Opps… this vicar of IBR (Teju) is trying all his best to master mind the poor and innocent youth of the world into his clutch! Would God allow? Absolutely not.
By hoodwinking the youth ,Teju wants to reiterate that if the youth choose the family way of life, it goes to the secondary will of God.Poor youth, look at the way how they were duped!
They are made confused.They do not know whether written anywhere in the Bible that a primary will –and a secondary will of God. Totally falsehood.
We as parents should not allow our children to fall prey into these subtle ways of demon. It is as if the serpent asking Eve –Is it true? Does God say so?
Look at the serpent how it is hoodwinking Eve in Genesis 3:1 ” Yea, hath God said ye shall not eat every tree of the garden?
We should ponder and pray over this and come to a right conclusion by not sending our children to the IBR annual Youth CAMP at the very first instance.The demon is so clever to print the CONVETIONS/MEETINGS schedule well before 12 months so that the youth from foreign countries could be enticed in addition to the youth from India.
What was the original way of life of 12 disciples?( our youth should be told clearly of this truth)
After Peter was chosen as an Apostle, he lived in the house that belonged to him and Andrew his brother. “They entered into the house of Simon and Andrew.” In that house was the mother-in-law of Peter who was sick ,also stayed in that house. This only shows how much Peter loved his wife. He loved his wife so much that he let his mother-in-law stayed in his house (Lk 4:38).
Not only that, even after Peter and other Apostles received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, they went about travelling with their respective wives to minister (1.Corin. 9:5). “Don’t we have the right to take a BELIEVING WIFE along with us as do the other Apostle” (NIV). This verse tells us that not only other Apostles were married and travelling with their wives but also Apostle Paul had the same right to get married and continue his apostolic ministry. Teju is usurping here even the original 12 disciples of Jesus. (Of course he already usurped Jesus in his various other clippings we heard from this site.)
This verse 1 COR 9:5 clearly indicates the following three irrefutable facts:
1. Cephas (apostle Peter) was a married man.
2. Not only was apostle was a married man, the other apostles were also married. Please note the words,” Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us as do other apostles do?
3. Apostle Paul claims here that he too had the right to get married and travel with his wife and still continue to be an apostle, as other apostle of the early church did. “Don’t we have the right (meaning apostles Paul and Barnabas) to take a believing wife?”
Thus, there is absolutely no evidence at-all in the Bible that an Apostle has to remain unmarried (certainly NOT that those who drive the car for the Apostles and those who wash Apostles cloth need to remain unmarried).
This TPM CULT does not believe that sisters can be Apostles. Then, why on earth do they ask their sisters to remain unmarried?
KJV translation says, “Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife?” We need to understand here that Peter’s wife who traveled with him was a ( spiritual) sister to Apostle Paul.
KUDOS to ADMN brother for fully exposing the real visage of the false vicar of Christ
During my days in TPM, I remember, whenever there was a youth meeting or youth convention only unmarried youths in the age group of 12/14 to 30 years were asked to participate and it was a strict NO NO for married folks who were less than 30 yrs in age unlike in other churches where age is the criteria and not marital status.
Now I can clearly see their ploy…target the unmarried youths, control them emotionally, make them feel that marrying is wrong and worldly, make them to jump in Saturday night tarrying meeting and subtly using the name of Jesus corner the simple ones to commit their lives to this cult of wolves in sheep’s clothes.
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. Matt 23:15
Yes Sir, absolutely true. They will surely be in Hell and they will even try to outwit their father, Satan there with their deeper truths and their tongues and their celibacy and their consecration.
They have so much blood on their hands, so many lives already taken and so many waiting for the slaughter. 100 years of lying and they continue to do so blatantly. Oh God, have mercy on my family and friends who continue to believe in this lie.
The sad thing is that there are many educated workers who quote Jonathan Edwards but continue to languish in this cult. The delusion is so deep that they cannot see.
Jonathan Edwards quoted by tpm workers??
I can’t believe …
Probably they might have read his quotes from internet and pasted in into air, instead of reading his books. Or may be one or two sermons from his works. If any of them is reading this, I advice him/her to go through Jonathan Edwards “religious affection” or “freedom of will” or “sinners in the hand of angry God “
@Nath,
Yes, Brother, there are a few who are well educated and know their Theology well but continue to propagate these lies for fear of their future. I personally know a few workers who have and read stacks of theology books but unfortunately they are not able to truly do what they have been commanded by our Lord in Luke 14: 26:
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”
They don’t understand the true meaning behind this statement. Due to fear of losing their current status, and putting their career in jeopardy, and their inability to forsake their adopted TPM brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers and in some cases their illegitimate partners, they deceive themselves by misinterpreting this verse for their self righteous consecration and celibacy.
Only God can have mercy on them and save them from this madness.
These wrong doctrines appear benign to the unsuspecting, but they become malignant to the vulnerable.
