One thing which has always amused me is the typical response of most TPM Believers. When confronted with the glaring opposition to scriptures, they take refuge in some statements which mean like this.
“We should never look at the saints as they have certain failings. We should always look at Jesus ONLY.”
Though this sentence sounds very nice to hear, what they truly mean is something like this.
“Don’t bother to wake us up with these facts, we will continue in our own TPM ways. Our Ministers are the closest to Jesus“.
When a standard TPM Believer says the above sentence, he has this notion that Jesus would teach and practice what TPM Pastors do.
This is the beginning of a series of articles which contrast TPM’s Teachings and Practices with that of Jesus. We have the record of the life of Jesus and his apostles in our possession. Therefore, we should make use of those to evaluate TPM’s interpretation of certain scriptures.
Table of Contents
The Standard
Remember that there is ONLY ONE WAY and that Way is Jesus. It’s not Paul, Peter or John. When Thomas asked for the way, Jesus made it clear that HE IS THE WAY.
5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:5-6
By saying he is the ONLY WAY, he is saying that HIS LIFE WHICH HE LIVED is the only standard to reach the Father. His Standard is the way of the Cross. By Cross, I mean the relationship with God (The Vertical beam) and relationship with Man (The Horizontal Beam). This same standard is reiterated in his two commandments.
35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matt 22:35-40
We are also expected to carry our own Cross and live life exactly as the Lord showed us.
24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Matt 16:24
Jesus’ Holiness vs TPM’s Holiness
Almost all TPM Ministers and Believers have a notion of Holiness that is alien to the scriptures. But before we come to the TPM standard, let us check what Jesus and his Apostles meant by Holiness.
Jesus’s Holiness
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God” Matthew 5:8
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness, no one will see the Lord. Heb 12:14
Now combine both these aspects and you will realize that there is only One way to see God and that is Purity of heart which is also called Holiness.
Holiness is also an aspect which has to be measured against the Cross (Relationship with God and Relationship with Fellow humans).
Jesus considered the Holiness of your heart ONLY and not an externality.
Being pure in the heart involves having a singleness of heart toward God. A pure heart has no hypocrisy, no guile, no hidden motives. The pure heart is marked by transparency and an uncompromising desire to please God in all things. It is not an external purity; it is internal purity.
Jesus’ Holiness never had a problem with his association with Sinners. His holiness did not get corrupted by others but he could save them from their sins.
15 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Mark 2:15-17
Holiness will be evident from a person’s behaviour with others.
11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person. Matt 15:11,18-20
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 1 Pet 1:15-16
The Inference:
- Holiness has nothing to do with external appearance, It is Purity in Heart.
- Your Holiness cannot be defiled by your association with Sinners.
- Your Words and actions/behaviour can be evidence of your holiness within.
- You cannot be defiled by what you consume through your mouth
- Holiness is not corrupted by having sex with your spouse as that would disqualify Peter who says holiness is all about conversation/behaviour.
TPM’s Holiness
Now that we know what is Jesus’s Holiness standard, let us evaluate TPM’s Holiness standard.
- Wearing White clothes to show their holiness. They abhor any other coloured clothes and that is evident from their behaviour. It can also be seen in the testimony of Lilyan where they accused her of being the daughter of Satan for her clothes colour. This happens because there is no ingenuity and have to replace that with white clothes. Ignorant people can be deceived by such outward appearance but God weighs the hearts. “The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” (1 Samuel 16:7). As holiness is purity of heart, any outward appearance change to show holiness, can only be categorized as deceit. Nothing more.
- Complete separation from the people of the World. TPM pastors think Jesus was a mistake that he mingled with the sinners. These hypocrites get mad when you attend a wedding or any function of your friends belonging to another religion. They frown upon your association with people wearing jewels and attending a party. They think all such associations are immoral. They even go to the extent of misquoting the scriptures to blind their believers. They quote from 2 Cor 6:14-17 (Std VIII Lesson 15) to mislead the people. The passage is about getting married to unbelievers. By such actions, they are trying to be holier than Jesus(John 17:15) and Paul(1 Cor 5:10) and also assume that God is powerless to keep you. Such a stand also goes against Jesus’s command that we are the salt of the earth(Matt 5:13). A salt which does not mingle with food is useless. What TPM Doctrine does is, keeping the salt in the saltshaker forever,
- Some actions and behaviour which none of us misses is the arrogance of TPM Ministers and the way they treat their believers. They always consider them as substandard to them. In many of their sermons, they speak very highly of themselves and their so-called consecration and compare it with other ministers in a very disparaging way. This self-exaltation and superiority complex is manifested in their Pastor’s Kitchen, seating positions, Gradings based on country of origin, Racial undertones, Partiality between the rich and the poor, Building projects, Land acquisition etc.
