Harlot Mother’s Control over TPM’s Eschatology

That’s right. TPM is already controlled by the Mother Harlot Mystery Babylon. Don’t believe it? Read on. Many articles in future will also expound on this aspect.

Eschatology is an important branch of biblical theology. Sacred pages have devoted a phenomenal amount of text for the second coming of Jesus and associated apocalyptical events. From the second epistle of Paul to Thessalonians, we understand that eschatology was one area, where the enemy was planning to attack. Paul says that concerning “coming of our Lord Jesus” and “our gathering together with him (our being caught up)” – let no man deceive you (II Thess. 2:1-3).  This means there were false eschatological teachings even in those days.

All places in the Bible with a warning not to be Deceived, is connected with End time events.

In our previous article, “Did Jesus and his Apostles believe in Secret Coming -1” we labored to show you that the second coming of Jesus cannot be a secret event. It ought to be a grand event. Archangel will announce, the coming of the Messiah with the shout of the trumpet.  Christ is the bridegroom appearing to take his bride. He is not coming to elope secretly, like how TPM workers elope with young girls and boys.  Secret eloping takes place only when couple fears societal pressure. However, in case of Christ and his bride, there is no such need for secrecy. Having begun thus, I’ll clear the purpose of this article right at the outset.  The purpose of this article is to make you aware of the conspiracy from which the secret rapture theory evolved.

Do you know early Church Fathers did not believe in any of the modern eschatological terms including the Secret Rapture? 

Do you know the Secret Rapture Theory which is taught in TPM is a Product of Satanic Deception started by Roman Catholic Church and Propagated by J N Darby?

Some Historical Lessons

After the Reformation, Protestant churches began to spread like wildfire.  During this period, John Foxes wrote his “Foxes book of Martyrs.”.  People began to preach against antichrist and Roman Catholic Church. Pages of history revealed Catholic Church as a fulfillment of mysterious harlot of Revelation 17. Men like Luther and Knox claimed that it was the Catholic Church itself who was to be the Antichrist. This hurt Catholic Church beyond limits. It was like adding oil to the fire ignited by reformation.  Click Here to see why RC church is considered as the Mother Harlot of Revelation 17. Catholic Church then decided to counter-attack. They launched what is known as Catholic Reformation or Counter-Reformation.  Council of Trent and Fifth Lateran Council took place took during these days. Fifth Lateran Council made a ban on the publishing of books and also prohibited preaching on Antichrist. The declaration said, They are in no way to ……. to preach  ……. the Coming of ANTI-CHRIST or the precise day; ……….”.

The Jesuits, or Societas Iesu, was started when Ignatius of Loyola got six young men together and started their own monastic order in 1534. Pope Paul III put his stamp of approval on the whole idea six years later. They then went on to become one of the most vicious organizations ever devised by man. Heinrich Himmler, the founder and head of the German Gestapo, credits the Jesuits as being the model for his organization.

With such a powerful tool in the hands of the Pope, it is easy to see why the Pope would order the Jesuits to destroy the Protestant Reformation and all other forms of Christianity. The Jesuits took over the Office of the Inquisition. They penetrated and subverted every political institution in Europe, as well as any and all religious institutions. In fact, they became so successful, the monarchies of Europe pressured the Pope to disband them – which he did, in 1773. But, like a really bad case of cancer, they came roaring back.

And, they wrote books.

In the late 1500s, two Jesuits, Francisco Ribera, and Roberto Bellarmino came to the Pope’s rescue and created a new Roman Catholic doctrine called Futurism, or Jesuit Futurism. Basically, Jesuit Futurism just says that the Roman Catholic Church can’t possibly have anything to do with the Antichrist. Of course, they wrote it in Latin, which kept it from being a ‘best seller’.

Along comes Chilean-born Manuel Lacunza, a Jesuit priest who found himself with too much time on his hands, because he’d been defrocked. (Remember that part about the Pope disbanding the Jesuits in 1773?) Lacunza built on the ideas of Ribera and Bellarmino by adding that all the good Christians (i.e., Catholics) would be resurrected BEFORE the Antichrist. However, he said that after this ‘rapture’, the Roman Catholic Church would side with the Antichrist.

Harlot Mother's Control over TPM

The Pope liked it, except for the last bit, so he banned it.

