We are in receipt of few mails written by TPM Believers in Delhi to the TPM Chiefs last week. As usual we do not expect any change to happen in TPM. At most, some transfers can be expected so that these saints can continue their lecherous ways in new places. We do not want to explain further as the mails are pretty self descriptive of the happenings in the organization. We have not made any editing and is posting it as we received it. Please ignore the spelling mistakes and understand the content.
Mail 1 (4th Sep 2017)
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From: “TPM BELIEVERS” <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 04-Sep-2017 9:05 PM
Subject: IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR CHIEF PASTORS.
We trust that all 3 Chief Pasters will read this mail and initiate appropriate actions against those concerned.
As you might have come to know that during the past nearly 2 years, under the corrupt leadership, disobedience and prostitution has grown beyond control, in Faith-homes, and the whole Delhi Centre had witnessed certain abomination and fornication by some well known Pastors under the nose of Centre Pastor Abraham, who let them loose, with full liberty.
Pastor.Ebyson Rajan, Noida, Pastor Sam Satyaraj, Vasant kunj and Bro Immanuel, Pachim Vihar they were the 3 persons requires immediately female companions to keep as secret wife.
We, the Delhi TPM believers has collected solid proof like phone recordings, clips, photos and testimonials of certain incidents for your ready reference. In case if you need any further reference, we are happy to provide it. Apart from all these, these criminals were divided the whole church into 2 groups in order to implement Abraham’s law as Britisher did (DIVIDE AND RULE system) upon India in their regime. Giving more lift to muscle men and forming rebel groups in the Church, which is the body of Christ.
We have evidences of late night telephone calls to certain female believers and lonely single Ladies, for long flirts without Sister’s knowledge. A clear cut proof about sexual offences by Pastor Sam Satyaraj, Pastor. Ebyson Rajan both these men were otherwise ” Holier than Thou” and still giving Lord”s Table in Delhi area. Pastor Ebyson Rajan was caught red handed by the Centre Pastor, despite detained him in the central faith home for 2 weeks, but no action could be taken by Centre Pastor as Pastor Ebyson has a jack pot and with that he fought strongly back, if it breaks Lalu Abraham cannot withstand. But Bro. Immanuel in Delhi Centre, was also no less, taking the benefit of those lawlessness, he also did as much as he can and still roam around in the TPM ministry. Since these men were stood stronger and and fought back with Central Pastor Abraham, using “Pastor Braham -Ida Ruby relationship” as their strong defence point. So our learned Centre Pastor Abraham is now being tight lipped, doing spiritual eye wash by lengthy prayers, supplication and sitting like a statue in Delhi Centre.
As you are aware, now the Government is very strict, on land deals, the so called BJP led GST regime is focusing each and every murky transaction, while local administration has doubts about hard cash transactions, we would mention that the honourable M.P of Delhi Smt.Meenakshi Lekhi has already taken initiative to control all Spiritual Gurus, Babas, bishops and Religious organisations against money laundering and amassment of wealth, we are God fearing, law abiding TPM believers consisting of professionals, has been here for 30 to 45 years ,fears and doubts that if anybody give a complaint, how will Pastor Abraham manage it ? While we already have so many accusations like Pastor Kanakraj- murder case from Tuticorin and elsewhere in the country. We also had a Murder case, which was in Delhi CBI, about 10 years ago, but by the Grace of God. God protected his people because those days we the TPM believers stood unitedly, with one accord, now Pastor Abraham Lalu had spoiled the situation, every church has 2 rebel groups, all because at the end of the day Pastor Abraham wants to take the Glory from this field as he is very ambitious to be next Chief Pastor.
We, are therefore request you kindly save TPM Church from the clutches of these shrewed task masters, or question these above mentioned 3 fellows and make them flee from Delhi, otherwise, we are constrained to take legal help.
Don’t forget that this church has been built on the flesh and blood of so many Martyers. There were tears and prayers behind it. Amen. Keep this in mind.
Mail 2 (6th Sep 2017)
From: TPM BELIEVERS <email@example.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 3:27 PM
Subject: O U R R E Q U E S T
To: The Pentecostal Mission TPM <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To CHEIF PASTORS
We hope all our mails are finding you in good health and best in Spirit.
One of our TPM Brothern from North of India had informed you in September, 2016- clearly about the down-the-line violence among the TPM workers and transfers on partiality on the basis of language, colour,creed, beauty, education and personal favoritism, that mail went on saying a death of an young worker Brother called Churchill of Andhra Pradesh origin due to starvation in Delhi Centre, India under the supervision of Centre Pastor, but unfortunately Chief Pastors could not open their mouth and do anything about it. you know the reason better than anybody.
But God is great, by the second month Pastor Kanakraj has been murdered in Tutucorin by his junior Pastor, and the root cause of it was jealousy, malice, money, favoritism or Contract killing or whatever. let the truth come out. Then our Chief Pastors released the facts, by the time everything was over. We cannot brush off or hide the truth under any carpet now-a-days, the bare truth has enough potential to explode 100 times mightier than a nuclear bomb which was dropped in Hiroshima or Nagasaki towns of Japan. We hope that now you can make an assessment of the power of it.
Inspite of TPM Believer’s several reminders and repeated request to check these sort of atrocities and adultery in North Indian Faith homes, Chief Pastors kept silent, resulting that some juvenile Pastors like Pastor Nelson, Pastor Jose Mathai, Pastor Ebyson Rajan, Pastor Sam Satyaraj, Bro.Immanuel gone astray and still counting… Delhi Centre Pastor cannot touch Ebyson or Sam Satyaraj, fearing their retreat on his stories.
12 years ago one of our Brothern Bro.Kunjappan from Vasant Kunj faithfhome has been lynched (Murdered)at Chennai by TPM hitmen in cold blood. what happened to the Hydrabad Worker Sister’s body which was exhumed last month for port mortem did by Indian Police ??
These incidents are exposing the wickedness in our way of working, don’t forget that the innocent blood of Pastor Kanakraj and Churchill are crying louder than the blood of early Saints. Yes..
We understand that normally the mails are censored before reaching to your hands, we also heard that they are forwarding the same mails even to the Person about whom the allegation were made by us, kindly give strict instructions to the one who is handling this work, as we believe that we are doing a better service to our Church and helping our Saints who are honest and preparing the Church to be upright.
We are not a person, but a “SOUND” that echoed in all our Spiritual-gatherings, we love God and His people, respects Saints but injustice we hate, we will not allow any unrightousness to reign as long as we lives on earth – Amen
Kind attention : Respected Chief Pastors,
For your kowledge, we would like to inform as under:-
- As we have mentioned the convention ground purchase, We had paid and risked a huge amount out of the hard earned money of the Church, and why can’t we get a NOC, until now ? when are we getting it registered? would we be able to get it properly ???who will answer these questions ?? will anyone accountable on these financial irregularities ??.
and the whole mismanagement meted out?
We surprise that our Chief Pastors not giving any proper answer to TPM believers in Delhi, unless we act firmly during the Pastors meeting. If the Government Authorities go for RTI on land scam (old convention land – 13.5 crores and new convention land 13 crores) if a question come like where these money came from and we have to be accountable and oblige to give answer for every single penny.
Respected Pastors, the time has changed, if u proceed and processes in old style it will attracts only trouble for TPM. If u think to kick out all old believers from church, you are mistaken. Pls do the needful & think immediately means remove all old pastors, elders or brothers more than 5 years in Delhi. Otherwise the consequences will be a collateral damage that tarnish the images of TPM, the name for which so many Saints/ Martyers laid their lives.
Remove this Mr. Lallu Abraham and keep him in chennai just like Pastor Sunny George (he is d cp of Thrissur). People know the each and everything now, if any of the believers give complaint about sexual abusing and money laundering (thousands of cases v know from last 28 years all irregularities come with it’s page of HT and Times of India think about it.
Remove this type double standard pastors or elders from Delhi and save TPM church in Delhi.
Ask pastor chacko about any believers who was in Delhi earlier, he may be still remember everyone.
As we already informed you, Lalu Abraham forget TPH Doctrine when his favourite people has a marriage in idol worshiping church, sometimes he loves candle sticks burning, he behaves like a TPM Pope giving permission to forget TPM Doctrine like Gandhi ji broke British law in Gujarat by making salt by himself and became an example to the TPM new generation. If tomorrow, any believer wanted to get his son or daughter married from their don’t try to preach to us.
- We had purchased land for Noida faith home and made temporary shed forSunday meeting, but neither Delhi Centre Pastor supported us nor visited us except for one time i.e. on 25/08/2017 without informing anybody and attendedSunday service there, he keeps the grudge with Noida believers, and his attitude towards Noida is hostile,
we never ever had such a cruel person as Centre Pastor in Delhi before. Pastor Ebyson Rajan, whose reputation as a spiritual being has been on jeopardy ever after his adultery had been caught by the Centre Pastor has been kept in our church to correct him, this is not correction centre for any immature or juanile Pastors., we have appreciations to Pastor Nelson and Jose Mathai for fleeing with their young and pregnant wives from the ministry instead of remaining in it. Because atleat Nelson and Jose Mathai knew that it is a holy ground, not fit for them. What about your Ebyson Rajan, and Sam Satyaraj who are still play hide and seek games ???
- A believer named Bro. John Daniel, a born blind man died last month in Faridabad, this so called Centre pastor didn’t even bothered to conduct funeral services in Faridabad, instead his body was carried from the spot of death to grave-yard directly. He was very old believer of that Assembly, and was a helpful person while he was alive. we don’t find any justification to Pastor Lalu Abraham, to what he is doing.
This is the way Pastor Lalu Abraham behaves.
Please note that we are not against TPM, we love our church and are ready to lay our lives for the integrity of our Doctrine. If we don’t speak out now, the stones of Delhi will cry aloud to tell you the truth.
We most respectfully submitting above mentioned facts to you for quick action to save us.
fromtpm.com does not attest to the authenticity of the content. We have published it as it was received. All Issues need to be taken with the email id mentioned in the article (email@example.com). We have found out that the pregnancy accusation on Nelson and Jose Mathai is untrue.
TPM is not a christian church unless they rewrite their doctrines accordingl to the Word of God.
A wholesome repentance is required from the top down failing which it will remain a cult and an enemy of Christ.
Addressing the symptoms will not save anyone, rooting out the cancer of false doctrines is the need of the hour.
The leaders if they fear God will humble themselves and get rid of the lies and go back to the simplicity of the true gospel. The question is do they know God to fear him.
Every cult tests its authenticity by checking if it is growing, if yes, the leaders think that god is with them. The Mormons, Jehovah witnesses , the RCs and even Islam use the same logic. All these cults are growing and it does not take a theologian to tell which god they are worshipping.
We are all so careful in choosing schools, unis, jobs, houses and other earthly things which perish, don’t you think we should be extra careful when it comes to our eternal destination. Chose wisely!
Stop funding the beast unless it goes back to the Word of God.
TPM doctrines are good. It’s the people (including ministers) & their sins that ruin such a great church. This website throws stones on TPM doctrines but cannot explain what Rev 14 really speaks of? To me, it speaks of consecrated servants of God (whether TPM or Non-TPM). To what extent you forsake all for Christ to that extent you will be rewarded in eternity, including standing on Mt. Zion with the lamb of God. By no means do I believe that the sinning “consecrated servants of God” will ever enter heaven!
Let me ask you a few questions regarding the TPM Zion doctrine.
1. What makes you think that the Virginity is Physical virginity as taught by TPM instead of Spiritual virginity where we do not adulterate ourselves with wrong doctrines and wrong assemblies?
2. To follow the Lamb wherever he goes means getting attached to an organization following the leader of that organization and dancing to his whims and fancies? Did Jesus say that is the way to follow him? If you see something wrong in the People who claim to be God’s people, do you HIDE it OR EXPOSE IT? What Did JESUS DO? Did Jesus Exalt himself above the rest of the people and considered the others as second grade as TPM Does? Did Jesus approve of people claiming to be Apostles when they were not so? Did Jesus approve of staying with few women to cook and clean for him? Did Jesus insist on White clothes, Clean Shaven, special meals etc? IF CONSECRATION IS WHAT YOU SEE IN TPM, THEN GOD HELP YOU.
3. It says NO LIE was found in their mouth. Do you think anybody propagating wicked doctrines like that of TPM can qualify?
We have asked so many times if anybody can prove the TPM Specific doctrines, they will be given space in this site. Please select one of the TPM Specific doctrines and send me an article, we will publish it. However, you will be liable to answer any questions raised on that. Can you do that? Do not be afraid of public Scrutiny of your doctrines.
By TPM Specific Doctrines, I mean the ones that you do not find in other pentecostal Churches but see that ONLY in TPM
WE ARE NOT THROWING STONES BUT CASTING LIGHT. Surely it hurts when your PET CULT is being exposed and you feel the dirt which you would have hidden is known to all. That was how The Pharisees and the Judaisers also felt in the first century.
@Blessed Assurance Jesus is Mine:
//TPM doctrines are good. It’s the people (including ministers) & their sins that ruin such a great church.//
It is true that sinning ministers or believers can ruin (bring judgement to) a great church, if these sinners are not dealt with according to biblical guidelines by the church leaders.
We read in I Corinthians chapter 5 about a sexually immoral person in the Corinthian church. When this was reported to apostle Paul, he instructs the Corinthian church to expel that person from their fellowship (verse 13).
Contrast the above with what is happening in TPM today. Even when a TPM minister is exposed of adultery with ample evidence, the chief pastors don’t expel such a person from the church/ministry, but instead target and attack the sincere Christians for exposing their evil. Are TPM leaders proud and boastful to have such immoral men in their ranks? This is how Paul addresses the Corinthian church in verse 2 (proud) and verse 6 (boasting) for showing a callous and indifferent attitude towards that immoral man and keeping him in their church.
Paul writes in verses 6 and 7 as: 6. Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7. Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch. When a church doesn’t act promptly to get rid of the immoral ones (old yeast) from its midst, it causes the whole church to go bad (leavens the entire church). If you truly understand this truth, you will not call TPM ‘a great church’ and its ministers ‘consecrated servants of God’.
As long as the TPM leadership turns a blind eye to immorality in their midst, it casts a big doubt about the sincerity of their so called ‘consecration’. You are really deluded to believe that these crooks will stand on Mt. Zion with the lamb of God.
@Blessed Assurance .. blah blah
@ //This website throws stones on TPM doctrines but cannot explain what Rev 14 really speaks of? To me, it speaks of consecrated servants of God (whether TPM or Non-TPM). //
Do you know any other thing in the book of revelation other than 144000 and the number 666? Is the book limited to few passages which suites tpm ?
Do you know how the book is structured and organised, how many allusions to Old testament it has, what was the historical context and timing when the book was written down, which version (Hebrew or Greek) has John used to quote allusions to Old Testament in his book, what is his writing style, etc etc…
Do you know how many angles are present in contemporary theological world to view apocalyptic prophesies of Revelation?
Have your ever compared it with Ezekeil Daniel Matthew 24 and other passages in NT and OT?
Have you ever searched and thought upon various opinions of various Christians on the said book?
Half knowledge is dangerous brother. This precisely is the problem with tpm crackpots. You are so lazy and dumb-headed that you neither research nor encourage people to research it. Whatever comes in your mouth you utter without enough mediation. You are so arrogant that you don’t even bother to read listen to other opinions. Will you ever grow or will you always remain babies ? Grow up man!
Thanks! This makes sense. By the way, I don’t believe that TPM SOGs will stand on Mt. Zion. By consecrated SOG I mean, anyone who serves God sacrificially.
Can you please list down the sacrifices done by a TYPICAL TPM MINISTER? Once you have done that, I will explain how deluded people are by these pseudo Sacrificial guys.
Dear brother, as you answer Admin brothers question, kindly go through the following
I hope these LINKS will help you.
@ Blessed Assurance,
Firstly, let me congratulate you for taking the bold step of getting out of the slavery of NTC/TPM/NCPC or whatever it is in your country. You have done the right thing by leaving the cult.
From your queries, it looks obvious that you have left TPM but TPM has not left you. We all have experienced it and it is a very confusing state to be in especially if you have quit TPM for non-doctrinal issues, which appears to be your case. If you continue believing TPM’s doctrines, then you have just fell from the frying pan into the fire and no one will be able to help you.
But if you are sincerely seeking The Truth, then the next step is for you to humble yourself and start studying the Bible as if you were a child. Please forget everything you have taught and you have been taught in Sunday School and by your old slave drivers. They were all half truths mingled with very toxic lies and the indoctrination is so deep that only the Holy Spirit will be able to deliver you from this deception.
fromtpm.com is a great place for you to start. Since you have access to the net, you should also start investigating the exclusive doctrines of TPM/NTC/NCPC and check what the Bible teaches. To study the Bible correctly, you will have to apply proper Exegesis. TPM is a master in Eisegesis. There are articles on this site as well on the web which will explain these terms.
TPM is a false religion just like Islam, Jehovah’s witnesses, The Roman Catholics or the Mormons. Once you realize this, then you will have to search for The Truth and as the scriptures has promised, The Truth will set you free.
You have been freed from TPM’s physical slavery, but you are still a slave to TPM’s doctrines. My hope and prayer are that you will find The Truth and you will become a true Christian. Once you are freed from these lies, you will no more be a slave to TPM but a child of God. I wish you the very best in your quest.