I have heard some ‘believers’ proudly testify that they have abstained from medicine and physical relationship in marriage union. Only God can help these people.
Every religion defends there routine like teju here,he would have to turn himself to actual truth rather than justifying there system .. It won’t be too late before many will realize the truth unless they were already wired to this world’s system.
I have been successful in few attempts to penetrate a group of TPM ites with this blog and they seem to get the point.
But boy it is a tough job trying to get them to buy in the Gospel.
The Only way to penetrate this group is to be in their group and seize every opportunity we get.
Good on you for trying to get your message across.
However, the delivery of the message is just as important as the message itself.
Given that you are “fighting” decades of “indoctrination”, you are more likely to get reception if you can do it with a positive and humble approach.
As an independent observer, if you use the general tone of this site and its authors, you are going to get a defensive and sometimes a combative response.
I have no problem calling a spade a spade and agreeing where I agree while disagreeing where I do and at the same time admitting my lack of knowledge where that is the case.
Good luck!
Dearest brother vik,
Greetings to you in name of Christ,
I hope my comment finds you in good health and blessings of almighty,
(I hope my tone is humble and positive )
Since everyone in this site is aware that you call spade a spade and agree where you agree and disagree where you disagree, it is my humblest request in positive and humble tone to let us know which articles in this site are you in agreement with. There are more than 250 plus articles I suppose. Are there even 25 with which you agree?
I hope I’ll get reception.
Thank you in advance..
Dominic
Good to hear from you.
With all the humility at my disposal, I do not have to submit to anyone what I agree or disagree with.
That is for me to decide for myself.
Your tone in that message is perfectly fine with me.
Yes, Dominic, some of us submit only to the consecrated Celibate new age apostles of UPC in Brixton or Ilford and also to the chief shepherds of TPM who humbly share their meal with us when they come visiting, adorned in their fine suits…not to forget they also give us chairs to sit and separate quarters to rest during the annual haj in Irumbiliyur.
We don’t care about the poor ignorant simple souls who have been fleeced by these sons of Satan for the last 100 years. That is not our problem, we are of the privileged class, heading straight to New Jerusalem to join these murderers who have already reserved their seats in Zion.
We visit this site as independent observers to monitor the arrogance and redemption level of the fallen ones. We are too humble to bow to any ordinary people.
@redeemed
Keep chipping away, my friend. what is impossible with man is possible with our Almighty God.
If He could in His mercy save us from this cult, He will definitely save the rest who belong to Him.
Unfortunately we don’t know who are His called ones, it is His sovereign prerogative. Our duty is to shout till our last dying breath that TPM is a false religion.
Praise God for fromtpm.com for providing us a platform where we can shout without fear 24/7 365 days .
The tone of fromtpm.com might appear harsh to the unregenerate but to the redeemed, it is a refreshing well of simple facts which reaffirms that we are standing on solid ground and encourages the fence sitters to search the scriptures and verify their position.
God bless you Admin. I wish and pray that more hidden deeper true lies of this satanic cult is revealed to you which can then be used to enlighten the true seekers.
As for independent referees, they can keep visiting and hopefully one day they will also realise that what a waste their life has been supporting this evil entity with their money, their celibacy and their precious time.
Your arrogance is on fine display – quite ironically you call yourself “redeemed”.
“Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.”
If my comments touched a raw nerve, please accept my apologies.
Please bear in mind that in eternity there is no place for “Observers”. If my arrogance can turn you to The Truth, I don’t mind that at all because your soul is more precious than your opinion about me.
There is a lot of insight to be gained from the articles on this site.
The authors have done much research and soul searching while composing their arguments and the articles here have scholarly merit and worthy of discussion.
Reasoned and civil debate is something that is missing in society, in general, these days.
But one would expect that “Christians” would have the forbearance to listen and respect opposing views.
The debates in the comments section of this are lacking in this civility.
One theme that has been proposed time and again has been the TPM/NTC clergy’s opposition to opposing views or the lack of their tolerance to questions.
To some extent that is true.
In a similar vein, there are a few commentators here who simply will not accept that some people may agree with them partially, others fully and some not at all.
I’ve noticed a trend in the comments that those who, in the initial days, argued (poorly) on the side of the TPM clergy no longer comment here.
It could be their lack of arguments – which is most likely the case.
But, it seems to me that its more likely to be the fact that they have been taunted, insulted and vilified over and over again.
This comment section has turned into an echo chamber of TPM/NTC-bashing.
Every time someone mentions the name of a TPM worker, at least one or two people pop up out of nowhere with some unsubstantiated claims of misdeeds.
That is not to say that TPM workers are all perfect.
On the contrary, there are many bad apples in the large barrel.
The statute of limitations on accusing someone runs out the minute a person decides to keep it secret for any reason.
It’s no point accusing the dead – they cannot answer for their actions.
