Which Church Should I go to? – Part 1

This is one main question that many of our readers have been asking.  Some ask with the expectation that we will pop up a name and then they can try to compare with TPM on superficial behaviours.  Some genuinely ask to get to know which is a better place than TPM. Such questions come up because they have been fed with the notion that TPM is the best church. As many of you know, the answer is not going to be what they have expected. So let us jump straight into the topic. Though we had addressed this at a different level earlier, we would like to address the cause behind such thinking.

Problem with the Human Mind

We are living in a very competitive and commercial world where we tend to compare between entities.  Once we have compared those entities, we choose the best and the most affordable ones. For eg. If an Engineering student gets an entry into the IIT after successfully getting through the JEE, they look at different options. They start toying with the Idea of which IIT should they join (Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, etc). If they do not get their preferred streams in the institution of their choice, what would be their next best bet? This is how the human brain works. Therefore, they think that organizations registered as Churches (or societies) are also in the same way.

In fact, TPM promotes this thinking. They almost guarantee a problem-free ticket to the next world. In many of their sermons, they keep comparing with the other churches. The prescribed fees are tithes and offerings. They need to combine these fees with many other mundane rigours to cross the great divide. Naturally, after reading our articles many feel they have been duped by TPM all these years. They are ready to offload themselves from this sinking ship.

Living with  a Flawed thought

After the protestant reformation, came some obvious evils. One of that is the misunderstanding of “What is a Church”. The last few centuries witnessed organizations mushrooming all over the world, based on perceived doctrinal differences. Each of them calling themselves as “Church”. In reality, these were basically clubs, running the business of religion. According to me, if you rename these organizations as Clubs, instead of Churches, you will understand the truth better. Telling someone that TPM is better than CSI is just like telling Lion’s club is better than the Rotary club.

As long as you perceive that these religious clubs are churches, you will continue to ask the question of “Which Church should I go to?“. Such a notion of the Church is flawed and will keep you under the bondage of ignorance.

Cause for the flawed thought

The cause of this kind of a flawed thought is called CARNALITY. When you are injected with carnality in all walks of your life, you will end up a carnal person. The so-called consecrated servants are the worst cases of carnal people,

For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal and walk as men? 1 Cor

But the natural man receiveth, not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor 2:14.

Some Examples of carnality within TPM.
  • I have heard many instances where these white clads have mentioned that a person was so humble that God promoted him to be the chief pastor of the church. Did you note how the organizational promotion in TPM is considered as God’s approval and happiness over a person?
  • Whenever a TPM Clergy is transferred to some remote place with hardships, others who were not in good terms with him consider this as God’s chastisement.
  • The Very frequent prophecies that evoke vengeance with other humans are very evident.  Some of them are like “No Weapon Formed against you Shall Prosper“, “You shall be the head and not the tail“. “You will pursue your enemies“, “If God is for us who can be against us?” Obviously, our TPM Fanatics will spiritualize these prophecies, but we all know what is the outcome.
  • The Often boasted quote of being the “Best Church“. The so-called consecration which is asceticism is considered as a reason for special acceptability before God. Such an attitude is in direct violation of 2 Cor 10: 12. “We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.”

Conclusion

Which Church Should I go to? – Part 1By this article, we are not trying to accuse you of any wrongdoing. We understand your point and concern. Our Natural mind thinks God to be an extension of our own imaginations of him. This thinking is subtly solidifying within us by our observation of the white-clad clergy we see very often. However, God is not somebody who can be boxed into your carnal thinking. In the same way, your understanding of the Church of God should be redefined in the way God defines, rather than following our limited understanding. I would like to close this part with three questions for your own meditation.

  1. Which Church Did Abraham go to?
  2. Which Church did Enoch attend, before being Raptured?
  3. Why did not Jesus commend the temple/synagogue attendance and Zeal of the Levite and the Priest(Possibly to attend the temple service), but commended the actions of the Good Samaritan?

    An interesting chart on how people are boxed within denominations.

 

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39 Comments on “Which Church Should I go to? – Part 1”

  1. Dear, why all your posts are one sided. Though there are truths in what you share,
    why u r not posting the comments from TPM side.
    Is there not any one good thing in TPM to post.
    why all the time criticism?
    This creates a doubt in my mind..
    can I hear from u…

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    1. Dear Anand,
      If you think TPM has true biblical substance and you can vouch for it, why not post it as a comment? If you think someone else can vouch for the case for TPM Better than you, please get him in. We have never ever shied away from discussing topics. What we have seen in the past 2.5 years is that TPM supporting folks come and give some unbiblical logic or shower abuses. Never have we seen anyone who can stand and defend the TPM Doctrines.

      But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect 1 Peter 3:15

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      1. Dear,
        1. I am in TPM for more than 40 years. There may be flaws in the lives of few servants of God but many are committed for ministry. Since they dont have a family most of them work and spend their time for the welfare of the believers. Personaly I am blessed my family is blessed by the sacrifices of many workers.
        2. I have not seen any commercial activity in TPM
        3. I am edified and encouraged to grow more in the Lord through their sermons.
        4. God has blessed TPM ministries spiritually and materialy than other ministries
        5. More committed volunters are here than other ministries .
        6. A family bond is there in many faithhomes between the believers.
        7. Always the servants of God are available for our joy and sorrow
        8. Most of the young servants of God today slowly they are coming out from the debatable doctrines which u often discuss

        8. Without any advertisement many charitable works are done in many places.

        9. Because of the wrong teachings and lifestyles of few, please don’t generalise it.

        Thank you

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        1. Brother,
          You have put in 9 points and all those can be categorized as your opinions. Will you be available to answer my questions on each of them based on the scriptures? Or will you just stop responding when I ask questions? I need a commitment from you. Can you please respond?

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        2. @Anand
          Let us start from Point No. 1

          //Since they don’t have a family most of them work and spend their time for the welfare of the believers. Personally, I am blessed my family is blessed by the sacrifices of many workers.

          1. Can you please cite a few examples of welfare that you received from the Clergy?
          2. How did their unmarried status help them do this welfare to you?
          3. How will you define blessings?
          4. What are the sacrifices that they especially did because of which you are blessed?

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        3. Dear Admin,
          Welfare means,
          1.When there is a sorrow or joy in a believers family they ll be the first to join them, especially in sorrow to help them in various ways.
          2. Guiding the people towards christlikeness through prayers, messages. personal counselling, etc
          3. spl care is taken for the spiritual growth of the youth and children
          4. Always (24×7 )available for the church members
          5.For jobless people, educational needs etc prayerfully connects them with the right people in the church to help them.
          6. Putting their sincere efforts to unite the church as one family. A family bond is there in many churches.
          7. They are respected by the local police, politicians, pastors of other churches and other prominent people in many faith home areas. Any recommendation by the workers to these people are well received.
          Ex- Through the recommendations of workers many have received jobs. etc
          8.Before one week spl 72 hour prayer was conducted in all the 543 constituencies by a particular ministry. we have also joined and prayed. we have good rapport with other ministries also. Through that our believers working in other christian organisations and ministries are accepted well.
          9.Motivates people for evangelism
          10. Many leaders are created in the church for different types of ministries and they are also trained frequently.
          11. Still Many are there… because of the faults of few people, please, please don’t damage the entire ministry .