If you still think you made any sacrifices in TPM, you are wrong because those sacrifices were dictated by TPM and its gods. If you list out the sacrifices, as the Admin has requested, he will be able to show you how you have been duped.
@ Admin /Hmm.Quite Interesting.
Can you please list down the sacrifices done by a TYPICAL TPM MINISTER? Once you have done that, I will explain how deluded people are by these pseudo Sacrificial guys./
I can’t speak for anyone else. I was a junior sister. I left my family, education, & my whole life to supposedly “serve the Lord”. I found myself under cruel dictators. I had no freedom whatsoever. I suffered willingly as unto the Lord. I thought I was doing service to God by helping His servants…..until last year, when I accidentally through conversation, found out the hypocrisies of the so-called “Servants of God”. That’s when I asked myself, Who am I serving? I threw away 12 years of my life & freedom in the TPM ministry. Can you say that was not a sacrifice? There are innocent junior sisters who are still stuck there. Are they not innocently suffering?…all in the name of Jesus!
@ No more a slave to fear /From your queries, it looks obvious that you have left TPM but TPM has not left you. We all have experienced it and it is a very confusing state to be in especially if you have quit TPM for non-doctrinal issues, which appears to be your case. If you continue believing TPM’s doctrines, then you have just fell from the frying pan into the fire and no one will be able to help you.
But if you are sincerely seeking The Truth, then the next step is for you to humble yourself and start studying the Bible as if you were a child. Please forget everything you have taught and you have been taught in Sunday School and by your old slave drivers. They were all half truths mingled with very toxic lies and the indoctrination is so deep that only the Holy Spirit will be able to deliver you from this deception./
Thanks bro for understanding. This is exactly my situation! And yes, I’m doing exactly as you suggested. I’ve been thinking and trying to study the bible without TPM lens.
@ Dominic/Dear brother, as you answer Admin brothers question, kindly go through the following/
Thanks for the links!
During those time in TPM/NTC, Was there a time when you read the following?
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye, know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. 26 BUT IT SHALL NOT BE SO AMONG YOU: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; 27 and whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28 even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. Matt 20:25-28
The above verse is how the Kingdom of God is structured. The one who is Senior is the One who is Supposed to Serve more. Is not that paradoxically opposite to what TPM does? So whose Kingdom is being built by the TPM Clergy? God’s or Man’s/Devil’s? What they wanted were maidservants and you were duped.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Matt 11:30
Please read 1 Samuel 8:10-18 and you will realise that you were serving the King who had replaced the Lord among his people.Your specific situation fits verse 13 and 16.
I am glad that you are out of this cult. I hope that you are moving on with your life. If you are interested in some counselling and help, do write to us to firstname.lastname@example.org. We have ex-tpm sisters in the US as well, who can understand your point and help you get on with your life.
@ Admin Matt 20:25-28
Oh my God! I never read these verses in this perspective. This verse was twisted to teach the junior workers that we should be servants like Jesus….be like the lamb to stand with the lamb on Mt. Zion. I never evaluated the whole TPM structure in the light of this verse!
Thanks for offering help & support! As of now, I’m trying to study the word of God on my own without a middleman (TPM lens off)but I’ll surely email if I need any support. God Bless.
As the writer of the letter has given the name “HOLY GROUND” to the TPM ministry shows that he/she doesn’t know the bible. Any religious body not founded on the doctrines of Jesus is unholy ground. For me TPM is a unholy ground. From the letter it’s understood that who is the mastermind behind the letter. Writer could be anyone but the brain is SIBICHEN who is in Nepal now. He has targeted mainly his avowed enemies and left all His close associates. This SIBICHEN who has masterminded the letter is a great fraud who pretends to be a great saint. He thinks no one knows his misdeeds and he can remain unnoticed. When he was in Nagpur he had intimacy with many small good looking sisters and physically abused one Sister Delcia. Even though many elder sisters knew his evil deeds but winked at because he used to give enough money to them. During a short span in Mumbai he developed his relation with one Milda. I can produce a long list of women he entertained. Next is one E.D.PHILIP who has been transferred to Kerala last year. When he was in Punjab he played all the dirty games with worker sisters Mabel & Parveen. In Gujarat he had all dirty relations with one Venus(now in Andamans). Even one believer overheard their dirty conversation and caught them red handed. This Philip was once seen coming out with a believer girl from the washroom of the train during night. This incident happened when he accompanied the youths for Chennai youth camp. SIBICHEN’s another close confident is FELIX who was in Kohima. He is another dirty fellow who was found coming with a young girl at Marina beach during the night. What the hell he was doing with the young girl and that also in the dark. One thing I am sure that if you ask these hypocrites they will deny all these facts therefore, they should undergo the lie detector test. What I feel that it’s better to quit & do ministry with good moral values than live as a hypocrite. There are so many details about SIBICHEN, E.D.PHILIP & FELIX. If time permitted then I would bring out their filthiness.
is this Philip a faith home boy? and any idea where he is placed now in Kerala? is it a small branch near Nilambur? Just want to be sure before I warn someone.
Yes, he is a faith home boy. No idea where in Kerala he is now. But you better warn your family members, relations, and all your well wishers.
E d Phillip is a faith home boy as a church boy he was caught with homosexual, was informed to chief pastor pm thomas in spite of this he was taken to ministry , shock was this fir us in bangalore , can something good be expected from this person.
One thing is for sure his father Bro dorai raj was a true saint.
Dear I am real
How long will you keep on bearing false witness against saints and believers?
You will have to give answer for every single drop of tears of innocent.
You are explaining everything as if you were there when every incident took place.
Shame on you.
If you are so concerned and you have all the proof why dont you go to the chief pastor and submit everything?
Because of my nature of work I have worked almost everyeverywhere in india and hence I was there at gujarat too. I know the above incident you are talking about the youth camp and train, toilet stuff watever you are blaming. I was also in the same compartment of the train and I know where all the girls and guys were seated and who all wer together. Nothing like you mentioned really happened that day. You can clarify it by asking any of the youngsters who were there because I wasn’t from their group or branch. I met them in train accidentally.
Didn’t the pastor get any other neat place to take her? Did he get only a trains stinking toilet? Raise your standard of view and thought bro. You are still there in 1990’s. Didn’t he had chance in his faith home?
I even know the girl and her family whom you are accusing. You are 100% wrong about what you have mentioned.
If someone talk about your daughter or sister like this will you keep on posting on different webpages?
I am no one to judge you or the saints. But my only request to you is that please make sure what you talk before accusing.
I dont know about other incidents you have mentioned. But this incident I can guarantee you that nothing like you wrote actually happened.
And if your aim is to ruin them, I don’t have anything to do with that. You clear that yourself with God.
Have you ever had a look into your own life? Atleast once?
Its God’s church bro. He knows what is going on.
If he is keeping his patients why cant you? Else you go directly to the chief pastors and submit your proof.
Leaving that you are trying to humiliate the workers in every single platforms you are getting. If you were really interested and concerned about the future of tpm you would never post something like this in a site which is open for public but would have shown the guts to go nd stand before the chief pastor AS A MAN, not as a coward keeping on posting bedroom stories and washroom secrets like this.
Can I ask you something?
ARE YOU A FALLEN ANGEL?
My dear Raj
You are so annoyed when it is posted about someone you are defending. I think you either are his relative or a person who play hand in gloves with him. Why are you so enraged when it’s written about that particular person? If had really loved your all so called TPM saints you should have come strong & bold to defend them. From your post I understand that you are not concerned of the church(not TPM but the real body of Christ) you would have defended everyone. I don’t mind you defend him now but on the day of judgment you won’t be there to defend him.
You have asked whether I am a fallen Angel? I know what you mean by asking this. Since you don’t know Bible very well and are simply fed with all the unbiblical teachings of your white clads, you think that all who quit TPM are fallen. Am I right? You please go and read Romans 14:4 and you will know what you are doing? To judge whether one is fallen or still standing is God’s authority and when you take that it shows, you are taking the very place of God. Lucifer tried it and he fell. I don’t try to be justified by my own merits unlike the the teachings of TPM but I am trusting the grace of God and the finished work of His son on the cross. Read for yourself Galatians 5:4 and you will get the answer of your question. I suggest you to study the word of God instead of living just hearing what comes from the people you trust more than God. May God bless you.
Please note that all who are born again are saints. You may want to get your Theology right . Nothing wrong in defending your friend but I don’t think any true Christian will defend a cult. So look into the mirror of the Word of God and check your status, it has eternal ramifications so please. Whether your friend is guilty or not does not matter. What is critical here is the heresies taught by a cult.
So funny, he just mentioned that it’s a train, pastor, church.. nothing beyond it and you are saying, I know that pastor , I know that train, I know that girl.. funny and crazy
Since you are here and enjoying the comments, why don’t you spend some time reading the pages about TPM’s heresies. The one about the men who had replaced Jesus as our Chief Pastor/Shepherd is my favourite.
You will find more juicy scandals and scams elsewhere on the net so please don’t pay much attention to the ones here.
Bro Felix mention here, is he the same Felix who has been transferred to Dubai recently?
I guess so…He came from Kohima to replace Immanuel.
If u r really a real.. let me ask u on thing first.. why don’t u mention ur name????!!!! Don’t u feel shame to post all filthy things with as anonymous..
I feel u did all the above filthy n dirty things n putting all the blame on those ppl of God…
Don’t u feel ashamed of writing such things..
U R FAKE with no name.. n posting all fake news..
I m real???????
Pity on u..
You are saying someone is writing under fictitious name? What about you? Introspect before commenting? Please don’t copy your immoral saints..
R u commenting with your real name? Whether I am fake or real, you don’t need to worry about it. You just worry about your white-clad frauds. I think you too are one of these frauds & that’s why everything is pinching you too much. If you don’t believe what I said then accept my challange. Bring all these who I mentioned & let them undergo the lie detector test. I know you can’t do that. In fact I pity your pathetic state & the lack of biblical knowledge.
Dear Jyotsana, Do you know brother Bijoy Sarkar the famous international Hindi translator who has illicit affair with mini ?? You can ask him about sibichen gang ! Ask him about sibichen’s affair with Roy’s wife or ask him why sibichen goes to hotel ??
You have very clearly mentioned the names of people and their involvement in this incident, and you have revealed your name too. Let us see what Jyothsna alias Joy Shekar will comment now. It doesn’t matter whether it is a person with a real name or a pseudonym, whoever exposes the misdeeds of the TPM wolves, I am sure his comment will be biased as usual calling these fraudsters “anointed ones” with a veiled threat to us “don’t mess with the saints”. Wow, the ‘saints’ have licence to indulge in these immoral activities – what a privilege these ‘anointed ones’ have! On top of this ‘Zion’ in eternity!
Oh dear real.. why should I hide my name pretend to be someone else..
one day everything is going to be revealed.. u or white clad.. don’t worry.. as u r hiding ur name here u can’t hide anything in front of judgement seat..
Everyone here is deceived by the devil.. all the credit goes to ur admin.. Rev:20:10
Can you please tell more about this Bijoy Sarkar ? I remember him translating at a convention and leading a meeting.
Dear Brother I am real, Is this all true. Do you know these people ?…’this.aside…. when so many pressing issues are there why are strict rules being put about outward dressing and appearance alone ??
Spirit of God through Paul’s letter
Galatians 3 :
Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”i meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
Jesus – I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Let God be True, let everymen be a Liar…
I know all these frauds very well. There are some more in SIBICHEN’s gang. He thought that by blaming others he & his gangsters can escape. But now he & his associates will have tough time. This Sibichen when he was in Delhi had connection with Sister Geeta. You know he and his gang members use words with double meaning. How long God will tolerate the Ramrahims of TPM (SIbichen & party)? He is a crook who will put others in fix to climb high or safeguard himself. He is a big cheat.
it will be nice if you upload the photos of such people so that their real faces can be revealed
U r a big fraud with duplicate fraud name..?
Shame on “I m real”
Jyothsna, I don’t understand what is wrong if a person assumes a pseudonym (pen name) for writing in a blog. The name, whether real or pseudonym, does not diminish the content of one’s writing or expression. Please respond to the comments of a person (without becoming emotional) instead of accusing him/her as “big fraud” and “fraud name”. Let us have a healthy debate for the benefit of many. Why don’t you take any one article from this site and scripturally prove that it is wrong. If you do that (instead of your vain rantings), it may perhaps bring a person like me back to TPM!
It appears, you are the fraud with a duplicate name brother Joy…
Anyone who says he is a Christian and does not obey Jesus / keep His commandments can never be a Christian, he is a ‘hypocrite’. Don’t be a sin loving god hater. These men are on the way to be reprobates. If these incidents are true (i am sure they are), they have to be cut off permanently as a warning. Keeping them in any place is not going to change them. If the fear of God is missing, the fear of men won’t deter them. Bring strict rules to save the church without contradicting the Word of God.
And Christians do not have to keep the ceremonial laws, dietary laws of Jews. Moral laws of God that pre-exists even before Moses which have been carried throughout OT and NT are the ones we are commanded to obey as Christians; most professing christians are doing the opposite as witnessed above. Repent!
Dear I am real,
Whoever you are, your memory is extremely sharp to remembers all these names and incidents in such a minute details. God given gift.
I m attending this church for the past 5 years now , I m from a protestant background having a very good personal relationship with the LORD .. I ve met so many GODly believers spiritually matured believers out side the TPM .
BEING in this church nearly 5 years total no of 75 + .. NOT even one TPM born and brought up is a spiritual person with that height of pride of TPM ..!!
DEFINITELY they re under a spell or in delusion .
Dear Apostate ,
If you attend life time you don’t find even one it’s my supposed estimation best of luck
Some Judas is giving a small information about the Workers. These guys nicely make up the stories. They could have gone to take Movies as they make good screenplay
I can understand that how blind you are. The site ever since it’s inception is giving lots & lots of information of the erroneous doctrines & wicked deeds inside the cult. How sad it is to say that all these informations still appear to as small information. If it is small than what is the great my dear tpmdiehard? Whether you change or not but through this site God is bringing many truth seeking sincere souls out of the cult. The site has shaken the TPM foundations.
I am not Blind. I have a clear vision. The souls which are going out are not truth seeking souls. They are wandering souls. Jesus said, “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” And the foundation of this Church was laid on Jesus. So nothing can shake it. If somebody is erring then they are accountable and answerable to God. Not to you and me.
Your state is exactly as its written in Revelation 3:17. I didn’t say that the foundation of church is shaking but I said that the foundation of TPM’s foundation is shaking. Yes true church(body of Christ) is founded on Jesus & His teachings but TPM is founded on the doctrines of Alwin. You plz follow your self proclaimed apostles & teachings; I have no objection. But hats off to the site which is exposing the wrong practices of TPM(cult).
It is not a movie but a true dissection of a 90 year soap opera called “Deeper Truths” which had been leading thousands of blind souls down the garden path to hell. One day when the scales fall off your eyes, you will thank this Judas for being brave enough to stand up for the truth. In the meanwhile instead of making an ill informed statement, search this website and the Bible and judge for yourself whether you are following the Christ in the Bible or a christ dreamed up by some perverted servant of Satan. It’s your soul so it is worth investing the time and effort.
My dear Brother, are you accepting yourself as a brave Judas.? Judas never stood for truth. He was covetous and was ready to betray the truth (Our Lord)
Please repent and come back to the Lord and to his Anointed Apostles. My eyes are very clear and I am also very clear that I follow Christ in the Bible.
“LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation” May God Bless you all.
Can you tell me reasons from scripture, as to why you consider TPM ministers as “Anointed Apostles.” I hope we can begin a healthy discussion for mutual spiritual growth (1 Pet 3:15).
Anointed (in NT) is one who is called, chosen and appointed to do any of the Five Ministries mentioned in Ephesians 5:11 to do the work mentioned in Ephesians 5:12. (For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:) They are apostles (one who is sent) to perform this ministry, leaving behind everything they had including their father mother brothers sisters, house, possessions and all they had and following Christ.
The question asked by Brother Nath is not what you answered. Nobody is trying to deny the existence of Apostles and their ministry. His question was asking you to prove that TPM Ministers are apostles as per Biblical definition/standards.
So I guess you need to provide a scripture which clearly spells out how we can identify an apostle and try to tie that with the TPM Minister’s identity to it.
I agree with what you say, bcoz it’s the scripture. But do you know in what context Jesus said that? Leaving the father, mother, brothers, sisters & everything doesn’t mean to desert them. It has a great meaning behind it.
I agree that your TPM so called apostles have left their home. But now they are enjoying the comforts in every area what they couldn’t have enjoyed had they not joined this cult. Let’s assume that they have left everything but if the purpose of forsaking everything is not served then what’s the use of such vain consecration. Above everything Jesus wanted his followers to deny themselves which I can say TPM ministers haven’t.
If you want to really discuss for your spiritual edification, please click here. Once you have read it, we can discuss further.
I assume you meant Ephesian 4:11-12 (not 5:11-12).
According to you apostles means one who is sent. I agree brother on that definition/meaning of word apostles. But the other qualification to be apostle/disciple that you are mentioning needs clarification.
The verse you are quoting – leaving behind his father, mother, etc does not say that only apostles are required to fulfill this criteria. Let me quote this verse here. Reading the verse carefully says that ANY MAN WHO WANTS TO BE A FOLLOWER OF JESUS MUST FULFILL THE SAID CRITERIA.
Luke 14:26 If ANY MAN come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple () .
Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple .
Let us look at word Disciple. Disciple in bible signifies each and every believer, – not only one who preach on Sunday in church !
Original Greek word μαθητής translated as disciple is used in bible in several places.
Example in Act 9:38 it says that “…disciples had heard that Peter was there,…..” This means common baptized believer is called as disciple. Right? (read that passage in Acts 9)?
Again in Act 20:30 it says that “Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
This again means that Disciple = follower. It does not mean that only apostle = disciple!
This implies that either TPM celibates are the only trues disciples and all TPM believers and every other christian (except RC nun and monks) are not true christians/followers of Jesus, OR every follower of Jesus including TPM believers must forsake all their houses money wives children father etc to be a TRUE Christian.
If we all are required to leave behind or forsake our all possessions, then it means that we all have to crucify our inner self – self which is attached to house possession father mother wife etc..!
In short TPM understanding of apostle = TPM celibate who has forsaken their house is wrong! Disciple means every Christian. Therefore there is no elite category such as what TPM has falsely injected in everyones mind.
Correct me if I am wrong. I am lovingly looking forward for your response!
Dear Bro, I don’t intend to argue with you as you appear to be enlightened however I would encourage you to take up Nath’s offer to discuss “Anointed Apostles”. It would open my eyes to some deep deeper truth as I always thought all the Apostles are in the Bible and none of them have been reincarnated as TPM leaders. In my time I have met a few of your so called anointed apostles and the only anointing I noticed in them was covetousness, envy and pride to name a few, not to forget lust. This website highlights a few of these anointing. I suggest that you should read a few of these articles and you will surely be truly enlightened.
Beloved Bro. Shortcomings are common for everyone. Do we all live a holy life without even a bit of any of the shortcomings?. Thats the reason we have to sanctify ourselves everyday. You say in your time you met a few with covetousness, envy and pride & Lust. Can you explain in what way they are covetous envious, proud & lustful?
“Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.” (Luke 6:37)
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.I Pet 4:8
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins. Prov 10:12
GOD BLESS YOU
When shortcomings are part of human life then how these white clad people become saints? Because they use 3.6 M long white wardrobes. If so many other people use white cloths, are they all saints?
When people start self glorification as an intimidating tool all their credibility becomes null and void. Being a diehard tpm man/woman you may be very well aware of the twisted words and actions these audacious people adopt. In one of the comments on this site somebody wrote 99% of the tpm people don’t read Bible. These people know it very well, thereby taking the advantage of the bible ignorance of these people.
Not even one exclusive doctrine of tpm is biblical. They are all heresies.
Luke 12:56,57 “Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time? Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right?”
Have never heard of any exclusive doctrine or exclusive rights for doctrine. Is it spoken by any individuals or clearly documented in any books or documentation (regarding this exclusive doctrines)?
By Exclusive doctrine Franklin was mentioning about those extra biblical doctrines which you cannot find in other christian churches but only in TPM.
For eg..TPM’s interpretation of Eternity
TPM’s interpretation of their Clergy as Apostles,
TPM’s twisting of Divine healing
And many more such TPM only doctrines
Which aspect of Divine healing is considered exclusive?
1. TPM Says that If you have consumed Medicine, you will not be caught up in the second coming as your body is defiled.
2. TPM says if you have had medicines, you have annoyed God and is left the faith in Jesus/God.
3. TPM Says that if you have taken medicines, you are not worthy to be partaking in the Lord’s table.
4. TPM Says that if you die without taking medicines, you have become a Martyr.
Now Dear Anonymous, please tell me where do we find scriptural support for the above TPM Doctrines. Please supply me with unambiguous verses.
If these are not in any publication or written documentation, it is safe to ignore them. Some local preachers may use their autonomy to preach or teach words without a proper revelation in this matter. God is the ultimate authority to heal and forgive. No organization can punish or discipline an individual for seeking medical help.
Divine Healing as a doctrine is practised in other denominations as well. So, it cannot be called an exclusive doctrine of one denomination. There may be some minor differences in the way it is observed.
Example of a church in HK that practises:
Smith Wigglesworth has practised something similar as well.
These are published facts in their publications. Please read their books and Magazines..
Its quite surprising that you are classifying these as “Minor Differences”. Who gave you authority to tamper with the Lord’s table? It clearly means that its no more Lord’s Table, its TPM Table.
Every Christian Believes in Divine Healing. But TPM’s Divine Healing is a Perverted Exclusive Doctrine which has no connection with the scriptures.
@ Anonymous @ safe to ignore
//If these are not in any publication or written documentation, it is safe to ignore them. Some local preachers may use their autonomy to preach or teach words without a proper revelation in this matter. //
But Divine healing is one of the important steps in “7 steps of salvation” preached by TPM (5th step). See ( https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/03/28/heresies-in-tpm-part-5-salvation-by-faith-works/ ) for Tpm documentation of it!
Now if you consider safe to ignore “divine healing” then you must also ignore TPM’s “7 steps of salvation” – the gospel of TPM! Choice is yours! Do let us know your choice!
The point is whether Divine healing is an exclusive doctrine of one group – it is certainly not. It is practised by many others long before us.
TPM’s Version if Divine Healing is Certainly an Exclusive Doctrine. Just a similarity in Headings does not make it worth comparing.
For Eg. Hinduism also Has Salvation (called Moksha or Nirvana). Can you say that The Hindu’s Salvation is the Same as the Christian’s Salvation as both have the heading as “Salvation”?
Similarly, the TPM Divine Healing is a Perversion and is much more dangerous than the obvious difference between the Hindu and Christian Salvation.
Again, I disagree on this terminology of exclusive doctrine.
Would you be able to provide the book name or title and page that talks about these four points?
What do you mean by EXCLUSIVE? It means, it is a doctrine which is TPM Specific. It will not be found in the same way in scriptures or even interpreted by other Christians.
We can try to find in in one book…But surely we can find these points in their publications. If not able to find all of them in one book, we should try to see it in other TPM Publications. Simple as that.
I have already given you link of one of the articles of this site, where it cites name of book / publication where TPM mentions divine healing as 7 steps of salvation, which means same as above four points, that without following tpm version of divine healing you would not be saved or raptured. Why are you beating around the bush.
The latest VOP (October 2017) has in page 16 the key verses and information about Divine Healing and I do believe in all of these.
Our sickness and infirmities were borne by Jesus on the cross (Matthew 8:17; I Peter 2:24). He gave to His disciples, the power to heal (Mark 3:15). Divine healing is children’s bread (Matthew 15:26).
Have you read tpm exclusive divine healing statements on home page of this site ?
Can you explain me ” Our sickness and infirmities were borne by Jesus on the cross (Matthew 8:17; I Peter 2:24). ”
If Jesus bore our sickness then why do saints and believers fall sick , after he has taken it upon cross?
I’ll explain my version of understanding of the above verse post to your explanation.
These verses are self-explanatory. You don’t want to mess around or add any private interpretations here to mislead people. Psalm 103:3 is another key verse related to healing.
The problem is you that it you people who have added more to this verse. This verse does not say you have to make a rule by saying “if you take medicine you ll end in hell and judgement of God.”
This verse relieves burden of law from people. When Jesus has bore our sickness and infirmities – it means Jesus suffered penalty for our transgressions of God’s law. OT has laws where sickness is punishment for transgression of law. Jesus rescued us from burden of law.
Now TPm comes in and bring people back again under law by making law for people that if you take medicine you will be punished by God by making you go to hell for taking medicine.
It is thus quite evident that TPM by its exclusive teachings on divine healing have messed with this verse.
Anonymous, please do check the context of the verses that speaks about “by his stripes we are healed”. It is speaking about spiritual healing because of the life, death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus. It isn’t about physical healing.
I request Tpm believers to have faith in God. No sickness or plague shall come near to you as per psalms 91, if you believe in christ. Believe in the power of the cross, not on home remedies. If you have true faith, none will die with sickness because Jesus never fails.
Dear Bro, the answer to your query is well documented in the articles published on this site. Do I need to say more?
I agree that we are all fallen and that is the reason we need a Saviour. Praise God for giving us His only precious Son for our redemption. I’m not judging anyone and never will as I’m no better than any one. All I’m asking you is to read the articles objectively and draw a conclusion about the deeper truths of TPM in the light of the Bible and not on some personal dreams or visions. What God had to say is already said and it is in the Bible. All we need to do is to rightly divide the Word of God and apply it to our lives.
The Bible says, “Beware of Dogs”, this does not mean one should not have dogs as pets. This is what your TPM anointed Apostle has interpreted. Please check the Q&A section of your Deeper Truth website. Unfortunately the site has been brought down by the TPM control freaks as it became an embarrassment to them as their humble hidden ministry was being exposed by the courageous men who run this site. Don’t worry if you search diligently you can find the link on this site. Our God gives wisdom to His children who stand for the Truth and the administrators of this site are example of that not the anointed apostles.
Click here to get a copy of that TPM Site which they pulled off the net.
Total drama.Lol.Just leaving house and family is saint/apostle?Prodigal son did that too.They left their house because they wanted to.Thinking its God’s calling.That doesnt mean that they can extort money feom people by preaching.They clearly differentiate between rich and poor,old believers and new believers.They show they are Holy and do all immoralities and stand at the pulpit judging and damning other people including christians feom other fellowship.Creating divide among Christians themselves.They twist the doctrines and call it tpm doctrines.They ask you to wear white.Shave your facial hair.Not wear gold.Not watch tv.Dont use internet/facebook.These saints are suited up in the churches outside India.Use internet,computers and cellphones and wear watches.Such double standards and hypocrisy.They exhort people to not post on facebook so they can keep a low key.Our most important gift is The Holy Bible and the problem is that people dont have the time to read it.And if they do then its to be understood as a whole and in context.The tithing system has no traceability.No receipts/acknowledgement given.No reports or account given to the believers regarding the income and expense.The people sweat and work hard and these people take it out of your hands and misuse it.No punishment to
these so called saints who break rules.Its all a farce.Ive known them long enough to see through the bull…
Dear Bro. I want to differ your opinion on the TPM workers. You cannot compare prodigal son leaving home and the TPM workers who left home. I am in this faith from my childhood and my mother who was a Brahmin convert accepted Lord through one of the TPM believers and was a testimony till he death. I would surely tell that the TPM WORKERS who encouraged us a lot. I have never seen them twisting the doctrine. They preach according to what Holy Spirit reveals. About tithe they don’t force you to pay. If you want your curse to be removed you pay. Otherwise don’t. Yes They are accountable to every penny they receive. But that is dealing between them and God. Why you and me to waste time doing research. I haven’t heard them damning people of other fellowship. In fact I heard that one of their pastors visited Bro. DGS while he was sick and encouraged him by praying for him. Anyways different views for different people. Preaching not to use internet Facebook etc are for our good. Let’s not condemn the leaders who are responsible for our souls. God Bless us all.
//If you want your curse to be removed you pay. // — This is doctrine of indulgence masked in another form…
//I have never seen them twisting the doctrine. They preach according to what Holy Spirit reveals. //
Dear Brother/Sister whosoever you are, who loves Tpm above God, — have you read any articles in this website ? I pity your blindness. May God open your eyes.
Yes, they preach as prompted by the spirit which spoke through the serpent in the garden of Eden. Please check their deeper truths website and compare it with what is said in the Bible and decide for yourself. The articles about TPM’s doctrinal heresies on this website is a great starting point as the authors have done a great job in showing what is wrong.
Wish you well my friend in your search for the Truth. Believe me if you find The Truth, it will set you free as it did for me. You will be No more a slave to fear for you will become a child of God.
If we are His children, do we need brokers/agents to talk to our Heavenly Father, no matter how consecrated they are. The choice is yours.
Chose The Truth for eternal life or chose False Doctrine for earthly security but eternal damnation. It is your soul and it is priceless. It is so precious that Jesus died so that you could live. Chose Christ or chose the servants of satan. They are sincere and have good intentions but the christ they serve is not in the Bible.
Dear love TPM,
What are you talking? Your response reveals your big fat zero knowledge on Bible. These frauds are responsible for your soul. Then what is the role of JESUS in your redemption? What a bizarre statement.
All the brainwashed like you are having the same shield like “GOD will do. it is between GOD and them” etc. On how many instances you have seen their fear for GOD.
About twisting of doctrines I can give you innumerable examples. The problem for people like you is that they don’t know scripture, them how can you understand the twisting of the scripture. Can you give me any clarification for Abraham’s appointment in New Heaven. Please read Galatians chapter 3 fully without TPM lens. Then you can understand the GOD given position of Abraham. This is absolute heresy.
2 Thessalonians 2:10,11 “… They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.” Don’t be part of this delusionary lie.
Hosea 4:6, “my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children”
Dear Franklin. It would be better for you if you talk smoothly. If I have big fat zero knowledge on Bible that’s ok. It’s my Problem and not yours. If you have enough knowledge of Bible then kindly use it for winning new souls. Not to accuse Ministers of God.
Dear love TPM, Leaving aside all the other talk….. let me tell you something…… the word of GOD says….. know the TRUTH and the TRUTH will set you free…… you said in your post that IF we want the curse to be removed we need to pay tithe…. first of all our Lord is a magnanimous God. He created EVERYTHING out of nothing…. he doesn’t require our TITHING to remove our curse…. He ALREADY shed His blood on the cross to deliver us from our sins….. No amount of tithe can equAl that…. second God is not a.business man to collect our money and then do some miracle for us… He is our Almighty Father….. third…. pls read the following carefully….. the Bible says that in the last days a lot of false prophets will arise with the spirit of the antichrist….what will he do…. He will collect money and only then keep us alive…. now think…. Will Jesus also do such a thing…. remove curse of people who pay tithe…. I DON’T want to sound harsh…. but this is what the bible says NOBODY is.allowed to twist even a letter in the Bible….. ultimately…. the Lord removed our curse by shedding His blood…. but you are saying that giving tithe will remove…. is THIS not degrading the magnanimous sacrifice of our Lord !!!! My heart is shattered to hear that God collects tithe and removed curse…. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read the Bible and understand the true nature of GOD BEFORE giving opinions of defense. I understand that you want to defend tpm…. am not saying that’s bad…. but calling the Lord a businessmen is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE !!!! Even if you didn’t give Him a single penny STILL HE would remove your curse !!!!! This is EXACTLY what the people on this site are trying to say….. don’t assume things….. read the Bible….. if you ask me I don’t have to read the Bible to know this TRUTH…. He died for me I know.and removed my curse not by my tithe…. I BEG you PLEASE DON’T use that sentence again in your whole life … and break the Lord’s Heart !!!
Actually whichever congregation we are in, be it catholic or protestant or tpm or baptist etc etc thithe is one important work of God we do out of love and faithfulness to God. More importantly is our time tithe . In a day of 24 hours how many hours do we spend time praying reading the Bible Vs the time we spent in our phone, browsing and our personal works.
I agree with you beloved brother daring. My tpm Akka teach me that we should not only give ten percent of our salary but ten percent of everything to saints. So I give her 10% of everything.
Every month I give her 3000 Rs. I also give her tithe of rice, wheat, milk, almond, cashew nut, and dairy milk chocolate. She happily takes all things.
She calls me a faithful believer. I bought a smartphone recently. So I also started giving her ten percent of it’s usage time to her. She also happily browses it for 2.5 hours out of 24 hours. Soon I am going to mary a boy who is a faithful believer. Akka told me that I should give ten percent of him also to her. She will keep him for 2 hours daily.
//Akka told me that I should give ten percent of him also to her. She will keep him for 2 hours daily.//
Very hilarious, as usual. Perhaps, the boy you will marry may have a similar skewed understanding of tithing and would want to do likewise. Then, your local pastor or elder gets to keep you for 2 hours daily! Win-win for all involved…this was the spiritual awakening your late pastor Alwyn wanted to introduce during his time.
I’m yet to see even one accusation against a minister of God on this site however I can clearly see a lot of accusations about the Ministers of Satan. He was a Liar from the beginning and his ministers aka minions are take after him. Check the deeper lies oops truths for evidence.
Please do not take verses out of context.
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”
You can judge anyone as long as you are living a Christian – A Christian is a Saint/Disciple/Holy person who obey’s God’s commandments day in and day out. He is not a hypocrite/daily sinner/abuser of repentance.
Learn some hermeneutics.
“And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee:” Does not mean to remove the eye physically.
If I remove one eye, I still have the other eye, if I remove both eyes, I still have the thoughts with all the memories. Does not work like that. It is a metaphor to take extreme measures for God. Jesus uses parables, metaphors in some places
Forsake everyone and everything is to respond with the utmost love to Jesus Christ and follow Him in Truth regardless of any one else.
“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”
Leaving your parents is your choice, does not mean consecration. We are called to be His Disciples. Christian = Disciple!
I see the problem here is you keep tpm pastors in high regard than Jesus Christ or the teachings of Jesus Christ. Please read your Bibles everyday with humility and close-mindedness towards the real Truth. Do not try to seek verses for your vain glorification and selfishness putting the Truth out of context.
Paying someone removes curse? Do you know that you are one step from becoming Pagan?
If we live in Sin, and pay HIM, will He accept our offering? Really? Give wholeheartedly or nothing at all! He could care less for all of our money put together. Cry, repent, get right with God that instant. We won’t need to sit n sanctify. Now is the time to get right with God. Not tomorrow or the sanctification prayers.