If there is any truth to it, they will stand before the throne of judgment and have to answer God almighty.
But cowards hide in the shadows and whisper “truths” amongst themselves.
They too will have to stand judgment if their “truths” were anything but that.
Cherry picking parts of a message and twisting them for their own purpose is not a Christian thing to do.
We currently have this dilemma here in the States where a corrupt and evil man sits as the president of the country.
A special counsel produced a 400-plus page report and the vast majority of us have not read it and even our elected officials have not bothered to read it.
Talking heads have just selected portions of it to either brand the man as “innocent” or “guilty”.
Depending on which echo chamber you subscribe to, you’ll get one or the other.
I don’t expect my words to have any impact or effect on the eagle-eyed, “redeemed”, “liberated” and former “slaves to fear”.
If you want to discuss and debate, do it with humility – without resorting to taunts and jibes. you may not convince everybody but at the very least you will have started the ball rolling in terms of getting people to read the word of God, think and reason and not follow blindly everything that is spoken from the pulpit.
If you merely want to drive wedges between people in order to get clicks on your site, then this is fine.
TPM/NTC has done a lot of fine work over the years.
There have been bad actors who misused their positions, but the rank and file of the workers chose to join, work and stay in the ministry.
They are not all blind – but free willed human beings made in the image of God with wisdom and knowledge.
Not everybody may agree with their words, methods and acts.
When a part of a body is sick, you treat it with care and give it the right medical treatment.
Medical treatment may be through oral medicines, topical treatments, intravenous medication or even surgery.
But you don’t kill a person because he has a sickness.
You don’t pour poison into his veins thinking that the poison will just kill off the disease.
You want a change to happen?
Treat the disease from within.
Be part of the solution.
Standing at the bedside of a sick person and berating him for his lifestyle is not what doctors do.
Combative attitudes and saber rattling never get anything done.
I don’t expect anything changes because I wrote this, but then I’m always open to being surprised.
And here we go again on the rabbit trail….we say a lot but mean the same little thing again and again.
I don’t think any site or comments can change TPM or TPM believers but it can show the ones who have fallen from TPM that they are in safe hands. I can personally testify to that.
As for observers, I always wonder why they are wasting everyone’s time here with their intelligence and their tactful use of the English language.
This question about TPM being a false religion is beyond debate. If you cannot accept that, please enlighten the readers so that we can repent and come back to serve the lords of this glorious ministry.
There is no question about the honesty and sincerity of the TPM clergy to its TPM religion but they are all liars when it comes to the Gospel of Christ.
So my dear Sir, can we hear something new.
Dear Vik,
I was reading Deuteronomy chapter 13 this morning and came across the portion which I have pasted below
Deut 13: 1-6- NKJV
If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk[a] after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall [b]put away the evil from your midst.
Having read this, can you please tell me in what category do you place the TPM doctrines which points towards “another Jesus”.. a weak God who quite often changes his mind according to the whims and fancies of the”Saints”.
Kumar
I meant to respond to you, but it fell off my list.
I do not know what doctrine you are referring to.
Doctrines are created by men for men and I do not subscribe to any doctrine.
If someone can point to a specific word of God and tell me how I can be a better Christian and deserving of a place in the kingdom of God, then I am happy to listen.
Everything else is just noise.
What is not in the bible we need not believe. Bible teaches us not to add or remove any part of the word. What a man ( TPM) sows that will he reap. Bible is clear about that. I feel sorry for those who have heard Teju teaching and do nothing about it.
What is not in the bible we need not believe. Bible teaches us not to add or remove any part of the word.
Exactly!
I want to appreciate Admin and team to put in their effort to make aware the believer community within TPM/NTC and outside about their core doctrines .
Doctrine they are based and emphasis/claim which has been revealed to only few:
1. Zion – 144,000 , they claim that it is Virgins (consecration) servants of God on the basis Revelation Chapter 14:1-5
2. Divine healing – Claim is that “It is faith based”. So the people who are taking medicine lack faith, and hence cannot please God.
On point 1, It is very clear now with the latest teaching of Senior Pastor Teju Kurien’s exposition from the word of God and about God’s “primary will” and “secondary will” and God’s overall plan for mankind.
I’m really sorry to understand a theory which they claim to be “glorious”.
How can a definition been given to a family life (married) that God has established by latest revelation which has 100 years (approx) tpm history..
Believer’s, this is high time to understand the basics of Christ’s purpose to redeem this world .
The above theory has been pounded and pounded on believers for all conventions/seminars, tarrying meetings, etc..
Please don’t turn a blind eye to all these. We need to be be accountable to God when we are in his presence..
Too much debate about virginity and related activities.
George – are you married?
The most saddest part of the whole story of my faith life was I did not seek the word of God like the Berians of the Bible sought that was told in ACTS 17:11—-” These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
Now hats off to these Berian community that ACTS 17:11 is talking about. I confess I did never search the Scriptures as they did, never questioned the CULT leaders whether it was right on their part or not.