- TPM has this doctrine of Divine healing which says that you will be defiled if you take medicine. This is quite contrary to Jesus’s statement in Matt 15:11,18-20. TPM ministers preach that people who consume medicines will not be transformed if you take medicine. However, I am sure that they themselves do not believe it as they take medicines secretly and some even inject medicines into their bodies.
- Another doctrine of TPM is that having sex is a cause for defilement. That is the reason they have this twisted understanding of Rev 14. In the process of establishing their Rev 14 doctrine, they have gone to the extent of taking Doctrines of Demons(1 Tim 4:1,3) and violating God’s commandment of not separating the ones that God has Joined (Mark 10:9). They use these twisted interpretations to sing praises to themselves. The Reason these people are claiming to see God’s face is that of their consecration of not having done sex. They are not at all worried about the impure minds they own and cultivated.
Conclusion
As read in the above sections, the Holiness of TPM is very much contrary to the Holiness of Jesus and his apostles. So what goes contrary to Jesus and his teachings? Please answer for yourself.
The holiness of TPM is absolute hypocrisy. I don’t say all, but most of TPM saints are whited-sepulchres. Most of them are defiled in their mind as they look at the women folk with lustful eyes, talk with lustful desires and they even touch with bad intentions. You can imagine the standard of holiness by the positional promotion they are given. Look at Rajan Babu, who is presently the Asst. Centre Pastor of Tirupati. The entire Mumbai TPM folks know that he is immoral. It was a talk of the town that he even had physical relation with a sister who is no more in TPM. He has a history of ruining many women, even Deputy Chief Pastor M.T.Thomas knows it well. If people like Rajan Babu can be promoted as an Asst. Centre Pastor then even a simple man can imagine the standard of TPM’s holiness. TPM’s doctrine is to maintain a separation from those who wear jewels, coloured dress and other denomination folk who are morally good but have fellowship with whited sepulchres who are morally evil. What a doctrine? It’s totally Devilish.
//Another doctrine of TPM is that having sex is a cause for defilement.
This above statement is very true. I have been personally told by sisters in TPM to treat my husband like brother during sanctification meetings and when we fast . According to TPM sex is a sin during sanctification meetings, fasting and saturday night since sunday is a holy day according to TPM . The local fake home which I left was under Irumbuliyur center and those training sisters and brothers ask the belivers to stay at night on saturdays after night prayer. Training brother Megavel was the culprit who tortured all belivers to stay at fake home on saturday night. He will also add though you have airconditioner at home , staying with mosquito bite on saturday night in fake home premises is a blessing 🙁
Hebrews 13:4 states
“Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge “.
You can also read
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2018/02/05/the-third-person-in-the-marriage-tpm-clergy/
May be they are quoting from OT where Moses said all Israelites to sanctify for 2 days and in 3rd day God will visit. That time, it was said not to lie with wife.
Exodus 19:15
And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives.
Holiness of GOD will drive out demons but forgive and free sinners…
The One who is born of Holy Spirit is the Holy One of Israel Who saves His people from their Sins (Matthew 1:20,21)
Few excerpts from the *“HOLINESS OF JESUS”*
1) Demons could not stand His Holy presence but to flee His holy presence.
Luke 4 : 33,34
In the synagogue there was a man possessed by the spirit of an unclean demon. He cried out in a loud voice, “Ha! What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are, the Holy One of God!”
Mark 5 6,7
When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!”
2) Sinners could not stand his Holy presence but to be forgiven and freed from their sins
Luke 7 :36-50
A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.
Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Luke 19 : 1- 10
When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.”So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.
