Reflections of Life in TPM – 11

Episode – 11 – The Wedding

Recap: In the last episode we had a glimpse of how the TPM Clergy comes to be served and venerated, at the cottage meeting. The other believers were considered lower by the Daisy Family, not deserving of the special meal. We also saw how gentile mentality has guided the parents of Daisy to conduct the cottage meeting in their home. They are very worldly minded indeed.

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Daisy’s cousin Vanessa is getting married. They live 250 miles away from Daisy’s place. Daisy and family are on the way to Vanessa’s home. As their car is cruising through the highway…

Daisy’s mom: I have changed my mind.

Daisy’s father: Does the new one work?

Daisy’s mom (ignoring husbands comment): Pastor said that anyone attending the marriage of TPM believer with other church Christian is a punishable crime. He will not be given communion for six months.

Daisy’s father (to Daisy’s mom): Say it now then! We can stop the car and you can turn back.

Daisy’s mom: Turn back and what? Become a pillar of salt, so that you can walk to your freedom? I am not Lot’s wife to make stupid mistakes.

Daisy’s father: Then what will you do? Lie to our saints that it was TPM and TPM marriage?

Daisy’s mom: Yeah, I will lie, but after you! The pastor will first ask you. Don’t you remember Sapphira followed Ananias? I will be with you till our last breath. We will live together and die together!

Daisy’s father: Listen, dear children. You mom’s dangerous plans. She wants to chew my head even after my death.

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Everyone starts laughing. After a few hours of driving, they reach Vanessa’s home. Families reunited after a long time. They spend time together and take rest to be ready for the next day. They also have a lot of work to be done, today. Vanessa’s mom and Daisy’s family are going to Faith home to meet the servants of God. They will finalize wedding arrangements. As they enter the faith home, they see a painter painting bible verses on the front wall of the faith home. He sees Vanessa’s family and greets them with the standard “Praise the Lord“.

Joseph (to the painter): You said: “Praise the Lord“? Are you a T.P.M. believer?

Painter: We are all (pointing fingers to rest of the painters)! We came from Dhariwal centre.

Joseph (to the painter): You came from so far to south India to do the painting?

Painter: Only because the Pastor insisted! He has served in our area. He said painters in this town are asking for too much money to come here and do some work for God. Therefore, we had to come.

Daisy: Isn’t it expensive for you? Leaving your business and clients at your place and travelling so long?

Painter: Yeah it is! What can we do? The pastor has not yet given us money also. He says to buy paints from our own pocket money. He will give money when he will return from the convention. Last time in a Kottarakkara branch Faith home that Pastor gave only half the money and made us sign the vouchers for the complete amount. I had a similar incident even in Kolkata. Since then we are quite apprehensive about working for TPM.

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Joseph is getting quite upset at the exploitation of the poor by the TPM Saints. He remembers that it is unjust to not pay the daily labourers and trick them to sign wrong vouchers.

14 Thou shalt not oppress a hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates:15 At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the Lord, and it be sin unto thee. Deut 24:14-15

While the children (Daisy and Joseph) are talking with the painter believers, Daisy’s parents and Vanessa’s mom went into the Pastor’s room. They started discussing wedding arrangements. After a few minutes, they see an invitation card flying out of the pastor’s room. They run to see what happened. Vanessa’s mom came out and picked up the wedding invitation card. Daisy’s parents also came out of the Pastor’s chamber.

Joseph: What happened aunty?

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Reflections of Life in TPM - 11Vanessa’s mom stays silent. Joseph can read pain in her eyes. She controls her tears and walks away towards the car.

Daisy’s mom: Come children! We must go.

Joseph: What happened, mom?

Daisy’s mom: Pastor is angry. He threw the invitation card. He doesn’t want any pictures of flowers on the wedding invitation card.

Joseph (loudly): But then why do they decorate flowers on coffin box of Chief Pastors? Why don’t the Pastor throw the coffin box of the chief Pastor?

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Joseph shouts loudly as he wanted the pastor to hear.
Daisy covers his mouth with a hand and rebukes him. Daisy’s mom beats him on his back for shouting. They drag him to the car with them.

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They all take their seats and the car leaves the faith home. Daisy’s father suggests to Vanessa’s mom to get 25 invitation cards, specially printed for the faith homes. Rest of the cards can be distributed to the relatives without the pastor’s information. Vanessa’s mom couldn’t control her emotions anymore and she begins to cry. She begins to pour out her heart. She says that as the groom is from an Independent Church, Pastor said he won’t solemnize marriage unless the groom is baptized in TPM. Groom’s parents were not ready. Marriage was on verge of breaking, but the groom succumbed. He took baptism in TPM.

Then sisters came for shopping for the bride’s clothes and also for Appachen and Ammachi. They said Vanessa’s mom to give new clothes to the servants of God in the faith home. They said all of you will wear new clothes and what about saints? Therefore, they took new clothes for the saints. Elder sister Suvarna also said Vanessa’s parents should invite saints from local faith homes and give each saint minimum ₹ 500 to sisters and ₹ 1000 to brothers, apart from ₹10000 to Pastor and ₹4000 to Ammachi. When Vanessa’s mother said this will increase marriage budget beyond their expectations, sister Suvarna argued saying it was the duty of Vanessa’s parents to give saints attending the marriage,  at least the commutation fare. And after all this, The Pastor has now thrown their invitation and is threatening to boycott marriage at the last minute. The Pastor has instructed the Groom through Vanessa’s mom, that he need to strictly adhere to the White dress rule. Daisy’s mom is trying to comfort Vanessa’s mom. The situation inside the car is gloomy.

Joseph: Aunty! Look …. look (He is showing them billboard on road. It is a Raymond advertisement). I want the same suit for the wedding.

Daisy: Why? Are you getting married?

Daisy mom: Suits are not allowed in TPM. Even the bridegroom is forbidden to wear a suit in his own marriage!

Joseph: Why do then Chief Pastors wear black suits during foreign trips?

Vanessa’s mom: Joseph, I will get you the suit you wanted. These TPM pastors get all their desires fulfilled. They will decorate themselves with suits and boots. They will decorate their coffins with flowers. But when we want to do something, they will stop us. I have decided it’s enough with TPM. I will not let my children’s desires go unfulfilled.

Daisy mom: Ok .ok..! Let us not make decisions in a hurry.

Vanessa’s mom: Enough is enough! They behave rudely because we don’t say anything! We quietly listen and they misuse our silence. I will buy everything Joseph my children want! And dare they say a word, we will get our daughter married somewhere else.

Daisy father: You are right Veronica (Vanessa’s mom)! They think we are dependent on them and therefore they try to suppress us. Show them their place and all their arrogance will go away.

Daisy mom: Announcements are all made, and we have not even a week left. It will be difficult to make alternate arrangements so soon. So please calm down all of you.

Vanessa’s mom: What calm down Dorothy (Daisy’s mom)? Do you even know what Sister Ida told Vanessa?

Daisy mom: What did she say?

Vanessa’s mom: She said to Vanessa “Don’t get married. Come to ministry. You have a calling for Zion. And if you will marry then your children will die or your husband will divorce you. You will never have peace in your marriage.

Daisy mom: Oh my God!

Vanessa’s mom: That is why I said, I am fed up with this marriage in TPM. They will try to make our marriages as bad as they can. Not one marriage in TPM happens without any issue. I am sure they will create problems on marriage day also.

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Veronica (Vanessa’s mom) begins to cry again. Dorothy (Daisy’s mom) puts her arm around her and tries to comfort her. Joseph also puts his arms around his aunt. The car reaches home. Daisy’s father drops children and aunt at home and he will go to order for new wedding cards with a TPM Pastor Choice. Two days later he takes the new invitation card and gives it to the faith home. Everything is ready and in place for the big day. On the wedding day, they get Vanessa dropped to faith home early so that Ammachi can prepare her. Marriage ceremony begins on time at the TPM church premises. The Bride and the groom are wearing all white clothes. By the dress, the Groom could be mistaken as a chauffeur of a five-star hotel Car. Joseph feels thirsty and he walks around faith home in search on water. Passing by he sees a junior worker brother from a window locked in his room.

Joseph: Come to the wedding? Why are you sitting here all alone here?

Worker brother: I will be joining the ministry. The pastor said I cannot see or attend the wedding.

Joseph: Why?

Worker brother: It is TPM rule. Those who are going to join the ministry should not attend any marriage ceremony; otherwise, they will feel tempted to get married.

Joseph: But Jesus took all his disciples to the wedding of Cana. He never prohibited his disciples from participating in marriages!!

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Reflections of Life in TPM - 11The worker brother has a blank confusing look on his face. Joseph shakes his head in dismay and returns to the marriage hall. The Sermon begins and In the long sermon, he could not avoid noticing the disdain, the pastor has for the marriage. The pastor has finished his sermon and he asks the bride and bridegroom to repeat the Vow after him. After the final blessings, Ammachi gave both the bride and the groom, a cup to drink from.

Joseph (to Daisy): What is that for?

Daisy: Its cup of milk, stupid! It is white in colour. A sign of purity! Everything in TPM is white. They marry in white. They drink white. It is all about white holiness.

Joseph: Did Jesus turn water into milk at the wedding of Cana? Jesus gave all the red drink. He started his ministry by the miracle of wine and ended by giving wine, and it was red. Even the blood he shed for our forgiveness was red. It was all red. Red versus White!!

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Daisy knows it is her headache to handle the wit of Joseph. She moves away from him and joins her mother and Vanessa’s mom. The marriage ceremony is finally complete.  The worker sisters’ faces displaying the cocktail of regret and envy. They are praying on food and the pastor is given the first plate. Joseph remembers that when Jesus gave food to his disciples, he first gave to the 5000 people instead of himself eating first. He waited till last, at the wedding of Cana. Similarly, even in the last supper, Jesus gave to the disciples first. Why do then TPM saints eat the very first meal before serving others? He hopes that someday a saint will answer his question.