Jesus died for the sins we have committed, not for the sins we like and choose to commit everyday. Temptations come everyday, does not mean we have to give in. It is possible to live a holy life on this earth. We are called ‘not to sin no more’ and to be Perfect like our Heavenly Father. We are never called to ‘try being perfect’! Do not abuse Grace and Mercy of God through sanctification. Temptation is NOT a Sin.
There is nothing wrong in wearing black, having facial hair or wearing gold or using internet or facebook. Staying away from these should show your personal measures you have taken in following Christ.
Does your white shirt define your holiness?, does your facial hair define your godliness, does ‘not’ wearing gold define your holiness? are you using internet/facebook for the glory of God or for the filthy selfish desires of your body?
Think about these, Jesus died on the Cross for us. let us be willing to take some extreme measures to love Him back and not to show everyone that you don’t use facebook, but secretly are a porn watcher.
Use and wear and do whatever you want as long as it glorifies God. Or use and wear and do whatever you want, but don’t be a Christian.
Col 3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
1 John 2:3,4,5
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
tpm doctrines are deep?, guess it is not. No basic knowledge!
Dear sis Priya. I appreciate your enthusiasm and the zeal for the Lord. The same Christ who had shed His precious blood for you, had shed for me and my curses too. But here curse what I meant was different. I feel pity for your lack of Bible knowledge. Please read Malachi 3:6-10. If you don’t pay tithe you are Robbing God. If you pay the Lord will open the floodgates of heaven and pour so much Blessings. Curse is opposite of Blessings. If you are not blessed then it’s cursing automatically. Read the word of God with more diligence so that the spirit of God will open your eyes of understanding. Please refrain from giving advises like “PLEASE DO NOT USE IN LIFE ETC. You need a school and teachers to study and educate yourself. What the HM does / what the principal does with donation money or Which master is loving which teacher is not the business of the Students. Similarly I need to study and get educated spiritually. I prefer a college and attend the classes. Whatever is taught there I am taking it for my spiritual growth. Apart from that I have no other business. There is a saying in malayalam. ” Appam thinna pore? Kuzhi enthina ennunnu? Take what is necessary for you. Pray to God to show a better church for your Spiritual growth. Don’t be deceived by the preachers of this site. May God show you the right path. With prayers.
Dear love TPM, I can see how naive YOUR beliefs are….. If You ask me personally I am not giving you any advice…. The Word of GOD is giving you a commandment…. don’t associate Jesus with being a dealer…. pay tithe…. or else keep your curses….. I can see one thing from your vain arguments…. you are always talking about blessings and curses…. you are not talking about the grace of GOD that surpasses EVERYTHING ! By the way I can see very clearly that you have been offended by what TRUTH the Bible wants to teach you…. you are blasting against brother Franklin not to advice you…. me not to advice you…. so my ADVICE to you is ADVICE yourself and get yourself out of the mess you are in…. if you want to be adamant and go your way none of us have any right or power to stop you cause you yourself are denying the grace of the Lord….. since you are from a heathen background let me tell you this… even my father is a heathen my husband is from heathen background…. I know all about heathen history and principles….. they have karma…. curse and blessings depending on money offerings and charity deeds and pleasing the deities….. The God of the Bible…. is the ONLY ONE GOD who gave EVERYTHING for FREE !!!! ABSOLUTELY FREE !!!! If You want to live according to the Old testament please do so…. nobody wants to stop you….
Sad to see you quoting Malachi verses to support your un-biblical tithe.
Brother …This is because you do not know even the old testament tithing. You have exposed how brainwashed you are by the TPM Clergy.
Please read this article for your own benefit.
Tithing is not unbiblical nor it is restricted to the Old Testament only.
Our Lord Jesus very clearly tells in Matthew 23:23 , that ye should offer tithes.
I assume the Lord Jesus Christ commands this in the New Testament and that His word is the final authority.
I know now the admin and his followers will try to interpret this verse to suit them. But the truth is truth. The admin and his followers dont want to pay tithe, dont want to pray for others in a prayer chain. They want to be free souls doing only what they please. And they think only their interpretation of the Bible is true.
Wow..So Thomas is alive..But Doubts keep coming.
I suggest you understand before shooting your tongue/Keyboard in this case.
Tithe as such is Biblical Old testament Ordinance. However, it becomes Unbiblical when you twist it to your own benefit or interpretation.
The Old testament Tithe always was agro or animal products. It was NEVER MONEY.
When Jesus addressed the Pharisees(Who follow the OT) regarding Tithe, how did he address?
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices–mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law–justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. Matthew 23:23
Do you think that they did not have Shekhels, Denari and Coins? Obviously no. They used the currency as we do now. However, when it comes to the Tithe Ordinance, it has to be agro. That is why Jesus mentioned mint, dill and cumin
Thomas do you not know when did the actual New Covenant Started? Read ON.
The New Testament/Covenant was established at the Death of Jesus. Covenents are not established by Births..But Death of the Covenant Establisher
Now when someone leaves a will, it is necessary to prove that the person who made it is dead. Hebrew 9:16
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Matt 26:28
“This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them. Mark 14:24
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. Luke 20:20
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Hebrew 9:15
Now Thomas Show me ONE VERSE from the New Testament Church which asked For Tithe of the Old Testament. Leave alone one verse, you do not get anything. All that we are expected to follow from the OT ordinance are the following.
Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. Acts 15:20
Do you find the word Tithe or Tenth in the above verse? Leave alone the Unbiblical Monetary Tithe as taught by your unlearned TPM Ministers (2 Peter 3:16)
Why are jumping down with rage as to indecently say “shoot your tongue” because you couldnt stand others telling your wrong/misinterpretations of the Bible.
Tithing in Cash or Kind is advocated by Jesus. Had Jesus said tithe your money, you will cry out, “oh Jesus didnt say about Indian Rupee or dollar- oh he mentioned only shekels – so let us not tithe”
Jesus commended the widow who offered money.
Jesus says “Leave Not Tithing” – He doesnt say cash or kind.
He cannot come and say to everyone pay tithe in Dollar or Dirham or Rupee.
As for you quoting Acts 15:20
It is completely out of place.
There the dispute was about “CIRCUMCISION” and not about tithing.
So the apostles mentioned do these four important things and dont compel for cicumcision. There is no mention of prayer or Holy Communion in the four things. Does that mean the new believers need not pray or remember the Lord’s death.
You will go to any extremes to prove your vile deceptive doctrines.
That doesn’t alter the authority of the words of Jesus. Go on deceiving.
Looks like only Thomas is raging here. Let him tithe how much ever he wants to these thugs and reap the consequences. Quite clear who is deceived !!
You are not a new person here and its quite natural for me to understand that you do not read the articles or comments completely, but start shooting without knowing the other side. Again you did the same.
Please check the context of Jesus telling.. Matthew 23:23 is to the teachers of the Law “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees…”. Jesus clearly set the context that is about following the Mosaic Law. Moreover, does the Mosaic Law speaks of a Monetary Tithe as taught by TPM?
In Luke 17:14 Jesus asks the Cleansed Lepers to show themselves to the Priest according to the old testament Law. Do you think you also need to follow that?
Jesus was circumcised according to the Old testament Law (Luke 2:21), Do you think you need to follow that?
Jesus went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath (Luke 4:16), Do you go to the Synagogue on the Sabbath?
Jesus spoke about sacrifices and tithing before the cross and resurrection, before the dawn of the new covenant. He used tithing and sacrifices as illustrations when addressing his contemporaries. He kept the law since he was “born under the law” (Gal. 4:4). But we can no more take his words as a commendation for tithing today than we can his words about offering sacrifices.
So dear Thomas, please do not be blind in following the Pharisees of TPM. I understand your pain that you had given lots of money and that is not going to come back it is already Land and brick and Mortar for a Human organization called TPM.
There is nothing called Tithe in the New Testament Church. If you are going to help anybody it is called GIVING. Its not like the 10% hush money or protection money which you have given till now.
When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15).
Even though tithing isn’t required today, it does not follow that believers should hoard their possessions.
We are commanded to support the poor and those who preach the gospel (Matt. 10:10; Luke 10:7; 1 Cor. 9:6–14; 1 Tim. 5:17–18). And while we should enjoy the good things God gives us, we are also called to be generous to those in need (1 Tim. 6:17–19; 2 Cor. 8–9). Wealth can so easily become an idol, leading us to abandon the Lord.
Since God is to be our treasure, believers are to give generously and freely. For many , this will mean giving more than 10 percent.
Still, Scripture doesn’t command Christians to give a tenth—and Scripture, not tradition, is our rule and authority.
Thomas.Have you ever read law for tithing ever?Widow gave offering.mk12:38-42 not tithe.100 percent not 10.Tithe was given in Israel to the Levites in the temple in agro products.
@ Brother Thomas, @ Act 15
If you think I am trying to speak to you in order to prove my side or because of my ego, then leave it! But if you think that we are sincerely labouring to save souls (we may be wrong!) then either take my mail-id from admin and begin discussing with me on vitally important subject of salvation or just give a nod to me so that I can take your email-id from admin and ping you about the soteriology. If you are participating in these discussions with a sincere heart to bring us back to right path or if you think that we are sincerely trying to correct TPM teachings then lets get started with mail conversation. OR I can also request admin for public discussion forum for both of us to talk together on salvation (Acts 15). Give me a chance to discuss with you on salvation. Hope you wont disappoint me.
If Thomas agrees, I can open up a topic in the Discussion forum.
I completely agree with you that a true Christian should not only tithe but also give like the old widow did. The question is, are we sowing into God’s Kingdom or into a satanic system started by a pervert who picked lies from other cults like the RC, the Jehovah witnesses and the Mormons and created his own version adding his own Celibacy Zionistic spin, which would ultimately feed his own selfish lusts.
Sadly, none of the early leaders had the knowledge to see through it but bought the lie, hook line and sinker. By the time, they realized that they have been deceived, they got sucked into the system and never had the courage to get rid of the false teachings because they were too scared to upset the applecart. They justified it by the classic statement every cult uses, “It is growing so it must be God’s work”. I’m sure that is what the current leaders are doing even though they know that what they stand for is a lie.
Unfortunately, this cult was inspired by the devil and there is nothing wrong for any true Christian to climb on the rooftops and shout – Stop funding the Beast.
The question is are you a true christian.
By the way, this site has created confusion in the enemy’s camp just like in Gideon’s time. Some Suits are disappearing from whatsapp profile pictures.
Suits?name them please.
Hi Steve, most of overseas workers wear suits and ties and matching shoes, all branded expensive ones so its a task to name all of them.
just google TPM chief pastors and do image search.. you’ll find a bunch of them..
Why wear suits?Why use cell phone?why use internet?They used to teach all this a s sin and still teach?Liars,hypocrisies.Name them and shame them.A good person silence doe more destroy than evil persons wickedness.
Have you read Galatians? Do you understand difference between legalism and gospel? I don’t think so, otherwise you wouldn’t have bound yourself in 10% legality. Anyway it would be great if you had understood what Jesus meant in following passage.
Mat 9:14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?
Mat 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
Mat 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
Mat 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
Love TPM, I love your logic and your sense of humour. This site is shining the light of God”s Word into the darkness which engulfs the TPM cult. If you have anything to say using the Bible to counter the arguments put forth by the writers, pleased do so and I would love to hear it.
I left TPM more than a year ago after spending my entire life in bondage of this cult. This website has confirmed my decision and I praise God that there are still some brave men in TPM who are willing to expose this cult. I strongly believe that this website will be bring about a reformation within TPM.
As Lincoln said, you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. It is high time that the principals and teachers humble themselves and ask themselves if what they are teaching the students is from the Bible or is it like the Malayalam proverb you quoted. The deeper truths just like your proverb sounds good but does it align with the Word of God.
There is a group of people rising within this cult who have been deceived for so long that they will raise up and bring about the change. It just a matter of time. The question is, will you be one of those brave men who will stand up for the Truth or will you sell your soul to the servants of Satan for the temporal security it offers you on this earth.
Brother Franklin, Now I understand why you wrote what you wrote…. I also understand why the MEEKEST person on Earth Jesus…. used his hands to teach the people outside His father’s temple…. why he resorted to breaking angry casting them out when they associated godliness with money . Ppl like love TPM….. are they naive or deliberately refusing to wake up
Tithes @ 10% is not must. It is the wholeheartedness. Tithing costed from 10 – 27% for the Israelites. If you want to tithe, do it wholeheartedly, not with the belief that the curses wrought on by squandering the rest 90% for yourselves will be redeemed by the tithe and offerings. Do it for the Glory of God so that the Church you attend does not suffer when it comes to worshipping God.
God owns it all. Giving generously as a Christian is as important as giving money without expectation when a person seeks financial help. Do not give or give without expecting nothing when it comes to matters of money.
To pay tithes for receive God’s blessing is a delusion that makes you pay to everyone thinking of blessings. Have we not been set examples by Apostles to involve in relief work. How many churches do these?
Jesus Christ has set you free indeed! Give wholeheartedly and not be concerned where the money goes. Or don’t give it, if you are doubtful of the person who has been set steward over it.
You are not returning what already is His. You are to return to God that is foremost.
Dear love TPM,
I have mentioned your lack of bible knowledge not to downgrade you but with the intention of realising the reality which no TPM frauds (TPM Saints) do. I would cite an example.
Few months back during a convention center pastor of Mumbai pastor Unis preached that if we have unity we will have that so called “deeper truths”. Immediately my thoughts went to the fight between Paul and Barnabas mentioned in Acts 15. He means that they didn’t have deeper truths. Brother/sister love TPM these are the last days. Prepare yourself for the rapture. Nobody will inherit the kingdom of GOD through church worshiping and pastor worshiping. Ones redemption is only through JESUS, no other way. Almost all of these white clad day time saints of TPM know that they won’t go to heaven. They want to make sure that those who listen them should also follow them to their destination.
Since our GOD is a compassionate GOD, HE may forgive the ignorance of the believers.
2 Corinthians 11:14, “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”
About tithing admin tried his/her best to clear the doubt. Any free thinking man/woman can easily understand it.
Galatians 1:8, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”
The difference in opinion with regard to Mark between Paul and Barnabas cannot be called a fight between Paul and Barnabas.
They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus.
Do you see the above verse as just a difference of opinion?
The difference of opinion may be an understatement, but later there was some reconciliation taking place which resulted in Paul having better words for Mark in II Tim 4:11 (no more sharp disagreements now that he is asking them to bring him). Calling that a fight would amount to saying that they had a physical altercation or a violent struggle.
Thanks …Not only that..Even when Paul and Barnabas were serving God separately as per their callings, at no point either of them counted the other as inferior or having less of any Godly things..
So what does it teach you? Do you see any superiority or inferiority grading as is at the foundation of TPM?
I say, the moment you think you are better than any other christian or his ministry, you are fallen because you have given yourself to PRIDE.
Neither Paul nor Barnabas claimed to have “Deeper Truths” to the exclusivity of the other .
Is this superiority or inferiority grading an observation of yours or it has been officially documented anywhere?
Claims and counterclaims can be made in this regard by earthly minded, but I can tell you that God is no respecter of persons (or the title of their positions).
While ordaining ministers or elders or Pastors, Bro. TU clearly told everyone that it is not to be considered as a promotion (that one is superior over another).
Do you know that TPM Clergy keeps proclaiming that They are superior to the Laity and their eternal destiny is also different?
TPM Publications have clearly spelt out the above.
Words do not really matter but Actions do. And TU is one person who really has issues with following up on actions.
For eg. He kept preaching about Forgiveness often. However, I know that in his personal life, Forgiveness was a far cry.
I know one Bro. N. Luke (currently in Malaysia or one of the countries around as in-charge of ministry) saying that full time ministers or clergy can also be found in hell unless they are perfected. Many others have shared the same view.
It is safe to ignore any of these claims in publications which make unscriptural proclamations.
I am yet to find a scripture which says that we will be put in hell if we are not perfected.
As long as I know, we will never be perfect in this side of the Grave.
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2
Our Perfection does not depend on our works. It only depends on his Finished work on the Cross. If we could have been perfected by our good deeds and other works, I think Christ died in Vain. I hope you understood my point.
You want the difference of opinion lasts for ever. That is the case with so called white clad day time saints. Kindly go through the comments of “i am real”. From his/her comments even the highest rated diehard tpm fellows can easily understand the true picture behind the scene. I sincerely appreciate his courage and longing for freeing these enslaved tpm believers.
For all your remarks admin has very well explained all the points. Still you can’t understand means clear indication of lack of bible knowledge in true spirit and the absence of Holy Spirit. Please read the bible without TPM lens, then Holy Spirit will guide you.