All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”
But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”
Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
I doubt any form of Holiness which does not identify with the nature of Jesus` Holiness – The Holy One of GOD
Very nice article… One more article to remove the mask…
Genesis: 5: 22-“And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:”
God had no problem with Enoch even though the latter was having conjugal relationship with his spouse. But TPM blatantly misuses I Cor: 9:5- (“Have we not the right to lead about a SISTER, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?”) to tell that their belivers, though married, should abstain from sex, like the apostles and their wives, who TPM assumes, lived like brothers and sisters.
But sad to say that they go about highlighting Exodus 19:15 to the laity but the clergy ends up in Lev: 18:22-“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination”.
With disgust I want to tell that when I was in school (sometime in 1993-94) the Incharge worker (who later left the ministry) asked me to massage his legs and slowly insisted me to touch his genital, at which point I fled. Since I was small I was afraid to tell anyone not even to my parents. Because my family was so blinded in TPM they would always quote what the author in this article cited “We should never look at the saints as they have certain failings. We should always look at Jesus ONLY”. Also a standard example of Uzzah was given to us by TPM that if we try to touch the “falling ark of the covenant” we will die immediately.
I Corinth 9:5 is one of the most used scripture portion twisted for TPM’s use. When people twist, they tend to forget the punctuation marks, give pauses in irrelevant places and ignore some words in between , or, ignore the verse following them. Also, they emphasize to use KJV bibles only even if they don’t understand it as it is supposed to be!!! As an exercise, let me take the verse from different translations( versions) , if it is read in the first place, would have broken all such notions and exposed the wolves for what they are.
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/9-5.htm
New International Version
Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?
New Living Translation
Don’t we have the right to bring a Christian wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peter does?
English Standard Version
Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
Berean Study Bible
Have we no right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?
Berean Literal Bible
Have we no authority to take about a believer as a wife, as also the other apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
New American Standard Bible
Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
King James Bible
Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
There are still other translations available which can be seen in the link provided above. Is not the verse blatantly twisted by the “EUNUCHS?”. Let God be true and every man a liar.
1.@“We should never look at the saints as they have certain failings. We should always look at Jesus ONLY.”
2@“Don’t bother to wake us up with these facts, we will continue in our own TPM ways. Our Ministers are the closest to Jesus“.
KUDOS to ADMIN in bringing more facts into light by publishing this beautiful episode with a bang at the beginning of this very year 2019. Shall we not appreciate the most visible change that was clearly seen in the total mind set of the readers of this site.I hardly see or read any NEW YEAR greetings being exchanged by the august body of the members. Well done.The total credit goes to ADMIN who brought a revolutionary thinking in the mind set of the reading community. Before you read my comment in this section I advise you to please go to the comments portion of the EPISODE published on 29th DEC’18 .The the — MORE ABOUT TPM PROMISE CARDS,,….. Very interesting facts could be seen in the comments section……..too. and thus get updated.
The above statements 1& 2 are the true reflection of the mind set of CULTISH behavior of most believer community of TPM. Better come out it.
//Another doctrine of TPM is that having sex is a cause for defilement.
During the recently concluded sanctification meeting, I came to hear a new revelation from the SOG, regarding the point quoted above.
The key verse was luke – 20:34,35.
Luke 20:35 KJV
But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
He told that to be accounted worthy of resurrection or to be part of resurrection, one shouldn’t marry nor given in marriage.
He quoted 1 cor 7 :2 and said that marriage is an institution instituted to prevent fornication and hence it doesn’t mean a proper form of holiness and therefore marrying will be a sin because we are not able to control the burning lust(1 Cor – 7:9 quoted) and hence cannot be part of resurrection.
He wanted every one to be eunuchs(1cor 7:7,8) as the SOGs (my thought – to always do things illegally?) and apostles (1 cor 9:5 quoted).
Then he later said that the husband should not separate from wife because it God’s commandment but they should live like brother and sister and not have sex as having sex is falling into Satan’s temptation (1cor 7:5)
He began the above message with the disclaimer that Holy spirit was urging him to say this deeper truths for 3-4 days but he was afraid on the reception of this deeper truths by the laity. This disclaimer actually helped the reception of the message with a eager heart from the laity.
I didn’t know why his holy spirit left luke 20:36 out of the key context or why he forgot that the first marriage was instituted before the fall of man or About 1 Tim 4:3.