He could see the centre Appachen sitting in a special chair after the meal. He has a smirk of satisfaction for having made Vanessa’s parents and the Groom’s Family dance to his tunes.

(NB: The above are inspired by real-life experiences of TPM marriages. TPM Fanatics are advised to get their children married before commenting).

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79 Comments on “Reflections of Life in TPM – 11”

  1. I thank God that we were not married in TPM .So many issues in TPM marriage that i never knew :(.
    Thank you Jesus for delivering us ! Let us pray for innocent souls who are still trapped in this cult.

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  2. Absolutely agree to it. I can relate to the unpaid labors scene which was very humorous but sadly so true. I remember being part of grass/weed clearing group to prepare grounds for convention. The believers such as masons, plumbers, electricians etc are exploited the most as its construction/modification boom in TPM now with every clergy out to outdo his previous counterpart using free labour.
    All they will get after 8-10 hrs work will be two basic meals.
    Then is the wedding attire which is cleverly doctored to meet their whims. During our marriage I remember them making wife who is from a different denomination wear the brahma kumari’s uniform by force. Maybe the rich ones get a waiver on these…not sure…On the day of getting ready by a F/H sister my wife commented how rough she was with her making her hair.
    Grrrrrrr. I can’t believe I underwent all this that time blindly. If I had known any faint little truth, I would have never imagined participating in all these….Am truly grateful to savior for opening our eyes.
    One thing is very obvious… both the basic commandments (on which the whole bible hinges) which Christ commanded are non existent and can be never seen/experienced within this group.

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    1. @Redeemed,

      //On the day of getting ready by a F/H sister my wife commented how rough she was with her making her hair.//

      I can very well relate to this as my wife was subjected to the same agony. In order to save time and work for the FH sisters, my wife’s relatives did her hair for the wedding. As my wife was well aware of the TPM standard/requirement for wedding hairdo, she made sure she complied with it every bit. However, the FH sister who normally does this work for the bride, was very upset with my wife for not involving her in the hairdo, and insisted that the hair-work be redone by her. My helpless wife had to yield to the FH sister’s demand and get her hair redone. As her relatives had sprayed on her hair to hold it in place, my wife had to go through an intense physical and mental suffering to get her hair redone by the FH sister just to satisfy that sister’s ego (even though the hairdo didn’t look different from the earlier one).

      Fourteen years later God wonderfully liberated us from the clutches of this cult. Twenty five years later, we could truly experience the joy of a Christian wedding when our daughter got married outside this cult. I am very thankful to God for the liberty we experience in Him now! It is my earnest desire and prayer that the other precious ones who are bound in this cult may be liberated as well.

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  3. How much did GOD of ALL value a soul with HIS very OWN SON’s LIFE… How daringly are we devaluing the Precious souls …

    Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which HE(JESUS) bought with HIS OWN BLOOD.(ACTS 20:28)

    So called “Shepherds of Today”

    Ezekiel 34 :2-6

    “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to you shepherds of Israel who only take care of yourselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally. So they were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered they became food for all the wild animals. My sheep wandered over all the mountains and on every high hill. They were scattered over the whole earth, and no one searched or looked for them.

    Our Eternal and Ever Loving Shepherd – Lord JESUS Christ

    John 10:11-18

    “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

    “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

    He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.( Isaiah 40:11)

    Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that GREAT SHEPHERD of the sheep

    When the CHIEF SHEPHERD appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.(1 Peter 5:4)

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  4. Beautiful depiction of what transpires behind the scenes in a typical TPM wedding. I remember the time when my sister was to get married. We waited for a long long time to find a groom in TPM but to no avail and finally we found a match from another Pentecostal church. I remember my father going to meet the great humble pastor Bobby who on hearing the news asked my father to get out and do what he wants. The TPM saint got so angry and shooed my father away. I was too young then to understand how controlling these maniacs were. It took another 34 years for God to open my eyes to understand the duplicity of these wolves in sheep clothing.

    Thank God for delivering me from this cult, at least my children will not be going through this madness.

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    1. Marriage is a big problem in TPM. Let me give you my analysis.

      First that Christian population is comparatively less in india (2.5% – 3%). Then the big chunk of it is Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Jacobite, Syrian etc. So protestants comprise only 1/3rd of it. Then among these protestants we have hundreds of denomination like baptist, Lutheran, Methodist and so on which usually don’t intermingle. Add to it ethnic differences (Tamil Malayalam Telugu North Indian South India, Marathi Punjabi, Assami, North eastern). Then we have to calculate how many of the remaining is of marriageable age , how many are male , female, what are their expectations. With so many complexities, finding right partner is nothing short of miracle.

      Add to above complexity the nonsense of TPM that we don’t allow TPM members to be married to other denomination. Further they try hard to suck the remaining of marriageable youth into their fraud ministry. There is no attempt from their side to help tpm members get married by having matrimonial website or something else. They will straightaway say no to such projects saying it is not our responsibility (ministry).

      And in spite of all this, if by miracle TPM believers happen to find a match then TPM white frauds will leave no stone unturned to hinder wedding ceremony by their stupid rules.

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    2. @NMSF,

      Your comment has opened up some old wounds in my case! Pastor Bobby officiated our wedding and the stress my wife and I went through at that time with his list of do’s and don’ts still haunts us to this day. Some of them are so silly and carnally devised (without any scriptural basis), only to project their mission as unique and holy…show of sheer pride.

      Our wedding was in the FH and the reception in a hotel close by to the FH. Pastor Bobby refused our request for a Toast (speech by some one at the reception to introduce the bride and the groom’s families to the wedding guests) and a Thank You Speech by the groom (by me), citing that they don’t allow worldly practices in the marriages conducted by them. I still don’t understand how expressing thanks to the guests who have come to bless the newly weds amidst their busy schedules could be considered wrong or worldly. I could not thank the numerous guests who had honoured us by attending the wedding (including the general manager and senior managers/engineers from my company) and felt humiliated.

      We had our engagement a few months before our wedding. Pastor Booby forcibly made my wife and me to sit on mats (floor) at our engagement function, while he and the other workers and the guests were seated on chairs. Seeing our sorry plight, some guests left the chairs to come and sit down with us on mats (floor). The so called servants of God take such sadistic pleasure in humiliating their laity at every opportunity. The bible warns of these false prophets as ferocious wolves (Matthew 7:15 NIV), who will enjoy all the good things from the sheep, but still rule them harshly and brutally (Ezekiel 34:3-4 NIV).

      Thank God we have a Good Shepherd and are no longer controlled by hirelings.

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      1. I have attended a few TPM weddings in the West and there are no such rules. Toast is raised, suits are worn both by the clergy and the laity, videos and non TPM music played.

        These chameleons are servants of Mammon and they will change their colour as per the colour of the Currency. Unfortunately we have to take the blame for putting them on a pedestal, making them almost equivalent to God.

        One thing is for certain, these liars and false shepherds have and will get what they deserve – a very close position to their master in hell.

        Hope the young ones at least who visit this site will run for their lives. The old ones are too worried about their funeral.

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        1. Yes brother, the standards are entirely different in the west. The believers are even allowed to wear wedding rings (after the marriage ceremony in the church). Divine healing is never stressed like in India. I have noticed firsthand several stark differences between the east and the west. The only common element between the east and the west is the ‘hypocrisy’ of the clergy and the laity.

          In Canada and the US they have their own weird rules for the laity and one of them is that the believer sisters are not allowed to wear salwar kameez or churidar suits. When we moved to Canada in 2001, my wife bought a lot of these dresses thinking that they will be more practical and convenient compared to sarees for the cold weather. The very first Sunday after the service, my wife was pulled aside by a senior believer sister and was advised that women of this church are not allowed to wear salwar kameez and churidar (both for church as well as outside in the society). These outfits are banned because the bottom wear looks similar to men’s pants we were told. She lovingly advised my wife to wear only full skirts in North America. Surprisingly, women are allowed to wear shirts (similar to what men wear), and this is what is commonly worn as tops by both clergy and the laity.

          My wife bought a couple of full skirts hurriedly the next day, one black and the other grey (these are the recommended colors in North America, not white!). The next Sunday after the service, the very same senior believer sister again called my wife and advised her to stitch the slits that were at the bottom of the skirts – skirts with slits are not allowed. The skirts were full length and had a slit provided at the very bottom to facilitate ease of walking (the skirts were not immodest by any standard). My wife was very confused and called another believer sister to check where she can get her skirt slits stitched. The other believer sister laughed and told my wife to hem (hand stitch) the skirt slits on Saturdays and have them removed on Sunday nights. This is what she and the other sisters do it seems – perfect hypocrisy!

          Both the clergy and the laity mock God with their many hypocrisies. Enough was enough for us, we left this cult within three months of moving to Canada.

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        2. Though this video is for another such spiritual Abuse cult, it perfectly explains the psyche. If any of the sisters are still confused with wearing Pants, you need to watch to this video.

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        3. Thats so true brother. The dress code our clergy is truly immersed in hypocrisy.
          In india the sisters will wear full full sleeved blouse for meetings. Immediately after the meeting they will be in half sleeves. They will go to markets in half sleeves. In the gulf they have three variants. Full sleeves with sari for meetings, Half sleeves with sari for F/H, Full sleeved white shirts with grey/brown/blue ankle length pinafores when on house visits. Men would be in white shirts and black/blue pants. But every body is mandated to be in white for meetings & conventions..
          I can imagine the burden of maintaining a white pair of clothes by poor believers who have no access to proper laundry facilities/running water..The clergy gets every thing washed, starched, crisp ironed, folded and ready to wear…
          The video shared by Admin is very eye opening….God truly is burdened to see the intent of our hearts and is least bothered by what we wear.
          I remember a quote by Bro. Zac in a Q&A session , where is said that “Before selecting a dress (Men or women) if we have any hidden intent behind picking that dress so as to impress/get attention/attract etc…then drop it.