          Thank you

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        4. Brother, I see that you have answered the first of the 4 questions. I will wait for the rest. The matters you stated are things we can see in almost all Christian denominations. How could you attribute it to the UNMARRIED STATUS of TPM Clergy?
          1. But at the same time, these things you have quoted is not true for TPM. I would request you to read the Reflections of Life in TPM Series to know the truth.
          2. Which Part of Christlikeness do you see in TPM? Have you ever visited their Pastor’s Kitchen? Is that Christlikeness to have a different kitchen with premium food? Do you think it is Christlikeness to excommunicate people from communion? Do you think it is Christlikeness to Claim to be the Special than other Christians? Do you think it is Christlikeness to deny having fellowship with other Christians?
          3. What is the Special Care that youths and children are getting? Is teaching false doctrines those special care? Is claiming to be the saviours of the world part of those special care?
          4. 24×7 Available for church members? are you dreaming? try calling them when you have a need and they have their bosses calling them. You will know who will they serve.
          5. Helping the Jobless? Maybe you do not help the jobless so you find it a great thing. Every other normal person tries to help. This is not even a Christian virtue.
          6. Stop lying about bonding with the families. All that they are interested in is Splitting families and relations within the families.
          7. Respected by Politicians and Policemen? Is this even a thing you quoted? Why would they not respect them..Goons do respect the religious babas.
          8. JOining and praying with some particular ministry is welfare for you? Of course, you are concerned because Modi will get all your illegal activities in line.
          9. Brother, do you even know that TPM does not have any evangelization? What they have is religious grabbing from other denominations. Even your Chief does not know what is evangelization.


          What you mentioned in the 11 points is just plain personal opinions which can be debunked. Frankly speaking, These are done by any Hindu/Muslim organization too.
          Biblically welfare are the following
          1. Heal the Sick and Cast out Demons (Does TPM Pastors even heal a Fly?) – Matt 10:8
          2. Feed the Hungry, give drink to the thirsty, Clothe the naked, Visit the prisoners, Caring for the Sick (Do the TPM Clergy does this for the poor?) – Matt 25:34-39
          3. Heal and dress the wounds of the stranger and take him to the Hospital/Nursing home(Does TPM Pastors ever do this?) – Luke 10:25-37
          4. To be the friend of the sinners and help them (Will your TPM Pastor be ever friended with sinners?) Matt 11:19
          5. To love the enemies unconditionally ( Leave alone loving enemies, will TPM Pastors even love other Christians?) – Rom 5:10

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        5. @ Anand
          @ point 1
          1. I am in TPM for more than 40 years. There may be flaws in the lives of few servants of God but many are committed for ministry. Since they dont have a family most of them work and spend their time for the welfare of the believers. Personaly I am blessed my family is blessed by the sacrifices of many workers.

          I too have spent time inside faithome and I have seen them more closely than you. Sure there are few ( 2 in 100) who genuinely pray from heart, but for 98% of the rest, it is mere routine. They have fixed schedule and they are more concerned about their routine and their rules more than welfare of believers. Let me cite you few examples. Observe them in marriages, death, convention, Communion etc . At these times their rules matter more than they show love. Their rules are always above mercy kindness and charity. Please read series – reflections of life in tpm before responding. How many workers give money they have to poor families instead of handing it to incharge? Why? Because there rules are important and their self image before centre incharge is more important for them llthan care for those who cannot love back. How many broken roofs have they repaired by sacrificing their own food and necessities ? How many believers house rent have they paid for instead of filling petrol diesel in their own car? How many believers children education fees, school needs they supplied, when asked to pray for? Does not James say one ought to give blanket to naked than to pray for his warmth? How many widow and fatherless they have brought in faith home and cared for ? This is not sacrifice Sir! Don’t create false brainwashed image of sacrifice before people of this site. They all know that this is serving organization and its system. And even if you want to consider any rare workers prayer for your family as one goodness, remember llit was for material life. you are more in danger of eternal life with their false teachings and doctrines than their prayer for you for material life. if you want to prove me wrong please begin answering doctrinal articles addressed in this site.

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        6. Dear Brother,

          Have below comments,
          2. I have not seen any commercial activity in TPM ” You’re not likely to see one in your lifetime…as these are only handled by inner core slaves. They wire thousands or dollars to centres…
          3. I am edified and encouraged to grow more in the Lord through their sermons…..If you are edified by their sermons then surely you MUST TEST YOUR SPIRIT
          4. God has blessed TPM ministries spiritually and materialy than other ministries…….Increase in the number of church goers means nothing. Definitely not a sign of growth. I do agree that they have grown materially…….BUT NOTE THAT A CHURCH CANNOT GROW MATERIAILLY AND SPIRITUALLY TOGETHER. AS PER THE GOSPEL IT IS ALWAYS ONE THAT PROSPERS….
          6. A family bond is there in many faithhomes between the believers. GOOD EXAMPLE IS,
          ONCE WHEN A CANCER AFFECTED SISTER WENT TO TAMBI DURAI FOR PRAYER…HE REFUSED TO PRAY AS SHE OPTED TO GO FOR CONSULTATION..SHE WAS HEARTBROKEN.
          THE SISTER WHO SLOGS 12-14 HOURS CHURNING OUT VARIOUS DISHES AND KITCHEN CHORES WILL VOUCH FOR THE FAMILY BOND WHICH YOU CLAIM.

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        7. @ Anand
          You said, “1.When there is a sorrow or joy in a believers family they’ll be the first to join them, especially in sorrow to help them in various ways.”

          I’ll quote a very fresh experience. Recently I was admitted to hospital ( I am an ex-tpm). Next to me was admitted tpm believer. Sisters came to see her. Sisters waited with the hospitalised patient for not more than half hour (Pastor , assistant pastor did not come to unholy place like hospital). For rest of the days it was the family that stayed whole night, morning and evening with the patient. Irony is this hospitalised woman had left her husband and joined to tpm (I don’t know the whole story, my father told me this nonsense she did).

          During such tribulation days for the family, their was no sign from workers side to provide food, or stay with family. Just a mere visit of 5-10 minutes! Workers were enjoying delicious food in their comfortable faith home all seven days of hospitalization. This behavior of workers is like saying – it is your family problem- why should we stay with you whole night ?