Inspite of all these allegations not only from Delhi but also from various corners of the World Chief Pastors issue circulars to discipline the marriage rules. TPM allow other Pentecostal believers to join without going for another water baptism and can take Holy Communion. In such situation how our CP warn the believers not to give their children to marriage to other Pentecostals and even parents cannot go to attend those marriages, if attend they will be punished. Wonder. Because people are in TPM, can they go when Christ comes? Then what about Peter, John, Paul, etc. Many are coming to TPM without knowing the doctrine of truth, and also we invite young people for the ministry without any calling and because of those people all troubles in our church. TPM want their property and money, but people who go for marriage should not demand any money from her parents. We say we live by faith, but all the works are done by poor believers and non-blievers and also pay salary and perks for many. As Joseph brought all the wealth and money and people for Pharaoh, now we amass all wealth and building for Antichrist. Saying we are poor, living in Palaces and if anybody asks, is it your money, this is God given money and I can do what I want. Earlier believers were an ahead ache for saints, now workers are headache for believers. CP were more shrewd to stop internet and other IT works by believers, but all the workers outside India are having all these for use. Even in India all pastors use whatsapp and do all sorts of non-sense and claim they are very good saints. Truly those workers lost the fear of God, no prayer life in Faith Homes, and abuse the young generation and take undue advantage of them. Old saints lived for the truth and doctrine but now where is those things? The circular issued regarding marriage rules is only for Indian believers or for the whole world believers? Even in US Pas. Wilson solemnised marriage for the workers. Out side India CP wear foreign style of dresses but here these so called workers living like frog in well start to threaten poor believers to wear only white and white. Is there any sense? Instead of giving strict rules and showing love to believers and workers, CP should behave like our beloved Pastor TU. Why they are not able to understand the problems and feelings of sincere believers who are giving their life for the truth an the church? After receiving their money and other services, they are treated like curry-leaves.
There’s a letter circulating on watsap in the name of TPM welfare association tamilnadu.we got a malayalam translation. It is a request to chief pastor to cancel the the circular against marriage with other pentecostal people. Does the letter do any good? Whoever got the letter please share it maximum. So that these enslaved TPM folks get some enlightenment.
Be it true or false. One thing is sure that TPM standard has lowered. The atrocities I’m not to judge. May be God has raised this group to bring to light the things that are worked in dark. As a believer, one thing is clear that we hold on to Bible and walk. We honour the ministers. When we see them giving wrong info we avoid their inputs.
A great outpouring and revival could only make things aright. Let’s keep in prayers and wait upon Lord.
True many discipline circulars are being circulated and same goes with ministers which we may not be aware. I was shocked that here our pastor solomnized a re-marriage in faithome. Husband was a widow with 2 grown up children. The girl was another widow and both got married. I don’t think it was happening earlier in TPM. Is this a new rule?
God says that’s okay. Nothing wrong with a widow and a widower getting married. Let’s not call something a sin which God calls holy.
Mr.Love tpm-Love Jesus first and above humans.Not because of anything but you are free of curses and the power of evil because of his selfless sacrifice.Trust me when I tell you these so called saints lie a lot.Its an agenda.Read the bible.When you read a verse read it in context.Read it again and again.Use your discretion.We are not governed by the old testament laws,we don’t live in Israel.We pay taxes to Indian government.The people in Leviticus and Malachi were in Israel under the Mosaic law.Are we under that now?Do we still sacrifice animals?.Does or priest wear ephod?Who is our high priest?Do we have all this as literally as it used to be before Jesus Christ?Do we seperate clean,unclean food?Completely,totally remove blood from the flesh?Not wear mix clothes etc.So stop being ridiculous.If the saints said dont use internet and its good then why are you here,So you can selectively disobey just like they do in tpm?Selective disobedience.They ask you not to wear jewellery is it biblical?On the other hand some believers come in benzes,bmws.Their women dont wear jewellery but would have crown like sparkling slides on their heads.The pastors in America and Western countries wear expensive suits and matching ties which changes each sermon,But in India if a bride or a groom has a bit of colour on their wedding dress,these so called pastors threaten to walk out.Hypocrisy to the highest order.They get fatter and fatter.Their gluttony for food is unparalleled.You try not giving tithe for some time you can see their attitude change.Btw if you think your money is cursed you can give it to me.Theytake this money in form of tithes nad wont give it to poor.They buy more and more properties and build better buidings.On the other hand people with debts and no house give tithes and stay poor.Ive seen these saints at food joints.Btw Im responsible for my own soul and salvation.Not these so called saints who wear white.Mat23:23-27.Some of them wont visit sick in hospital.They cant do miracles and claim Divine healing.So many people have died without medical care.They claim they lead through Holy Spirit,where are the fruits?I have heard a centre pastor being extremely disrespectful and Angry and shouting on the phone.So many things I know about them.Then they say people have shortcomings.Such Jokers.
Let this site became an eye opener for many true believers who seeks truth. A revolution should start in this organization. Time is up for cleansing and many should come out.
A believer but in transit mode.
I think this site is surely having an impact here in the Asiapac. The local chief has taken down his suit clad profile picture on WhatsApp. Maybe it is convention time and the chief wolves are here on their annual jamboree and he wants to protect his back.
The things they do to fool people is sick, makes me nauseate.
This is extreme of calling people by animal names. It’s rude. If they are from devil, who are your father from. Let’s maintain decorum and keep sharing and exposing dark things. It really jolts every TPM, be it the fans here or the general believers. In return it will give a great relief to all.
I’m sorry if I have offended you. As a christian, Jesus Christ is my Chief pastor/shepherd. If anyone usurps that title no matter how good or consecrated or well intentioned they are, such people are either illiterate or false christs, which in the Bible are called wolves in sheep’s clothing.
By the ways I love wolves but hate the spirit behind the false shepherds. So my dear friend you can chose to stand for the Truth or support this satanic system which is devouring innocent souls. If you are a true child of God, you will know the wolves.
A verse reminds me is of seventy times seven. Jesus is our shepherd. I’m not hear to accuse others when I’ve been forgiven by my Jesus. I live it to Jesus to act accordingly per His divinity.
Neither am I accusing anyone. I’m calling out loud and clear what I see and I think this site is also doing the same.
My forgiveness does not come into the picture as no one has offended me. This is a satanic system and as a christian it is one’s duty to support any initiative to change it.
Which local chief?Whatsapp?seriously?Name and shame them please.Name ans Shame.Give details whenever you accuse somebody.
Sorry, I’m not accusing anyone but stated a fact. I’m not qualified to accuse as I use WhatsApp/wear suit.
Also it is not a sin/ crime to change your profile picture or wear a suit or use WhatsApp. Their own laws is accusing them.
Also since it not a crime, why name anyone as we are fighting the system and not the individual. He maybe a good man but unfortunately trapped in a satanic system which will not allow him to get out.
This celibacy and total consecration is devil’s greatest weapon in holding these good men/women captive. However if their eyes are opened, they will step out trusting God either to change the system or completely or get out of this mess not worrying about their future.
The question is do they know Jesus so that they can walk on the water?
A few brave men have swallowed their pride and have walked away so it is possible.
Our God is a miracle working God and he will call out his elect even from this unholy mess for His Names’s sake.
Name and shame them.
He is the chief of the Pacific branches including Australia and NZ. Every branch minister in this region use smart phones with WhatsApp so I don’t find it unusual. Talk about hypocrisy and double standards.
Maybe they are heading to Zion West in their suits and smart phones while the rest in India and elsewhere will inhabit Zion East clad in Robin blue white righteousness. Satan will be in the middle with the chiefs wolves and they will rule and reign forever.
However there is still hope as our Lord is merciful and will forgive if only they would swallow their pride and humble themselves and start tending his flock as true shepherds and not like hired hands.
People open your eyes! Either quit the system or demand change. You are supporting and funding an Antichrist system and in the process sealing your eternal destiny.
Oh how I wish that God will have mercy and open the eyes of these people so that they can turn from their wicked ways and serve the true God.
Pastor Robin Joshua to Zion West, and Robin blue white clad saints to Zion East
Why do people working abroad who are from India not recognise and highlight these discrepancy?Like chameleons they change coloue of clothes.Funny.Here in the south,they wont conduct marriage if there is even a bit of colour?Threaten to walk put.All the drama.Admin start posting photos,videos etc.Let people be more aware here.
Steve, they all wear navy or black / dark grey suits with matching or contrast ties even in hot summer. They all have latest iPhones with unlimited internet or very large mobile data like 80 or 100 GB. They all have both Macbook and a windows based laptop. They use WhatsApp etc., and constantly browse even when they come for visit. They don’t even have time to talk, all they come for is to feast. I can keep on telling the discrepancies. They get away mostly because they give “ministries” to the believers like singing, music, Sunday school and even Sunday message when the minister goes to branch etc., to shut the believers mouth. Of course, ministry is distributed according to how much dollars you pump in…For example, if you have a million dollar house and in a white collar job, then you can be a Sunday school headmaster even if you’ve just joined TPM (this example is actually true). Probably, admin should write an article about their double standards exclusively on the differences between east and west.
Dear Brother Freddy, I am actually not shocked but subdued to see the happenings in TPM outside India. During every International convention I used to see that the believers from abroad had separate kitchens, better washrooms and above all I was appalled to see that those believers were allowed to wear skirts or other comfortable clothes whereas the believers here …. I mean the ladies were required to wear ONLY and ONLY white SAREE. I always used to tell my husband this….. did JESUS tell us to wear saree only ??? If yes (according to TPM) then why are the ppl from outside allowed to wear skirts and are drooled upon by everyone. This has definitely been a disgusting sight for me all the time. I always shared my distress to my husband asking if JESUS acted differently there and here. Brother…. can you please share ALL the discrepancies going on there with details ….. and how is it that these rich believers are able to worship GOD with all this going on
Sister, when I say all..I mean all workers. Actually the workers here wear suits whereas the believers wear shirts/pants/tops/skirts. Of course, the believers are all from TPM India&Sri Lanka but they can wear whatever they want. Infact one believer sister who sings in pulpit on Sunday wears worse than western girls like laced transparent top (almost sleeveless) and skirt above knee. When we saw first week, my wife couldn’t believe and she said…she is goit to get blasted from elder sister for dressing like that. We are here for many yrs and still she wears like that. This is just an example. Because its overseas and especially this family is rich, they don’t care…Leave about India, even here we have special meetings and convention in centre. People who are rich and pump in more dollars are given accommodation in luxury hotels, and the not so well off people get accommodation in a community inn.
So …. the doctrines and rules about dressing are only for the Indians….. even if we wear Chudidhar here we get a look as if we have committed a heinous crime….. especially if it is in color that’s all…. my son doesn’t wear white pants but white shirt alone ( by the way he is 9) …. so the pastor asked me if all my actions were pleasing unto the Lord ….. although I brushed it off…. my question is….. if th is is not a requisite for salvation then why to put so much of stress on this ….. doesn’t Jesus look ONLY at the heart ??? I even shared it on this forum…. last month one sister testified that she saw people burning in hell and tortured by snakes for wearing jewels and makeup…. and it is being preached every week…. but it is seems abroad this SAME church doesn’t follow any of these rules…..
As I said, its not for Indians (as all worker “saints” who wear coloured suits are Indians). White clothing is just a practice in India just inflict fear and put an act of spirituality.
I’m perplexed by few admin here like Franklin, admin, and few who fiercely attack TPM as shores and they are now claiming as HOLY ONES. I’m equally burdened like the owners and team here as everyone here are TPM in majority. Few die hard TPM who have started this site is due to burden though they love this place. They have come out like reformers to expose for people to convict and repent. Let’s do that.
It seems that you are not Able to digest the truth about your so called saints. Now that you have no face to show, you are outright lying that I claim to be “Holy Ones”. That is so preposterous of you. I understand that it’s bitter to know that you spend most of your life following these religious thugs and spend a good amount of your money at them..I understand your pain…But is not it better late than never?
No. I never compared. I am still thinking almost all are TPM here and trying to expose and revive the church. This is what I see as a disclaimer in almost all posts by the admin.
Is it absolutely imperative to compare me and admin. I don’t have anything to do with admin. Both of our views may be same. There are humongous number of people from TPM supporting my view. There are many opposing also. From the comments of many readers it has become almost certain that many of the enslaved believers are understanding the reality behind the white clad so called saints.
I am a regular visitor of this site for many months. From the comments of certain people I have understood that their die-hard tpm attitude has changed. This is the miraculous work of GOD.
Hold on to that which is good. No one preach to enslave in various immorality. If the leaders are being enslaved, we pity and cry to God. We are not in old Testament to stone them and kill rather reminds me of seventy times seven. But much precautionary steps taken by such incidents whereby all rechecks with holy spirit and takes the action and doesn’t blindly follow the ministers.
Like you I’m also with zealous thought of name and shame. I have my own print media and can publish in locals and nationals and Channels, but a Word came like sword warning me of 3 things. I immediately repented and took a step back and see all as good.
If leaders are erring, woe unto them. You and I who know are need to lament and pray with fast for such fall Satan is working these days.
The 3 things were Miriam becoming leper, the man who owned 1000 talents and seventy times seven.
I was ready and was vege of printing posters of MT Thomas burning Indian rupees, Mumbai incidents, Sunny George, the letter, etc and ask goons to paste everywhere including our church compounds. But these verses spoke loud and clear.
One might say the verses were from devil. I leave it to you to take it as you want, but I shivered and took back step and set my relationship with God aright.
Evil are there everywhere. When we hear, pray and let’s communicate directly to our ministers in tears. This is proactive than indulging in pointing games.
I’m not supporting anyone here but just following what Jesus did.
@ koshy brother
I’ll add few sentences to what bro/sis Ash said:
Kindly go through the link above, read it slowly, and then if you do not agree we can discuss whether it is right thing to watch people slide to pits of hell, by saying “Let God save them, I will only pray!”?
This is exactly the same attitude James lashes at! In James 2:15 he says “If a brother or sister be naked and destitute of daily food and one of you comfort him by saying depart in peace, and do not give him clothes to cover his body and food to satisfy his hunger, then what doth it profit?” Your prayer of faith is dead without works! Think logically brother koshy! When you see people of TPM enslaved in false teachings, duped by TPM saints, and just pray to God to work out something, instead of using the God given print media to you, what doth it profit brother? Faith without works is dead!
Yes, you are seeing them naked. Cover them. Tell them openly.
@ Brother Koshy
We are doing with whatever resources we have. Directly, on phone, through website. What about you? Are you utilising the resources God has given you? Are you delivering your fellow TPM believers from false teachings OR are you just praying?
This kind of attitude is what took TPM into this mess.
* If Bro Koshy’s Family member is about to be bit by a cobra, Will he sit and pray for deliverance?
* If anybody is going to be hit by a running train, will you sing praises and expect God to push that person out of the rail line?
I have not even seen ONE instance in the Bible where God Physically did a deliverance when others just prayed leaving God to do all the rest. The Bible is a story where men/woman of God worked for God by the inspiration of the Spirit. God does not deliver lazy people who outsource their responsibility back to God.
1. He used Gideon To deliver the Israelites from the Hands of the Midianites
2. He used Samson to deliver the Israelites from the hands of the Philistines
3. He used David to deliver the Israelites from the hands of Goliath
4. He used Elijah to Deliver the Israelites from the deception of Ahab, Jezebel and the prophets of Baal.
5. He used Nehemiah and Ezra to bring back the people who went to captivity
6. He used Mordecai and Esther to deliver the Jews from the hands of Hamaan.
7. He came as a Human Being to deliver Mankind from Sin
There are so many instances of that..But still our die hard Lazy Coward TPMite will continue to be so at their own peril
It’s not TPM rules. I referred bible and shared what Jesus did. You smearing at me is futile. It’s your pride attitude of now showing yourself as holy. I’m not pointing you and you and your family can continue to grow in holiness.
My claim was to pray. You are saying don’t pray. Kill them as you kill cobra. Good act. Why don’t you start. Kill. Anyone stopped you?
Modi or any minister loots our money in tax name. You know it. Kill him.
Be practical Bro.
What’s your intention of exposing? It’s good job as long as God is leading. Continue. I would personally recommend you to publish in channels and media to go high. Fear will grip people. I was about to do and God warned me. May be my sins were more and hence God objected. You may find favor and please do for the benefit of all.
Well I am sorry that did not understand my analogy and unfortunately tried applying it wrongly and also twisted it for your ends. The cobra was an analogy. We are supposed to be led by the Spirit.
In real situation, yes kill the cobra rather than sitting for a prayer. Extreme situations demand Extreme measures.
Can you show me Jesus going and praying in the temple after he saw the money changers and dove sellers? No He know what needs to be done at the right time. People who derelict their responsibilities and hide behind excuses are just tools of Satan. Pray early when it is needed, but do not derelict duties in the battle field.
You are the one being impractical. When do you expect to show the light to poor TPM believers?
According to the Bible, if you do not set things right even after you know that your neighbor is treading on dangerous ground, YOU HATE HIM.
“Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt”. Leviticus 19:17
How do you recognize whether a voice is indeed a voice from God? I dont know how you would, but as for me, one sure test is that the voice must match the mind behind the written word of God. Satan knows how to use scriptures or God spoken word , but he doesn’t use it in right context. He used Gods words to decieve Eve. He tried the same with Jesus himself. In short , when Bible clearly says, to expose false teachings, I don’t understand why you think that God wants you to keep your lips sealed ?
Admin and Ash has clearly shown that Jesus sharply criticized Pharisees. By keepin quiet, how can you think you are following Jesus. I am not asking you to humiliate someone, but at least you can expose false teaching and horrendous acts of FH inmates without taking someone’s name! Maybe God has stopped you from humiliating someone, but I dont think he meant that you should fevi-quick seal your lips!
Then its right and keep moving per God’s direction. No one can stop when God is on your side.
Ye are the light of the world….Matthew 5:14
Jesus expects us to be showing the Light of the Gospel into the Darkness created by Modern Pharisees of TPM who are leading people to bondage.
If you think somebody else will show the Light, it is a sorry state for you as you have No More Light to expose the works of Darkness and you are in Darkness already.
Who somebody other than Jesus? Who is stopping you to show the light of Gospel? All should show the light.