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        4. Sorry Bro. Nath, i have unliked ur comment by mistake.

          Thank you for sharing your experience with us, It will definitely help the younger ones to run out of this haughty organisation with ridiculous rules. There should be an end for this nuisance.

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    3. Brother ABAS,
      I can’t even imagine such humiliation by the so called consecrated servants of GOD. Why nobody is opposing these man made superficial demeanor. A well educated like you could not stand against these frauds, then what will be pathetic condition of others?

      Only GOD chosen one understand their heretics. Thank GOD for bringing you and your family out of this cult. I hope one day I will be able to read your testimony also in this site. GOD has a marvelous plan to bring many out of this cult, through this site.

      2 Corinthians 4:5, For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. (NIV)

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      1. When someone is trapped in a cult it is very difficult (almost impossible) for them to come out of that system irrespective of their education level. Only God should have mercy on such a person to deliver him/her from the bondage of such dark powers.

        To be honest, I did not even think that the TPM workers were harassing or humiliating me at that time. I sincerely believed that whatever they did to me was only for my good/edification. Such is the power of a cult over its members! After our engagement function, one of my wife’s cousins (a CSI Christian) was very upset with me for quietly putting up with such nonsense of pastor Bobby. He was furious that a man who did not even enter college (Bobby) was humiliating an engineer, and that too at his own engagement function. I was only defending pastor Bobby at that time reminding my wife’s cousin about the importance of submitting to the leaders/authority (Hebrews 13:17) to be perfected. Yes, my mind was completely corrupt with their indoctrination, especially their cherry picking of the bible verses to suit their convenience. Only when someone reads the whole chapter of Hebrews 13 will they understand the context and the meaning of verse 17. TPM members seldom read the whole bible verse/chapters to understand the real meaning with respect to the context and situation.

        As most of the ex-TPM’s, I used to defend this organization vehemently at one point with the corrupt doctrine I was fed with and the half baked scripture knowledge I possessed. It was only after I started reading the bible without the TPM lens did I realize that these doctrines were not scriptural.

        As you rightly pointed out, only God’s chosen ones will understand the TPM heretics. We can only pray for the deliverance of those bound in cults such as TPM, besides taking the message of truth to such people through sites such as this. The rest is for God to do the impossible.

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        1. @ABAS

          You are absolutely true brother. When I got away from this cult I was sending so many links from this site in TPM whats up group . But not even a single soul was able to understand. I was like a mad person sending messages and testimony. They called me back slider and removed from TPM group. Only one new comer to TPM heard me and came out. TPM diehards never listened to me. Simply they hurted me. So finally I blocked many of them due to constant arguments which was no use. The sunday school headmaster from the fake home almost argued with me 5 hours and though I gave so much verses to him he never accepted. So only we can pray to Jesus for their eyes to be opened.

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  5. I have been following this site and warning my friends about the errors of TPM. I am surprised about all these incidents. But still, after all these tortures, they stick on with this TPM. They Love the darkness and not the freedom.

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  6. Ahh Marriage…. i can write pages abt the atrocities of believers so lets forget the clergies this time .

    Marriage brings out the true colors of the believers so lets see .. in TN christianity has a major chunk of lower caste people also now backward caste called chaanar or nadar , though the lower caste believers are higher in No’s .. the chanans are the dominant in every church ,organisation , politics , business , missionary you name it .. ! ( shiv nadar , dgs dinakaran , most preachers in TN are chanans)

    So these once lower class chanans became financially well and sound thr their hard work became controlling authorities all over TN including the TPM .. if you see most zion bound workers and pastors are from chanar caste ( including pastor kanagaraj and his murderers) .

    All the other caste believers get along with each other and do intercaste marriage , but the chanan never marry outside their caste note : even the bride or groom from TPM . so these chanan /nadar treat the other believers like S****

    Now come to the snakes from KL , i like them when it comes to marriage
    As long as the proposal is from kerala theyre ok no big deal . But if the proposal is from other state people they just treat them lik S*** … atleast theyre united among themselves .

    In both states there is so much financial issues , ugly looking people , poverty , poor hygiene , Family issues .. then why so much pride ?.?

    I would say the tpm believers re deserve to be decieved and slaved rest of their life. Especially the tamils and malyalis ..

    Telugu believers are the decent ones so far .. !

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      1. @ Br Johnson

        Repent for what .. ? Just zero in which one..? for exposing the christians

        let me know which part you didnt like or talked abt you.. ? Ready to add more spice and will taste better , so you are here to read only abt tpm .?
        Not abt you ..?

        Do u not repent everyday ..? I do .

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        1. As a neutral person, I see that you have some sort of axe to grind when you call a community of having Maveli Spirit and then Calling them Snakes. Is not it quite obvious? Should not you repent for that?

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      1. Exactly . ..as you do in your churches very secretly ,cleverly within your groups . I ve done that before ..

        but see brother i m not telugu either .

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    1. Galatians 3:26-29
      26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

      It is obvious from all the material on this site that the above verses does not apply to TPM because it is not Christian. Having said that, some of our comments also expose our true identity.

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    2. Even here in Andhra most of the believers dont marry outside their caste, especially those who belong to upper caste , on the other hand both believers and white clad ministers of lower castes MAALA and MADIGA also dont mingle with each other, surprisingly the zion bound people even have that caste in their minds.

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  7. Are we slightly getting off the track from the motive of this website ?

    From About page ///” The Purpose of this site https://fromtpm.com is to bring out the devious teachings of this denomination. We also aim to bring out practices which are alien to the Church of God. Our Mission is to expose the devious techniques that are used by TPM to bring people into bondage. “///

    I believe any comments which is not falling in line with this “goal” should be strictly moderated lest it will lead to an unhealthy war of words..
    “…every city or house divided against itself shall not stand…”

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    1. @ILoveJesus
      at any point, anybody can comment. We are not stopping any comments unless it has abusive words . The comments of Hannibal is his own and he needs to own up.

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    2. Hi you love jesus .?

      This article details the struggle of getting married as a tpm believer .

      My comment exposes a born again christians’struggle of getting married to another Born again christian in the south esp in TN ..

      It is very sad no one wants to hear that .. Oh you find faults only on tpm clergies.. ? Not the believers .. ? The believers are Very holy ..?

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      1. Dear Hannibal,
        It is for a reason that we often associate marriages by the term “Match Making” etc. The reason is that we all are products of our upbringing. When we look for a prospective match, we look for many factors including, looks, education, upbringing, society, wealth, strata, skills, viewpoints, political affiliation and many more. Therefore, it is natural that we find it easy and convenient to find partners who belong to our community. I do not find any issue with that. If we are not able to find that kind of match we expect, we try to increase the scope of our search by diluting one or few of those parameters. Such a choice is entirely that of an individual. They dilute the ones that they think are lower down their priority. There are exceptions to many of those rules as well.
        Therefore a Tamilian looking for the ones in their own caste and a Malayalee looking for the ones of their own language is a choice of their own. We are nobody to get that changed.


        On a personal note, I have no issues with you airing your opinion. However, calling an entire community people as Snakes etc could have been avoided for better reciprocity of your comment.

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        1. @ Admin

          brother sorry if it has offended you or anyone

          I ve very good muslims and hindu friends from kerala they re even better than me .

          My relatives are from Kerala, mission workers are frm kerala ..
          random gems are there everywhere in every race , so lets soften the snakes to toothless snakes , shrewd or cunning .Hope it helps . ..?!

          ( i feel those who have a clear conscience wouldn’t bother much and they knw themselves) .

          Also please check who is causing , creating ruckus mostly in tpm .?. Or something is someone’s handy work.?? and their background.

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  8. (Not to be published)

    So Hannibal has finally revealed whats’ the ‘Maveli spirit is!’
    But overall his total immaturity level was cleverly exposed by this site in a way that he should mend his ways. Just because ADMIN has given him unlimited space in this site, he should not misuse it.
    I feel Johnson’s mild reprimanding should open his eyes of understanding
    and it is time that he should learn how this blessed site has been tackling the
    critical issues right from the beginning of the early days with the patient answering from ADMIN. It was amazing to see 347 comments on one EPISODE itself.Probably Hannibal never participated in those comments .He should mind his own business than to touch issues relating to caste,creed ,language ,race etc,etc. He is bringing down the quality of high standard for which this site is known for. That was reason why Vik G has been making that statement abt these substandard psychology of the people like………….

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    1. Before clicking post comment, lets quickly pre-check and justify our self if what we state is always as per Col 4:6 – Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt…..

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    2. @Eagles eye

      Hi Sir /uncle ,

      ###########

      Sir for you these are qualities and high standards for me these are rubbish now and never gonna save me .

      Are we not divided with the above things..?
      Are we not suppose to be united in his body without these things..? Or just leave it and let it rot . These are everyday issues in the church , believers cannot get along with each other i see this every other church.

      When i noticed these things in tpm i was shocked becos these guys claim they are the best and the chosen one , has a oneway business class to zion but the characters like any other denominations ..so whats the point our hearts are not changed..?

      So Been there Done that . ..!

      Should i say now “You should mind your own business and let God deal with tpm and its believers.?.

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  9. Thanks admin for posting the comment , Awaited for the backlash.

    Truth Hurts brothers .. so all these days you are very happy to come read and comment abt tpm , when there is something abt you guys not able to digest ..?

    Is anyone out thr deny what i said …? So you all judging me what i commented , i am judging all those people with my first hand experience . I m not a LIAR .