          Treatment cost believer atleast 12 lakhs. Family had to borrow money from friends and relatives. Tpm gave help of zero rupees. Uncle (girls father) told me that patient’s sister is one that bears expense of convention in her local place.. So after taking all money from family to conduct conventions in order to expand tpm church, tpm workers did not contribute even a single penny of the 12 lakh expense of believers hospitalization. On the contrary patient will be punished for six months on her recovery. She will not be given Communion. When they hear 12 lakhs for treatment, they make faces saying “Aiyyo! Doctors loot money. Thank God we don’t go to hospital.” But taking out a single penny from their pockets to ease burden from family is far from tpm.

          Conclusion:
          Your loving worker contribute zero rupees in times of crisis: they stop you from getting hospitalised (healed) – they themselves can’t heal a fly;
          they don’t stay with you through the times of trouble ;
          finally they punish you at the end by humiliating you in front of society that Communion is not given because she took medicine.

          Is this what you call standing with believers family in times of sorrow?

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        8. @Anand

          //There may be flaws in the lives of few servants of God but many are committed for ministry.
          So you are accepting that there are flaws in the workers life !!! But what does Jesus tell ?
          A good tree cannot bear bad fruits . So how can you tell TPM is good tree ? The purpose of Holyspirit is to make your life very holy . If there is holyspirit work in TPM then how can the life be flaw ?
          Do you think that TPM does ministry as commanded by Jesus ?
          Mathew 28: 19,20 Jesus asked to make disciples . But TPM just makes believers who are trated like slaves. Was there any disctinction such as disciples and believers ?
          //Since they dont have a family most of them work and spend their time for the welfare of the believers
          This is totally wrong understanding of you . Jesus loves family. That is why he did the first miracle in a marriage. (John 2:11) . Even if you are married and have kids loving Jesus must be our first priority.

          Luke 14:26 – 27
          26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. 27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

          Here hate means not forsaking them and leaving them alone but to love Christ and serve Him. Hear Jesus voice and led by His spirit. When you follow TPM and leave your family they are in direct violation of Jesus commands. (Mark 12:30,31). Also read 1 Timothy 4:3 which states as follows:
          3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
          // Personaly I am blessed my family is blessed by the sacrifices of many workers.
          The only person whom we are blessed is Jesus Christ. Because you trust their doctrines you are making sacrifice of Jesus less than TPM workers. Read Mathew 23:8
          Matthew 23:8 “But you shouldn’t be called Rabbi, because you have one teacher, and all of you are brothers and sisters”.
          1. I have not seen any commercial activity in TPM

          The sale of books by TPM and getting money for convention is commercial activity. And creating fear in the mind of believers and asking tithe which is old covenant. They are using it for building their own kingdom instead of Jesus kingdom which are organisms not organization.

          2. I am edified and encouraged to grow more in the Lord through their sermons.
          Read John 17:17 Sanctify them by[a] the truth; your word is truth
          John 4:14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” When you hear the voice of Jesus all human sermons will appear waste. Example life of Paul.

          3. God has blessed TPM ministries spiritually and materialy than other ministries

          This is prosperity gospel preached by TPM brother . Please compare everything they preach whether it is in accordance with bible or not . Why was paul not a billionaire when he finished his ministry. Read Acts 28:30,31
          30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 He proclaimed the kingdom of Godand taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!
          Paul did not construct a single building of his own . Then how can you boast about material blessing as a sign of Jesus presence ?
          Read Mark 16:20
          Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it. Are there any meetings in TPM as per this verse ?
          4. More committed volunters are here than other ministries.
          Yeah because many voulunteers in all their meetings are believers (slaves). This is what Jesus also pointed that many will end in hell as it has broad way.

          5. A family bond is there in many faithhomes between the believers.
          This shows you have still not understood what a family is according to Jesus. Bonding desired by Jesus is between husband and wife and their kids. Celibacy being preached makes you think like that. Jesus never asked you go to any congregation for fellowship or bonding.He asked you and me to follow Him by taking the cross. Fell really sad for you bro.Anand.

          6. Always the servants of God are available for our joy and sorrow
          Jesus is the way , truth and life !! Why are you seeking after some persons to accompany you in times of sorrow and joy. It is totally useless to seek human love instead of divine love.
          7. Most of the young servants of God today slowly they are coming out from the debatable doctrines which u often discuss
          So you accept that there are evil doctrines in TPM !! It is like there is a fire in a building and you pray for rain to come to put out fire !!
          8. Without any advertisement many charitable works are done in many places.
          Wow can you name a few. Never a charity happens within walls of TPM.Read Mathew 25 and understand what is charity !
          8. Because of the wrong teachings and lifestyles of few, please don’t generalise it.
          A small amount of yeast will make through the entire dow ! If you really love Jesus how can you keep quiet when they are harassing His teachings. Brother you are deceived for 40 long years. Please read gospels Mathew , Mark , Luke , John and understand what Jesus wants from His followers. Jesus speaks to all His children (John 1:12). TPM tells Jesus speaks through prophecy and pulpit. TOTALLY SATANIC !! WAKE UP.
          1 Thessolonians 5:21

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      2. Anand

        Unless you just want to have some fun rattling their cages (like I do), there is actually no point in debating with these guys.

        They are obsessed with a few things:
        1. That TPM ministers choose to be celibate. Somehow these guys are very obsessed with it and unable to comprehend and understand that some people have chosen it as a way of life.

        2. That TPM believers (and lots of others) freely give money to the work of God, through TPM. These are guys very curious about how much is given and what’s done with it.
        I’ve never questioned what they do with the money, but have pointed out to the ministers whenever I have seen expenditure that I think is wasteful.
        If they are unfaithful with the money given to them, then that is for them to answer.

        3. The food and diet habits of TPM ministers. For some reason, they seem to think that the TPM kitchens are full of amazing cooks who serve up world-class delicacies for the TPM ministers to gorge upon.

        4. TPM doctrines are of particular interest to these guys. The “scholars” on this website claim to have some all-knowing knowledge of the scriptures. Quite easy these days with all the technology and resources available. Anyone can be a preacher.

        5. Debates – they are obsessed with facing TPM ministers one-on-one in debates.

        6. Harmony – they cannot fathom that hundreds of thousands of people of different languages, customs and traditions are able to come together in dozens of countries as one to worship God.
        They function under different names and under different legal arrangements that suit the laws of different countries.

        There is no objectivity in their arguments.
        If you notice, they have no issue with any other denomination of Christianity (except the Catholic Church, which is conveniently used to compare TPM with).

        There are lots of bad apples in the TPM barrel that spoil the good work that is done by the majority.

        Unfortunately (or fortunately), TPM leadership is really bad at PR.
        They do not publicly discuss the good charitable work they do for people in TPM and outside.
        They feed, clothe and shelter poor people across the world – but never talk about it.

        Since they ask for Biblical references all the time, I found the first few verses of the Gospel According to St. Matthew quite useful:
        1. Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

        2. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

        3. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

        4. That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

        Unlike a lot of other “churches”, TPM does not publish who gave how much to whom, when, where, why and how.

