TPM in the book of Revelation

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Matt 7:13

Though TPM claims to be a church with strict discipline yet it’s a wide gate and a broad way that is leading people to hell fire. As the Apostle Paul prayed for the people, in Ephesians 1:18, I pray to God to open the eyes of understanding of TPM believers. Many are being deceived by the hypocritical life of TPM ministers, who are considered to be saints. I think that the most deceived are the people of Punjab who address their ministers with the title, “SAINT.” For them, their false saints & words spoken by them are the ultimate. Once one TPM pastor said about the people of Punjab that, even if you put a white cloth on a donkey, then also TPM people of Punjab would say, “Santhji, jai Masih di.”  Just see, how the so called saints consider their own members? Isn’t it another hypocrisy of TPM. saints to Cunningly enjoy the service, tithes & offerings of the naive members & then make fun of their ignorance? Without a speck of doubt, anyone can say that these hypocrites ministers are the reason for the ignorance of their members because they know that maximum benefits can be drained out of the people as long as they are kept ignorant. No doubt that, the judgment of these so called saints will be very severe. At the same time, the members will not be exonerated because they never desired to buy the truth when it was available for them.

A majority of the TPM believers have pushed aside God to a corner and given the place of God to their white-clad ministers. I have heard some people saying that they are saints because of their celibacy but, who can understand their dirty secrets behind the curtain of this celibacy? Some rate their ministers, “SAINTS” based on the construction works & the job to beautify the existing buildings. Alas! What a pathetic spiritual state of TPM believers? I think that these people have reached a state of no turning.

In fact, I started this article to highlight some of the things found in TPM, which even resurrected Jesus pointed out to few churches in the book of Revelation. Before going further, first of all, I want to say that the tall claim of TPM daylight saints based on Revelation is absolutely wrong. Without any doubt, it can be substantiated that the life style of 99% of these people nowhere fit in REVELATION 14 (as per their own interpretation) because their very deeds testify them. Sometimes they go above Jesus to claim themselves the saints going to the zenith of heaven. Consider the Lord Jesus; like the TPM frauds, He never witnessed about himself. “If I said great things about myself, my words would not be true. But there is someone else who speaks about me. What he says about me is true. I know that.” John 5:31-32, See the audacity of these arrogant people who, unlike the Lord Jesus dare to speak great things about themselves.

I would like to take two of the seven churches in the book of Revelation to make the comparison with TPM.

Church of Pergamos and TPM:

  1. The doctrine of Balaam: [Rev 2:14]]  – But I have a few things to say against you. Some people among you do what Balaam taught. He taught Balak to do what was wrong. And Balak caused Israel’s people to want to do wrong things. He caused them to eat food that people had given to false gods. And he caused them to have sex with people who were not their husbands or wives.” Here the Lord Jesus said that there are some who practice what Balaam had taught Balak. In KJV, it’s written that Balaam.taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel that they might practice immorality. Don’t you see the same thing being practiced in TPM? As Balaam taught Balak, so also the deceptive spirit influenced ALWYN DE ALWIS to bring a system of celibacy. He also introduced the abominable system of unmarried male/female staying together under the same roof. I am not against anyone serving the Lord being unmarried but the unbiblical way of living should not be condoned. As the teaching of Balaam made the children of Israel practice the sexual immorality; so also in TPM, the system of celibates staying together has made many to fall in immoral activities. If you study the Bible carefully, you even with a simple mind can understand that God also never encourage such system.  That’s why Solomon the wise writes in Proverbs 6: 27-28, “Can a man hold fire against his chest without burning his clothes?  Can a man walk on hot coals without scorching his feet?”  These verses very much substantiate that, unmarried male/female staying together is not a system instituted by God.  The constitution of TPM in many ways are contrary to the constitution of God. TPM in the book of RevelationAnother incident in the Bible to prove that male/female celibates living together are unbiblical is found in Genesis 39. We find that how the wife of Potiphar tried to snare Joseph. Even though Mr. Potiphar was still alive yet, Mrs.Potiphar tried to have Joseph to fulfill her dirty desire. Joseph did not say that I will not run away but stay here and prove that I can live an overcoming life. But he knew that staying there for another moment is just like walking on the coal of fire. Thank God! TPM was not there during Joseph’s time otherwise they would have tagged him also, “fallen”, “backslider” or “left ministry”. The young Joseph left the cloak to save his character but, sad to say that majority in TPM is still holding on to the cloak and keep losing their character. The New Testament says to FLEE From Sexual Immorality ( 1 Cor 6:18). Other sins can be fought against. But when it comes to sexual sins, we have to RUN and not stand there and Fight.
  2.  Teachings of Nicolaitans: [Rev 2:15] “So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.” This is the other deadly system predominantly working in TPM. What is the teaching of Nicolaitanes? The word Nicolaitanes is derived from the original word Nikaolaos. NIKAO means “to conquer” and LAOS means “people or laity”.