    Even i was a racist and never liked or showed real love to other statemen ..
    So God hit me hard , learned my lesson and i never claim i belong to some race . Just want to identify as a Believer . My allegiance is only with Jesus not any group.

    1) to the Tamils will u goahead and marry someone from a lowercaste..?

    2) to the malyalis are u ready to marry someone from non-malyali background.?

    3) Can u both get along truly in life , in marriages .. ? not just bday parties or some functions with the fake praise the lords..

    Just ask yourself … are we not divided ..? Its not only in tpm every ‘pente church ‘
    has same problem .. just because of caste a good pastor friend of mine unable to get married . Countless incidents cannot write everything down here .. especially the marriage brings out the True color of the Believer .

    We indians are the most racist people in the world .

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    1. // just because of caste a good pastor friend of mine unable to get married.

      I think your logic fails here unless that pastor is the only person in his caste in the whole geography. Why are you demanding that the Pastor HAS TO MARRY somebody outside his caste?

      Can you please explain?

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      1. Brother ,

        I never mentioned he WANT to marry outside his caste ..

        I thnk you dont know the ground reality , In the south except kerala , you cannot erase your caste identity even after your conversion .

        #Pastor friend never bothered abt the caste as long as the bride is a bornagain anointed and willing to do fulltime ministry . Unfortunately his community members are in scarce .. Some other pastor friends trying to fix the marriage but some of them didnt go well becos of his caste identity .

        I didnt mention that he want to marry someone from outside his caste .
        I said that as an example how caste plays an important role down south .

        Thanks.

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        1. If the intention is to get married, then he and his friends should get searching based on the caste itself. You will have to adjust to realities in Life. Though technically marriage is between a man and a woman, there are many other factors that come into play when you are marrying. In India, it is not only a joining between a man and a woman but also between two extended families. Therefore, we will have to play by such unwritten social rules.


          There is a wrong notion among Christians that when you become a Christian, the Caste and regional barriers gets dissolved. But in reality, it is not so. Even Jesus could not make any such changes within his apostles. This is evident from their comment when they visited Samaria. We can see that in Luke 9:53-54.

          What really changed is God’s dealing with Mankind. Earlier God used to have a special relationship with the Jewish people. This is because he had to preserve the people from going corrupt knowing that Messiah has to come from these people. But after the death and resurrection of Jesus, we see this barrier between the Jew and Gentile Broken concerning his dealing with them (Eph 2:14). That does not mean that the Jews will start marrying with the gentiles immediately. Barring some exceptions, it’s not happening till now. What we see is a complex derivative of Boundaries set by God himself as we see in Acts 17:26 and Deut 32:8.

          Though the Bible condemns Partiality and favouritism, It does not condemn divisions between people in groups especially racial or ethnic.

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        2. Dear Admin,

          //Even Jesus could not make any such changes within his apostles. This is evident from their comment when they visited Samaria. We can see that in Luke 9:53-54 //

          What do you mean by above statement ??

          Are you trying to say that Jesus accepted apostles with their mindset of looking Samaritans with ethnic mindset??

          Dont you know the following verse “Luke 9 : 55 – But Jesus turned and “REBUKED” them.”

          Jesus not only broke the differences He has brought to show the world His Great salvation coming through Jews to all Gentiles but also the difference shown in status/position, or even gender

          There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.(Galatians 3:28)

          *****Are you identifying with unwritten social rules in other words rules written by the devil to divide the people) – {one such example Hindu caste system is based on sanathana dharmam – Brahman (Their God – Our Devil)} ****

          Shame on you to hear you say this…It is disgusting to see you nullifying the Truth of GOD… you have spoken not in line with Truth

          Galatians 2:11-14
          When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
          When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

          Dont you know that we have been saved from the World and are not suppose to follow the pattern of this World??

          Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.(Romans 12:2)

          Are you denying the very Truth in Christ which says we are NEW CREATION (Old things all passed away) in CHRIST?

          2 Corinthians 6:14-18
          Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial ? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

          “I will live with them
          and walk among them,
          and I will be their God,
          and they will be my people.” c
          Therefore,
          “Come out from them
          and be separate,
          says the Lord.
          Touch no unclean thing,
          and I will receive you.” d
          And,
          “I will be a Father to you,
          and you will be my sons and daughters,
          says the Lord Almighty.”

          So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.

          That, however, is not the way of life you learned when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.(Ephe 4:17-24)

          Acts 17 chapter is not talking about their boundaries and times so that they might come to KNOW ONE TRUE GOD OF ALL WHO SHOWS NO PARTIALITY OR FAVORITISM…

          We all have A ONE FATHER ,ONE SON ,ONE SPIRIT,ONE FAITH…

          THIS IS GOD’S(MY FATHER IN HEAVEN’S) FAMILY I KNOW AND BELIEVE…

          MY FATHER IN HEAVEN DOES NOT EVEN SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS SON – THE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE HOLY ONE,THE RIGHTEOUS ONE,THE TRUTH,ETC… AND THE LOWLY SINNER,FILTHY ,CROOKED BETRAYERS(like us)…

          But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God(John 1:12)

          Then the world will know that you sent me and have LOVED THEM EVEN AS YOU HAVE LOVED ME (John 17:23)

          I Charge you in the Name of our Lord Jesus to repent and obey the Truth of GOD…

          May God alone be Glorified, For He Alone is Worthy to be praised…Amen

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        3. Dear Cognizance,
          Do you even know what do you mean by the term “CONTEXT“?
          Please read the material as per the context, rather than jumping the gun. I thought you were a sensible person.
          The context is about marriage and dealings between people of different groups. It is not about God’s dealing with different groups of people. When it comes to Gospel or anything that relates to God’s message or blessings, it is universal without any barriers. However, people have their own ideas and opinions about groups of people. God does not condemn that. If a Jew wants to Marry only a Jewess, God will not condemn that person. He will not force that person to marry a Gentile. Narrow-minded people are the cause of such views.

          In the original context, Hannibal objected to Malayalees insisting on marrying only Malayalees. I do not agree to him factually because I myself know many Malayalees marrying non-Malayalees. But at the same time, I refuse to condemn a Malayalee insisting on marrying a Malayalee. Even the Scripture does not condemn him. God does not interfere with a personal choice of anybody. The Bible exhorts us not to be unequally yoked. This speaks about an exhortation to marry among believers. However, this context is not about that. It’s about a linguistic/ethnic/geographical preference by some.


          As far as the Samaritan case is concerned, you are again erring as a blind hammer. Jesus rebuked the disciples for thinking that they can bring in a fire on the Samaritans just like how Elijah did.It was their vengeful spirit that Jesus rebuked. In this particular case, They knew that the Samaritans rejected Jesus only because of Jesus’s Jewish lineage. Had Jesus been a Samaritan, they would have accepted him. All these things were caused by God himself. So we can see that the barrier between Samaritans and Jews continues to Remain. However, Jesus is God and therefore, did not condemn their(Samaritans’) rejection and at the same time did not force the barrier between the Jews and the Samaritans to be dissolved. The biggest proof that Jesus recognized the boundaries of Nation is when he said that He was sent ONLY to the Lost Sheep of Israel(Matt 15:24) , He had to be rejected by the Jews inorder to make the Gospel get out of the boundaries of the Jewish Nation.


          I hope you understand what I meant. Linguistic and ethnic barriers are destroyed only for the purpose of God’s dealing with mankind. However, those barriers are still in force between people for non-Spiritual reasons and I do not condemn that.

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        4. @ Cognizance
          To explain to you how you are straying and misapplying the context, let me quote one verse which you have quoted yourself.
          There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)
          The Context of the verse is in the last 3 words…IN CHRIST JESUS. Now does this apply the same way when we remove the context? Of course NO.
          For eg change the context to Marriage…Will you say that There is Neither Male Nor Female in MARRIAGE? Will you try to convince a Male that he can also marry a Male as both Male and Female are same?

          Now Change the context to the Military. Will you go and Tell the Israeli Government that there is Neither Jew nor A Saudi in MILITARY? Will you convince them that a Jew is equal to a Saudi when it comes to the Israeli Military?

          I hope you understood the futility of your position of applying the scripture wrongly and universally when the context is the king.

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        5. Dear Cognizance, you are following an erroneous gospel and that is pulling you to blind fanaticism. As far a the context is concerned, I am the one who said it and the context is clear. How come you are hijacking the context set by me? The Writer(me, in this case) is the one who sets the context. You have no power to change the context.

          What do you mean by 1 Cor 7:20-21? Just because somebody is saved, it does not mean that his relationship with other humans changes. A slave remains a slave until he is set free even though he is saved. Do you know that Philemon was a Christian and he had slaves? One of that was Onesimus. Can you point out one scripture where Paul condemns Philemon for keeping slaves? According to you, I guess Philemon was not saved. Right? God has not removed the boundaries set by humans yet. Only his interaction remains boundless and his mercies are universal for all humans. I guess The boundaries of Race, Nation and Ethnicity will be dissolved in the second coming of Jesus.

          The caste system is a complex system which I personally abhor and in some cases, it is close to Slavery. This is a question of marriage and the Church has to take a neutral stand. However, there is a social setup in all countries and nations. Just like how Abraham sent Eliazar to find a bride for Isaac from his own people, this is followed even now. You know Laban and his folks were Idol Worshippers. Did God chastise Abraham for that?

          One day Abraham said to his oldest servant, the man in charge of his household, “Take an oath by putting your hand under my thigh. 3 Swear by the Lord, the God of heaven and earth, that you will not allow my son to marry one of these local Canaanite women. 4 Go instead to my homeland, to my relatives, and find a wife there for my son Isaac.Gen 24:2-4


          In the New Testament God sees all people as the same because his salvation is universal. However, that does not dissolve anything when comes to human relationships for non-spiritual matters.