Otherwise I would not been a slave to these CK Lazaruses. TU S’,empty Thomases, A.Matthews and the likes of Teju Kuriens who bent upon misleading the whole community.Theres’ no use of blaming the above who are determined to achieve their ends/ targets.First of all why did I join them in the beginning itself? I am only to be squarely blamed.But now thanks be to the Lord for I was redeemed from this miry clay through the excellent grace of God, and for this profoundly knowledgeable site led by ADMN and his team and for the reknowned authors of this site I face daily. I praise and thank God for the excellent fellowship that God has given me.
@ Zion of 1, 44,000!
This unscriptural TPM teaching on Zion does not meet any one of the requirements to become a foundational teaching of the Christian church. Beloved ones in the Lord , please ponder over this with prayer. The TPM church says this is their most important teaching and that God has not revealed this deep doctrine to any other Pentecostal church. We are highly thankful to God that no other church in the world has fallen a prey to this absolutely unscriptural teaching. Now please read carefully.
1. Our Lord Jesus Christ, the head of the Christian Church who has taught about all the other fundamental doctrines of the Church , did not mention even one sentence about the CPM/TPM type style Zion with 1,44,000. If the teaching on Zion with 1, 44,000 is so very important as our TPM friends claim, how come we don’t read even one verse about it (TPM Zion) in all the four Gospels?
2. Secondly, if the doctrine on Zion with 1,44,000 is of such importance why is it we don’t read anything at all about it even once in the Acts of the Apostles which contains the history of the early Christian Church.
3. Thirdly, great Apostles like Peter, John and Paul have written beautifully and clearly about all the foundational teachings of the Church in their Epistles but have not mentioned even once about the Zion with 1,44,000.
Then who brought these man-made doctrine into the Christian community?
Did we ever search the Scriptures that the Berians of the Bible did?
Do you think they might have forgotten to write about this deep doctrine which TPM claims reserved for saints like them with deeper consecration.
Did the Apostles in all their Epistles care to write about this Zion with 1, 44,000 even once?
Should we spend all our life time for this erroneous teaching on Zion which the Apostles never bothered to mention even once in all their Epistles?
Should we waste all our life-time for this CPM/TPM teachings on Zion about which we don’t read anything at all in the book of Acts which contains the history of the 1st century church?
Finally, should we spend all our life-time for this teaching of Zion with 1, 44,000 about which our Lord, the head of the Church, did not care to speak even once? Enough is enough. If Teju Kuriens are bent upon unleashing their man-made doctrines, we too will be on our job of JAMES 5:19.20. Let us have a fresh take on this aspect.
@Eagle’s Eye
Very good questions. When I look back at my own deliverance from this satanic cult, all I can do is get on my knees and praise God for saving me.
When I was in TPM, I always used to wonder why we never sang John Newton’s heart wrenching cry “Amazing Grace” but now I know it was because TPM preaches their own gospel.
Now everytime I read an article on fromtpm.com I sing this beautiful hymn with a slight TPM twist.
Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound
That saved a TPM Bakth like me
I once was lost in TPM, but now am found in Christ
T’was blind in TPM but now I see
T’was Grace that taught my heart the Gospel
And Grace, my fears relieved
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I was free from TPM
Through many conventions, lies and tongues
I have already come.
T’was grace that brought me safe thus far
And grace will lead me home,
And grace will lead us home
That’s strange.
I have on many many occasions sung “Amazing Grace” at NTC/TPM services.
@Vik,
My friend, you are indeed a special man, a very blessed humble man of TPM. Unfortunately simple arrogant redeemed folks like me never had that privilege of singing Amazing Grace as we were made busy working out our salvation on board TPM’s zion bound train… oops it was New Jersualem bound as I was not celibate.
This in fact demonstrates the forked tongue of your slave masters. They just cannot be consistent in their lies. These chameleons change their choice of songs and doctrine as quickly as they switch from their white lungis to their raymond suits depending on the colour of the currency.
It makes me wonder what they will be wearing in Eternity? white Lungis or Suits
and what will they be singing – amazing grace or the self glorifying “Saint’s song on Mt. Zion” or “Zion, Sweet Zion”
As for me, a sinner saved by grace, will be dressed in the robe of His Righteousness and singing Amazing Grace with John Newton and the billions of souls who have been saved by our Lord and only Saviour Jesus Christ.
You know you have been taken for a ride, I know it is difficult for you let go, especially with your own family members being part of this insane ministry. I wish you well and pray that God in His mercy will give you the courage to chose wisely.
BTW fromtpm.com is not a church so there is no compulsion for you to join fromtpm.com after you have quit NTC/TPM.
Having said that, once you are liberated, it would be great if you could share your testimony as it will encourage many confused Vikrams like you.