Undeterred, Lacunza chose to write in Spanish and publish under the name Rabbi Juan Josafat ben-Ezra. Of course, someone else could have chosen that name, since the book came out in 1811, ten years after he died. Whatever the case, the book gained popularity throughout Spain and eventually wound up in the hands of a Scottish Presbyterian, Edward Irving.

For Irving, it was love at first cite. In fact, he was so taken with the book that he promptly took up the study of Castilian Spanish so that he could translate the book into English. His translation was published in 1827 as “The Coming of the Messiah”. The name ‘Edward Irving’ might sound familiar because he is one of the fore-runners of the Charismatic and Pentecostal movements.

The famous Margaret MacDonald, whose vision(s) created a massive sensation throughout Scotland and Great Britain in 1830, was a member of Irving’s congregation.

Also in 1830, it appears that Irving started preaching that the Rapture will occur in two stages – a secret one before the Antichrist and a public one at the end of the Great Tribulation. The question of which came first, Margaret MacDonald’s vision or Irving’s teaching, gets a little more difficult to figure out.

John Nelson Darby, was 30 when news of what was going on hit the headlines. He did his own investigation into the matter and incorporated what he saw into something called Dispensationalism. He also made his own translation of the bible which some say is deliberately biased towards his Dispensationalist views and the theory of the pretribulation rapture. Darby visited the US six times between 1859 and 1874, preaching Dispensationalism and the pretribulation rapture. He also spent much time preaching in Europe, developing a reputation as an interpreter of Bible prophecy.

All this and more impressed the man that would be the biggest promoter of the Secret Rapture: Cyrus Ingerson Scofield. Scofield, a Kansas lawyer, published the first edition of his famous Scofield Reference Bible in 1909. By 1930, more than one million copies of his Bible were in print.

At this point, it was all over. Literally.

By placing his commentary of the Bible within the Bible itself, he essentially elevated his own thoughts on the Bible to be almost as important as the Bible itself. Whether this was intentional, or not, is immaterial. The fact is that his errors instantaneously became legitimate in the eyes of everyone who read his bible.

With the advent of the Scofield Bible, seminaries became major proponents of the Jesuit Pretribulation Rapture theory.

The Alwyn Saga

This is the point where our unlearned Alwyn was trying to build up a church which can make their followers perfect. The doctrine of Perfection, what ever it meant for him needs to have some special spices. So he took the JN Darby logic and superimposed his satanic dreams to create a TPM Eschatology which is expounded in TPM Publications and their sermons.

Three Challenges

So, now that you know the shaky foundations of this theory, why not take a moment and look at the Bible itself.

  • Try to find ANY reference to a ‘Secret Rapture’ in the Bible. You cannot.
  • Try to find ANY reference in the Bible to a Rapture before Jesus returns. You cannot.
  • Try to find ANY reference in the Bible for a 7 Year Tribulation, You cannot.

Some points for TPM believers to Ponder

What are the Last Days

TPM ministers and believers think that we are living in last days. This is the most common subject in almost all special Bible studies conducted in TPM. Some preachers (like Teju) get hold of the internet and collect some interesting news. Then they present a little bit of science and mix it with end days. The bible study then becomes a big hit! Workers (especially sisters and illiterate brothers) then begin to distribute the CD recordings of End Times science study to each other. People pass the fire for few days by saying “Coming of Lord is so near we have to get ready.. …antichrist is on its way & we must be caught up before he comes … America has prepared chip with 666 and so on and on.” This keeps happening every year. Are we saying that he is wrong? No! We just want to you to begin thinking rightly. The “end time” days actually began on the day of Pentecost. Peter stood up and said, “….this was that which was spoken by Prophet Joel, “in the LAST DAYS I will pour out my spirit… (Acts 2:17).” Peter was essentially saying that the LAST DAYS according to Holy Bible began during his time onwards. This proves that apostles of Jesus themselves were in the last days. Again the writer of Hebrews confirms, “Hath IN THESE LAST DAYS spoken unto us by his Son…..” Therefore dear TPM believers and ministers, begin to think rightly. Eschatology is all about last days, and therefore if you have a wrong understanding of what “last days” means then everything will go haywire.