          Assume a scenario where you have destroyed your passports and all travel documents and somehow managed to board the flight to Sydney from Chennai. Also, assume that the immigration officer is a devout Christian. Now tell him that there is no difference between an Indian and an Australian we all are one in Christ. Also, tell him that the earth and its fullness thereof is of the Lords. Therefore he should have no problem to let you in. Do you think he will let you in for all the LOVE OF CHRIST?


          Have some common sense. I am done. Not interested in any back and forth.

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        6. Dear Admin,

          I am asking the same question back to you

          Do you even know what do you mean by the term “CONTEXT“?

          You are preaching a Different GOD… and a Different Gospel

          //God does not condemn that. If a Jew wants to Marry only a Jewess, God will not condemn that person. He will not force that person to marry a Gentile. Narrow-minded people are the cause of such views.//

          Answer me honestly….

          WHERE DOES THE CASTE SYSTEM COME FROM???

          where do you get this message of calling a saved person with a CASTE …

          When GOD says that he will not see anyone different groups/caste in CHRIST JESUS but as HIS CHILDREN…

          How can someone Call him a “Jew” after he is saved… Do you know the meaning of being saved…

          How do you dare to find difference in CHRIST JESUS with earthly nature from which you have saved through HIS BODY and BLOOD

          Does he not become new creation **IN CHRIST**… Now he belongs to holy clan of GOD…

          when a (child)man was born of flesh he is identified with earthly nature (whether it be ethnicity or caste etc,..

          when the same man is born of GOD through Faith…he is a NEW CREATION (OLD things have all gone)

          If you call yourself a person belonging to particular caste … you have never been saved yet…You are still identifying with the same old nature…

          Because **IN CHRIST JESUS** there is neither a Jew or Gentile…

          //The biggest proof that Jesus recognized the boundaries of Nation is when he said that He was sent ONLY to the Lost Sheep of Israel(Matt 15:24)//

          I am taken aback by your interpretation… where did you get this revelation…

          He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”(Matt 15:24)

          What are you trying to say ..That GOD is acknowledging the Boundaries which has broken IN HIS SON’s BODY through HIS DEATH …since people like you are not willing accept or obey GOD’s Identity given freely through HIS SON…

          Whom are you vouching here for ???

          People – Who are rebellious,stiff necked to get rid of their earthly nature to see another human being through spiritual eyes — Whether the person is “IN CHRIST” OR NOT

          Bible calls us to see only one thing when it comes to MARRIAGE….

          WHETHER A PERSON IS A BELIEVER OR UNBELIEVER…

          //There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)

          For eg change the context to Marriage…Will you say that There is Neither Male Nor Female in MARRIAGE? Will you try to convince a Male that he can also marry a Male as both Male and Female are same?//

          The above interpretation proved

          // how you(ADMIN) are straying and misapplying the context, let me quote one verse which you have quoted yourself.//

          I seriously doubt your knowledge about “KNOWING CHRIST”

          How would you even ever imagining such a filthy thought “IN CHRIST”….

          I still stand by my saying …

          The above verse is pointing a “MAN’S STATUS IN CHRIST JESUS”

          It is breaking all the differences that a human mind comprehend…

          If a Man belonging to a particular caste shamelessly identifying with same caste even after saved…

          The Above verse tells to that Man and his rebellious , crooked mind that …If you are in Christ …there is no difference in any man you see and observe…

          If a Man is Proud of his gender and ill treating women …Then the above Verse tells him…In Christ Jesus there is no gender bias…

          FIRST LEARN TO SEE OTHER HUMAN ***IN CHRIST JESUS***

          THEN

          THINK ABOUT ENGAGING WITH THEM WHETHER IT BE MARRIAGE,JOB,NATIONALITY ETC,…

          I never Expected this kind of different Gospel from Admin….

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        7. Dear Readers…

          This is my final response…

          Since I thought Admin is spirituality discerned…I did not give any explanation on the verses i quote…unfortunately it was proven wrong…

          For the sake of the readers i record my final response

          Why did I post my first response and what was my intention to post??

          Answer: I saw Admin was misguiding people by saying “God do not consider a saved person being identified with Caste(Devil’s system)” …There is nothing wrong to look for caste while looking match for marriage…This triggered my zeal to respond as a Brother in Christ to correct him….Ofcourse …I still consider Admin as my Brother in Christ…I love him the same way even now as before his responses…If you could have read all my comments in this site…Never once I have sided with men …I always stand for Truth which has been handed down to me by His Awesome Grace…Even Now i stand for the Truth…For i know very well — Everymen(includes me and admin) is a liar,God alone is Truth(Rom 3:4)

          You would have noticed the word “CONTEXT” in most of the responses… Readers this where you have to be discerning the root of message drawn out of the context…

          Let us take the discussed subject and analyze

          Marriage – Caste

          Brother Hannibal said one of his pastor friends is not able marry because of prevalent caste system among Christianity…

          Admin has responded by saying “let him adjust to the realities that exists in the christian society” …It is not a crime for christian (when I say christian it means a person saved by Christ and ‘IN CHRIST’) to look at the below christian with the Devil’s lens which is Caste…

          Typically almost all the christians quote Abraham’s word as Admin has recorded in his final response…

          Jew and Gentile division was brought in by God

          And

          It was abolished by God himself ‘IN CHRIST JESUS’’

          That’s why Paul rebuked Peter when Peter was siding with his old nature(Jew) by saying “you have not behaved INLINE WITH THE TRUTH” (Gal 2:11-14)

          If God rebukes to treat(see) the fellow believers with lens(Law given by God) – Jew and Gentile…How would you be seen when you treated the fellow believer through the lens of Devil(Caste)

          On the contrary

          Caste Division is a division brought in my Devil’s vedic law

          Among Hindus – it is Sanathana dharman

          It is directly proclaiming the allegiance to Brahma – deity of Hindus…

          Readers …Kindly look at the disgusting ,filthy and detestable behaviours of so called christians shamelessly identifying with the devil’s system yet defending their act by calling me a “Fanatic” since because I point out their wickedness lying with their crooked heart…

          How can I keep my mouth shut when I see salvation of Christ has been devalued …??

          Why did I call Admin who is so elder to me shameless – because that is what I see…

          I don’t know why Admin has responded with knowing or without knowing about the Caste system…But his was a shame to his stature as a christian…

          Admin may defend himself with distorted and twisted understanding on this subject (social division among christian)

          But Admin standing before the TRUTH OF GOD ashamed by vouching for disobedient and rebellious act of christians…

          I spoke out of Love and God knows my heart…

          Admin has come up few illustrations(airport scenario and few others) which is really childish – i was really surprised and shocked to see him responding without understanding…

          How did God ask us to see fellow people “IN CHRIST”

          There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.(Gal 3:28)

          Readers …Kindly read the entire chapter it is talking about How and Why God brought the division and How he broke it in Christ…

          Galatians 3:29 says “ALL ARE ABRAHAM’S SEED IN CHRIST”

          Since because a Jew or Group of Jews or even the entire Jew community fail acknowledge me or you as Abraham’s seed will never nullify the Truth of GOD…

          But if I see a Saved Jew looking at a believer through the lens of Law…I will rebuke him with the TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL…

          God has taught how to live a life as Christ lives through Christ Jesus…

          When someone questioned whether we suppose to pay Tax…Jesus though knows the TRUTH THAT EARTH AND IT’S FULLNESS BELONGS TO HIS FATHER…Responded saying give ,what belongs to caeser…

          From the beginning i have been trying to EXPOSE the intention behind looking through the lens of caste system for marriage…

          How we see people is different from How we engage with them…

          I have been trying to draw your attention to core of how we see people and with what lens…

          Do i see people with the lens of the world/DEVIL…

          Do i see people with the lens of the Christ(IN CHRIST)…

          DONT YOU REALLY FIND IT SILLY,SENSELESS IF THE FOLLOWING QUESTION POPS UP IN YOUR CROOKED MIND…

          ACCORDING TO ABOVE VERSE “IN CHRIST” — A MAN IN GENDERLESS(NOT MALE OF FEMALE), JOBLESS(MASTER OR SLAVE)…NATIONLESS(JEW OR GENTILE)…

          TRUTH IS

          “IN CHRIST” – A MAN’S IDENTITY IS LOST… EVERY MEN IS MADE EQUAL BEFORE GOD…

          HAS GOD DONE THIS FOR US OR FOR HIMSELF…

          IF GOD SEES EVERY MAN EQUAL – HOW DARE WE TO SEE OTHER MEN DIFFERENT FROM US IN ANYWAY(CASTE,ETHNICITY,ETC,..)

          Yes…We are all different in our colour,in our language,clothing,food habits,etc,..But if I treat other human differently(low or high) just because he is different race then i am nullifying the TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL…

          God i worship is GOD OF ALL…WHO SHOWS NO PARTIALITY…

          And My FATHER IN HEAVEN wants me see my fellow brothers as HE SEE THEM AND TREAT THEM WITH NO DIFFERENCE…

          After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.And they cried out in a loud voice:

          “Salvation belongs to our God,
          who sits on the throne,
          and to the Lamb.”

          All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying:

          “Amen!

          Praise and glory

          and wisdom and thanks and honor

          and power and strength

          be to our God for ever and ever.

          Amen!” (Revelation 7:9-12)

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        8. Dear Cognizance,
          You serve a God who does not respect a person’s individuality but requires all to be CONFORMED to a set of rules. How is that God different from the God of TPM?
          My God respects my individuality and my choices especially when it comes to marriages, career, Place of stay, Opinion and many more. He is not made us as zombies coming out of a production line with no independent thinking. I am a strong believer of Unity in Diversity. My God does not condemn me for my opinion as you condemn me.