Therefore, Nikaolais from which is derived Nicolaitanes means, “to conquer the people or laity.” The teaching of Nicolaitanes is at work in TPM with full fledge. A week ago one TPM believer reported to me that on Sunday the white clad saint was harping on the system of believers’ subjection to the saints. He said that earlier believers, always consulted with the saints before taking any decision but, nowadays some are doing many things independently. where did this thought stem from in his mind? It’s stemmed from the trunk (TPM System) that he is abiding in. This is not the case only with this particular person but, almost every saint wants to have complete sway over their members. These hypocrite saints want to be the center of attention in all the aspects of their believers. You know why? They are like the consultants who expect consultation fees at every approach and never allow any of their members to grow in personal relationship with God. Oh…their greed has no end, it’s growing Taller, deeper, wider and stronger day by day. I should not blame only these daylight saints but, I equally blame the believers (not of God) too. In the market if consumers stop buying any product then slowly it will go into oblivion but, on the other hand, the product will grow wild if there are more buyers. This is the case with TPM; it’s the wrong system & erroneous doctrines are growing wild because biblically naive people are buying it. These people of TPM are least bothered about their own personal spiritual growth and they are happy that, their saints are celibates and constructing huge buildings for them.

 

Conclusion

Now, look at the warning resurrected Lord Jesus gave to the church of Pergamos. [Rev 2:16] “Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.” The time is getting closer when the righteous judge is going to fight against those, who do practice and support such things.

 

to be continued….

35 Comments on “TPM in the book of Revelation”

  1. I have been going to the TPM church but not experienced freedom… I tasted the true love of GOD in times of tribulation when iithe saw how the believer SAINTS of this church behaved in a hypocritical manner. Giving importance to the rich , giving more importance to ppl who are beautiful, mixing only with ppl from their respective state and caste , but wearing white and no jewels but elaborate brooch in their heads… I actually don’t know much about the SAINTS and how the live, I only saw they lived and preached leaving behind their family and opportunity to be married. But was extremely upset to see that that was a HUGE HUGE discrepancy between VVIPs and the poor. …. I thought IF their revelation is TRULY divine and out of this world it should definitely have an effect on the believers…. especially the elder ones…. to be honest they are the ones who are rude and haughty… I am confused, these ppl say praise the Lord to the humility of Jesus but practice and behave just like any ordinary unsaved person…. how ???? Why ????

    1. #I am confused, these ppl say praise the Lord to the humility of Jesus but practice and behave just like any ordinary unsaved person…#

      The false teaching and the lack of submission to the Lord Jesus has much to do with why you see the inconsistency in TPM.
      Still, the Lord reigns over all; The LORD on high is mightier than the noise of many waters, yea, than the mighty waves of the sea (Psalm 93:4) and he is not far from every one of us (Acts 17:27).

      Whenever a church departs from the its true and living head, who is the Lord Jesus Christ, and turns to its own ways and understandings, they have set their own crooked path unto their own destruction. But while there is life there is hope.