Its not about us..Its about you brother. You have a printing press and you have all resources to show the light…But you said that you got scared by the Twisted TPM Interpretation of Miriam becoming a Leper?
For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. Matt 16:25
Not twisted message. It’s God’s message to me. Don’t know why you are bragging on me. Yes I have sources to do but all things are not permissible when you surrender to God.
Let me put in more simple terms. You have money and a shop of alcohol. Go and drink as you have money. You will say I don’t drink or not interested and I blame you as coward. It’s just an example. You are doing the same.
Put more evidence and I’m sure holier than I would be here to spread it like wild fire in all churches and tracts and posters and Channels.
Dear Brother…If you are pulled back from doing what is right, then it was not God’s message for sure. It was devil’s scare tactics.
Is it wrong to expose false teaching ? Is there any example in Bible where sinless perfected man exposed heresies while the sinners kept mum? All the prophets of God, who were killed by Israelites like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah, Elisha were men with passion like us! Isaiah said,I am a man of unclean lips. Being unclean didn’t stop him from exposing idolatry of Israelites. Similarly New Testament tells Elisha was man of passion like us. But that didn’t stop him from exposing wickedness of jezebel. Paul never though of himself as perfectly sinless. He knew he is prone to weakness but that didn’t stop him from speaking against leagalizers! It is good that you realize you are weak , but that should not stop you from exposing. Rather it is added advantage to know our own state so that we don’t become haughty when we do exposition.
Brother koshy I wish tpm pastors had such a nice heart like you, when they find smallest of mistakes with the believers, they don’t give communion, shame them in public and hold grudge till the end
@Koshy-If you are following Jesus and keeping quiet?Thats contradictory statement.Jesus spoke at the right time,took a whip at the right time,wrote on sand the right time,stayed quiet at the right time.He never kept quiet at the injustice of Pharisees and Saducees.He was zealous for his Father but he kept quiet when he was tortured.So Jesus kept quiet when he suffered not when others did wrong.Miriam became a leper,Aaron didnt. Numbers 12:1-15.See the whole context.The reason Miriam said.Regarding 1000 talents,how is this analogy applied here?Because they oppress the believers.Jesus asked you to forgive your brother seventy times seven.But these people have now done more than a million mistakes.So just dont be a reader,use your discretion.Read bible again and again and again.
@Ash – nice observation
So Jesus kept quiet when he suffered not when others did wrong.
Agree. Tell them. Publish it openly.
Well said. I would also speak these to the minister I meet at the right time. No doubt. You are in TPM too and if you are convicted, boldly testify or share it openly as you are going same church.
These grave secret sins are really atrocious and it pains all as it pains the mask of this site. Everyone are already sharing these and hopefully correction takes place.
Are you with intention trying to start another movement and group or trying to reform this organisation? I’m currently for the latter unless otherwise guided by God to start another or join another.
And I strongly believe every member of this like minded group has the same intention.
Dear Bro Koshy,
From your comments I can see that you are a good man, with good intentions and a heart to bring about change in this cult. If I were you, I will not be worried or surprised by the secret sins of the TPM elite as they are human just like you and me. We all sin, some openly while others do it secretly. This is the reason we need a Saviour and His name is Jesus Christ.
The core issue which needs to be addressed urgently is with the fundamental doctrines of this cult, it is not christian as it is not based on the Word of God. This site is shining the light on these dark teachings, which is enslaving both the leaders and the followers, preventing them from enjoying the glorious liberty which comes with salvation in Christ.
If you love TPM, then go to the leaders and ask them why do they teach these lies when they know it is wrong. If the leaders have a valid answer based on the Word of God, you should share it here as those of us who have fallen will return to the fold and sing praises of this cult. Please note it cannot be based on some pervert Leader’s wicked so called deep revelations passed on by one liar to another under the garb of false humility.
Some of the questions you need to ask:
• the incomplete work of Christ,
• is salvation a gift of God or can we earn it?
• why the TPM Chiefs have taken the title of Christ (Chief Shepherd) just like the Pope has done by calling himself the Vicar of christ.
• The reasoning behind Zion/Jerusalem divide,
• the doctrine of the Nicolaitans,
• Why do they continue promoting the above even when they know it is wrong?
• Also, ask them why they have double standards – one set of rules for the West and one set for the poor Indians/SL/Asians.
• Why double standards when it comes to church discipline. Our friend Sunny would have been stoned to death if his misdeeds had come to light to the Gulf authorities (their righteousness is better than TPM’s). If a believer attends his own child’s marriage in a different church, they are banned from testifying for 6 months.
• Why do they sing songs written by denominations which they refer to Left Behind churches?
I can add more if you want to, but this should be enough for now.
Also, it would be great for your own edification to skip the scandals on this site and focus on the articles about the doctrinal heresies of TPM. The dark deeds of the leaders exposed on this site are just the manifestation of God’s judgement on this cult. Read Romans chapter one. You will know the tree by its fruits.
I was also a sincere member of this cult my entire life and my ancestors were also part of this cult since 1940. Some of my relatives were centre pastors and workers so please do not think I’m talking in ignorance. It is high time good men and women stand up for Christ and not the denomination. Christ died for you so that you can live, while this cult is killing you so that it can thrive.
I was blind but now I see, praise God. Thank God for this site as it has confirmed my decision to quit this cult was correct.
On your part, you should share the link to this site to all your friends and TPM workers so that they know they are being deceived. You can testify and they will ban you/discipline you and how much can you say in 5 minutes. They will shut you down and shame you in front of the congregation to make an example of you. The men behind this site have wisdom and God will give them more insights which they can share for the edification of the true body of Christ.
Point to ponder. Will review by lines and will act.
Bro/sis “no more a slave”
Great interpretation. Hope that more enslaved will get freedom from your background. In spite of your credentials like Paul you have come out of this cult. Great work of GOD. Otherwise it is absolutely impossible to do that. May GOD bless you spiritually more and more.
i dnt knw have you ever had fellowship with the believers from the other church ..?they are faar faar better than this TPM clan . So the TPM fails to make disciples for a long period of time (the tpm born and brought ups )
this site is very helpful for the people like me who is new to this TPM and confused about the weird doctrines and twistings , even the preacher struggles at times when we ask some questions in your church .
pls go thr all the articles written here , will be a eye opener for you .
God bless ..!
Bro/sis Love TPM,
Poisonous appam won’t give the eater sufficientf time to count kuzhi. So make sure that appam is edible.
I think most the readers, writers and commentators including admin are still giving presence to the Sunday service at tpm faith homes. From the comments of many people you can understand that there is no edification in the preaching of these white clad frauds. Someone in his/her article written that its not faith homes but fake homes.
Brother it is their experiences. No One can question other’s experiences. Please read bible without tpm lens and tpm prejudices. Then holy spirit will guide you. May GOD bless you.
No one reads bible with bias. Reading and Meditating is always a personal experience with Lord. Hence you should take that mote out of your thought to be unbiased while commenting.
Secondly, side track: I heard few young girls in Kellys went in trance and saw many believers in Zion and less of ministers. This was suppressed as it was against the TPM doctrine where they say only ministers can go to Zion, which is actually incorrect. There are many believers too who are celibate and live what is said in Revelation. It’s another topic altogether, but just wanted to give an heads-up and we can take that in separate thread.
Ende priyapetta Koshychaya, Celibacy or consecration does not take anyone to Zion. It is the blood of Christ and nothing else.
Please read Revelation 7:9,10
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Please note they stood before the throne and worshipped Jesus, they were not standing in New Earth or New Heaven or New Jerusalem.
Anyone who repents and believes in the Christ of the bible, rest assured, he will be with Him and for me personally it does not matter where it is as long as I’m with my precious Saviour. He is a just and Holy God and I’m a poor sinful beggar on whom He showed mercy so what rights do I have to say who can go where in Eternity.
@Franklin… I want to ask one question seriously. Why you all are still giving presence to TPM meetings, if you find that organisation is cult. Just to write about them ? You all don’t have any other matters or Job.? There are so many perishing souls to whom Gospel has to be proclaimed. Why don’t you use your so much of Bible knowledge to save the unsaved souls. One thing you all have to remember. The more you know the more the punishment. Either pray for them if they are erring or just walk off and do good what is good according to you. The way you guys are behaving, is not a good example for people who are newly saved.!!!! This is only my suggestion. Pls don’t ask me questions from Bible with your abundant knowledge. I will not be able to….. I am sorry…….I am leaving the option to you.
Dear Brother Prem,
The very fact that you are on this site and defending your faith shows that your intentions are good and you are zealous for the truth. I greatly appreciate your qualities as I was just like you until I found The Truth. Now I’m driven by only one thing and that is to share that Gospel/Good news to the lost. Where shall I begin? Of course, first and foremost in my family, then my friends and finally with my own congregation.
Since what God has given me is so beautiful, I want to share it, it is not a hidden ministry. Also, there are no deeper truths, it is a simple Gospel which was preached by the True Apostles who are named in the Bible. Since it is a free gift (but priceless) and my Lord has commanded me to share it with everyone, I’m doing so.
I think men like the Site Admin, our brother Franklin and others who contribute actively on this site are just demonstrating their love for Jesus and following his command to be a ‘City on a hill’, not hidden humbly.
If you truly love Jesus, read the articles objectively and draw your own conclusion. Please ignore the scandals and the misdeeds as you must have been hearing about them since you joined TPM. The scandals are addressed to the new believers so that they don’t end up like us – enslaved for life. Let them enjoy the freedom which comes with salvation in Jesus Christ.
Just because we are trapped, should we keep our mouth shut. Hope one day you will realise your predicament and join the march to Jesus’s Zion not Alwin’s Hell hole.
None of the articles exposing the heresies of our beloved TPM on this site are anyone’s personal revelations/interpretations but the Truth which is revealed in the Bible. They have let the Bible interpret the Bible. Unfortunately, I don’t think they have access to Satan to get new revelations which are found in the Deeper truths of TPM.
So, Brother, if you cannot stand up for the Truth, please don’t discourage these brave men as you will become an enemy of Christ.
Finally, one of the signs of a truly born again Christian is an insatiable hunger for the Truth. So dear brother, it is worthwhile for us to invest in reading the Bible and know more about the only God who died for us so that we can live. He deserves that much gratitude at least from wretched men like us. Don’t you agree.
I was in this cult because I believed the lies and did not look for the Truth. Now that the Truth has set me free, I want everyone (workers and members) to be free from this bondage.
Brother, if you don’t like this site at least expose its deeper lies by telling other TPM members so that they will know how glorious their deeper truths are and how the this site’s authors have failed in their endeavour to expose TPM’s lies. They can have a laugh and praise their gods.
Moral: What I have learned from my TPM sojourn is “Don’t ever go to a Butcher to cut your hair”
Best Reply 🙂
I was expecting a reply from Franklin as I had addressed to him directly. However since you have replied I am addressing.
Regarding starting of Gospel you had mentioned first in family – is your family not saved ?? Then friends… if you have non-Christian friends then Yes. Finally with own congregation- does this mean the congregation needs Gospel ?? Are they not saved by accepting the Gospel already told to them by somebody ..?
You are saying that you are sharing the simple Gospel (of the Apostles of Bible) which is free gift. I fully agree with you and May our Lord reward you exceedingly well. But the question is whether you are doing it in right way! (By speaking ill of an organisation and its preaching)
The site admin and the team members are contributing actively yes…. but don’t call they are demonstrating their love for Jesus. If they really demonstrate the Love, they should even love their enemies. Are they really following His commands ??? I would say know as per my understanding of their current ministry. Any new comer to this site will definitely not get saved or take the preaching because the way the Gospel and Truth or proclaimed here ( Members of the same church are accusing about the preaching of the other preachers)
I truly love Jesus and that’s the reason I am writing this reply to you. You have already concluded that I had joined TPM. Fine. Wherever I am Whether I hear about the scandals /misdeeds or not. It doesn’t matter at all to me. I RUN MY RACE THAT I MAY OBTAIN. None of these things will hinder me. However IT IS NOT OF HIM THAT WILLETH, NOR OF HIM THAT RUNNETH, BUT OF GOD THAT SHEWETH MERCY. Again you have mentioned that the scandals are addressed to the new believers so that they don’t end up like us (who US?) enslaved life – whom we are enslaved. (Once upon a time we were enslaved to sin but now after knowing truth and delivered by the precious blood of our Lord, we are no more in slave, we are free and independent.) The new souls cannot enjoy the freedom because they will get offended by seeing the anti-TPM preaching. Jesus said WOE UNTO HIM THROUGH WHOM THEY (OFFENCES) COME.
We are not trapped in anything. Any time we can come out from wherever we are. Why are you saying we are trapped. Is that because of the compulsion of your family people (PARENTS OR SPOUCES OR CHILDREN) you are attending TPM and still feel under the trap? Every body is marching towards the ETERNAL HABITATIONS and according to our every deed we will bet a place. Why are you looking at men?
You can also reveal the truth of BIBLE without exposing others. You can be the best talented person by winning the contest or passing the exam – Not by telling others are unwise or fools! It is not decency you know!
I am standing up for the truth and that’s the reason I am writing so detailed explanation. I challenge you if one soul backslides or go away from the truth by reading your articles and get offended, you will be answerable to God. You please keep this in mind.
I fully agree with you to the fact that if we are not thankful to the Lord for the salvation we will be the most treacherous people. Reading Bible is most important for every Christian.
Why should I go and tell others about this site be it to the members of TPM or others. I am not living to promote any organisation or defame one. Lord says BUT WHOSOVER SHALL SAY THOU FOOL SHALL BE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE. For telling a brother fool , such a great punishment. There are many words being used to address the TPM believers and the workers by your team members. Be ready to face the wrath of God. – I am not threatening you – pls don’t take it otherwise. I just reminded you of a rule.
AND THE PEACE OF GOD WHICH PASSETH ALL UNDERSTANDING SHALL KEEP YOUR HEARTS AND MINDS THROUGH CHRIST JESUS. AMEN
Prem, is the gospel you believe, one where Jesus will leave you behind because you took an aspirin pill? Coz that’s the gospel of tpm. It is no gospel at all. It is salvation by works and that runs contrary to the word of God. Forget the scandals. Every single tpm doctrine is a false doctrine that will make anyone believing in them in danger of eternal damnation.
Richard, it shows you have not read my reply fully and understood
My only question earlier and even now is knowing every doctrine is False why are you still attending?? and why are you so concerned about somebody preaching false doctrine?? There are about 37,000 denominations in the world, are all of them preaching right doctrine and only TPM is preaching false doctrine.
Many People still go to the faith Home for the same reason that Paul went to the synagogue of the Jews
As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:2
i asked why this team is still attending TPM. You are saying many people go to faith home – who are those many people. Paul went to synagogue for the purpose of making the Jews to believe in Jesus . What you are trying to tell here only God knows.
@ prem Kumar
Richard said that he goes to TPM to pull people out from the grip of false gospel preached by TPM saints. Johnson quoted example of Paul who went to synagogue first, (his own people first). He meant that Richard goes to his own people (Tpm believers ) first. Later he might turn to others if TPM keeps rejecting the truth! What’s hard to understand that we are saying that the gospel which you think as gospel is no gospel. We are in Tpm to tell them the difference between the original and the masked one. Your entire foundation on which you stand is in jeopardy! It’s not about few white clad fellows making nuisance. We know how to neglect misdeeds n mistakes. But the central focus of all the attempt of this site is to make you realize the ground on which you are standing. Gospel !! Gospel !!! Gospel !!! – the difference between original n fake!
//We are in Tpm to tell them the difference between the original and the masked one//
Why don’t you have guts to go and tell them directly that the Gospel they are preaching is not original. why like a coward you are attending their meeting and coming here (this site) and cribbing?
Did Paul use vain or uncivilized or disrespectful words to describe those who did not have the same beliefs like him?
Did Paul choose any inappropriate words while confronting Peter in Galatians 2:11-14?
Why cannot you go and confront these people directly face to face in a civilized manner?
@ Prem Kumar
Yes brother, we have directly communicated our differences to Tpm ministers with whom we are in touch with. FYI: Some of Tpm saints have agreed that there is problem with Tpm teachings. I hope that answers your question about why few in this team still attend Tpm. Now instead of chitchatting on others and trying to be advocate of tpm ministers, why not you tell me what Gospel you believe ? Have you ever read Rom 5:19-20.
Dear Prem, You should check out the latest post about the double standards of our church. The pictures are great, don’t you think we should frame them and send them to St Jude the second for more blessings. click this link https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/09/26/witchcraft-and-jezebel-spirit/
I have given enough explanation to you. Please also read my reply to Richard. You are again telling the same thing. Some psychological problem. You tell there is double standard. You still attend there. I seriously think that you all are under some bondage. Your family members might be strong TPM believers and definitely you can not change them. If the TPM admin knows you have become anti-TPM it will affect your family members so you are under some compulsion. In one context you say some of you are still attending TPM. In another context you say you have come out some time back. Where are you heading to? Any clue ?
Dear Brother, I have quit TPM after spending my lifetime there because it is worse than the church of satan. TPM is an abomination in God’s sight because they lie in the name of Christ.
About my eternal destiny, it is safely tucked in the palms of my God. I have no say in it as Jesus has paid it all. Even the justifying faith I have is a gift of my Saviour. I have no righteousness but I’m covered by the precious blood of my dear Lord. The reason I talk about The Truth is because Jesus has commanded me to. Is is not a hidden deeper truth my ministry.