        They grab bits of pieces of information, rumor and gossip that they hear and make mountains out of molehills.

        If you notice, a lot of their accusations are prefaced with “we have heard”, “it is well known”, “is supposed to be”, “our sources tell us”, etc.
        Apart from this, they have other clowns who regularly attend TPM meetings, record everything that is said and then cherry-pick their arguments.
        They also get their hands on circulars issued, publicly available documents and cry “wolf”.

        The only beneficiaries of this site really are the ambulance chasing independent pastors into whose arms these guys are driving gullible people.

        I recall personally hearing one of the late chief pastors (whom they like to deride) once speaking at a convention and saying that they do not claim TPM to be the only way to salvation or the kingdom of God.
        He, in fact, exhorted every person to pray for guidance and to go wherever the spirit of God urged them.
        At another meeting, he publicly admonished his own fellow workers for focusing too much on constructing faith homes and acquiring convention grounds.
        His message was that, in this day and age, these things are necessary to continue the work of God, but that there is more to the mission than just that.
        (I won’t mention his name here, as it would send our “friends” on this site into a feeding frenzy.)

        This is nothing more than a coordinated hit job against TPM by a bunch of egotistical, self-obsessed individuals with a following of other egotistical, self-obsessed individuals – all of them hiding behind a cloak of anonymity provided by the internet.

        “Redeemed” – Indeed!
        “No More A Slave To Fear” – Indeed!
        “LeadUsIntoLight” – Sure!

        They take the names of a few TPM workers (dead and living), whom they have never met or dealt with and write diatribes about them, based on the yarns spun by people with axes to grind.

        These loud-mouthed dilettantes with their fake holier-than-thou names are the real threat.

        I presume that soon you will start seeing ads on this site for different churches.

        I just come and hang around here every now and then for a good laugh.

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        1. Replying to vik
          In case you want to change your tpm worshipping specs, you can go through following.
          https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2018/07/29/feigning-ignorance-is-it-wise/

          People like vik are obsessed in trying hard to find good in tpm. On the surface, it appears as if their intention is Noble! However if someone tries to call evil as good, it is then you begin to realize that something is fishy.

          These breeds (excessive positive thinkers) will leave no stone unturned in making even devil’s evil appear good. For example; If you warn people about presence of devil in Sunday meeting, then these (vik/anand/ blind bhakts) positive seeking sycophants will be able to frame lovely words about devils devotion. They will critisize you that you cannot fathom devotion that has awoken in devil. They will applaud devil saying, can’t you see how devil has wore white clothes in church ? They will say he has left all fashion of the world before coming to presence of believers! They will say, see he is helping servants of God to read bible and get Revelation from God. In short such breeds can make dung appear as delicious cake by their art of playing with words.

          Read all the evil, vik wants people to see in tpm as good.
          1. Celibacy;
          Vik blames fromtpm guys, mocks them and nicely conjures his words to make it appear as if fromtpm guys can’t grasp that some people can choose to live unmarried. By such crafty and biased choice of words he refrains from saying that tpm actually makes celibacy compulsion for ministry. It is not choice in tpm for minister to marry or remain celibate.

          2. Wealth of tpm
          Choosing his words craftily, vik makes fromtpm guys guilty again of trying to peek in at wealth of tpm. He calls evil as good and good as evil. He calls evil of wasting money on temple erection ( mammoth tpm buildings) as good and calls them evil who ask people to donate money to poor and needy instead of greedy white frauds. Problem of religion lovers is that morality is secondary to them compared to customs of religion. Perfect trait of pharisees!

          3. Food habits of tpm
          Vik has never seen a pastors kitchen in convention, and he is unable to fathom why general mass is given sambar rice and why pastors are given non veg, fish, fruits and a proper food tray. He can’t see evil is such discrimination. Yes! he calls them evil who exposes this discriminations of holy loving sacrificial saints. Three cheers to vik for such beautiful eyes he possesses!

          4. Harmony
          Omg! The worship of tpm, when you make people disobey God by filling in tongues (I Corinthians 14), when you make people repeat name of God (PTL, PTL ) hours after hours in vain , when you make people sing praises to human demigods by songs of Zion! All this is good for vik, because people from hundreds of language and geographies violate God’s commandments in harmony.

          5. He says TPM is bad at PR !
          See him calling good as evil and evil as good , and guess where has he learnt this art of making dung appear as delicious chocolate creamy cake. And then see him saying tpm is bad at PR. He hasn’t seen tpm despising other churches, and calling their own group as full-time consecrated Ministers. The three tier eternity with Zion reserved for tpm is not PR management according to him .

          6. Cherry picking
          He can’t see tpm pastors cherry picking word of God, but he is able to make fromtpm guys as cherry pickers !

          Vik – salute you sir for wonderful art you possess , of making good appear as evil and evil appear as good!

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        2. Oh, Dominic!

          So much to respond to, but I shall try.

          On “Celibacy;
          You said “It is not choice in tpm for minister to marry or remain celibate.”

          I agree with you on this – perfectly said.

          However, YOU and I have a choice on whether to join th eTPM ministry and serve God or to serve God in other ways like other servants of God do.
          There are plenty of Pentecostal ministries where it is perfectly fine to be married, have a family and conduct the work of God.

          I chose not to, but my brother chose to do so.
          His choice versus mine.
          He has no regrets.

          On “Wealth of tpm
          You said “He calls evil of wasting money on temple erection ( mammoth tpm buildings) as good and calls them evil who ask people to donate money to poor and needy instead of greedy white frauds. “

          Is it a good to claim that I said something when I clearly DID NOT?
          Could you please show me where I said that it is good to erect buildings?
          For your information, I said “I’ve never questioned what they do with the money, but have pointed out to the ministers whenever I have seen expenditure that I think is wasteful.
          If they are unfaithful with the money given to them, then that is for them to answer.”

          The money I give is given to God for the work of God.
          If the workers misuse or abuse it, they must answer for it.
          Between me and my Lord, I have done my part.

          If you are going to debate, make sure you use facts and not misquote or misrepresent other people.

          On Food habits of tpm
          You said “Vik has never seen a pastors kitchen in convention, and he is unable to fathom why general mass is given sambar rice and why pastors are given non veg, fish, fruits and a proper food tray.

          I did not wish to say this earlier, but I have actually eaten at the pastors tables with several pastors and centre pastors at many conventions, including Irumbuliyur.

          I’m sure you understand that I am one of the “special direhards” that gets to eat there.

          Whether you believe me or not, that is up to you, but in all my life I have never seen the lavish food that you claim of.

          In fact the last time I was in Irumbuliyur, a centre pastor invited me to lunch in the pastors dining hall and we both had some chapatis and tomato based dish, washed down with some plain water.
          There was no meat or fish or anything else of the sort.