The answer to all these questions and also 1 Tim 4:3 is in 2 Tim 4:3
If Tambi Durai is to be believed then such revelations or DDT are only given to Zion. Nothing in this world can change their devilish doctrines as they will continue satisfying the materialistic needs of soulish laity and improve their economic prospects by marketing themselves as alternative to holy spirit.
If you notice in their sermons or exhortations they will never refer to Christ/His nature or the Holy spirit. They will always refer to single/double/triple anointing, topping up of anointing (as if it was gas), hovering anointing, fire,,fire etc. If they do then TPM won’t exist.
Time to flee from this place guys..
These frauds may also ask Jesus and the church to be as brother and sister as they think the institution of marriage is defiling. Surely ti’s the doctrine of the devils.
Do you really find yourselves at peace by faulting others. Just Pray for others. Truth can never be changed. No one can change the truth. No Pastor can change the truth. There may be some Pastors with some shortcomings. We should just Pray and God takes care their shortcomings. Let God shower his Grace upon everyone to hate the sin and not hate the sinners.
Believe me, there is no greater peace than snatching the sheep out of the wolf’s mouth. I know this worries the Wolves and the foxes with them.
Where is the Bible verse to support your claim.
My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20
Yes Brother. But by finding fault in them, which person are you trying to save from their sins. In reality there is no church in the world which is perfect. Only God can lead us to perfection.
Well we are not much bothered about personal faults as with doctrinal faults..
Let me ask you few things.
What do you understand after reading Matt 23?
How will you interpret Eph 5:11-13?
What do you think the Ephesian church did right or wrong in Rev 2:2 ?
But If we read Rev 2 till the 5th verse. God asks us to return to our first love we had with God. But if you really wants to correct them, then Bible tells that in Mat 18:15-17, Gal 6:1.
How come you ignored my question and has shifted tracks. Is not that an admission of dishonesty?
What this site is doing is an open rebuke of those wolves who are claiming to be apostles. This is exactly expected out of a responsible person. 1 Timothy 5:20.
This site is asking people very openly to discard the false apostles and false teachers of TPM and get back to the first love.
Remember that rebuke is the language of Love. TPM is a dangerous organization taking people away from the saviour and his love. You can defend them at your own peril.
You are quoting verses regarding personal sins..but that is not how we deal with wolves who are taking lakhs of ignorant people to destruction. They need to be exposed thoroughly.
Ok Brother. If your real purpose is to warn people of some wrong doctrine. Its fine. But do remember that there are many workers and believers in all the faith homes that are standing up for the truth that Jesus has bestowed upon everyone.
What we are saying here is that TPM’s doctrines are erroneous through and through. Can you show me ONE TPM Exclusive doctrine which can be supported by the scriptures? By TPM Exclusive, I mean the doctrine which can only be found in TPM and not other places.
We are not against any person. Personal Sins are to be dealt with in a personal manner and God deals with that in his own ways.
@ Richards
@ workers/ believers standing for TPM truth(Biblical Lie) …
For what truth is tpm standing brother Richards?
As for me,I don’t find an iota of Truth in tpm. Whatever you see it appears outwardly as Christian, but deep down it is nothing but twisting and deviation from fundamental Truth.
Let us start with gospel..Do you even understand difference between legalism and righteousness of faith. Is preaching moral rules same as preaching gospel? Adding Jesus blood as one time activity to get forgiveness of sins and then preaching moral rules (highlighting Holiness in mere speech) a preaching of gospel? Isnt gospel radical conversion of entire being of person from old to new? Isnt it ceasing to be self and unification with Christ? Shouldnt fruits be seen as evidence to converted soul.
Is categorization of chief , deputy , elder, small worker, morally right? Look at their lifestyle. They preach sacrificial life but live as King’s. They have all kinds of servants from kitchen cook to driver. Is this the type of ministry Jesus asked from his followers. He said that this is style of gentiles. This system should not be found among you. Chief among you must serve small among you. Jesus himself washed feet of his disciples and said , I have given you example of how you must do your ministry. Let me know how you prove their lifestyle as biblical ministry.