@Vik,
Just to add, most simple TPM believers have to sing “Saint’s song on Mount Zion”… please check this link for a line by line dissection of this heresy.
https://www.stas-afke.com/blog/2018/04/10/heresies-in-tpm-part-8-the-unbelievable-idol-worship/
@ No More a Slave To Fear
You seem very obsessed with specific songs and clothing.
Sing whatever you wish to sing to your heart’s content and wear whatever you wish to wear.
Why does it bother you so much what others do?
I also would not presume to know how righteous you are, but just like I doubt the intelligence of someone who keeps saying “I’m intelligent!”, I wonder how you predict that “will be dressed in the robe of His Righteousness and singing Amazing Grace with John Newton”.
I’ve yet to come across any person who can confidently say definitely that they “will be dressed in the robe of His Righteousness and singing Amazing Grace with John Newton”.
Love the confidence, so God bless you.
Dear admin br.,
I understood the danger of this cult group, and I renounced it and came out now. This website helped me enormously to make that bold step. However, I would like you to post the entire audio message of TPM when you post this type of article. I am not against using audio clips but for the authenticity of the article we should hear the complete message, otherwise we are “cherry picking”….
Thank you and God bless.
Christos se mena.
The reason why we have cut specific portions is to focus on certain things which is cancerous. In case you need to hear the complete sermon , you may do so at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du67dvCvajI
This has many more heretic things inside which is good enough for another article. There is a good chance that this could be removed as it is now a subject which embarrasses TPM.
Teju is emphasising the celibacy but what is his true state. Frauds such like Teju believe in outward consecrations & have nothing inside what really God requires. I suggest that, these whited sepulchres must learn to peep inside their own hearts to find how dirty they are.
I remember that some years ago while I was still a TPM minister, one junior sister at Irumbiliyur head quarters told me about this fox(Teju). She told me that personally she didn’t like him. I asked the reason and she said that he is not what he appears. She said that youth girls went and said about his phone conversation with them. According to her the youth girls have told that this Teju had vulgar talks with them. Now we can understand that what kind of celibacy he is talking about.
@Anthony
I am sure those “Vulgar Talks” by Teju was part of his experiment to see if he could bring in conception as per his methodology using the WORD. The Creative power of Teju according to the ORIGINAL PLAN.
I don’t find this piece of information hard to digest, because Late Pastor Manasseh who TPM youths consider as a very big Holy hero, used to have vulgar talks with me. It was the worst part of my life. I deeply regret that I should have told that to my parents and elders. Because I was a secret Christian, I had feared that telling my parents could stop me from going to the Church. I was also poisoned by the thought that TPM was the only true church and exiting TPM is jumping to hell.
@meha
Even I had a similar experience. In a youth camp I saw him very close to some girls from Indonesia I think. I am not sure about their country but those girls were wearing short skirts with their hair rolled on top. They were sitting in front of me. Manasseh was always going with those girls. When I went outside the meeting hall he was laughing and talking with those girls. I did not like that and throughout that youth meeting these incidents kept flashing my mind. During that time I was in TPM bondage, so I convinced myself that I cannot speak against the servant of God. After I got married and when he prayed for me to receive the holyspirit he was pressing my head so hardly and I did not speak in tongues . But he lied I spoke in tongues. I was embarrased why he was telling like that.
And we started to going to this cult in 2014 . During the year 2012 I read a comment on Manasseh’s character. I am sharing the link here
http://thepentecostalmissionnagercoil.blogspot.com/2011/12/testimony-pas-manasseh.html?fbclid=IwAR2i39oT9SQn4ttVi-G3YLXgfgR6aEEMjkwdnHfwZ8jubvv1mIQqGY_OfQs
//AnonymousFebruary 20, 2012 at 3:48 AM
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I have read that comment . It had so many wrong things about manasseh. Sadly TPM supporters keep removing comments. In that removed comment he has mentioned Manasseh spends time with youth girls and prays for them. He did not have time to pray for him since he was guy. That comment also stated that he (commentor) left TPM and went to some other church. I read that comment in facebook also. But I was not able to locate that comment now. Even Teju message of this article I gave public comment against this full message. Immediately the channel owner deleted it. The people of this cult have same spirit as their leader.
I am reminded of an episode that happened last month.
I asked a TPM sister if she knew a particular Non-TPM pastor in a town she used to live for many decades. She made a strange face and told me ” EE SATYAM ARINJATHU NJANGAL PINNE ENGUM POYI ILLA, VERRE PASTORS AAREYUM ARRITILLA” (After knowing this truth we did not go anywhere and we don’t know any pastor from other churches.
ENDA ORU SATYAM (What a truth)
This sister was believer sister.
TPM and its nomenclatures (worker sister, believer sister etc.).