          This article sums up what I needed to say.
          http://www.destinoyearbook.com/2012/discipleship-ethnic-identity/

          God Bless you.

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    2. Preference by caste is detrimental to Christian faith just like any other thing that causes divisions among believers.

      I am a 32year old male and after having lived a life of sin in fornication and sex outside of marriage, I decided now that God has helped me straighten my path, let me find me a Godly wife to live out the rest of my life.

      I believe people will agree when I say that the Woman or the Man you are going to marry will define the rest of your life or for most it has been and is defining lives, as I have witnessed so far. Having understood the whole truth of the matter, I made my bio with ‘No preferences to caste, language, color, beauty, education, employment, social status, wealth’ in looking for the right Woman, contrary to how people have already decided in their heart that, so and so color is my requirement, or if I get some nice money, then the color becomes secondary.

      Preferences take a dive when clouded by other pleasing features that gratify the selfish desire of that person. I also mentioned in my bio, my only requirement is that the Woman should know Christ (born again) personally, not as ‘religion – Christian’, and that she should adhere or be willing to the traditions encouraged by The Apostles.

      Someone who knows Christ, will know what Love is. Love is ‘wanting the best person for someone’. Some have confused love as lust, sex with girlfriend/boyfriend, homosexuality, flirting, pleasing someone with lies, porn, being tolerant of wickedness, agreeing to everything and so forth.

      1 Corinthians 13:4-7 pretty much surmises what love is. Love is not puffed up. Someone who has already decided in his heart, I want such a caste or such a color and so forth, then he has already filtered True Love. Don’t take my word, but I will ask you husbands, can you look at your wives and say, ‘I love you for who you are, not for your looks’, or you wives to your husbands and say ‘I love you for who you are, not for what you have’. The ‘Yes’, and ‘No’, pretty much defines whether your wives are ‘sex objects’ and whether your husbands are ‘success objects’. Now, I know this will not go down with certain people and that is alright by me, I don’t mind someone who wants to disagree with me or the Truth. There will always be naysayers. But if you give it a thought, you will understand that deep down, you have filtered God’s definition of Love.

      I will express one recent incident, keep in mind I still have tpmite parents. So, here was a Christian Woman and I wanted to meet her, so I asked my Father, can we go and see. Having already seen her in photo, he had looked down upon her only for the reason that she is from a very poor family. But what was evident later in our conversation was this ‘കറുത്തവർ മിക്കവരും SC/STരാണ്’. The cool son that I am always, lost my temper, I asked him ‘what kind of a Christian are you?’. I had the longest furious argument with my father, not because I was desperate to meet the Woman, but to show him how he was hypocritical. It is like when one of a heathen comes up and asks ‘Are you Christian’, and then he asks ‘which Christian are you’, ‘Marthoma, RC, Catholic, Protestant, Pentecost, Knanaya, sambavar’? Which one?

      I am telling you all with sadness, that this is how most so called Christians look one or the other way, they have excuses for the sin they are indulging in. Most people think that we can’t make it to Heaven(specifically Kingdom of God), and that somehow grace will get there. The scriptures tell, that if you live in Him, then you have the assurance of eternal life (no doubts whatsoever), hold on to it unto death, then you shall have it for the world to come and for the ages of the ages. Things such as these will definitely weigh down your entrance to the Kingdom of God. You may think it as trivial but to our God does not. If you are not sure, read the Scriptures and see.

      I am a bit fair, but if I cut my vein and if I cut yours, and if it does not bleed red, then I will agree you are of a higher caste or a lower caste. When Christ set me free, he set me free of all such things mentioned above and much more, he gave me a preordained path that is evidenced in works of righteousness, he said to me you are not to this world of sin, you are a voluntary slave to serve Me. I for one, took upon it preciously, and until now, I have only felt being outcast-ed for it and I would bear it and much more for the sake of my Savior.

      So I beseech you brethren, if you are blinded by such things in life no matter who teaches you what, if ‘The Spirit’ who guides us all, teaches you ‘hold to things like caste’, then hold to it, if not, do not taken a Man’s word or mine for that matter to teach you how to be a True Christian, but check out the Scriptures what it really says.

      Single Men and Women out here, I would suggest that you look past such things and pray to God for the right person, or else that person will just be ‘a married to and having sex’, and nothing else. Pray and decide as if your eternity was on the line.

      To brethren who disagree, be as bereans, not just take up everything as one preacher or teacher says.

      Proverbs 18:13 NKJV

      He who answers a matter before he hears it,
      It is folly and shame to him.

      P.S: I am from Kerala, but will be happy to marry any Born-again Christian Woman as I mentioned. I have no such preference in Christ whom we love to be with one day.

      Read 1 John 4 for what God wants to say about Love.

      Remain blessed,
      John.

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      1. Dear John,
        The statement of your dad is quite repulsive when he said ‘കറുത്തവർ മിക്കവരും SC/STരാണ്’. This comes from the mentality of being higher or lower. This needs to be confronted.

        At the same time, we need to keep in mind that preferences are always part of the human makeup. We all have a compatibility issue. For eg., A Doctor may prefer his spouse to be a Doctor too. A Businessman would prefer his wife to be a good homemaker. We should, therefore, respect such choices and bring it before God.


        At the same time, I would like to mention one more thing. Caste is a man-made part of the social setup in the Hindu Society. It’s not part of a Christian society. However, as many people have been converted and join Christianity, they bring with them the baggage of Caste. Their upbringing is not something which we can rub and remove it. So in some scenarios where you happen to be of a lower caste, you may not get a mate who will accept your views and happen to come from a higher caste when in Hinduism. In fact, you should pray and search for a mate that suits you and it happens to be one from your old Hindu caste, you should not make any issue on that as a proof that you do not consider a person higher or lower. You should readily accept the probable mate as God’s prompting. God’s blessing is not based on human divisions but on his mercy.

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        1. Thank you Brother,

          I understand what you are saying. but exceptional circumstances aside, by making such a preference, he has made a decision already in his heart, that the spouse HAS to be a doctor. Like a fair person that the spouse HAS to be fair, or a rich person that the spouse HAS to be rich as well.

          This is like TPM’s choice of making their ministers ‘mandatory celibacy’, just because they prefer it that way, and moreover they will prove that preference with a verse. I would be appalled if someone took one of the exceptional situation from the OT and made it the ruler concerning marriage selection, just like i am appalled at tpm’s view of celibacy. I will respect if that is a person’s preference, let it be so, but I would say to such person, please do not parade that you did right by God. But isn’t this the very reason that women who are dark, who are poor, who are uneducated, and so forth are rejected and are staying unmarried? Can not well settled Christian boys give a better life for Christian girls? Will a Doctor marrying a Non-Doctor, make less of either of them?

          I clearly understand your view, but before a Doctor decides that his spouse HAS to be Doctor as well, that person should seek if it is really the Will of God for that person to make such a preference before the time. That person should be ready to say, ‘Lord, here I am, use me as you will’. Forcing upon such preference, he has made the Will of God, null and void. I will ask the same question that i ask any married person when I happen to discuss in person, that can they really look at their spouse and say ‘by God as my witness, I married her according to the Will of God’. For most, ‘Will of God’ is just a term like ‘this is the Lord’s doing’, when it is clearly their ‘own’ doing. To be frank, they are only marrying to fulfill their selfish desire. There are however exceptional people in all sides, who broaden the horizon within the boundaries God has set and that boundary is He or She MUST be Born-again Christian.

          You know, just a year back, I had wanted to see ONLY a Woman who is fair like me or even better if she was fairer than me. Such was my preference, and if I went that path, certainly I would be married to a fair girl, but what does it profit for me, than please the lust of my eyes? So, I had to unlearn that preference, and do not force that preference upon the Will of God. The only requirement as far as I understand the Scriptures, that for a Christian is, the other partner MUST be a born-again Christian and sadly most are not, they just hide behind that title without knowing what it really means.

          Just before this incident, I had got a proposal from a brahmin woman, very fair, has stunning looks that would make the world around me oggle at her beauty, but I rejected her after weeks of discussion because she wanted to infuse jewelery into our lives. I understand ornaments should not make us separate, but the more I listened and understood her reasons for ornaments, it was evident she was trying to please herself in front of others. At last she came with the Ezekiel 16:11,12 to sum up that it was right. I asked her to read the whole chapter, not just the first part., but the second part as well to understand what it really means. A bride sets herself so that she can please her bridegroom, not the audience.

          Surely no one can undo the consequences that was done prior in ignorance of the Truth. No one is encouraging to abandon their wives or husbands, but we can always try to change our future-past, in that to be true, ask forgiveness where needed, reconcile with others and try to pay off debts, so forth, move on further to perfection. And just like the other brother said, to willfully living ignoring the Truth, he or she is in spiritual whoredom.

          Anyways, I am sure we may disagree on certain things, but I won’t be wrong that in my life of being a victim, a coward and then to become a defender of the Truth, my convictions about most things are not led by someone’s teaching, but by The Spirit that teaches me and I believe that me being true to the Spirit of God is sufficient rather than listen to men.

          “1 Cor 10:31 Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. ”

          You do not have to answer me, I only wanted to express my opinion after coming into the Christian faith. But if one feels they are doing right by their preference, I won’t hold it against, for he or she is not accountable to me, but to our God only.

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        2. I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. Rom 14:14

          Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God, 1 John 3:21

          So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. Rom 14:22

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      2. @John

        Well said , yes i had a similar experience . . . Also i want to point out that the lower caste people are not angels either they wont search a partner in other upper or lower castes When it comes to marriage . .

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  10. // Its not only in tpm every ‘pente church ‘
    has same problem ..