Yes I’m in bondage to Jesus Christ but completely free from everything else including the bondage of TPM, which you love so much just like I did when I was blind.
Instead of arguing with me, please argue with the articles written here about TPM’s heresies and double standards, which will edify all readers including you.
Now that I have answered your question, can I ask one?
What do you call a person who takes the title of Chief Shepherd? The Bible says it is Jesus Christ. TPM says it is Stephen the humble. Only one can be true.
Satan tricked Eve by twisting the Truth which the servants of Satan are doing now and gullible fools like me and you eat the forbidden fruit joyfully thinking we will go to a higher place than what God has promised.
Are you on the true Shepherd’s side or are you with the false shepherd? The choice is yours.
Have a lovely day.
// TPM is an abomination in God’s sight because they lie in the name of Christ//
You are presumptuously using the words against them and you will have to answer God. I am seriously warning you.
None of you guys have answered my questions properly but grinding the same thing again and again. Pointless to argue with you guys.
Prem, I said every “TPM specific doctrine” is false. Of course not everything TPM teaches is false. I stopped attending TPM a few months ago. I was a lifelong “TPMite” fighting tooth and nail defending TPM as the best church there is. God opened my eyes as I read scripture.
Yes, there are many denominations. Most of them are false. Only the ones standing on the word of God are true. TPM stands on it’s own made up doctrines just like the RCC.
Thank you dear Brother for your patience and words of wisdom. I love you too much but not enough to agree with you as I fear God more.
I Praise God that I have left TPM and I wish that he will open your eyes one day. In the meantime The God of the Bible loves you so much that he is willing to wait but the gods of TPM will bless you instantly, for this stance.
You can continue to cut your hair at the Butcher’s, I will go to the Barber as I love my head.
Dear brother Prem Kumar,
You have said “Pls don’t ask me questions from Bible with your abundant knowledge. I will not be able to….. I am sorry…….I am leaving the option to you.”
Brother you have agreed that you don’t have much Bible knowledge. I am also in your category. The only difference is that I don’t blindly follow these white clad audacious people claiming that they have deeper truths because I know bible is complete, no more deeper truths are required. These people to enslave the innocent believers use all intimidatory tactics. This is one of them. The main problem for the entire TPM clan is their lack of bible knowledge. There is no bible interactive session in tpm. Why? Because they want to keep the entire flocks blinded.
With utmost respect I want to remind you that your lack of knowledge won’t be justified on the day of judgment. No one can save us except JESUS.
1 Corinthians 4:4, “My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.”
So brother understand the bible in true spirit, then you will have the courage to stand before these bible indoctrination. MAY GOD BLESS YOU SPIRITUALLY MORE AND MORE.
Bro/Sis ” No more a slave to Fear” Fabulous interpretation. My GOD bless you.
Don’t worry too much about my lack of Bible Knowledge and judgement. I have enough knowledge to live a Christian life. I meant to say I don’t have the knowledge like the “fromTPM ” Team taking Bible verse for every argument without knowing Word of God is two edged sword.
Thanks for your blessings
What a pathetic state you’re in Premkumar (just like all TPM brainwashed slaves). Very obviously, you have TPM’s version of Bible knowledge. You telling AP that its blasphemy for his comment is like telling its blasphemy to tell others to repent from sin. If you have had
the sincerity and willingness to please God, you would go through all the articles and clearly see how stinking this TPM cult is. But, your eyes are blinded and your mind is washed in the mire of man-made doctrines. Sadly, this is what TPM does to you!
Dear Prem Kumar,
You are a true follower of your white clad day time audacious frauds. Complete opportunist. When I said to follow the bible diligently, you said I have sufficient knowledge about Bible. Great, too good. But how far your bible is in conformity with Gospel preached by Jesus Christ. Even Satan knows Bible very well. What is the use of all the bible without understanding the truths.
2 Thessalonians 2:10,11, “And all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.”
Wow! What a great suggestion to Franklin. I think that either if you were alive at the time of Jesus or he was here right now when you are existing you would have advised the same thing to Jesus. You know Jesus, first came for his own but he was rejected by them. So what we are doing is first to save our own, who like blind are following the blind to fall in the eternal pit. If you can’t abstain from following the blind, plz continue; but we will continue our job within and without.
What a blasphemy comparing yourselves with Jesus that He came for His own and you want to save your own.
Whom you are calling the blind? The TPM believers which include your family members also?
In that case first save your family members from being lead to eternal pit. Then you can think of others.
in fact Christ is our measuring unit to check our spiritual growth. And every true child of God needs to go into measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ (Eph.4:13). You found it blasphemy just bcoz I said that as Jesus came to save his own so also we are. But don’t you think that it’s a highest form of blasphemy when your leader holding the title “CHIEF PASTOR”?
Yes, I have no problem in calling my own family members “BLIND” bcoz It’s a fact. I have done my part by expounding and the truth but I can’t forcefully bring them out. I don’t do like your TPM administration who implement the rules on believers by force. Like your false apostles I don’t interfere with the freewill of man. My job was to tell the truth and now it’s prerogative to accept it or not. But I am really burdened that they too are blind like you & worship their white clad people more than God. I am sad that like you they too are hailing the false teachings than the true teachings of CHRIST.
How long will the cult Zion doctrine be dreamed of, thought upon, spoken off, preached or believed amongst TPM?
What must be the grief of the Holy Spirit of God of this doctrine.
I am so grieved for you.
I suggest that TPM stop all services and people just stay in their homes for a while and read their Bibles, until the light of Jesus’ gospel and the new covenant in His blood be revealed in all hearts, and then such a weeping and such a repentance will take place for all the grievous sins committed against God and His holy child Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Open up your NT books. The heavenly Jerusalem is our heavenly city. Not Zion. No wonder God says by the Spirit that ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, Hebrews 12:22. Apostle Paul writes that we are the children of the promise, as Isaac was, and of the Spirit, and are free. See Gal 4:26, 28, 29, 31. See no division here between Isaac and NT Christians.
Paul tells us too that Abraham looked for a city. By faith Abraham looked for a city which hath foundations whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews 11:9, 10. This is the same heavenly Jerusalem that we, the saved, called [to be] saints in Christ, will abide in, bye and bye. This is the new Jerusalem to come. The holy city called new Jerusalem which will come down from God out of heaven, the new Jerusalem, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:2. See again no division here between Abraham and the church, the bride of Christ.
Jesus says, Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Rev 3:12
What a glorious prospect ahead for the overcomers!
Remember Jesus said that, In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you, John 14:2. Jesus said, that where He is, there ye may be also. Jesus will be the light in the city of the new Jerusalem. Rev 21:23. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father in heaven now, but he’s coming for us. Jesus said, And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself: that where I am, there ye may be also, John 14:3.
The Bible says, God has quickened us together with Christ and hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:5,6. What an inheritance by God’s grace! Oh, how could anyone let go of these glorious words from God for the devilish TPM Zion doctrine!
TPM and affiliations, leave the daughter of Babylon and cleave unto your first love. Harken to the words of Jesus, Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent, says Jesus. Rev 2:5
Apostle John was shown that great city the holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God. Rev 21:10. On the gates of the wall of the city are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel and in the twelve foundations of the wall are the names of the twelve apostles of Jesus. We are now of the household of God and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone, in whom all the building fitly framed together growth unto an holy temple in the Lord, in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Ephesians 2:19-22.
So, who is there that fears the Lord and the word that comes out of His mouth?
It is written in the Psalm 137 – O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed. O Daughter of Babylon, that Babylon of which prophecy says, ‘Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication’, Rev 14:8. Of that Babylon the Spirit says, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues, Rev 18:4. Paul issues instruction in 2 Cor 6:17- 18 Wherefore come out from among them, and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing: and I will receive you. And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Brothers and sisters, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. John 3: 16-21
@bro.Prem kumar ,
pls go thr all the articles , from 2016 ..then come to a conclusion .
wheather to defend the pentecostal mafia or not .
i have a question for you brother PREM .
what would you do if your brother killed by a TPM minister ..? what would you do if they molest you ..? what would you do if they rape one of your sisters ..?
still defend ..? i wont .
GOD bless ..
What did you do when they killed your brother, molested you and raped your sister ??
Shame on you PREMKUMAR! This what TPM has taught you!!
Daniel. Shame on you guys only… He is asking me that if a TPM minister kills my brother / molests me / rape my sister….what will i do. ..
He asked a very genuine valid question cos that’s what TPM ministers do – murder, molest and rape and they cover it up by bribing crores of rupees which people like you have given n helped them to do all this atrocities. Anyway, as NMASTF has pointed out you’re shouting without any grounds bcos of frustration and we understand that.
Nice answer Bro Prem, the indoctrination is deep and is working well. By the way may I know why you are in this site when you know it is useless?
While you are here, please read some of the articles and enlighten everyone as to why you think it is all false.
@NMASTF Did God tell you that TPM is abomination in HIS sight. What a saint you are….
The Bible says that if anyone takes the title of Jesus- chief shepherd/pastor is a false prophet and has the spirit of Anti Christ.
TPM’s leadership does that.
That is all I need because my point of reference is the Word of God not a voice/ vision/angel/TPM.
There is more evidence on this site in the articles which highlights the other false doctrines of TPM. Please read them and get enlightened.
Many of the workers and believers are good humans but they are deceived.
However Anyone who teaches lies in the name of Christ is an abomination to God as they have the spirit of satan.
You prove to me why TPM is not an abomination in God’s eyes and if your proof is based on the Word of God, I will repent. Please don’t quote Alwin’s celibacy and consecration as they are all lies.
Please check there is a separate tab explaining the Chief Shepherd heresy. Next time you meet Stephen Anna, ask him if it is true. The Pope also calls himself the Vicar of Christ.
Dear all pro-site
Have you seen, what an extent this Prem Kumar has gone to? We can understand his spiritual maturity. What I feel that we all should ignore his comments without answering him. He has once again proved that what kind of food he is being fed by his white-clad fraud saints. Silence is befitting reply to him.
AP You understand yourself first to what extent you guys have gone. I dont even consider your spiritual maturity. Ignore my comments no problem. But the fact is fact.
Bro AP forgive his ignorance. Let’s engage him because that is the only way you can get through to him. He has already realised that he is standing on is thin air and this answer is just out of frustration.
The fact that he kerps coming back shows that he wants to know the Truth. The seeds of doubt has been sown in his heart and hopefully it will yield the desired results sometime in the future.
Zealous guys like him if converted will turn out to be great change agents. This is my view.
@NMASTF I DONT NEED ANYBODY’S FORGIVENESS… I KNOW WHERE I AM STANDING OK?. WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY ANSWER? YOUR APOSTATE CAN POST SUCH A QUESTION ?? I SHOULD NOT REPLY FOR THAT YOU MEAN ? DON’T EVEN DREAM THAT THERE IS A SEED OF DOUBT AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULT. DO NOT BE DISAPPOINTED. WHAT CONVERSION DO YOU MEAN…?? I AM ALREADY CONVERTED. YOU GUYS ARE VERY HUMOROUS AND OFTEN WRITES FUNNY THINGS…ONE DAY WILL COME ONLY YOU GUYS WILL KEEP WRITING AND COMMENTING WITHIN YOURSELVES BECAUSE THE TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED AND YOU ARE JUST JOKERS. BYE…
I love your spirit, you remind me of Saul who became Paul but you need a Damascus encounter with The Truth and then you will be become a vessel God can use for his Glory.
Shout all you want brother, it is your flesh which is coming out just like the sermons you hear from TPM’s pulpit. You have been trained well and the Holy Spirit will untrain you when you know The Truth.
Don’t worry about our destiny or this site’s future as it does not matter . Our sovereign God will search out his elect from within TPM and bring them out for His glory. If He wants to use this site, He will, if not He might use you just like he did with Saul after he became Paul.
@ Dear Bro.PREM ,
Yes , brother .. my brother.kanakaraj in tuticorin killed by a fellow brother , my sister ammini in kottarakkara abused and killed ,another brother in dubai molested by pas.sunny .. thats the reason i m here to tell the innocents like you to stay away from this cult and find Jesus ..so what are you doin .?
again bro , we can understand your idolatory towards the tpm church ..we all were @some stages in our life . by Gods grace we could discern now and opened our eyes .
soon 1000s will come out of this cult , have a good sleep ..for now .
Dear Prem Kumar,
I have asked many white clad tpm frauds so many questions regarding all these unbiblical doctrines. None of them were ready to answer my questions because they know there is no fundamental base for all these indoctrination from bible. They were trying to escape using lame excuses. This is the pathetic condition of these frauds. Then what will be condition of brainwashed people like you.
1 Peter 3:15, “But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.”
As far as your intimidation like “you have to answer God” is concerned show it to your fraud saints. We are already out from such intimidation. You are speaking as if GOD is in your pocket. By the grace of GOD we are not enslaved like you. I know it is your frustration. Ask the long list of questions from “No more a slave to fear” to your so called saints and inform us the result please.
Can you provide a description of one or two of the many questions you have asked (what were the specific questions, who did you ask, how did the conversation go, what kind of answers you were looking for, what did they respond, where did the conversation took place, etc)?
Franklin will provide you with requested details if you explain the meaning of Colossians 2:20-23. So go ahead and explain why tpm is still making rules like touch not, do not this-that, get not married here-there, wear this not that, eat this not that, etc… even if Colossians 2:20-23 makes it clear that we should not be subject to such rules.
The replies of Bro Johnson and Bro Zac has given you more than sufficient answers. Follow it. Don’t try to shoot from others shoulders.
If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture in James 2:8, you will certainly do well.
You need to understand that each individuals have an opinion. If I go and ask a policeman how do I keep myself safe, the police officer may say, lock everything in safe location, keep the windows and doors of your home or vehicle locked. If the same safety related question is posed to a fire safety personnel, they may give a different opinion or say that you need to have an escape route and so don’t lock everything. In the event of a fire, doors or windows may get jammed and you
won’t be able to escape if you do not have an open escape route. You can say both are right or one is right or both are wrong.
So, if you dwell too much into any man made rule or opinion you and me are simply wasting time. Thousands of rules can be written by man. These rules are interpreted or implemented in a different way in each places. Now, if the same person applies or twists one rule in a certain way to please an individual and apply it in a different way to offend another individual it’s a hypocrisy.
Does that hypocrisy happens in this web site as well? Big time yes – for example people happily or carelessly post others pictures saying that it is already public or it was taken or copied from another public domain. If it is already in another public forum why do you need to copy them here – can you not simply provide a link to that other public forum? Or because I am paying money to an individual/group and I don’t ask permission how they spend my money so I can post the picture of the individual/group without asking for their consent or permission in a civilized way. But for example, if your picture was already in the website of Rock of salvation church or IPC or another church or another public domain once upon a time and you don’t want it to appear in fromtpm.com and show yourself, would that be a hypocrisy?
I’ll respond shortly.
I asked you why tpm insists on so many man made rules when Bible clearly informs (col 2:20-23 example) that one must not be subject to man made rules and ordinances. You replied by saying fire man will make another safety rule compared to police man. I don’t think this answers the question. Because the intent of fireman is different compared to intent of policeman. Intent of police man is to save you from thief and intent of fireman is to save you from from fire. However the guidelines/ instructions of teachers of scriptures must not have different intent than that of scripture itself. The intent of scripture is to save you from hell/ judgment / wrath of God. Same should be intent of pastors. Do you mean to say that the intent of legalist churches behind giving rules is different than intent of scriptures ? I don’t think so. Bible in NT reveals that rules, regulations are futile in bringing you to salvation. The whole idea of NT is about conversion of heart. Once heart is converted from bad tree to good tree, then good fruits will come out automatically. You don’t need to set rules regulations for good tree. Bad tree will never give good fruits or it will not fulfill the royal law (as cited by you) no matter how many rules you make for it. So the core idea in NT is new birth by faith alone. It is new birth by faith alone without works that converts bad tree into good tree. Rules n regulations given in OT were given to make you realize the state of your heart that it needs new birth. When that is done, rules n regulations become meaningless! Good fruits (royal law) comes out of newly born good tree naturally and automatically. Then you need no external agency to check your behaviour. When you put rules regulations then you are actually bringing old system back when new is already there. It is like pulling people back in OT. No wonder Paul was furiated over those legal rule making Pharisees in Acts 15. Therefore my original question that why does tpm insists on rules n regulations to attain salvation, when Bible clearly informs believers to no more be subject to rules n regulations ( Col 2:20-24), has only one answer, — that TPM has failed to understand the basic foundational truth of Bible, which gospel, – which says, your conversion into good tree, which is the reason why God considers people saved, is not understood by TPM at all! Hence foundation of TPM with its misunderstood understanding of salvation by man made rules regulations is another gospel. I hope by now it’s clear dear anonymous that why we are saying TPM is preaching another gospel and why souls of tpm believers are in grave jeopardy.
Brilliant analogy, Brother. Comparing posting someone’s picture to highlight a lie in the name of Christ to the hypocrisy followed by false prophets and teachers who are leading thousands of gullible souls to hell.
Very commendable. At first I thought you had supplied the pictures as I remember someone mention in an earlier comment that Laloo had conducted a wedding in a non TPM church. Please forgive me if I’m wrong and don’t use this to go on the rabbit trail again.
Having said that I love reading your comments especially your questions as they sound reasonable and valid most of the time.