          Perhaps, they keep the meat and fish for the chiefs and the SUPER SPECIAL diehards.

          I have however found that in the conventions in Kerala, there tends to be some meat for visiting pastors.
          I know that in our local congregation, there is an old couple that sends across some fish and meat for conventions as part of their tithe.
          Perhaps some of this finds its way to the pastors table.
          I’m pretty sure that the couple is not sending over enough to feed hundreds or thousands that gather every day.

          So, in this case I must do as the Bereans and search for the truth and understand it.

          On Harmony , your entire statement is just pure rubbish mockery – not worthy of a response.

          He says TPM is bad at PR !
          You said a lot of trash first and then you said “He hasn’t seen tpm despising other churches, and calling their own group as full-time consecrated Ministers. The three tier eternity with Zion reserved for tpm is not PR management according to him .

          No, I haven’t heard TPM despising any other churches. Perhaps you and I go to different TPMs.

          What is strange though is that off late, I have been shown videos of pastors from other Pentecostal denominations praising TPM for its practices and suggesting that they need to be more like TPM.

          It is also interesting that TPM would propagate Zion as being exclusively for them since as per the definition that is suggested for entry into Zion, the founder pastor Paul as well as most of his colleagues of that time would automatically be disqualified from entry. Apart from that, a lot of the workers in the western ministries would also be disqualified.

          I wonder why an organization would have such a doctrine if its own founder is ineligible.

          Cherry picking
          Everybody cherry picks – to suit his/her own purposes.

          I can speak for myself and confidently say that every time a sermon starts with one verse, I read above and below to understand the context of what is being said.

          All in all, nice try Dominic.
          Look at the bright side, at least No More A Slave To Fear got a kick out of your comments.

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        3. Brother vik,
          According to you, joining tpm ministry is serving God, but for me it is serving devil. Be thankful to God that neither me nor you are serving devil (tpm’s ministry). Pray for your brother! And if you disagree then there are two hundred plus doctrinal issues highlighted in tpm. You seem to be silent on most of them .

          And if you have agreed that in tpm, you don’t have choice to marry, then as per I Timothy 4:3, tpms doctrine to forbid to marry is demonic! Isn’t it? Just for your meditation. Think on Daniel 11:37. Antichrist has no desire for woman. Any connection with Roman Catholic celibacy, tpm celibacy and I Timothy 4:3 with daniel 11:37.

          On wealth on tpm
          This site is not against giving money for God’s work. But you need to define work of God? Think on this – How much is it needed for those who serve God , to fulfil their daily needs? Do you all give more than that? Is it necessary to give money to tpm only, when they thousands of blind followers who will
          only give it to tpm? How times they preach pure gospel and how much money is needed to preach gospel? Earlier they used to live on rent. But now the amount of property they buy is from surplus. Any surplus spent on their own comfort instead of meeting poor believers needs is abuse. Isn’t it? You don’t need charted accountant to calculate how much is needed for God’s work. This site has spoken on wealth of tpm publicly and you claim to have spoken it privately. However, they neither listen to your private exhortations and neither to our public exhortations. So whats the use of giving them fat pay checks and telling them not to waste, when you know they don’t listen? Aren’t you stupid to claim that you are giving it to God, when God has given you wisdom to do simple maths and find out whether your money is utilized for God’s work or for making their own life more comfortable ?

          Take one analogy! When I know that giving money to politician ( in name of God ) will not make him use it for glory of God, then it will be stupidity to say, I don’t care what politician does with my money. I have given it for God’s work! Same is when you give money to tpm and try to justify your stand. You have wisdom. Decide for yourself. We will keep posting on wastage of wealth by tpm, to open eyes of blind devotees. You were wrong in critisizing this sites exposing wealth wastage of tpm.

          @ food
          I was also a die hard fan of tpm..I have also eaten with pastors and workers. I assure you pastors get nonveg dish during conventions. The problem is not in eating or not eating lavish food. Problem is discrimination. They give one kind of food to believers and another kind (limited but good quality) to pastors and workers. Problem is when you claim to have forsaken all for serving people of God and eat better food compared to others.

          @harmony
          Ok, I take back my mockery! Now respond and show me how do you think tpm worship is God’s worship ? Is tarrying meeting according to word of God? Is praising part of tpm (1 hour of mindless/heartless repeating of praise the Lord ) worship of God? Isn’t it against commandments of Christ to not to take name of God in vain or repeat like gentiles many times thinking God will hear prayers because of 500 repetitions? Are zion songs in praise of tpm workers worship of God or praise of tpm? Please respond to this one. I am willing to hear your opinion on worship in tpm.

          @not heard tpm despising others
          Listen what teju says in opening statements:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkfAYcuNKv4 He says he won’t attack other churches in this bible study (refference to bible study he is giving). This is straight from horse’s mouth that tpm despises and attacks other churches.

          @ NMSTF getting a kick out of my comments.
          Did that hurt you?
          FYI; I loved his tit for tat to your trolling! Hope you don’t mind our mutual encouraging of each other.

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  2. Hello and Praise the Lord.
    Thank you for all your articles in the blog.
    I admit, I am in a confusion too on which church to go after spending many years at TPM. After reading many of your articles, what I understand is that we must be part of a fellowship in which there are neither doctrinal errors nor unreasonable control from leadership.
    Can you suggest a few churches that would meet the criteria?
    Thank you for your help.

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    1. Hi, I too was in a dilemma as to which church to go to when I left TPM last October. We prayed and God led is to a wonderful church. What the pastor teaches us is that we as Christians should be able to attend any other Christian Church. We are all the followers of Christ. So please keep this matter in prayer and look for such a church. I will also pray for God to lead you to one.
      Meantime please listen to sermons in Grace Church Abu Dhabi
      https://www.gracechurchabudhabi.com/sermons