    Not only every ‘pente church’ but every denominational churches. I have been to RC,CSI, A.G, Independent church.Since I was a born in a Hindu family we were in search of Churches.My final selection was TPM since I thought they are unmarried they don’t see caste. But my perception was completely wrong. In marriages even the SOGs enquired caste. That’s the reason I married outside TPM. Nobody will marry a low caste people in Tamil Nadu. But there might be some exemptions. I know a malayali who married a tamil guy. We were attending the same independent church in Gurugram. So 100 % of people in Tamil Nadu and Kerala are not like what you said. This is completely based on my Life’s experience. I am sorry if Iam hurting anyone in this thread.

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  11. Hannibal
    @Are we not divided with the above things..?
    Are we not suppose to be united in his body without these things..?
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    First of all let me apologise to you even as I do to my my own son….You ‘ve poured out
    your heart. ——so openly ……in TWO separate comments.Having understood your condition of heart to some extent (not your mind), I can really empathyse you. Let us look unto Jesus,the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrew 12:2 read the complete verse),Now we are no more divided,minding our own businesses!!!!
    True ,I am thankful to my Lord as He brought peace into my heart , because every time I react and send comments, I presume I hurt the feelings of others like ,Richards, Denzels Joys,D, Anbus, Chris s. Vik, Gs ,No more a slave To Fears, Redeemed s as my past comments were not in taste to you,Now I ask an unconditional pardon from all of you as my comments did really hurt you in one way or other. Now ‘am completely relieved person devoid of any burden having hurt others at any given point of time.
    I am thankful to ADMIN brother for having brought me to a new outlook in my approach towards all the thousands and thousands of readers that peep this site daily as the one EPISODE which contained 347 comments( readers to cross check the tittle of that EPISODE for themselves, as I withhold it willfully.) is really a jem of this site that brought many secrets into light.

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  12. Very much touched by ABAS reply comments to NMSF that mirrored the real life testimonials happened in his family.I strongly believe the timely rejoinders from Brother Redeemed and Brother Franklin did console Br ABAS that he underwent the humiliation from the hands of Bobby. Now after hearing all these real life stories,I recollect that this was the same Centre Pr Bobby who was referred to me by the another tainted pr. Sam Sathia raj who was no more.Quite a number of times this site exposed Sam Sathia raj ‘s Delhi ministry activities. I remember Sam Sathia raj used to hold Bobby in high esteem that he was TPM ‘s English hymn writer too. May be due to the fact both were playing CASIO instruments he used to frequently raise the name of Bobby. Anyway since both are no more in this world, I too rejoice in the Lord today and just wish to console Br. ABAS,that the Lord finally redeemed him from this CULT organization in the appointed hour through the blessed introduction of this site.This is the history of TPM that no one could alter.

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  13. These filthy,white pigs are dying like worms.The centre pastors are getting fatter and fatter and fatter like white pigs.And new workers get thinner and thinner.These filthy people keep preachinga bout divine healing but die like worm infested stray dogs.Their life shows no similarity to apostles,all they have to say is that they wear white dont take medicines and they dont marry.Even buddhists and hindus live ascetic life,at least their life is genuine asceticism especially hindu sadhus.These frauds just wear white to show they are special but live in mansions.They have vehicles to travel anywhere,the believers in the same church may not have food to eat or money to come for worship(of the saints of god).Then they preach that all the suffering for believers is because they are special.The fact is that the believers are stupid and give their money to these pastors more than ten percent of income that they get.These simple believers are normal workers or labourers or people with limited income.But the rich people in these fake homes are businessmen,ruthless cunning business men.They may give a lot of money but definitely not 10 percent,this money these business men earn is by not giving proper salary to their workers and cheating people.In the end what happens is that these rich believers are given vip treatment by these pastors but genuine poor believers are treated like human waste.And most people know how devious these rich tpmites are.So full of pride,getting out of posh cars etc.They have their own gang or club they will walk around as if they own the place,their children are worser than their parents.Making fun of poor people and making nasty comments and jokes in between their holy meetings.These so called rich people will stay in tpm because they get vip treatment but in the outside world,people wont even look at them twice.These so called old tpm rich believers will be laughing at the poor believers saying “unknown” tongues and jumping with kundalini spirit.But this kundalini is the core ideology of tpm.

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  14. Ive watched all these pastors closely,all fakes.If they are fasting day and nigh why are they so fat?If they are against marriage then stop conducting marriages totally.They wont.Because then people wont come.They know to what extent they can fool people.Nobody has the guts to stop these frauds because they either are afraid about being cursed(why are people so stupid) or being isolated in the fake home.Because they have already broken all ties with their relatives and outside connections.This is exactly what wolves do,isolate the weak aninals from their herd and then attack them.Similar to amalekites,they attack the weak(sick) with their perverted doctrines,the old i.e old believers and women,because the snake used woman to cheat adam.These fat pastors wont conduct wedding of new believers or non influential old believers properly.Wont go to visit sick in hospital but rich mans wedding all the pastors and mothers and all these leeches will go.But to visit someone sick,all these time these padtors are sick.Whenever you see them they will say Im sick.If they cant get well how will they heal others.Ive never seen such frauds in my whole life.Such manipulative ,conniving mind games playing perverted sick white clad pigs.

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  15. We were just over with a similar episode started by another brother and have all reconciled. Whatever be the actions of the clergy how can we despise them using the words you have described. Why don’t we leave to Him that weigheth the spirits to judge who is filthy. Meanwhile lets get the truth from this site out to max. People in TPM and open their eyes. This is by the way a humble request.

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    1. @Redeemed-The words Ive used are true.Absolutely true.If people are getting offended by truth then nothing can be done.Im calling a spade a spade not less not more.

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  16. Oh! Marriage and TPM. I’ve had bad experiences! I have visited markets with elder sisters who buy stuff for the bride. They take a certain amount of money from the family, it’s like a package and Ghosh!! I’ve seen her picking up stuff from the roadside, and there is a certain design for the sandals, white or cream in colour, in a certain inches height. And finally, she gets all the cheap stuff and charges a bomb. It’s a kind of business. The list goes on and on .. Certain amount to be paid to all of them according to their designation, amount to be paid on the day of marriage. etc.

    And I’ve also mentioned in my testimony when I decided that I will get married whom I like and at registrar’s office, One thing that Pastor Samadhana Prabhu told me was, “Don’t come to me later telling that you don’t have a child”. I was in no urgency to prove him wrong as I had my other commitments but I know for sure that I will definitely take my baby to him soon. They feel so elated by cursing others.
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    But I would also like to tell something here, Let us avoid name-calling them. I see many comments here like “they’re like a fat pig”. Let us refrain from it, Just like Brother/Sister Redeemed said, let our words be seasoned with Grace

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        1. @Joice-These fake white pigs can judge people,ridicule people,mistreat people but people shouldnt react.You sound like a borderline tpmite who still has sympathy for some tpm swine.Well Im out of this and I dont sympathise with these frauds one bit.Preach about love all day to me,but I dont care,and judge me to be rude I dont care still.Im out of all these drama of manipulation through Gods word and fake hypocrisy.For me whats true is true,whats false is false.Im gonna call a spade,a spade.Btw lemme tell one thing very frankly.You treat wolves as wolves and pigs as pigs.If you go to share love and not treat them they deserve then these pigs and wolves will destroy you.I always supported naming and shaming because all this time I know one thing this tpm survived because of forgiving people who didnt act at the right time in the strongest way.Forgiving and letting go of these wolves mean you let them scot free to go about destroying more lives.By lecturing about love and being light with these pigs is equal to abetting them

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  17. Hello Admin,
    You are doing a great service to the community!
    We are indebted to you.
    Kindly open a new subject, how these people behave during the funeral of a person (someone who has fallen from their Grace). That’s the lowest point a person can behave.
    Thanks.

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  18. Faced a similar situation during my marriage. Since all the workers in our Center were known to our family (and the workers also were very much interested to attend my wedding and many requested us to take permission for them from the Center Pastor), my father requested the Centre Pastor to allow all the workers in our center to attend my wedding. Initially the CP was hesitant. Then he told that he didn’t want to burden us coz if all the workers were to come then we will have to sponsor their “to and fro” charges plus offerings. When we told that we will pay the conveyance charges he agreed. Marriage was in the evening followed by reception. But the sadist CP informed all the workers that there will be a whole night workers meeting the selfsame day. It was a pity as workers came but did not eat much as they had to be awake the whole night after the previous night journey and whole day program. Also heard that the sisters had to give the offerings that they received from us to the CP. Marriage in TPM is like buying a luxurious car in India…TAXES ARE HIGH.
    Moreover the CP did not allow the camera guys to come into the meeting hall…the photographers were seen peeping through the windows to take my wedding photographs. What a pity!!!
    I thank God for His mercy …. I am now out of this cult.

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  19. Well now things have improved I guess….They allowed the kottarakara convention procession to be filmed….But again all approvals depend on how well they are taken care off….

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    1. @Redeemed:
      TPM has different rules in different places just as they operate in different names in different countries. But world over they understand one language very nicely…and that is the language of money!

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  20. In one of a wedding reception I attended from a chennai’s faith home, the pastor visited the Reception hall away from FH at 10 PM to check if the bride and groom were in whites. He came just to check and go back, did not have food. But the bride, groom and both side families were waiting for him to come and go, after that you can guess what happened. Everyone changed the clothes, black suite red saree, it was pomp reception thereafter. Actually the family was tipped by an elder sister for the pastor’s time of inspection and advised to be re dressed after that check was done. It was a excitement to see the occasion, it was done with so much team work behind the scenes to make late reception really really great till midnight 12 and later too! Reception hall management had to come and switch off the lights when the photographer was zooming in for his last shots. It was fun and every one happy. I am not sure if all the FH are so strict as it mentioned in the story, but they cross limits some times for sure.