However one thing I have noticed, you always appear to miss the bigger picture. I can understand that as I used to be just like you till Jesus opened my eyes to the lies and the associated filth in this cult.
I was blind but now I see, amazing, isn’t His grace. How I wish everyone’s eyes are opened and they can see through this darkness.
Jesus opened your eyes and said you to sit in TPM church and find faults and update the blog live. I wish Jesus gives me that permission too to sit with my wife and spy her. That’s a trust and if its not trustable, you have the option to divorce. You are sitting in TPM church as if you are married though in heart you have divorced already. Then why physically coming and sitting like a spy? A game? Time Pass? Good task. Carry on 🙂
I’ve been silently observing for a while now.
It seems quite evident that there have been instances of immorality and criminal behaviour (some reported and others yet to be reported).
I have always maintained that I will not debate on doctrine till I feel I am qualified to do so.
The gentlemen who run this site are far more knowledgeable about the scriptures than I.
However, on a question of ethics and morality, I will stand with what is right.
My question to all those debating against the wrongdoings in and around TPM, “What are you doing about it?”
You commune every week or several times a week.
Possibly still give your tithe.
Send your children to the sunday school.
Partake in communion services.
Offer your time, money and services for conventions.
All of this just continues to feed the TPM machinery.
I have been questioning several believers and workers and nobody is willing to take a stand for the right.
Since I believe that this site is being visited by “believers” from all over the world, i call for a worldwide boycott of TPM meetings, conventions and tithing till the TPM leadership takes some firm and positive action towards curbing the menaces of immorality and criminality that seems to be rampant in the organization.
The next major convention is in Dubai next month.
I am sure that if you sit with your family at home and pray God will hear your prayers and give your tithe to a charity that will help the downtrodden in society.
Dear Vik Gant ,
I sincerely appreciate your concern. But what to do brother? The believers are so enslaved and intimidated that they can’ think of anything else except these crooked immoral people they call them saints.
I did a survey and research on bible knowledge of various Pentecostal denominations, but unfortunately TPM believers are found to be on the on the bottom of bottomless pit of bible knowledge. Further, I have come to know that they don’t read their Bible with the intention of understanding it.They fully depend on these frauds.
Recently I was listening to a message from one of these so called saints, I don’t know the preacher’s name. He said JESUS appeared before him and told him this is the only true church. In Bible anywhere can you show me such a verdict from JESUS. These are all man made self praising tactics to confuse the believers so that they becomes worshipers of men.
He was quoting Psalms 122:3 to establish the wrong doctrines.
“Jerusalem is built like a city that is closely compacted together”. He said city that is closely compacted together is Jerusalem and Zion. (Actually that time houses of Jerusalem were attached together.)
Then I read the entire Psalms 122.
The verses 4,5 clearly brings their doctrine of Zion and New Jerusalem to smithereens. But cunningly that fellow avoided it. This is the state of TPM saints and believers.
May GOD help these enslaved to open their spiritual eyes.
David Robinson. email@example.com
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
following JESUS is very simple but the devil make it complicated many love to follow the complicated way.
Sorry …I wrongly pressed on dislike it was unintentional…I could not undo it
” I have always maintained that I will not debate on doctrine till I feel I am qualified to do so.
The gentlemen who run this site are far more knowledgeable about the scriptures than I.”
my conclusion is they re not just a bunch of chaps goin against the organisation to this extent .
i see God s hand in each and every lines of these articles , even the admin does’nt know how he is being used by GOD for a great ministry like this
once i was desperately looking for answers in google abt TPM ,cos i knew something is not right in the church .. . my instinct was right then , and all i found was to tpm with love .com
it was enough to prove that i was right ..
but this site has a good in depth analysis of everything , more than you wanted .
GOD bless the admin protect him and his family .
to all the believers in Christ please pls send all the incidents you ‘ve witnessed so far to the admin .
David Robinson. firstname.lastname@example.org
Attention. Vik Gant.
Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
All those who are ready for Vik’s call to boycott TPM, please register yourself with admin. If, even ten fifteen men are ready for what Vik is saying, (in any particular area) we may begin from there. All honest sincere ministers in TPM will listen, but the frauds will try to subdue this by threat. We must be ready for it. This will cost us nothing compared to people who have suffered Martyrdom for sake of name of Jesus. “They overcame him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony, counting not their lives dear unto them. ” Something should be done. How long we will keep quiet and only keep discussing? The latest article on source of TPM’s doctrines should be break point from pseudo Alwin-AnnLee foundation of TPM. What more is left to defend this church’s doctrine and hypocrisy. These liars have been deceiving millions of men and women since very long. Please join us for saving many people form this hell. Eternal lives of our brethren depend on our decision, – to sit quietly and keep gossiping or to stand for salvation of our brethren. May God give us grace!
@Vik Grant that is a great idea! I hope there will be a big turnout. Something has to be done, action has to be taken.
I don’t attend this church anymore but please let me know if there is anything I can do to help!
Is Bro. Jose with Bro. Ashish?
I guess so. I have seen both of them together in Punjab last month. Seems they were conducting some convention.
It seems like Bro. Ashish still has great links in TPM and specially with few ministers.
Yes few months back they organized a convention in Ambernath.
Haha….Nice.This is the vocation that they know.So theyre earning out of it.Only those who are caught publicly are excommunicated.This fellow was still preaching inspite while continuing to break the cots.Both this pastor and singer enjoyed celebrity status for very long .He was showing as if hes the holiest.Till he was caught breaking the cot in tpm.
Haha…Do you know one thing… There are rumors that this Site is Run by Both these people…In Fact, I have heard it myself and I enjoyed the Fun…
How long I hv been telling all people on this site.. that these two are behind this site. These were best shining stars of tpm once. They were translators. They know English Malayalam and Hindi. Dont try to divert the truth. I know, I know, I know… who is behind this site.
Thanks to whoever is behind this site for clearly showing the world who is really behind TPM – SATAN
It takes guts and grace to unmask this beast and they have both whoever they maybe.
Thanks admin for disclosing your so called identity.
Please can you give some details… what cot… who? Sorry I am not aware since I am ex-TPM now.
Your comments on tithes based on Deutronomy 26 chapter verse12 and 13…
I would refer you to this youtube video for detailed study on tithing.
Pay to Levites or strangers or fatherless or widows or sick…We are told that it has to be given to the Levites only or the saints….
Your insight into this….
What TPM Teaches is a Fraudulent Doctrine. However, I should also say that this is not a TPM only doctrine. Almost all organized Churches do this. BUT IT IS A DECEPTION.
Tithing is a taxation system of paying a Tenth of your agro produce so that the Levites, Poor, Widows, Orphans and all underprivileged can be sustained. A total of 23.33% is the approx that a farmer has to allocate. A tenth does not mean 10%. For eg, if I have 9 new goats this year, I do not offer anything. If I have 10 new goats, I offer 1. If I have 19 new goats, I offer One. If I have 20 new goats, I offer 2. I hope the earlier video will help you understand it.
HOWEVER, AS CHRISTIANS, we are not under that law to follow tithing as per the New Testament.
Believers are no longer under the Mosaic covenant (Rom. 6:14–15; 7:5–6; Gal. 3:15–4:7; 2 Cor. 3:4–18).
Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant.
New Testament does not talk of tithing to anybody. Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15).
Above All…This is What Jesus said we should do.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
We know that no church or organization is perfect under the sun. Doctrine wise, every denomination will have a flaw. Be it TPM, Lutherans, Reformed, and the recently famous Angel TV. Its up to the believers to discern where to have fellowship under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
I was not a church goer until my teenage, even though I was born and brought up by TPM parents. God in His mercy helped me to go through Salvation Experience , followed by the anointing of the Holy Spirit with the sign of speaking in tongues. Both these experiences happened in TPM sunday service and convention. But trust me, no servant of God or my parents or relatives brainwashed me to go to church. It all happened in the appointed time of God.
I was also of the belief that TPM is the only church that is existing as mentioned in the Bible. In the recent years i could see how the Lord does Wondrous and Miraculous works outside TPM. But in all the other denominations(including TPM), we could find flaws, and some human elements mixed in their doctrines somewhere during the journey of the church. (Devil is cunning). So TPM is no exception. I pray it doesn’t become like Roman Catholic Church which lost the original vision when it was established centuries ago.
Saying so, I was deeply offended when i see here TPM is tagged as CULT.
Will Lord save people (like me and many who are saved in these TPM meetings) for eternity using this So called CULT?
I can understand that this website may be correct in many claims it is raising against TPM. But still…. is still not God working through this TPM…. ?
All the incidents mentioned here ( from money to girls matter), is happening in all the denominations around the world for sure. Even there was failure in the selection of Jesus. So we can roughly assume 10% of the people in Gods Ministry will be corrupted in any church not just in TPM.
May be there should be more transparency in Church Administration, changes in doctrines, in the vision and mission of the church. Any organization or church has to undergo a change during the course of the time. But is it correct to tag TPM in line with Jehovah Witness, and many other cults which were mentioned in this site?
I feel and believe God still works through this Church.. Atleast one soul is being saved from hell fire through the meetings and conventions of TPM.
Looking for a healthy discussion.
I used to drink from TPM’s fountain thinking that it was pure but ever since I came to know it is laced with a minute trace of arsenic, I stopped.
The reason I stopped is because I don’t want to commit suicide. Well you can now make your choice as it appears that you are a well informed TPM believer.
I would advise that you get your Theology right- your statement that “There was a failure in Jesus’s selection” is wrong. The Jesus of the Bible never fails or make mistakes like us.
I strongly advise you to search for the truth from the true fountain and then you will know the true Jesus not TPM’s christ .
All the best my friend.
I agree that every church has some or other fault along doctrinal line or may have some or other prominent minister involved in immorality or other sins. But the case why i agree with NMSTF that participating in tpm is suicidal is because of its foundation itself is wrong ( my opinion ). When you remove Christ and place servants in place of master then it becomes heniousness.
Solomon says that the earth shakes and trembles under four things. One of them is when slave takes seat of king. (Prov 30;21-22). This is is what spirit in tpm tries to do. Kindly look for all the articles.
Further the very foundation of any church ought to be Christ, which sadly is not the case in tpm. Tpm is established not on works of Jesus but human holiness righteousness and consecration. It’s foundation is morality.
Please say clearly if you are unable to understand the intensity of what I am trying to say, or any of my statement. Especially why I think tpm dies not preach the gospel which saints of yore preached.
I am ready for healthy discussion. You can ping me personally on my mail.
Very well said.
Leave out every deed from the equation… Trees are known by the fruits.
TPM believes in so many things which the scriptures forbid… eg. celibacy as a must for workers… need to jump up and down in tarrying Meetings, if not you are not sanctified etc.
Basically, its receiving its rewards from men and upon this earth.
I think you have a wrong understanding of what constitutes a cult. There are so many Christian groups and as mentioned by you all of them have some issues with their doctrines and that is for them to resolve in the light of scriptures. But Cult is basically identified by their controlling mechanisms and mind control of individuals in the fold.
Please check out the following and it can help you why we call TPM is a Cult
-For Cult Checklist and external references click here
-For Cult behaviour, check this article and watch the video inside it.
-To know the spiritual source of all deviant doctrines of TPM, click here
God can work through anyone ,anytime and anyplace to save a person / to manifest his Glory…
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.(Psalms 139:8)
God uses pagan king Pharaoh — For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the earth.”(Romans 9:17)
God can turn evil intentions for his good wil — But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good(Genesis 50:20)
God can use devil to fulfill His plan…
Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”
This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
In Jesus’ fellowship/Church/organization…
>>”God’s(Father’s) words are preached” not human doctrine (not Jesus’ words but Father’s words)
For I (JESUS) did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.(John 12:49)
In Jesus’ fellowship/Church/organization…
>> Jesus is the Master,Teacher,Chief High Priest,Shepherd,The Lord and Saviour not the son of perdition – Judas
In Jesus’ fellowship/Church/organization…
>>Father’s will is done not Humans(Judas’ )will
God has met with you …what more do want…You are the Temple of the Living God…Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;(1 Corin 9:16)
Worship the Lord in spirit and Truth
Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.(John 4:22,24)
Fix your eyes on Jesus not on human organization or church…
Run your race looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.(Hebrew 12:2)
Let God be true ,every man be a liar
Glory, honour , power be unto Him forever and ever , Amen
Is this the testimony of the person mentioned in the letter??
If so, then this blog writer is indeed stoned with the TPM drug.
For more details you can find k Stephen Daniel on linked in
The headquarters of the Pentecostal mission must be shifted back to Sri Lanka. As long as it is here in India which is called as whore in the book of revelation where will be problems for the church
Dear Silas(Cylus), This is not a forum for politicizing. Please refrain from such comments. You can comment on spiritual aspects which you feel right. Do backup your comments with appropriate scriptures.
Bangalore Centre….HUB of immoral activities..
Latest in the list..A sister transferred from XXXXXX faith home , Bangalore city to XXX faith home..She was abused Immorally by the Brother in charge K****, who has a history of playing with the sisters in the past and abused quite a few.
The information is that she could be pregnant…and further course of action is being contemplated..
May God have Mercy on the large number of believers who are ignorantly following the teachings of ZION..
As long as we have brain dead people as believers in Bangalore, they can sleep nicely. At least the parents of these worker sisters need to be thinking. If you have your daughters or sisters in this ministry, you need to take action.
Her xxxx and xxxx is in the ministry…She has been transferred..Any believer in the church will confirm of her transfer to XXX..The next step is to abort the foetus..How they are going to do it…!!!!
Huge number of sisters are undergoing this abuse and mental torture…Are they willing to come out and complain…???? Probably NO…..Insecure future , family humiliation , No financial security , Age…and so many other reasons…And they preach that no believer should use whatsapp ,, internet and social media..for fear of being exposed in a short period of time across the believers and public..
Surely the faithful ones following them blindly are taken for a royal ride and pockets raped every month..
Brother is there someway you can give more information and write it to email@example.com
Or you can directly report to http://ncw.nic.in/onlinecomplaintsv2/frmPubRegistration.aspx
Once they get the information, the Police can get into the act. We should be taking this up brother.
In the Kerala Catholic Bishop case, the Nuns came out to protest. Till these worker sisters keep being slaves to these perverts, it will keep happening.
If there is a proof please escalate to national women’s commission or give to media.
The Big question Brother is the first five words of your comment.
IF THERE IS PROOF. For that our Brother Fredrick should get it to us. I hope he gets some for us to escalate it.
DEAR BRO..I dont have any proof to produce like RAPE CD , or any written document..The information I received is from authentic sources inside the faith home , who have first hand information..[ workers ] All such cases have been successfully hushed up in the past and the sister concerned will also not dare to come out in the open forum to lay bare the facts…The sexual predator will soon go Scot free with a transfer to another faith home and soon will lay his hand on another unsuspecting prey..
Bangalore centre is going thru a horrid period of time …while Bible studies are held at regular intervals to silence the voice of the believers and obedience to the saints of God being the CENTRAL THEME of all Meetings..
Would you be able to give us your contact details to firstname.lastname@example.org ?
Thanks for sharing and keep posting.
Please remove Pastor Nelson name, he is innocent, it will hurt his reputation.
So are you the one issuing the conduct certificate for these clergymen?
Yes I am issuing conduct certificate, he is my brother and I know him. He has not done anything wrong or any adultery
Conduct certificate of close people is not valid. It’s just like Modi issuing certificate for Yogi Adityanath.
Ok. Then we see what legally I can do.
Get a good lawyer…
//he is innocent, it will hurt his reputation//
Can u elaborate ? Let us know why do u think he is innocent ? Is he still in TPM ? If he left did he go alone ?
What do u think mentioned about him here is wrong ?
He is innocent because he has not done any adultery as you have mentioned.
You should ask and get it cleared with the believers in Delhi who wrote to the TPM Chief.
Is he still in TPM ministry or as a Believer ? If he has left did he go alone ?
May be a slight confusion for us readers here . May be you would be able to clarify as you seems to be closer to him.
The Bible says in Philippians 2:7-9 that When our Lord but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Why should someone looking to rule with Him from Zion worry about his reputation? Wake up Sir/Madam and don’t be deceived.
Since you have disagreed my request, just filing a defamation case.
Your Choice. It does not affect us unless the mailer himself “TPM BELIEVERS”
detracts it. We are just publishing what we received.
Let it allow to Court to decide.
Dear Monachen Jose,
Do whatever you need to do. I did discuss with few folks who confirmed about his affair with Suman the singer sister, though the pregnancy accusation by the sender of the mail (email@example.com) was untrue. Also, there are suspicions that he had taken around 15-20Lakhs. How did this man get this money to build a house?
Actually this site needs some advertising. Thanks for providing it free. Now the believers will be curious and read all the facts
//ABAS February 21, 2020 At 5:02 AM
//Akka told me that I should give ten percent of him also to her. She will keep him for 2 hours daily.//
Very hilarious, as usual. Perhaps, the boy you will marry may have a similar skewed understanding of tithing and would want to do likewise. Then, your local pastor or elder gets to keep you for 2 hours daily! Win-win for all involved…this was the spiritual awakening your late pastor Alwyn wanted to introduce during his time.//
Well this was exactly the sins of the Nicolaites, who believed in polyamory (freely swap spouses) and debauchery in the name of overcoming lust towards one’s own spouse.
Looks like TPM of the 1st century.