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  3. Anand
    @”Dear, why all your posts are one sided. Though there are truths in what you share,”
    To answer the query of Anand,I just made a survey how many ARTICLES/EPISODES that this posted till date.
    The first article was posted on 13 th October 2016 and the last article—13 th April,2019..
    That means 30 months went by since the first Article was published in 2016. So many thousands and thousands of believers were enlightened by these excellent way of presentation of ARTICLES/EPISODES.Even the QUIZs presented in between the articles were of real eye opener for 40 year old 60 year old experienced believers!
    Ther were now total 288 Articles posted so far with excellent back up of Biblical references and a rare member participation of debates and comments. They are of more theological value for most of the reading community of this site.I was the one who broke away myself from this clutches of CULT activity since almost two years after having been in this dark era for about 25 years!.
    Like Anand I was having a partial opinion on the TPM. But when once I somehow God showed me His grace and led me to go through this site and when I went through the site ARTICLES, my eyes were opened and the Bereans of the Biblical era, I tried to cross check up the facts presented in this site.. I finally came to the conclusion that this TPM activities are nothing but a CULT activities. I matched with my own personal experiences by regularly attending to various conventions being conducted all over the globe by spending lakhs and lakhs of precious hard earned money from my mundane job. In all the major international conventions I testified.Right from CP -CK Lazarus times , I had been following this CULT orgn.
    I attended OHIO(2002).KOTTARAKARA(2007),IBR( almost every alternate years since 1996),KOKKAWILA-SRILANKA-(since 2010 onwards without any break).
    So I had an excellent knowledge about these 4 major international conventions.If people do n’t have any back up knowledge they are simply duped by this CULT organisation.Not only Anand, many Anands are being regularly trapped by this way that this TPM is conducting its business like any busy schedules of an industry.You know this CULTs’main activity involved is to strengthen its base by going on building up of the CONSTRUCTION activity of F.Hs, instead of spending time for evangelisation of the world. In the process so much of suicides, murders, and so much of unruly activities happened and are still happening that this site had been constantly exposing over these 30 months non-stop!
    Even this site exposed the real estate worth of this CULT orgn runs into crores of rupees more than the order of 2900 crs and odd. Does this match Biblical activities of apostle Paul?
    I do request brothers like Anand to please go through the articles presented in this site once again and appreciate the pains being taken by Bro ADMN and his TEAM, before forming their own opinions and to please check up whether the scriptures say so.God has given us enough time nowadays to open our eyes of understanding.

    Rating: 5
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  4. @ Anand,
    You wrote
    //Before one week spl 72 hour prayer was conducted in all the 543 constituencies by a particular ministry. .//

    Can you elaborate in how many constituencies out of 543, TPM’s presence is available? Even a mere little presence is worth accepting.

    //we have also joined and prayed. we have good rapport with other ministries also. Through that our believers working in other christian organisations and ministries are accepted well.//

    There cannot be a greater brainwashed comments than this. In which world you are living? Why can’t you read all the articles in this site? Then you can understand the rapport OF TPM with other ministries. Most pathetic state of affair. MAY GOD BLESS YOU TO OPEN YOUR EYES SPIRITUALLY.

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  5. I am yet to find one Humble believer from TPM, not one I have met. Don’t want to mention about false humility… There is not a friend like the lowly Jesus ! Never ever met a tpm believer with this Christ like quality in them, although I knew many. Never , never and ever seen one. Only ascertaining again 🙂 !

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    1. Tamaron – meet Admin, Eagle’s Eye, Franklin, No More A Slave To Fear and Redeemed.

      They will introduce you to lots of humble people.

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      1. …and the greatest fan of TPM award goes to Vik the articulate, the fun loving troll on fromtpm.com. Unfortunately you will have to make yourself an eunuch (aka castrate yourself) if you have to get in to TPM’s most holy place, so resign yourself to the best place in TPM’s New Jerusalem.

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        1. You are so obsessed with this celibacy thing.

          Brother – I suggest you find yourself a good woman and settle down.

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        2. It is your beloved TPM which is obsessed with Celibacy and they use it to bar educated people like you from entering their zion. How can you accept that nonsense if you are not brainwashed?

          As for me, I’m happily married and content to be just the bride of Christ.

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  6. This EPISODE is being rained with live wire testimonies not to target someone keeping in mind nor to discredit someone’s personal reputation but to
    bring glory and honour and majesty to Him as these testimonials simply flow out by the love of God and by His inspiration alone. Sister Leena Samuel’s instant reply,brother Redeemed’s painstaking explanations, brotherNath’s inspiring hospital anecdote , brother Franklin’s posers to whomever is concerned , brother ADMIN’s patient explanations coupled with own testimony and finally brother Tamaron’s fusion mixer will certainly bring many new souls into our fold.That is the kind of hope that God gave us.

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  7. I was in Tpm for 15 years, I moved out of tpm in 2017 and attending Sharjah branch of Christian Fellowship Church, based in Bangalore. From my 2 years of experience, I found this church helped my lot in my personal life. I believe this church is a good option if anyone is looking for a church. But first test and try any church before you go, and discern what spirit is dominating in any church, money, position, politics, are beleivers elders pastors spiritually minded.
    Or they looking for just numbers to add up.

    http://www.cfcindia.com.
    http://www.cfcdubaichurch.comThanks
    Sony

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  8. Sister Surya’s patient explanations are simply matched to the brave testimony of Sony that whomsoever it may concerns.Now it is apparent that the flow will become like a tsunami when more number of testimonies will join the main stream as a result of 288 EPISODES floating around this site. When it happens who can stop them? Infact none.

    Rating: 5
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  9. why is it bothering you vik? Is it because you just can’t bear to see your beloved TPM being stripped naked layer after layer off its fig leaves.

    It is not going to stop, my friend, the expose will be more intense in the coming days. TPM is not an hidden ministry anymore, now it is a revealed mystery – it is a false religion and its mother is Mystery Babylon. I’m s so sorry to wake you up from your slumber.

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  10. @Vik G
    Dear Vik,

    I’m really happy that you are trying to rectify a few mistakes that you find in TPM – like pointing out to the clergy whenever you think the believer’s money is getting wasted. That’s really good. That’s what I’m really looking forward to – people like you pointing out to what’s right and what’s wrong. I am not interested in church hopping or leg pulling. What I’m looking for is consistency in doctrines.

    You had commented that some late chief pastor told in a sermon that even other church members would go to Zion (is my understanding correct?) However, I am not hearing such a doctrine in any of the sermons. Is there a chance that there is a confusion of doctrines within TPM? Is there a revised doctrine on divine healing too? Where or whom should I approach if I want to know all the current TPM doctrines?

    Your comment on TPM helping the poor and needy is appreciated. But, do you want to say here that we should continue to be unaccountable – and not get directly get involved in any social services – and only offer support from outside? How do you help a person who is sick and needs medical attention? On what basis would you evaluate that a person needs financial assistance? Does all the control lie with the clergy and the laity cannot be part of any decision making?

    Please understand, I’m not here for time pass or make fun of anyone. I value, admire, and recognize the true devotion of anyone towards God. I believe when someone embraces celibacy as a calling (from any church denomination), it is their way of life. I am not judging their calling or even their aspiration to go to Zion.

    All I want from guys like you, who are well educated, is some clarity and consistency on the doctrines of TPM.

    Thank you, Vik.

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    1. Dear LeadUsIntoLight
      (Can I just call you Jack?)

      A few comments on yours:

      I’m really happy that you are trying to rectify a few mistakes that you find in TPM – like pointing out to the clergy whenever you think the believer’s money is getting wasted. That’s really good. That’s what I’m really looking forward to – people like you pointing out to what’s right and what’s wrong.