      Thus are Lamentations in chapter 3 poured out before the Lord by the prophet –

      1 I am the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his wrath.
      2 He hath led me, and brought me into darkness, but not into light.
      3 Surely against me is he turned; he turneth his hand against me all the day.
      4 My flesh and my skin hath he made old; he hath broken my bones.
      5 He hath builded against me, and compassed me with gall and travail.
      6 He hath set me in dark places, as they that be dead of old.
      7 He hath hedged me about, that I cannot get out: he hath made my chain heavy.
      8 Also when I cry and shout, he shutteth out my prayer.
      9 He hath inclosed my ways with hewn stone, he hath made my paths crooked.
      10 He was unto me as a bear lying in wait, and as a lion in secret places.
      11 He hath turned aside my ways, and pulled me in pieces: he hath made me desolate.
      12 He hath bent his bow, and set me as a mark for the arrow.

      Such is our lament over TPM too who have forsaken the Lord Jesus Christ as the way, the truth and the life, who alone can give the living water to men/women and children’s thirsty souls; for truly Jesus gives the living water for us to drink so that we shall never thirst: for truly this water of life from Jesus shall be IN us a well of water springing up into eternal life (John 4:13-14). How can we not give glory to God and praises to the Lamb of God!

      How can we not pour out from our hearts lamentations before the Lord God almighty for our sins, our sufferings, our calamities, and for the judgments of the Lord upon TPM? But the Lord is merciful. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. Truly, it is of the LORD’S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

      Some have testified on this site, afflictions do work very much for good (including myself): many have found it good to bear this yoke in their youth; it has made many of us humble and serious, and has weaned us from the world, who otherwise would have been proud and unruly.

      The prophet shows the way forward –
      37 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?
      38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?
      39 Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?
      40 Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the LORD.
      41 Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens.
      42 We have transgressed and have rebelled: thou hast not pardoned.
      43 Thou hast covered with anger, and persecuted us: thou hast slain, thou hast not pitied.

      47 Fear and a snare is come upon us, desolation and destruction.
      It is his mercy, that God defeats the counsels of men, and makes them fatal and pernicious to them. It is designed to bring men to that place of submission to the King of kings and to the Lord of lords, who is Jesus Christ, the only Potentate, and he who is risen from the dead and is alive forevermore.

      This is God’s grace by Jesus Christ revealed and extended to all in love, mercy and truth.

      Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
      And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
      Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Acts 3:19-21

      O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. Psalm 34:8

      May God bless

    2. It’s very true! like I used to go to the church in Canada and I saw the same thing here as well. People are treated differently depending on how much they donate to the church. Once a brother who is more rich was coming to a revival meeting and a minister in the church said that oh we need to get him a good hotel room. When I heard this i was disgusted.

  2. Recently i heard there was a mystrious death of a young sister in TPM church in tamilnadu, they burried the body but case was filed and the body was taken out again for postmortem
    Any idea is it true heard case is kept secret.. May be money power speaks..

    And last two months there was lot of death in TPM even very young brothers and pastors who were fit and healthy died all of a sudden

    Sounds strange….

    1. This is indeed true brother. Now the problem is with the TPM believers who try to block out the truth from their conscience. Indeed this is the beginning of the end for this devilish organization.

      1. Yes true,
        We have come to know that the sister was pregnant(as per the autopsy report). Very saintly deed of Rape and murder.
        Give your tithes to feed these sharks.

        1. This church doesn’t care about sexual assualt, rape and murder, when a pastor Shaji was told about a believer who sexually assaulted another person, apprently he laughed at her story and said they don’t excommunicate someone for this.

  3. We should realise by now that the word ‘saints’ is a God-breathed, Biblical, Holy Spirit inspired word, given by God by his divine inspiration to the Biblical writers, and refers to ALL blood-brought Christians, who are set apart for the Lord Jesus Christ and his kingdom. As this article shows, it does not mean what TPM preaches.

    Examples referring to the saints in the Bible include: Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked. Psalm 97:10

    He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints. Proverbs 2:8

    Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. Daniel 7:22

    Obviously since the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God, we can also conclude that they are inerrant and authoritative. And therefore it is the Word of God that judges TPM to be false teachers of men when they teach their own non-Biblical doctrines, which are exposed in this article.

    Jesus warns us saying, “He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” John 12:48

    Is TPM glorifying God in these false doctrines?
    See what 2 Peter 2:2-3 says when God’s word is perverted. “And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.”