Let’s start with different parts of Sunday service. There is lot of perversion. First they make you repeat praise the Lord several times in contradiction to Matthew 6;7. Then they sing songs. Out of all languages songs, there will be one song at least which makes you sing praises into 144k tpm saints of Zion, about how they are worthy for Zion and how Zion is best place etc. This is akin to idol worship. Making laity sing self praise is to make them stand in parallel to God. This is done subtly without your knowledge. Next comes tarrying meeting which is again in violation to I Corinthians 14. Then come prophecy which makes you feel you are Superior to others. It instills grandiose illusion in you. Then is their testimony part which is their marketing. It makes them modern mediatrix. Next they preachers you brainwashing twisted interpretation of scriptures, which are man focussed instead of being Christ focussed. Just go through all the articles in website n see what i am.saying.
Their convention is also for growing their own kingdom, instead of Gods. They preach their exclusive unique gospel of perfection, with seven steps of salvation, to increase their membership.
There is not a single activity in tpm which is free from their twisting and corruption. I don’t see any Truth in tpm.
@Nath
If there is no iota of truth in TPM.
How come then Jesus changed me in this fellowship.
Jesus changed my character.
Jesus always filled me with His Love whenever I go to His presence.
He always comforts me through his peace.
He always give solution to my problem when I ask Him at his presence.
Whenever I attend the Sunday meetings, even a single day God has never sent me back empty. How then could it be possible.
God has revealed me various precious doctrines through the workers.
Doctrines generally here are more on heavenly treasures than worldly treasures.
I do agree 100% it is not perfect. They may be some imperfections. All I pray is God will give His Grace, His Mercy, His Spirit to make the imperfect perfect.
Brother,
Nobody will be able to dispute anybody’s experiences. This same is true for Hindus, Catholics, Muslims and the rest. However, we can surely evaluate the doctrines based on the scripture.
So taking your below statements
//God has revealed me various precious doctrines through the workers.
Doctrines generally here are more on heavenly treasures than worldly treasures.
Will you be able to let us know one of those precious doctrines which you think cannot be available elsewhere?
@Richards
@ your experience of feeling love in tpm tarrying meeting
Oh even I felt the same way untill truth hit me. What I believe you are experiencing is voice that exalts the “self” in you. There are many are article on this website that she’d light on it. Here are few
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2018/07/10/spirit-of-narcissism-in-tpm/
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2018/03/11/spiritual-megalomania-of-tpm/
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2018/07/01/love-bombing-tpms-kiss-of-deception/
@ precious doctrines
Let us know heavenly doctrines of tpm. We have already covered most of them and proved them unbiblical. Start one and I will show you how earthly they are
@Richards, please enlighten us with some of the TPM doctrines that you consider are precious…let us examine, reason and debate in the light of the scriptures for the benefit of all.
FYI, for a long time, I was also under the same deception that the so called TPM doctrines were precious and heavenly, until God in His mercy opened my eyes to the truth.
Yes whatever they preach, it is good to recheck with the Bible. As no one can go outside the Bible and preach. There may be certain preachings by certain preachers which may not exactly go with the Bible. But totally ignoring TPM, I feel it is not correct. As in reality that is no church which is 100% perfect. I feel 99.99% the preachings are in sync with the truth. Humans can never be perfect including me and everyone here. God alone is perfect and God alone can give His Grace to make the imperfect perfect.
As far as I am concerned, It is JESUS alone who has comforted me, solves my problems, filled my heart with His Love.
If I found someone had some shortings, Jesus expects me to pray for their shortcomings.
But again if Jesus has revealed you to expose their shortcomings, then so be it. As Gods will alone should be fulfilled.
Brother, you have not answered the question. Rather chose to say the following
//I feel 99.99% the preachings are in sync with the truth.
Do you think if only .01% error was there in TPM, we would have bothered to spend this great effort? Just think logically.
We have over 270 articles in this site and over 200 of them are specifically addressing doctrinal heresies of TPM.
So let me start with just one issue. What do you understand by TPM’s Doctrine of Salvation?
1. Do you believe in the 7 steps of Salvation?
2. Do you believe that the TPM Ministers are Saviours of Mankind?
if you believe the above you have the obligation to prove it using the scriptures. If you don’t believe Then leave alone 99.99. The Most cardinal foundation of Christian faith is violated. Expecting your response.