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  21. I see a very lively discussion was going on between Cognizance& ADMIN.
    If we consider CONTEXT is the root cause of the discussion almost90% of the issue is set right.’Marriage’ is the ‘CONTEXT’ Theres’ no denial on this.There fore quoting other scriptural references which are irrelevant (whatever —-I do not wish to rack up the feelings of our brethren) since it serves no purpose here.
    Cognizant brother raises HINDU Sanathana Dharmam*****Are you identifying with unwritten social rules in other words rules written by the devil to divide the people) – {one such example Hindu caste system is based on sanathana dharmam – Brahman (Their God – Our Devil)} ****
    Not only Sanathana dharmam,The devil played a cunning trick of dividig the people. HINDU society was thus divided into 4 major social groups, BHAHMANA,,KSHSTRIYA,VYSHAYA,SOODRA,But God has His supernatural plans well set to save every one from the guile nature of the devil.He does not leave them.From that particular community He saves His chosen ones through whom He was continuing His work of salvation . Thus each of those 4 groups are being saved. Here the context is universal not the ‘SPECIFIC– marriage or death issue. For example for wider understanding , I wish to site one reknowed Jewish death incident happened recently.
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    Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein,(Jewish) founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews (IFCJ), was passed away suddenly on Wednesday (6th Feb’19) night at age 67.
    The IFCJ has been widely praised for its work helping poor Jews and Israelis, as well as directly helping more than 17,000 Jews immigrate to Israel from 31 countries.

    Eckstein and the IFCJ did, however, generate controversy, with some expressing suspicion as to the motivation of Evangelical Christian donors to Jewish and Israeli causes.

    Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, the late leader of the haredi community, ruled in 2009 that taking donations from IFCJ was forbidden since he and other rabbinic authorities held Christianity to be a form of idolatry and said therefore that aggrandizing Christians who give to Jewish charities was itself “close to idolatry.”

    Senior rabbis in the hard-line wing of the national-religious community, such as Rabbi Dov Lior, also forbade accepting funds from IFCJ, saying that it was forbidden to receive money from Christians.

    Not all Orthodox groups agree with this interpretation, such as the Chabad movement, which continued to work with and accept donations from IFCJ, as did many others.

    Eckstein also fell out with the Jewish Agency in 2014 – to which the IFCJ donated tens of millions of dollars – over what he said were failures by the organization to react quickly enough to demand in Ukraine for immigration to Israel following the outbreak of that country’s conflict with Russia.

    He also argued with the Jewish Agency over what he said was its failure to acknowledge the source of the funds the IFCJ provided it.

    Tributes nevertheless poured in following the announcement of his death from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President Reuven Rivlin, ministers, rabbis and Evangelical Christian ministers who Eckstein had worked with such as Pat Robertson and Pastor John Hagee, founder of Christians United for Israel, the pro-Israel lobbying organization.

    In response to his death, Rivlin described Eckstein as “A great man, a great Jew and a great Zionist,” while Yisrael Beytenu leader and former defense minister Avigdor Liberman said that he had been “a man of dialogue and pleasant ways,” and that many immigrants to Israel had realized their dream of coming to the Jewish state because of his work.

    Hagee said Eckstein had an “impact on the State of Israel and on bringing Jews and Christians together, which will be felt for generations,” while Robertson – founder and chairman of the Christian Broadcasting Network – said he had been “a pioneer and champion of Christian/Jewish relations for decades.”
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    Now God ‘s outlook is different than the man’s outlook . Eventhough the Orthodox Jews hated the moderate Jewish Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, for doing his ministry,it did not deter him from pursuing his goals. Now he appointed his own daughter Yael Eckstein to head his organization, He did not appoint any other non jewish person. So perhaps God allows certain things to happen in order to fulfill His will.I think we should take note of the view of the ‘Context part ‘before we apply scriptural references .
    Though we quote Gal 2:11-14, the context does not apply here. Well on the same count, the Word of God exhorts us to apply Gal 3:28, but can TPM Clergy honestly confess that their day to day administration of transfers or what ever is totally devoid of partiality?No, they have an element of deviation in their methodology which is totally unscriptural.But God looks at it .

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  22. Even though some people here have come out of TPM, but their arrogance and attitude still visible to compare. They are like different ideology now but same behavior as before. Not sure what changes underwent in true sense. Anyways its better to post here only for the people who visit this site for getting useful info and to get out of the clutches of a cult. Argument with super-smarts will waste our senses. Cant be scrolling down to check what some heated mind’s generalized statements are. Gracefully we have to bypass and ignore the ignore-worthy identities.

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  23. @Cognizance,
    Do you have any issues in your marriage? In everybody’s marriage life, there is always some misunderstanding. But nobody highlights it.

    As far as my understanding is concerned, Admin has very good Bible knowledge and he is trying his best to bring as many people as possible from this cult. Marriage is always an area of personal choice.

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    1. @Bro.Dorai .

      Yes admin has a unique calling , no one doubts abt his knowledge wch is enough to expose the fake homes … .

      But i m sure he has not witnessed division related issues and its not his mistake .
      as i/we are working against this caste eradication movement in christendom .
      We are well aware whats going on in the churches .. .

      Lets say admin is an upperclass believer goes to church every week meet his friendlies and getback to his life on monday ..??! There is no way he had a chance to
      Assess the issues between the believers. . nobody cares as long as our comfort zone is safe and secure ..

      and nobody bothers the admin to fix the social issues inside the church. .. let him stick to his calling and look after this site . I know people came out of casteism and testified in public meetings . .

      Caste is demonic and its derived from hinduism . We pray and work hard to expose this hidden evil to be kicked out of The body of Christ . (Especially among tamilians )

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      1. @Hannibal,
        I have a question. Should not the change start from within an individual? When you are a Christian, your caste of Hinduism should be discarded by yourself. Once you have fully discarded it, then you may object to others identifying you as such. But as far as my understanding goes, I know of Christians who belonged to the lower caste (when they were Hindus), claiming reservations that are meant only for certain castes. How come they want to take advantage of that reservation meant for your ex-caste and expect others(people of the world) to treat you a caste-less? I was even told that many of those Christians with Christian names has an official name in their official records which identifies them as that particular caste Hindus.

        As recently mentioned in the Parliament, the reservations based on SC/ST/OBC etc are for “Social Equality” and not for “Financial Reasons”.

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        1. If a born again still continues with the reservation benefits out of ignorance , unintentionally .. thats fine . ( usually new converts )

          But once the bornagain came to know about this reservation bondage and still continues … he/she should be consider as a spiritual whore ..!

          Problem is with their pastors , no strong condemnation on this area
          reservation and casteism .

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        2. Yes, Brother. That becomes a very touchy subject. This is because true repentance also means that you should forego some undue advantages you made while you were unsaved.

          8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

          9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.” Luke 19:8-9

          Now consider the situation where somebody resigns his job because he was an SC and Now he wants to correct that. All his promotions also would have been on the basis of the caste certificates.

          Also, consider a young student who will have to drop out of his Engineering course because he got an admission based on his caste certificate.


          I think it is best left to the Lord to deal with it rather than we humans shaking up their world.

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      2. Bro,
        What has caste system to do anything with Christ. He wouldn’t care if we are a kshatriya or BC as long as people on both ends love each other as themselves.
        Every country in asia has deep socio-economic divisions from time it came into form.
        So despite of all these divisions if if we can still love each other genuinely like ourselves then this is what Christ expects.
        At Genesis 11:7 God created this difference and it continues until this day. So nothing wrong with it.
        It is unto individuals to inter-marry or not marry both of which will not make any difference to God as long as we love others like our own selves.
        On the other side assume there was only one caste……yet with people with no love towards one another,….it would be the same effect. So having or not having a caste system has no bearing in the kingdom of God.

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        1. @ Mathew

          Great , so let them be a ” special people ” and let us be “gentile ” , Cos HIS blood shed is vain ..What ya think..?

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  24. Hannibal
    @But once the bornagain came to know about this reservation bondage and still continues … he/she should be consider as a spiritual whore ..”
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    Admin
    @Yes, Brother. That becomes a very touchy subject. This is because true repentance also means that you should forego some undue advantages you made while you were unsaved.”
    @I think it is best left to the Lord to deal with it rather than we humans shaking up their world.
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    Beautiful discussion between the brothers finally ended with a spirited summation at the end in reply to Bro. Hannibal .In fact I am indeed thankful to this blessed site that allowed a similar discussion took place between me and bro. D. Anbu some months ago.Since then I hardly found any reply from Bro. D,Anbu

    Bro.D.Anbu was not forthright in his argument just as Bro. Hannibal has brought out by comparing those believers (as spiritual whore) who are enjoying the fruits of the reservation,got elevated to higher promotions whatever this world gave, and at the same time claiming oneself in the SUNDAY CHURCH as CHRISTIAN is totally negating the word of God as told in 1 Pet 4:16.This is nothing but HYPOCRACY .This site has been opposing such character minded CHRISTIANS tooth and nail.The word of God is TRUTH, I can not twist it to suit to my advantage.The so called workers & SODs or SOMs never correct those dual playing believers!The reason we know. ( the income to the Clergy will not come)
    ” YET IF ANYONE SUFFERS AS A CHRISTIAN LET HIM NOT BE ASHAMED…..BUT LET HIM GLORIFY GOD IN THIS MATTER. ” is what the Bible teaches, (I wish to underline IN THIS MATTER) but because of our social stigmas , socio -economic problems we have , it was better left it to the hands of those believers, to their wise counsel of their own CONSCIENCE.
    Admin bro has finally intervened in this very important subject of ‘CASTE’and nailed the last nail on the coffin box of ‘CASTE’

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