I forgot to properly tag them
Coincidentally, last week I received a call from a non-TPM pastor (let’s call him “pastor Bob”) who spent some time sharing some gospel with me. During that conversation, he shared some thoughts that provoked my thought and curiosity – very positive stuff.
For background, pastor Bob is quite anti-TPM in the doctrines of celibacy, divine healing, communcal living, etc. and outspoken about it.
Following that call, I received a call from a TPM pastor (let’s call him “pastor John”) who was enquiring about my welfare.
During the call, I asked him if he knew of pastor Bob and shared with him the thoughts that pastor Bob had shared.
The pastor John acknowledged that he knew of pastor Bob, but had never met him personally.
He also said that pastor Bob is a good man and a good servant of God and that he agreed with the thoughts that Bob had shared.
Just thought I would share this experience with you all.
Quite interesting that we all have different experiences.
Dear Vic,
You said, “ For background, the non-TPM pastor Bob is quite anti-TPM in the doctrines of celibacy, divine healing, communal living, etc. and outspoken about it“ and the TPM-pastor John “agreed with the thoughts that Bob had shared.”
Question 1. So, can we safely include pastor John also in the same ‘anti-TPM’ group as pastor Bob?
Question 2. Isn’t pastor John a hypocrite to follow ( or pretend to) the same doctrines he ‘disagrees’?
Question 3. Did you point out pastor John’s hypocrisy, or left it for ‘God to deal with it’ ?
Question 4. What’s your take on Pastor Bob’s Anti-TPM views? Do you agree or disagree?
Thank you in advance.
Shalom,
Simon
@NMSTF
” Now everytime I read an article on fromtpm.com I sing this beautiful hymn with a slight TPM twist.”
Simply incredible poetry,penned by beloved brother NMSTF .I wish I too could sing this hymn with him.
In my self -introspection/self examination, this realization of not following BERIAN concept has come and its sharing would not ‘ve been possible but for this site owner ‘s magnanimity for getting to know each other’s views.
@NMSTF
The “rabbit trail” that you refer to is of your own making.
“I don’t think any site or comments can change TPM or TPM believers but it can show the ones who have fallen from TPM that they are in safe hands. I can personally testify to that.”
The very fact that you are ONLY determined to argue about TPM shows that you have a single agenda – the downfall of that organization.
“As for observers, I always wonder why they are wasting everyone’s time here with their intelligence and their tactful use of the English language.”
Proper use of language is vital to communicating ideas and thoughts.
The writers of the books of the Bible did so and it would be good for all who propagate the word of God to do the same.
If the understanding of English is not at your command, then stick to a language that you do have command over.
Your method is to slice and dice words and fool people with talking points that serve only your agenda.
If you were truly interested in the propagation of the Gospel (which literally means “good news”), you would be doing that instead of taking potshots at individuals.
“This question about TPM being a false religion is beyond debate. If you cannot accept that, please enlighten the readers so that we can repent and come back to serve the lords of this glorious ministry.”
You are the ONLY one who refers to TPM’s doctrines as a religion. I’ve never heard anyone else say so.
I’m only here to debate and argue – not to change any minds.
Good debates always have multiple nuanced points of view.
Hammering one point of view on others is not Christian.
“There is no question about the honesty and sincerity of the TPM clergy to its TPM religion but they are all liars when it comes to the Gospel of Christ.”
So says the person who hides in the shadows.
So my dear Sir, can we hear something new.
If that was a question, it should have ended with a “?”.
Try Ephesians 4:1-3
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Colossians 3:12-17
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
2 Timothy 2:24
And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
@ Vikram, I give up my friend. You have been visiting this site as a TPM observer for many years and despite all the facts that has been presented here, your continuing to think that TPM is Christian, makes me question your discerning abilities.
Please enjoy your arguments and debates, I’m not that kind. I just love this site and the company of my brothers and sisters who have been liberated from TPM’s bondage. Every time a new TPM revelation comes out, I’m overjoyed because it confirms my decision to quit this satanic cult.
I greatly appreciate what the Admin is doing, I’m also thankful to all the other commentators and the dear folk who have shared their testimonies on this site, it is a great encouragement for me.
I always point any TPM fence sitter to fromtpm.com to clear any doubts they have about this deceptive harlot church.
As I said before, please continue to observe the comments and the articles and do enjoy your debating and argumentation. I’m using a foreign language to communicate and I can in no way win you over with my wisdom or experience.
If it is God’s will, you will one day be saved. Otherwise you will head for your TPM’s New Jerusalem and you will meet all the false teachers and chief shepherds of TPM in the esteemed presence of their Satan, father of all liars. It is not my desire to see anyone in hell but the Bible says so and who am I argue with The Word of God.
Please note TPM will flourish just like all false religions and it will end when God decides. Please continue and be blessed in TPM/NTC/UPC or wherever you are.
Let God have mercy on you!
@ No More a Slave To Fear (Bill)
Your name is too long to write every time, so I am going to call you Bill.