Who is this Richards that kept his following comments in this site in the year 2017
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Richard says:March 20, 2017 at 6:17 pm
Are TPM ministers apostles? I don’t think they qualify to be called that either. Apostles in the NT are those who witnessed Christ’s resurrection and they penned God breathed scripture. And according to 1 Cor 9:5, they traveled with their wives. Their teachings are what makes the foundation of the Christian faith. One doesn’t become an apostle on account of ministering in a particular denomination.
Now, if we follow the biblical instruction, there must be a plurality of elders in a local church. Elders were to direct the affairs of the local church. According to 1 Tim 5:17, it is clear that only some elders were involved in teaching and preaching and some not (maybe the others were deacons? I’m not sure). In any case, the elders were folks who were mature in their faith so they could lead by example with scripture as the highest authority. Someone who doesn’t lead an exemplary family life cannot be an elder according to scripture. So how can a TPM minister lead by example in that regard? Bible says to submit to one another too (Eph 5). So elders too must submit to every other believer. In any case, the meaning of Heb 13:17 in light of other scripture would be “obey the scriptures as properly taught”. Though parts of the body of Christ has different functions, no part has authority over another. We submit to each other out of reverence for Christ with scripture as the foundation and the church as a whole submits to Christ.
Quite perplexing to read the contradictory statements from the same personality
Can we think that something some soul searching thing might have happened to this dear brother within span of two years .?
Eagle’s Eye already completed the translation part of 17 points of Pas Paul’s life history that appeared on the last page the 2019-VIJAYAWADA CONVENTION HYMN SHEET .They will sent to ADMIN to cross check the veracity of these 17 points in relation to the original life history of him.
Both are different people using the same alias name. TO know if both are same, just compare the gravatar icon for both of them.
Kudos to you beloved Br.ADMIN in bearing different kinds of psyches of the personalities. In the same token I must say there are two Denzel Joys (DJ)because one DJ s tone looks different from the other DJ. One sits on the wall by telling like this: O admin,admin,admin, be careful…………like a la – biblical way, three times he utters the same word. Anyway we are leaving to the wise counsel of individuals.So understand the different comments of the people, one needs the real God given gift of spiritual eyes of understanding and a thorough enlightenment of the minds. Otherwise it would be very difficult to understand the psyche of the people.
@ Eagle’s eye,
There is only one Denzel Joy and the comment you referred to is mine… and my views have not altered.
Given that the article is a drama meant to expose the lies from the truths, I chose to write in an informal style.
I am not sure if there are other DJ’s out there, but I confirm that most of the comments under that name belong to me.
Peace.
Greetings Denzel Joy in the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ…
Hope you are kept safe in the Mighty Arm of Our Father GOD (My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. John 10 :29)
If you would remember i have been asking and waiting to hear the testimony of God’s saving hand in your life out of TPM clutch…
But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. (Psalms 22: 19-22)
Share us what the Lord God has done so that we may see His work and praise Him along with you
You that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.(Psalms 22:23-25)
“You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”(Rev 4:11)
Amen…
DJ dear for your confirmation. So do I . Essentially none of us knew each other, but through our spirits we communicate with other.So soft and smooth our spirits are that even if we encounter an iota of TENSE moment we get easily agitated,
I am extremely sorry for my wrong reading of your psyche when you clarified RPD. You used the word –incantation–The dictionary meaning goes like this; ritual recitation of magic words or sounds. That means certain words are being used to create a magic spell. How does it sound for you if a magic is used on the children of God?It will not have any effect at all. Because the all powerful Jesus is there them. While I do not wish to go into the details of who was the brainchild of RPD, and who was his original guru,the very’magical spell’ does not find a way in the truest sense of realm of love of God. Jesus never taught nor ever used this kind of antics while preaching to the common /learned people. That is the reason why any kind of magic or magical spell must be immediately brought under category of different kinds of witchcraft. I refrain making any further comments leaving the rest to your wise counsel.
Let me site a simple example of ‘magic spell’ of telling certain words.We need to mark them those who lengthen or rather drag the word ‘Hallelluya’ with an uncharacteristic style of saying Halleluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuya, (why should we spell a word that does not need at all to spell that way?.Probably it may create a feeling of magical spell in the minds of people).We must immediately mark it as a marketing strategy.Yes,a kind of ‘magical’ tone is being forced on the audience.In this CULT organisation, there are many workers/centre in-charges that have been addicted to this kind of magic spells by different means.They want to bring down heaven or at least they try to create a FEELING or FEEL GOOD FACTOR by dragging the words in such a manner as to create /attract the attention of audience.Last year, I witnessed a centre incharge (name withheld -but known believers can easily identify him)in the TELUGU states uttered Hallelula by dragging it so long as if he was indulging in a ‘breathing exercise.’