      You may not be aware that there are many such people all over TPM who act as better angels for the workers.
      No TPM worker is perfect or even a saint. They are human just like you and me and prone to mistakes – both material and spiritual mistakes.
      But, if we spend our time merely looking to find fault, then we are going to be like the people who wanted to stone the adulteress.

      However, if, in all meekness and humility, we approach the workers and confidently highlight issues, they are eager to listen.
      There are some who are so arrogant that they will ignore you, but it still does not take away our duty to bring things to their notice.

      What they do with that information and advice is up to them.

      Recently, during a conversation with a senior centre pastor, we came upon the subject of the differences in the administrative styles of different chief pastors.
      Each has his own style and method based on the guidance offered to him.
      We talked about a specific late chief pastor, and this centre pastor who is a bit senior to him in age and in service, said that among the things he appreciated about that chief pastor was his humility when it came to dealing with elderly people – workers as well as believers.
      He said that he personally witnessed instances where the late chief pastor would call upon elderly pastors, sisters and believers and seek their opinion on matters.

      We have also had chief pastors whose administrative style may have seemed dictatorial or authoritarian.
      They mean well and perhaps we focus too much on the style, rather than the substance.

      A TPM worker, the moment he/she is inducted into the ministry, does not become holy overnight.
      It is a slow and steady process that takes years.
      There are some workers who mature very quickly and some who never seem to mature despite their age.

      You said “What I’m looking for is consistency in doctrines.”

      I think I may have said this before: the best place to find consistency is in the Bible itself.
      If you seek the word of God and ask Him to reveal it to you diligently, He will.

      You don’t need any TPM worker or believer to do this for you.

      The word of God has not changed in the thousands of years since it was written.

      What further consistency do you want?

      You said “You had commented that some late chief pastor told in a sermon that even other church members would go to Zion (is my understanding correct?)

      No I believe my exact words were:
      “I recall personally hearing one of the late chief pastors (whom they like to deride) once speaking at a convention and saying that they do not claim TPM to be the only way to salvation or the kingdom of God. He, in fact, exhorted every person to pray for guidance and to go wherever the spirit of God urged them.”

      I believe the entry into Zion is decided by God and not by any doctrine of man.

      You said “Is there a chance that there is a confusion of doctrines within TPM? Is there a revised doctrine on divine healing too? Where or whom should I approach if I want to know all the current TPM doctrines?

      I do not believe that there is any confusion of doctrines within TPM.
      There might confusion caused by linguistics or by workers throwing in their personal interpretations.

      I also do not believe there is any revised doctrine on divine healing.

      However, the best things to do are:
      1. Approach your nearest centre faith home and ask for copies of all the books on the doctrines.
      They usually have copies in your language or can get them for you.
      2. Read through them, compare with the Bible (just as the Bereans would have done)
      3. Consult your local pastor or worker for any doubts and clarify until you are convinced one way or another.

      But in all this, as Bunny suggested St Peter’s advice in 1 Peter 3:15: “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

      You asked “Do you want to say here that we should continue to be unaccountable – and not get directly get involved in any social services – and only offer support from outside? How do you help a person who is sick and needs medical attention? On what basis would you evaluate that a person needs financial assistance? Does all the control lie with the clergy and the laity cannot be part of any decision making?”

      You have asked several questions there, so allow me to take them one at a time:
      1. Accountability:
      One of the reasons why TPM has not splintered into several smaller denominations like a lot of independent Pentecostal “churches” is because of the top-down administrative approach with the foundational belief and faith that the chief pastors and centre pastors work with divine guidance.
      So, first, we are basing the structure on absolute faith in God and that he will lead TPM just like he led his children through the wilderness in the old testament.

      In most other “churches”, they have a great role for the laity to play.
      They have committees and sub-committees for everything from the color of the lamps in the ceiling to the amount of money to be spent on toilet paper.

      This brings about a certain amount of “politics”, one-upmanship and gives rise to other sins of the mind such as envy, jealousy, etc.

      The question of accountability is primarily raised by those who are extremely curious about the money that is transacted by TPM.
      I will not take names, but I know of certain “pastors” outside of TPM who are constantly feeding these questions into the hearts and minds of TPM believers in order to sway their faith.

      The money that is given to TPM workers is called “free will offering” which is intended for the work fo God.
      It is not for the pastor to pay for a new roof on his mansion or to send his kids to the best schools or to pay for his daughter’s wedding.

      In the initial days of TPM, pastor Paul and his colleagues worshipped in rented homes and halls. This was with the pure purpose of not having any possessions on this earth.
      However, as the fellowship grew,
      (a) nominal Christian society lashed back at TPM believers and made it hard for them to gather and worship by blocking access to rented spaces, and
      (b) it was no longer just a few random places in Sri Lanka and Kerala.

      Seeing the way the fellowship was growing, the later pastors agreed that believers need a space where they can freely worship anytime without seeking the goodwill or permission of anyone else.

      These initial places of worship were and are called faith homes because the money to acquire them came purely by faith.
      They then turned into places where the workers to stay and conduct their ministry.

      All the faith homes are in the name of the legal entity of that country, so no individual lays claim of ownership to anything.
      The legal entities in each country are set up as per the laws of the land.
      The Bible commands us to obey the laws of the lands we live in and to be subject to those that have rule over us.

      The admin and his friends will publish publicly available financial reports from the UK and other places that show how many millions of pounds are in the church accounts.
      This is public information, available to all to see, as the laws of the UK require.
      You can do the same for the Church of England and any other registered society.

      Indian law does not require such information to be made public and hence it is not done so.
      However, the law does require accounts to be audited and comes under the scrutiny of the government from time to time.

      So, TPM is accountable to the authorities of the lands they serve in as well as to God Almight who is the ultimate authority.

      2. Social Services
      I do not believe that TPM was founded for doing social services.

      You can argue that Christ himself commanded and the Bible teaches us that we must help those in need and less fortunate that us.
      However, this is not the primary purpose.

      Nevertheless, TPM pastors across the world do engage in social services regardless of race, religion and any other reservation.

      It’s just that you and I never know about it.
      They do not publish or publicise their work.
      As Christ said in the Gospel according to St Matthew,
      1. Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
      2. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
      3. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
      4. That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

      3. How To Help The Sick
      The only way a TPM worker can really help is by praying for them.
      It is up to the family or next of kin to find that person medical attention.
      If a person does not seek medical attention and has decided that he/she will wait for the Lord to heal him/her, then that it their choice.

      As mentioned by the admin in another comment, it is God’s “prerogative” to heal or not to heal.
      However, our God is a merciful and compassionate God. He will recognize the faith of that person and just as He did for Abraham, He will impute it as righteousness for that person to enjoy a better reward in the kingdom of heaven (which is really what this is all about isn’t it?).

      My grandfather stood for divine healing till the day he died.
      Towards the end, when he was weak, we begged him to let us take him to the hospital so that we could at least ease his suffering.
      He simply, quite consciously, refused.
      He passed with a little bit of suffering, but did so gladly.
      We were and are sad, but the big picture is that he got to live his faith till the very end.
      And if that is wrong, then may God punish us.