What does TPM Say?What does the Bible Say?
We are in last days. The idea is that 21st century is last days.Last Days began after the resurrection of Jesus

Tribulation of the Church

TPM ministers preach that antichrist is going to appear anytime. Only the perfected TPM believers and saints will go in the rapture. The left behind ones will have to suffer tribulation under hands of the Anti-Christ. Well dear brothers and sister of TPM, get some books on the history of Christendom and begin flipping its pages. Church has suffered much beyond that which words can describe. You people think you are the only church and since you people live in all your comforts, tribulation is yet to take place. Brothers and sisters, it is here again we have our ideas all wrong.

This kind of thinking is our imagination which has no basis on scriptures. If last days according to scriptures (not according to your perspective) did begin during times of apostles, then tribulation ought also to have begun in those days. Read for example what the writer of Hebrews says, “ye endured a great fight of afflictions (Hebrews 10:32).” Again he says, “ye were made a gazing stock both by reproaches and afflictions (Heb 10:33)… ” And again, “Ye…joyfully took the spoiling of your goods (Heb 10:34).” Acts 8:1-3 says “at that time there was a great persecution against the church….” (See Galatians 3:4, Rev 2:9-10). Also, have a peek at what is happening around us to other Christians. Just because you are enjoying chicken curry & mutton biryani, it does not mean tribulation for Christians is yet to begin.  Begin to think according to scriptures and not according to what your TPM apostles teach.

In Case you do not have tribulation …It just means that Satan is Happy for you. (2 Tim 3:12)

What does TPM Say?What does Bible Say
Tribulation for Christians is yet to begin. It may begin anytime from now. It will begin after secret rapture and last for literal 7 years.Tribulation for Church began in first century itself during the days of apostles.
There will be a Split of 3.5 years Tribulation and next 3.5 years Great Tribulation.There is no split of a Tribulation and a Great Tribulation according to the Bible. There will be a Great Tribulation (Meaning Worldwide) for all True Christians just Before the coming of the Lord. And you ain't escaping it if you are alive. (Matt 24:21)

Conclusion

What we are essentially saying is that be not deluded in thinking secret rapture theory was a deeper mystery revealed to TPM saints. It was actually a design of mother harlot church to divert people’s attention away from her as the woman in scarlet riding on the beast of Roman Empire. Don’t take words of TPM saints as law from Zion and word from Jerusalem. Begin searching for yourself what is truth and what is not. May God bless you!


Some parts were taken from Omega shock

35 Comments on “Harlot Mother’s Control over TPM’s Eschatology”

  1. Goodness ! This is lot of information. I didn’t receive any such knowledge while I was in Tpm. I have heard so many last days Bible studies, in tpm but none told me that secret rapture, and 7 years literal tribulation is Roman Catholic Jesuit theology, which was devised to cover antichrisrian papacy. I think Roman Cstholic TU Thomas used to use Scofield Bible. May be I am wrong.

    Good work admin.




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    1. Its so beautiful that you have gove n the props to early church fathers i.e till 2nd century which a lot of people seem to forget.The people who were pupils of Christs disciples.




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  2. I think this Ignatius loyala the founder of Jesuits was venerated as saint by Catholic Church. He was soldier in military and got wounded, and prayed to God for healing, and said that if healed he would surrender to ministry. (Sounds similar to healing which tpm minister’s receive when they too promise God that they will serve tpm ministry if healed). Loyal got healed and then he entered Catholic Church as minister and formed Society of Jesuits.




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  3. Good one! As much as all the historical context provided is true, we should also see that almost 90% of Christians believe in a 7-year tribulation period. 70 weeks of Daniel’s prophecy, the 42-weeks of peaceful reign of the Antichrist and further 42-weeks of tribulations, etc. are all interpreted likewise. I have seen even the most reliable of online sources agreeing to a pre-trib rapture. My personal opinion is a post-trib though. However, I comfort in this that the rapture theology is not essential for salvation as much as faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross for our salvation. But indeed, it’s a controversial part of theology, if I must say. Some links for your reference.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/tribulation.html
    https://www.endtime.com/ask-irvin/seven-year-tribulation/
    https://bible.org/illustration/events-tribulation-period
    http://www.remnantofgod.org/7yr-trib.htm This is slightly different from others.