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Very good observation and explanation .
I was wondering why the ministers off-late started requesting the congregation to confess all their life to the minister to live a transparent life. How to find genuine servants of God as nowadays not all ministers could be trusted. He goes on to say that those ministers who confesses to their leaders (centre pastors) can be trustable.
By giving all our things to leaders (servants of God), will they take this as an opportunity to puppet us or is this Biblical to confess all our life to God and church leaders?
Don’t be duped. They have misused the confessions in the past and they will do it in the future. If you have any sin in your life you can confess to the Lord.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
You will also have to confess the sin to the particular person against whom you have committed it or Offended a person…This is in line with John 15:21
But Never do the mistake of confessing it to a Third Person who is generally a WOLF IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING…Many Family has been broken because of such UNWISE confessions.
As far as Confession to a human is concerned, The bible says it in one place where the Elders have to confess his sins to other elders. This is to be done for the healing of the sick. Do you now know why nobody is healed in TPM?
Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord.
……..Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
James 5:14,16
TPM Ministers will make it look like the sickness is due to the individual’s sin. But this verse is proof that it could be because of the elders. You can never expect a TPM Minister to confess his sins to you. They keep claiming to be zion angels who are dropped from heaven to our midst.
Truly this verse ( James 5:14,15 which had been repeatedly quoted in this site) is again reiterated by ADMIN only to strengthen our basics right.
NEVER EVER CONFESS YOUR ISSUES TO THE SO CALLED SAINTS or any other men ,
a 5 minute prayer to our Saviour does the magic .
Pas. Paul’s life history. —–The 17 points translation work completed.ADMIN is in possession (TELUGU&ENGLISH versions) of the 17 points that are purported to be extracted from the life history of Pas.Paul. While the original language Malayalam,or/ Tamil or/ Simhala ,used by Pas. Paul was not known to me , a literal
translation attempt from TELUGU to English version made. So after giving some
necessary overlapping effect that is bound to happen from language to language translation, please take the spirit behind the statement of each of the 17 points whether it is really emanated from Pas. Paul’s life or not.In this present age, anything cooking is not ruled out,as we often hear that Pas. Paul’s life history was also tampered by the CULT system only to meet their ends safe. Request ADMIN and his TEAM to take their own time and investigate whether any alteration was done from original manuscript of his life story.
Psalms 124 has a great revelation on me daily as I go through it.Through all the 8 verses, have a profound effect on me , I am being comforted by the last 3 verses in every moment of my life.Especially when I was deeply mired with the CULT movement for more 2 and half decades, this Psalm helped me open my eyes of understanding,and come out of the snare. This site has has doubly helped me to get to know many things that are going around the fake homes and helped me to realize those error filled doctrines.I thought I was snared in a big net.That net contains many LIES & HYPOCRACIES WAY OF LIFE,USURPING JESUS AND TEACHING WRONG DOCTRINES,THAT THEY ARE MORE THAN THE SAVIOUR JESUS.HENCE BELIEVE US. SNATCHING THE POOR SHEEP FROM OTHER FELLOWSHIP AND BRINGING THEM INTO THE MIRY CLAY”
But thanks God helped me realize where exactly my footsteps are.If some one says TPM is 99.99% perfect then that is purely the human perception,but in the sight of God,that 99.99% was not matched with the WORD spoken in the scriptures.There is still a large amount of variation found in it. Late Pas. Don Spiers never accepted this theory of 99.99% perfection, and live with 0.01 % imperfection.He reiterated that God does not exempt even 0.001 % of imperfection why to talk about 0.01% .
6.Blessed be the LORD,who hath not given us as a prey to their teeth.
7.Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers:the snare broken,and we are escaped.
8.Our help is in the name of the LORD,who made heaven and earth”
Note the Scripture when it says –“our soul is escaped,and we are escaped”That means on both fronts we are meant to be escaped.