You said:
You have been visiting this site as a TPM observer for many years and despite all the facts that has been presented here, your continuing to think that TPM is Christian, makes me question your discerning abilities.
My view of what has been presented on this site is as follows:
– A different set of interpretations and arguments of the word of God.
TPM has theirs and this site has it’s own.
The authors of this site make very good arguments backed up by Biblical references.
I don’t believe I have disagreed with anything so far, which is primarily because I am not as knowledgeable as the authors here to do so.
So, I refrain from arguing that which I know little or nothing about.
This site suggests that if anyone disagrees or even does not agree with it’s arguments, then they are “foolish”, “sheep”, etc.
– (Read very carefully) TPM is no less Christian than the authors of this site.
Both sides have their own views on any number of topics.
You said:
Please enjoy your arguments and debates, I’m not that kind.
Thank you.
I do enjoy the debates and arguments.
It gives me an opportunity to hear other points of view and express my own.
You said:
Every time a new TPM revelation comes out, I’m overjoyed because it confirms my decision to quit this satanic cult.
Glad it’s helping you.
You said:
I always point any TPM fence sitter to fromtpm.com to clear any doubts they have about this deceptive harlot church.
Instead of pointing people to this site, you should point people to the word of God – which is laid out clearly for anyone to read and understand. By pointing people to man-made interpretations you are doing them a disservice.
You said:
I can in no way win you over with my wisdom or experience.
Don’t give up so easily.
I am still waiting for that wisdom and experience to show itself.
You said:
If it is God’s will, you will one day be saved.
That’s the nicest thing you have said and I hope that day is today or sooner rather than later.
You said:
Otherwise you will head for your TPM’s New Jerusalem and you will meet all the false teachers and chief shepherds of TPM in the esteemed presence of their Satan, father of all liars. It is not my desire to see anyone in hell but the Bible says so and who am I argue with The Word of God.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe only God Almighty has the power and authority to decide where each person’s soul will go in the end.
If I am right, then you are not doing yourself any favors by predicting the fortunes/misfortunes of others.
You said:
Please note TPM will flourish just like all false religions and it will end when God decides. Please continue and be blessed in TPM/NTC/UPC or wherever you are.
This we can agree on and I wish you the same.
You said:
Let God have mercy on you!
And may He have mercy on you too.
You said:
“This site suggests that if anyone disagrees or even does not agree with it’s arguments, then they are “foolish”, “sheep”, etc.”
Though they have some valid argument, I agree with you completely.
Wow. That’s Fantastic. Could you please point out the place where the site suggested that anyone who disagrees with our arguments are “Foolish” and “Sheep” etc?
@Admin,
Here you go again. You can never take negative comments, but you are quick to resort to sarcasm.
It’s all over the site, just check for yourself. The word was “suggests” not proclaim or declare.
What do you mean By “Site Suggests”? If the site has suggested, The initiative of the SUGGESTION has to be from the site. So if there is an initiative, you need to have some evidence. Isn’t it?
What I have asked you is put up the evidence to the statement for which you “Agreed Completely”. Now, why are you backing out saying that I am resorting to sarcasm? Put up the evidence.
As of now, you can check out the latest comments about rapture where there is a disagreement about the timing of the rapture. Maybe you can get that for a sample and prove it as Vik’s statement mentioned it’s against “ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH THE SITE”.
Essence of Real gospel and the Salvation:
Perfection doctrine is other main topic which should be linked with the above theory and message that TPM/NTC proposes to the believer community. So as the current message from Pastor Teju Kurien also points to believer’s who are in married state to live like siblings (brother-sister relation). It would be wrong to say that this message is from Ps.Teju Kurien’s personal revelation. It is infact the same theory or message that has been communicated or taught in bible studies or any meetings within the church. I believe that they emphasize on 7 steps of salvation which qualifies to a perfection according to church’s doctrine/teaching.
Perfection through sacrifice. Consecrated servant’s of God sacrifice as per their claim is not getting married (not falling in lust /defilement) as per the definition given in Rev 14:5).
The emphasis that this Church mostly give is around the theory of salvation by works or by teaching with the legalistic frame of mind .
Saved by works:
It is impossible. Oh no, the poor legalist is like a blind horse going round and round the mill,
or like the prisoner going up the treadmill, and finding himself no higher after all he has done;
he has no solid confidence, no firm ground to rest upon. He has not done enough,”never enough” conscience always says “this is not perfection”; it ought to have been better.”
Salvation for enemies must be by an ambassador-by an atonement-yes by Christ alone!!
I can’t even see a sense of brokenness in any of their congregation meetings or conventions.
Always hear about perfection.
The essence of the real gospel is highly missed. The purpose of our Lord Jesus Christ manifesting to the world and through his “sacrifice” ,”He” was made righteousness for the entire mankind. Not my righteousness but “HIS” righteousness.