    One of my friends told me this, when other churches are teaching on how to live your life here on earth, tpm is busy teaching its subjects how to live your life in eternity! 😀

    Please share your views.




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    1. The Seven Year Tribulation is part of the conspiracy by Mike Lacunza Which we will explain it later. It all happens when you do not read the scriptures by your self.
      The purpose of 70 Weeks was fulfilled in Jesus. Check out Daniel 9:24. Tell me what part of 9:24 is pending from God’s Side?

      Now Go to Verse 26, It says “And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,”. Remember, that this Section of “Threescore and Two weeks” were after the initial seven weeks(vs 25).So it means AFTER 69 Weeks Messiah will be cut off. What is the Week AFTER 69 Weeks? It is the 70th Week. In that 70th Week, Messiah was cut off. This prophecy is already a fulfilled one.


      Pre-Trib, does not have any Scriptural Basis, it’s just Darby Story.




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      1. Almost all preaching is about end days,tribulation,antichrist and old testament.The sermon is totally on fear,not about the love of Jesus ,his sacrifice.Mercy and Love.All about damnation and giving more and more money to these cheats.




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        1. Yes very less sermons on NT .. i thought am i the one noticed that … i think same story all over the world ..




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        2. tpm preaches on tribulation like they are the ones who first saw this concept as well as dispensation. We even had a picture of that dispensation chart at home. However these people are still busy buying more buildings around the world despite telling their believers not to buy property. I myself have been in sermons where they said not to buy property and to live as Rechabites in the bible because Jesus was coming back soon and there was not point to buy property. Hypocrisy at it best once again.




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      2. @admin One doubt :-
        Daniel 9:27 says “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week : and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate”

        Daniel 12:11 says “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days”

        My understanding so far was the week refering to in above verses is 70th week ..
        My question is around the term “abomination that maketh desolate”

        In Mathew 24:15 Jesus refers to Daniel and says about one sign ” When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place”

        I got this doubt as you mentioned Daniels 70-week is fulfilled . Is the above sign fulfilled by AD 70?




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        1. Brother,
          A comprehensive reply would not be possible in a comment column as that would mean to display some Hebrew words and long Hebrew constructs and its meanings.
          There is two dominant view on this among the scholars. And both of them does not mention of any 7 Year “Tribulation”. But some Pre-tribbers have constructed it to be a 7-year “tribulation“.


          A Short explanation:
          in Dan 9:27 there is a usage of the word זֶבַ ח (Zebakh) which means Sacrifice and that Got Stopped after the Messiah got cut off. This happened after the temple veil was rent. Later on, this was established the event where Romans came and Caused Destruction.
          in Dan 12:11 the usage is הוּסַ ר הַ תָּ מִ יד (Hushoor Ha Tamid) which means an establishment of the Anti Christ being set up. This is the passage which Christ and Paul were referring to(not the earlier one). The Hebrew word Hushoor Ha Tamid can also be said as Apostasia. We will be explaining this coming of the Anti Christ in a Later Chapter.




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        2. Though my original doubt was not related to ceasing is Sacrifices during 70th week , let me clarify a few things myself about that first before i go to my original doubt:-

          Do you say word “zebah ( Zebakh )” in Dan:9:27 refers to sacrifice where as the “Hushoor Ha Tamid” in 12:11 means establishment of AC ? So these two verses are two different incidents ? If i understand your response correctly, according to you Dan 9:27 fullfilled by AD70 and Dan 12:11 is yet to be fulfilled and Jesus referred to that Dan12:11?

          ( I saw Hushoor ( hū·sar) has meanings like abolished / cut-off etc .& Ha Tamid (hat·tā·mîd) has meanings like continuous / regular sacrifices . So Here in Dan 12:11 the term “Hushoor Ha Tamid”….. doesnt it have a direct meaning of “cut-off regular sacrifices” same as in the case of 9:27 ( yas-bit zeb-ah u-mi.nn-ah) ??

          Now my original doubt..As i said before in my first comment , my question is around the term “abomination that maketh desolate” , which is the second part of Dan 9:27 .

          Dan 9:27 “and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate” ===> mə·šō·mêm šiq·qū·ṣîm
          Dan 12:11 “and the abomination that maketh desolate set up” ===> šō·mêm šiq·qūṣ ..