    We must take heed unto ourselves. “Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine: continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee,” says the Lord. 1 Tim 4:16

    May God bless

  4. Dear Admin and all brothers, Today in Sunday service one believer sister told a Long testimony about a spiritual experience she had. She said the Lord carried her to hell and heaven. In hell she saw different punishments being given to people based on the kind of sins they committed on Earth. All of her testimony centered around wearing of jewels and makeup. She said she saw ppl being tormented by snakes for wearing jewels and makeup. In heaven she was taken till the throne and the Lord asked her to sit with HIM. She also saw Jesus rolling from inside the church altar till the gate of the church. When she asked what it was the Lord replied that this was.anointing…. perfect anointing was where we rolled and submitted our bodies to this experience. What base is there in the Bible about ppl being tormented for wearing jewels ? What will then happen to TPM believers who keep gold blocks in.the locker ? Why is.there no base in.the bible about all of the above. Seriously I was shocked to hear all this..there is always talk about dressing, DRESSING and dressing !!!!!! I want to hear about the love of the Lord which knows no limits !!! I am seriously tired of listening about outward appearance ALONE !!! I am unable to feel the presence of the good Lord and I am frustrated !!!!! Brothers Pls share your valuable inputs on this. A VERY LONG and DETAILED article has to be written and discussed about the dressing freedom given by the Lord with references from the bible. Actually OUR Lord is a VERY VERY decourous and reasonable person…. He never gives us silly outward appearance related regulations. It’s our own understanding that we should dress modestly and decently that avoids unwanted attention. Nothing more. Then why is such testimony behind said and.allowed, plus so much of ranting about dress dress dress, jewels, jewels, jewels, makeup, makeup, makeup !!! Lord I am.really tired and sad. 🙁

    1. Dear Sister,
      1 Corinthians 14:29 asks us to Judge these kinds of utterances.
      Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
      The Bible does not ask us to take any such things at face value.
      We all know that TPM takes statements of the Bible to extremes where it was not intended. Many of their doctrines are a result of such extremist viewpoint. This includes their unmarried status, the doctrine of divine healing, eternity, Dressing codes etc. But we as the Bereans should weigh the matter and Pass Judgements over this matter and make it known publicly in the light of the scripture. Unfortunately, many TPM Believers take these things as gospel truth and follow it like obedient sheep. They do not know that they are following wolves in sheep’s clothing.


      Now coming to the concerned point.
      May Christian women (or men) wear jewelry, such as earrings, bracelets, etc.?
      Two passages are sometimes used to prove that women should not wear jewelry. They are 1 Tim. 2:9,10 and 1 Peter 3:1-6.
      It sounds like the passages forbid all wearing of braids, gold, pearls, or costly clothing. But note that 1 Timothy 2 lists kinds of clothing women should “not” wear, but included is simply “putting on apparel” . Obviously women are not absolutely forbidden to wear apparel.
      In Prov. 31:21,22, the worthy woman was praised because she provided for her family and herself clothing of scarlet, fine linen, and purple. In Gen. 24:22 Abraham’s servant gave a gold nose ring and gold bracelets to Rebekah when he sought her to be Isaac’s wife.
      Many Bible passages contain a “not (this), but (that)” expression, which is not intended to absolutely prohibit the first item (“not this”). The intent is rather to emphasize the second item (“but that”) as being far more important than the first. The first item may, in some such expressions, be absolutely wrong. But sometimes it is not wrong, but is just not to be emphasized as the second item is.
      Example: John 6:27 “Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.” Surely this is not prohibiting working for food (cf. 2 Thess. 3:10; etc.). It is just emphasizing the spiritual food. For other examples see: John 12:44; 1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:10; 1 Peter 3:3,4; Mark 9:37; Matt. 10:20; Acts 5:4; 1 Thess. 4:8; Genesis 45:8; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9.
      So 1 Tim. 2:9,10 and 1 Pet. 3:1-6 are not absolutely forbidding wearing of all braids, gold, etc. They are simply saying that these are not what is important. They may in some cases be so extreme that they violate the modest quietness that should characterize godly women (cf. Isa. 3:16-24). This should be avoided.
      But the main point in this part of the verses is to contrast physical clothing with spiritual. Women should be far more concerned about clothing themselves with good works than they are with physical, outward beauty. And we as men should seek wives with inward purity as far more important than outward beauty.
      So the emphasis in context seems to be on: (1) not over-dressing for the sake of vanity, pride, and being able to exalt oneself by showing off one’s expensive and beautiful wardrobe; (2) not over-emphasizing outward beauty to the neglect of inward character.