We don’t need any sought of sacrifice from a man. Christ has done in it’s entirety for all mankind once for all. Jesus last words on the cross “It is finished” .
Dear All, Listen here to Pastor Sam Jebadurai talking about TPM and their claims on 144000 in Heaven, Great explanation from 15:00 to 17:00 min, only 2 minutes with very sarcastic illustrations disproving TPM claims as false. He practically explains the Revelation chapter with spirit led wisdom. Pas Sam jebadurai was a man of God raised in our times such as these to counter confusions .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWKqpMjoqc
We can upload only this 2 min clip. from 15:00 to 17:00 mins
1. This “False Doctrine” comes from ‘Gatar Gyan’ of TPM.
2. Can anyone tell this worthless moron “and his understanding no one can fathom (NIV Isaiah 40:28) ; No one can measure the depths of his understanding. (NLT Isaiah 40:28) ” Let me elaborate this, there are people who has two digits of IQ, some rare people do have IQ in three digits, and IQ Level of GOD cannot be measured, like ever!!!
How, can “God of knowledge” “Jehovah” (ASV 1 Samuel 2:3) requires ‘A secondary plan’ in the First Place.
3. This is not God’s Primary Plan and Secondary Plan, it belongs to Devil. Should I say, This “GOD” who has ‘Primary Plan’ & ‘Secondary plan’ is not GOD Eternal- Yahweh- Elohim or El-Shaddai; this so-called ‘GOD’ is SATAN- God of “Teju -the preacher of falsehood”; if there’s such thing as ‘Primary Plan’ and ‘Secondary Plan’ it needs biblical support, as this “False doctrine” does not have it.
4. By the way, can this ‘Devil worshipper- Teju’ can ever prove from “The Holy Bible” that ‘Multiple unmarried people of different sex’ can live under the same roof in the name of ‘Ministry of the New Testamanent’ – if you have ever read Bible even once you will know the answer is ‘NO, such worthless false doctrine does not exist in Bible’.
Amen bro
Hi admin,
Don’t be surprised if one day TPM will say their chief is like unto God and all must hear him. I thank God I am out of this . If this is not a cult, what is it. Only a cult has it’s own agenda and interpretation.
God bless
Anonymous
Aren’t they already doing that when they say that the Chief Pastor(Chief Shepherd) is the man on top of their organization? Please click here to read that blasphemy.
Admin
I agree with you that there is only one chief pastor (chief shepherd) and that is our Lord Jesus Christ.
I request you to source out the message from pastor Abraham Mathew during the funeral service of pastor Stephen Natarajan OR the message from pastor Stephen Natarajan during the funeral of pastor Wesley Peter.
One of them is supposed to have said and I paraphrase “we have only one chief pastor and that is the Lord Jesus Christ”.
I cannot verify this as I was not present and only heard it from another person, but I am sure that with your sources you may be able to verify it.
In addition to that, I do not believe that a person designated as “chief pastor” is any greater than anyone else in a spiritual sense.
It is an administrative role that is assumed for the functioning of the organization.
Similar to you being the admin or one of the admins of the site.
You have the authority and power to moderate the comments made on this site.
You also may publish other authors’ articles if you deem them fit for publication.
I consider the current chief pastor Abraham as the “admin” of TPM. Nothing more and nothing less.
TPM is an organization registered as a Charitable one. So legally it will have designations like President, Secretary, Treasurer etc. I will have no problem with that kind of designations. However, the title of “Chief Shepherd” is quite misplaced for a Man.
Why do you not rebuke the ones that call you Chief Pastor and correct them that the title is misplaced for a Man?
Why do you not reprint the letterhead and sign as President/Chairman etc when you send out a circular?
Aren’t these the actions expected of someone who sincerely acknowledges that he is NOT the Chief Shepherd?
@Vik G,,,”I consider the current chief pastor Abraham as the “admin” of TPM. Nothing more and nothing less.”
But on the VOP Magazine and other circulars, AM’s name invariably precedes with ‘Pastor’ not as ‘chief pastor’
Surely a lot of humbleness is involved there.
Jesus’s name gets glorified in such situations.
@Vik G…”I don’t expect my words to have any impact or effect on the eagle-eyed, “redeemed”, “liberated” and former “slaves to fear”.
Of late we find a dramatic shift from the independent observer/referee’s(IO/IR) stand towards the above mentioned brothers.
In the actual sense it should not be seen.
An independent observer should maintain the status quo as it was so.
Otherwise the ‘PRINCIPALS’ would express their anger.
Well, is there any written covenant to that effect? Yes/No.
But then, why the tone and tenor has been changed to the present level?
The reason is: All the above 4 brothers mentioned by him plus ADMN bro love him still that they all agree to disagree .
Full marks to ADMN and his team for keeping the Scarlet Thread Of Redemption which is still working well in our lives including in IO/IR.