          Both verses has the reference of the term/phrase which i have doubt with . Also In both places the 3 1/2 years reference too there .
          Dan 9:27 – “and in the midst of the week he shall cause…”
          Daniel 12:11 ” …..there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days”
          Dan 12:7 “…….ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half……”

          This is the whole reason for my doubt that, could these two passages refers to one incident , and Jesus refers to this incident in Math 24:15 and which is supposed to be getting fulfilled later ?




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        3. I got your point. As both the duration seems to be the same one(3.5 yrs), it is quite natural to assume both as the same. However, they are not.
          The First instance is the Messiah Cut off causing all sacrifices and Oblations to cease before God. Heb 10.
          Now There is a 3.5 years which was remaining in that Week. The last 3.5 Years were completed at Stephen’s Death and the Gospel went out of Israel to the Gentiles. This brought an end of the commitment in Matthew 15:24 and expanded the scope to the Gentiles.
          Ha-Tamid means Permanently Turned away, which is the base also for Apostasia. This is basically saying that the Abomination will be Established in the Most Holy Place.

          The 9:27 was basically about putting a stop of sacrifices and then a Future coming Prince to destroy the temple and the city making it desolate.


          There is no reason to assume that the Last week was left out to be fulfilled in some time in distant future(after 2000 years) even after the completion of Dan 9:24 for which the 70 weeks were determined. The Scripture does not support such a break.
          BTW. It is a common mistake to add “Tribulation” to the Daniel weeks. Do you see any such additions in Daniel? Then how come people add a “TRIBULATION” to the Daniel Weeks?




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        4. @admin

          If i understood your response correctly, 70th week completed completely by Stephens death.. AD 34 ( or around ) where as the incident of Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70 (which is a part of the same passage/verse ) is not part of 70 week period. Am i right ?

          1) In Dan 9:26 , ….and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary ” … I believe this is destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 . correct me if wrong please.
          Who is the people of prince ( or even the prince ) referred to ?
          In Dan 9:25 its mentioned messiah the prince . Are both “prince” same ? my thought is “No, they are different ( 9:26 prince is not Messiah )

          Could this 9:26 “prince” same as Dan 8:11 prince ?

          2) Keeping aside the 70 weeks of Dan 9:24-27, how about the second half of the same verse and Daniel 12:11 . Is it already full filled ?
          Dan 9:27 “and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate”
          Dan 12:11 “and the abomination that maketh desolate set up” ..

          3) Earlier sometime you mentioned “establishment of the Anti Christ being set up” .. When does this happen ?

          4) As i mentioned earlier the 3.5 years comes up in Dan 9:27, Dan 12:7, Dan 12:11 (and may be in many other versers ) , Does these 3.5 years has any connection ( direct/indirect ) with the 3.5 years mentioned in Rev 12:6 , Rev 11:2 and Rev 12:14 ?




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        5. 1) In Dan 9:26 we see 2 princes being in reference (i) Messiah The Prince and (ii) The Prince that shall come. Note the tense of the second Prince, His Historical Positioning is after the 70 Weeks (He is the COMING PRINCE – FUTURE). This Prince is the Roman Prince Titus who destroyed the Temple. But Remember that the Army was primarily of Assyrian Origin. Therefore it is assumed that the Anti Christ will be of Assyrian Origin. There are portions of the Bible indicating it(Isaiah 14:25, Isaiah 10:5,6; Micah 5:5,6). Therefore Both the Princes are Not Same.

          2) This is primarily a prophecy for Jerusalem as mentioned in Vs 24. Abomination is what happens when you reject your God Publicly and Side with the Devil. This happened with the Jewish People. You can read about it in Matt 23:37-39


          37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”…


          But in Dan 12:11, there is not Just a Rejection as was with Jesus, but an Acceptance of the Anti Christ figure in Place of God over the already existing Rejection.

          3) This Anti Christ Setup will happen before our Very Eyes. I mean before Christ Comes. This would happen in the end of days. This is What Jesus Mentioned in Matt 24:15 and Paul Mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. WE WILL SEE THAT HAPPEN If we are ALIVE DURING THAT TIME.