      4. Judging Who Needs Financial Assistance
      In this day and age, it is hard to separate the good from the bad. Everybody has a sad story to tell and in need of some assistance.

      There is no perfect solution or method to understanding who needs help and who doesn’t .

      When any person in our local congregation approaches me for financial assistance, I listen to their problems and then promise to do something for them through the local pastor.
      I then speak to the pastor and enquire if he is aware of the person’s situation.
      Regardless of what the pastor says, I usually help with whatever I can but I do so through the pastor.

      There are a few reasons for this method:
      (a) If the person is genuinely in some trouble, there is a high likelihood that he/she has told the pastor and sought to be remembered in prayer.
      (b) When I do this through the pastor, the person in need has to face him and if there is any deceit in them, then at some level small or great, it will prick their consience.

      In any case, my conscience is clear – I helped someone. Whether is it true or not, genuine or not, is between them and God.

      You said “Does all the control lie with the clergy and the laity cannot be part of any decision making?”

      May I ask you a slightly different question: if all decisions are being made with prayer, seeking guidance from God, then is there a reason for anyone else to be involved?
      The admin and his cohorts will tell you that the workers of TPM are unholy and that their guidance comes from the devil, etc, etc, etc.

      However, just as you or I would like to be given the benefit of doubt, keeping aside all the bad apples in the TPM barrel, ask the above question to yourself and let me know the answer.
      If God is steering the ship, do you think there is a place for you and me to tell him which direction to go?

      You said “Please understand, I’m not here for time pass or make fun of anyone.

      I must admit (and have admitted) that I do have some fun comment on some of the trashy comments by the anti-TPM brigade.
      There is no edifying value in their posts and comments.
      But, it does give insight into how some minds work.

      I value, admire, and recognize the true devotion of anyone towards God. I believe when someone embraces celibacy as a calling (from any church denomination), it is their way of life. I am not judging their calling or even their aspiration to go to Zion.

      Good for you and may God bless you for that attitude.

      As a TPM chief pastor once said, “I cannot enter the kingdom of heaven just because I go to TPM.”

      Each person must examine his/her own life in the light of the word of God and see where he/she stands, make changes according to that which the Lord has taught us and live a life that is worthy of the name “Christian”.

      You said “All I want from guys like you, who are well educated, is some clarity and consistency on the doctrines of TPM.

      You are too kind with your words.

      As I said in the beginning, the only place to find 100% infallible consistency is in the Holy Bible.

      The Christ himself said in Matthew chapter 24 verse 35: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”

      Please note that ALL OF THE ABOVE, except for scripture verses, are my own personal comments.
      I DO NOT represent TPM in any capacity.
      I have a younger brother who is in the ministry, but I haven’t spoken to him in over a year.
      My comments are based on understanding how the organization works through my close relationships with the servants of God.

      I was raised to ask questions and speak truth to power.
      I have never shied away from speaking out and never will.

      However, I was also taught to respect people and listen to their views and opinions just as I expect mine to be heard and respected.

      The admin and his friends cannot argue with me, so they stick to calling me names like “diehard”, “brain washed” and “bhakt”.

      They keep quoting scriptures and challenging the rest of us – and I have always admitted that my knowledge of the scriptures is not as good as his.

      I too respect people who question the status quo, but I believe in maintaining a certain decorum in all debates.

      When the level of debate stoops to name calling and mockery, then the persons involved lose all credibility.

      To add to his, hiding behind names is what cowards do.

      This does not end here.

      I’m sure admin or No More A Slave To Fear or Redeemed or Eagle’s Eye or Dominic or one of them using a different name will come up with some sort of response to all the above.

      Going by the trend, it will be amusing and inspire me to write some more.

      But, for you, my friend, as you have chosen to call yourself “leadusintolight”, may the good Lord lead you into his light.

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    1. Yeah, bro!

      NAILED IT!

      Just added one more LIKE to your comment, so that our friend EAGLE’S EYE can add it to his statistical count.

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      1. Dear Vik,
        Earlier you had mentioned that you are basically having some fun with this site. Now you have graduated to taking potshots at people like Eagle’s Eye who is a thorough gentleman. If you could not appreciate someone, please refrain from such comments which are not for any good. I would not be able to approve your comments with such an attitude. Get healthy. Your trolling is a bad advertisement for your TPM.

        We are only looking at serious people who are serious about their spirituality. We are not here to be a Disney land for people like you.

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  11. Hi,
    It is almost a year since I left TPM. Today a sister from fake home which I left called me and threatened me to attend their meetings and take communion. Actually my daughter had a fall in skating class and had fracture in hand. This happened on Sunday evening. So she got all these information from my family member who is still attending this cult. According to her sports are demonic and this happened as a warning for me to return to TPM . So she used this incident to create fear in me. Also she told me to mourn on Good Friday. I told her that Jesus is living and I will not mourn unnecessary. I even avoided prayers for my daughter. I told her that i need no mediator between God and me. Jesus is the only mediator and I clearly explained that celebrating Easter and mourning on friday is totally waste and she was duped. But she was asking me to come to Irumbuliyur and talk to big sister Alice. I told her if you want me to talk please come to my house ! And funny part is she kept boasting about TPM messages on resurrection day (Easter Sunday). I told her that i hear directlty from Jesus . She told that she will come to my house to make me to return to TPM . Please pray for her (Sis. Chithra) and sis Alice(IBR Pastor kitchen Incharge). They are leading a group of training sisters. So if they are saved many training sisters will come to know the truth through them.

    Rating: 5
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  12. Hi
    14 And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people, and they washed their clothes. 15 And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives. Exodus 10:14-15

    4 And the priest answered David, and said, There is no common bread under mine hand, but there is hallowed bread; if the young men have kept themselves at least from women. 1 Samuel 21:4
    TPM follows wier rules in communion service. These verses were quoted by Wesley Peter in Irumbuliyur center. This sermon created lot of queries in my mind though i was in TPM at that time. TPM sermons are spoiling the blessings given by Jesus in marriage.
    Please find the entire article at
    https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2018/02/05/the-third-person-in-the-marriage-tpm-clergy/

    Also watch the below link

    and also this one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watchv=JVzLrltnTfw&list=PLOW2MfOIuVcXT96pv85ByM4WUA1EvZba

    Rating: 5
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    1. Jesus bless you sister Surya, especially for highlighting the importance of family/marital relationship. In one of your recent comments you mentioned “Bonding desired by Jesus is between husband and wife and their kids.” Relating to that, I have posted a link below which is an in-depth scriptural counseling on marital relationship by Bro Umashankar.

      People who leave TPM, especially young and middle aged couples, will be blessed very much if they listen to this – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNqIb_xWKck

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