          4) Yes, these 3.5 years are correlating with the passages of Revelation.




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        6. //Yes, these 3.5 years are correlating with the passages of Revelation.//

          a) With above explanations , i think 3.5 years passages in Revelation has correlation to Dan 12:7 and Dan 12:11 3.5 years and not to Dan9:27. right ??

          b) Is this Dan 12:11 refers to same event of Daniel 8:11 ?




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        7. a) Right
          b)Dan 8:11 is also pointing to Anti Christ because of the reference to stars falling along with the abomination installation(Anti Christ is Satan incarnated within Man). This is quite parallel to Rev 12. Read Dan 8:17,19, Clearly Gabriel is saying this happens in the End Times.

          However, There are theologians who say this is a Double Fulfilment Prophecy of which One instance was fulfilled during Antiochus Ephipanus Time.




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        8. Considering Dan 8:11 as in End times ( keeping aside Antiochus Ephipanus Time for a while ), what would be the 2300 days signifying to ?

          Also its says about the horn 8:11 “it magnified itself, even to the prince of the host; and it took away from him the continual burnt-offering”
          Where could this be happening ? Is it in the temple in Jerusalem ? Will the temple be re-built and worship already started by this time ?




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        9. The Question is
          How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
          The answer is 2300.

          We have to wait and see what is this 2300 days as Gabriel did not explain the days in the meaning which he gave in the same chapter. Now, in this case, my guess is as good as yours. We all can have our own opinion.
          Unlike our TPM Clergy, we need not be dogmatic on those numbers. I guess that these are the number of days the Temple will be there on earth in a functional state.




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        10. Just my thought ..
          “Shouldn’t the Church-the Temple of God which is presently in earth be removed from this earth before the worship is started in rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem “. Haven’t seen two Temples at the same time in earth . ( Sorry , again this is just my thought and don’t have any proof to support this . I got this into my mind because starting from Tabernacle time i haven’t read about more than one Temples co-existing /functional on earth )




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        11. If that was so, should not have been the early temple be destroyed in AD 30 instead of AD 70?
          Please understand that a physical building is no more considered as temple for God..What happens in the end times just proves that God does not dwell in buildings made with hands..Whatever they will build, will not be dwelled by God, but by Anti Christ impersonating as God.




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    2. Post tribulation seems most convincing to me too! If Church is present in this world from 1st century itself, if last days began from 1st century itself (I Pet 1:20, Heb 1:2, 9:26, Acts 2:17), if tribulation came to people of 1st century and continues since then (Heb 10:32-34, Gal 3:4, Acts 8), and if spirit of Anti-Christ is present in world from first century itself (1 John 4:3), then why should there be literal 7 years tribulation, for those people who did not follow rules and regulations of TPM apostles of 21st century?




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  4. Admin,
    Would like to clarify some doubts after reading these two- three articles which are posted refuting “Rapture” ?
    First of all let me be very clear to tell I am writing this NOT to start a debate .

    1) Do you really believe or think this is the teaching exclusive of TPM/CPM?
    As someone commented before 90% Christians believes in Rapture & Tribulation & Millennium etc .
    As far as i know many Pentecostal denominations like India Pentecostal Church ( IPC ) , Church of God (FG) In India , Assemblies of God etc ( Just quoted some names which i am familiar with ; many more are there ) has the same teaching/doctrine.
    I believe you know this fact already and do agree with this AND still trying to project this as TPM exclusive teaching & blame them for this doctrine which is still followed by many Churches.
    It is a Good thing to bring out good teachings and expose false teachings , but please don’t hide the facts . Instead of “What TPM says” in the above article i believe its appropriate to put “What majority of Pentecostals says” ……makes sense ??

    2) Article says There is no split of a Tribulation and a Great Tribulation according to the Bible.  & “Tribulation for Church began in first century itself during the days of apostles”. This implies, mentioning a span for tribulation (example “7 year” period of Trib/Great Trib ) is not biblical? Is it ? Correct me if i am wrong .

    3) Why I believe in “Rapture before 7 years of Tribulation/Great Tribulation” ? [ NB : Below Logical reasons are exclusively MY faith, not a teaching / doctrine. ( As i said i am NOT writing this for a debate; Let our respective faiths save us.

    a) I am the Body of Christ and I believe my head ( Jesus ) won’t hate me and leave me to be tormented & killed by AntiChrist , as it is said “For no man ever yet hated his own flesh ..…..even as the Lord the church”.

    b) I am the bride of Christ Jesus as i have been betrothed to Jesus Christ . I personally don’t believe that my bridegroom is that much cruel enough to leave me in this earth to be persecuted and raped and or killed by AntiChrist and later come and “marry” me .
    c) God hath not appointed me to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

    To say in short “Rapture” & Escaping 7 year tribulation is my Hope and Faith. Let our respective faiths save us.




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    1. Brother,
      Thank you for the comments. Let me reply to each point


      Point 1
      1) Do you really believe or think this is the teaching exclusive of TPM/CPM?
      As someone commented before 90% Christians believes in Rapture & Tribulation & Millennium etc .
      As far as i know many Pentecostal denominations like India Pentecostal Church ( IPC ) , Church of God (FG) In India , Assemblies of God etc ( Just quoted some names which i am familiar with ; many more are there ) has the same teaching/doctrine.
      I believe you know this fact already and do agree with this AND still trying to project this as TPM exclusive teaching & blame them for this doctrine which is still followed by many Churches.
      It is a Good thing to bring out good teachings and expose false teachings , but please don’t hide the facts . Instead of “What TPM says” in the above article i believe its appropriate to put “What majority of Pentecostals says” ……makes sense ??


      My Answers
      Absolutely agree that similar teachings are all over the World. This is in general called the “Pre-Tribulation” Rapture Theory.
      However, TPM’s theory is not the general one. TPM has an exclusive Hybrid even from that general. Whereas all others Believe that Saved Christians will Go in the Rapture. TPM Has made the second classification and says Not So. They say ONLY The ones that are Perfected according to the Apostolic Doctrine will Go in that Rapture. So How can I categorize all of other Pentecostals with this interpretation?
      Moreover, Many of the Pentecostals as of now are moving away from the Pre Trib Secret rapture theory. They have started embracing the Biblical Stand of Post-Trib. Very Soon Officially IPC will announce a change. I have enough of proof for that. They have accepted that they were deceived in this matter. Many of AG and COG pastors are teaching the correct explanation now. Soon they will also come around.

      Another Important Point. This site is focussing on TPM exclusively. It’s not a generic site. So articles will point for facts of TPM even though similar things are followed outside.
      Do you know that Jehovah’s witness also lay Claim to 144000 of Zion? Therefore, I will not dilute my point to add them when discussing TPM Zion. So friend, Even if others follow the wrong doctrine, I will focus on TPM Only in this Site.




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      1. Sorry I didnt know that all other Pentecostal denominations (at least ) which i mentioned before ( IPC/COG/AG ..) believe and teaches that all Saved Christians will Go in the Rapture . Are you sure ?May be it would be good to see if they have a different definition of getting “Saved” ?
        I personally doubt if these Pentecostal churches indeed teach as u said !!
        According to Rom 10:9 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
        If this is indeed their definition and still they teach all Saved Christians will go in Rapture.. not sure why they have to teach WaterBaptism/Holy Spirit / Lord’s Table etc.. etc ….. All these are there in the statement of faith of these churches.

        So far my understanding is the core difference between teachings of these churches and TPM is around Rev 12 ( Woman and Manchild ) , Rev 14 (144000 in Zion – Zion for Servants of Lord ) and Habitations in eternity.




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        1. Brother,
          Unlike other TPMers who think they should not or cannot be talking to other Pentecostals, I am not like that. I abhor the division of the body of Christ caused by these mean minded clergy. I go all out and talk with all Christians and love them. So whether you doubt or not is immaterial to me. I have shared what I have known. I would also acknowledge there are variations of interpretations among many. What I have said are the Majority and official viewpoint.


          As far as your understanding that the difference is only in Rev 12 and Rev 14, You are in a blind. In reality, all TPM Specific Doctrines are from the Pit of Hell and cannot be accepted by any straight minded Christian.




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    2. Brother,


      Your Points
      2) Article says There is no split of a Tribulation and a Great Tribulation according to the Bible. & “Tribulation for Church began in first century itself during the days of apostles”. This implies, mentioning a span for tribulation (example “7 year” period of Trib/Great Trib ) is not biblical? Is it ? Correct me if i am wrong .

      3) Why I believe in “Rapture before 7 years of Tribulation/Great Tribulation” ? [ NB : Below Logical reasons are exclusively MY faith, not a teaching / doctrine. ( As i said i am NOT writing this for a debate; Let our respective faiths save us.

      a) I am the Body of Christ and I believe my head ( Jesus ) won’t hate me and leave me to be tormented & killed by AntiChrist , as it is said “For no man ever yet hated his own flesh ..…..even as the Lord the church”.

      b) I am the bride of Christ Jesus as i have been betrothed to Jesus Christ . I personally don’t believe that my bridegroom is that much cruel enough to leave me in this earth to be persecuted and raped and or killed by AntiChrist and later come and “marry” me .
      c) God hath not appointed me to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

      To say in short “Rapture” & Escaping 7 year tribulation is my Hope and Faith. Let our respective faiths save us.


      My Response
      Point No. 2 – Yes you are right regarding my stand.

      Point No. 3. – Brother do you think God works according to our Logic? If that was so, I guess the early apostles and the Church for the initial 300 years should not have been going through much persecution.
      Are they not part of the Bride? Think over.. You think that you can sit in your cushy chair and enjoy a 9-5 job and go to an institutional church and God will come and take you to be his bride. Where do you get this Logic, Brother?
      Is God UNJUST to let you and few People of Modern age enter unscathed when his dearest apostles and the church of the early ages were tortured, beaten, Killed, Fed to lion, Burned at the Stakes? Brother, Read Your Bible…
      At least Read Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 and see when is Jesus Coming?
      Do you think Your Logic will override Matt 24:29-31?
      Do you think Paul was under some effect of Drugs to write 2 Timothy 3:12?

      Brother Think again…Your Logic will lead you to Destruction…Oh yes..Please continue to read this series, we will answer most of your questions.




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      1. People have no clue about the didache,early church fathers and martyrs like Ignatius and Peter and Paul.They will selectively ignore many past truths but will say many other outside biblical facts and claim it theirs.The sermons of many tpm clergy on youtube is a joke please listen.There are authentic letters of early church fathers till 2nd century.Nobody bothers.The shocking fact most people dont know.The Bible was put together in 300 a.d.Please research and see who put it together.Definitely npt tpm.




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        1. Yes Didache 16:8 – 16:17 proves clearly the teachings of the REAL APOSTLES OF CHRIST.
          It smashes TPM’s Eschatology to Smithereens.




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      2. Any thought about ” Why would have Jesus told like this “?
        “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. ” Luke 21:36 ?

        “you might have strength to escape (ekphygein = flee out /away or escape ) ”
        am i missing something ?




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        1. It shows that the time of the end will be a very perilous time. We will have to be really watchful and prayerful to come out of that unscathed.


          For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matt 24:24


          If Jesus was coming to take us all before the Great Tribulation time of the end, he need not warn us, we all would have already been raptured and having a nice time in heaven.
          Remember in this context, the Word is Escape and Not Avoid. It should be likened to Escape from the Prison. We cannot Escape from the Prison without First being in it.




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    3. @I love Jesus
      Admin has well answered all your points. I’ll try to help you in brief from my side

      @ your 3rd point.
      Read the words of Jesus, in John 15.:20,21
      …servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; ……. But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake..

      @ // I am the Body of Christ and I believe my head ( Jesus ) won’t hate me and leave me to be tormented & killed by AntiChrist , as it is said “For no man ever yet hated his own flesh ..…..even as the Lord the church”. //
      @//escaping persecution //

      Read the Acts 5:40-41 and see difference in your attitude and the attitude of first century Church.

      Acts 5:40-41
      And …… when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. And they departed … rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.

      @ God has not appointed us unto wrath …
      You have taken this verse out of context. This is I Thess. 5:9,10
      Wrath in this verse speaks about wrath of God, not the wrath of antiChrist. Context here is salvation from wrath of God by death of Jesus on cross. Read the verse 10 in continuance to verse 9.




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      1. They (disciples) rejoiced thinking that God has counted them worthy to suffer for his name and you people say, God will not let me be tormented through antiChrist.




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