      God does not abhor wearing of Jewels as is taught by TPM. All that we need to do is, focus the right things in our life.
      Some passages for your consideration that proves that God is not against usage of jewelry are as follows
      Psalm 45:9,Psalm 45:13, Revelation 21:21, Exodus 28:14,Exodus 28:6, Genesis 24:22,2 Chronicles 21:3,Psalm 72:15,Psalm 105:37,Proverbs 20:15

  5. Dear admin, Thanks for the reply… We all see the real TRUTH and intentions behind the scriptures about modest dressing. But it’s frustrating to see that it is being taught as one of.the mandatory requisites for salvation. Week after week after week after week this is what is being taught…. and I am bitter and frustrated… and here I need to confess one thing…. I myself feel like an hypocrite. I don’t wear jewelry just because I have been instructed to do so by the pastor( by the way my.husband.is not against it), but I don’t see any where where the Bible prohibits it or uses it as a pre requisite to salvation. I feel like I am trapped in between. Frustrated !!! Should I have a talk about this with the pastor. Even if I prove.is he doing to agree or at least understand ???

  6. Brother Franklin, seriously, I don’t know from where these ppl are getting this. These kind of visions TOTALLY nullify the grace of the blood of our Lord Jesus. What irritates me the most is that these are kept as a pre requisite to salvation. I am perplexed that such testimonies are glorified, however if someone gets an operation done and the Lord has cured them they are looked down upon. I have her number and she is in my area, a new believer, separated from her husband because of her faith. She has a kid daughter. She earlier did beauty services and earned her livelihood, now cause the Lord will put all beauty parlour owners and makeup using people in hell she has closed it. I asked how she is managing, she says by stitching at home. Don’t know what to say. Every week she has a prophecy or testimony to give only about external appearance. I am sad that she has not clearly
    understood the depth of His love. I want to sit in a conversation where she will have to prove her testimony in the light of God’s word.

    1. Dear Sister, I too have all my life struggled to bring such visions & prophecies in line with the Word of God and have failed to do so, always. After much consideration and reading views of other Biblical & secular scholars, what I have understood is this, much of the source of such visions is our own imaginations. Our background and past-life (life before salvation) influence such dreams and visions, burdened by the guilt that is fed in by such orthodox dogmas and doctrines of institutions (not calling it a church on purpose) such as TPM, WMSCOG, JWs, LDS, etc.
      Sometimes, the books we read also cause us to have such non-Biblical visions & dreams. One thing to check with this sister is, not fool-proof though, ask her if she has ever read any book on experiences of heaven & hell or has heard any previous testimonies about similar visions. I’m kind of sure that she would have had done one of them.
      In the end, all I want to say is, let’s believe nothing that is outside the given Word of God. Our faith is not based on other’s experiences but only on the Bible. Sola Scriptura.
      I hope others agree to my views. Please respond if I am wrong somewhere.
      God bless you.

  7. Dear Brother, I am sure it is because of the teachings given there. Honestly I have nothing against the pastor. OK, he has left his family, sacrificed his life and ministering for the Lord… definitely great…. but I am only sad at these teachings and interpretations about dressing and outer appearance.. I don’t understand.. I am not a big genius in the Bible but even.I am TRYING to check things with the Bible… Then will they not do that? I am confused… no need to be extreme…. if a teaching doesn’t get proved according to the word of GOD it can be changed. Right? It’s as simple as it is…. cause it is causing so much confusion and bitterness…. cause ppl who don’t wear jewels and wear white look down upon those who wear jewels as if they will definitely go to hell and such ppl.have to improve and reach a HIGHER holier state of forsaking jewelry…..

  8. @ PRIYA
    Hi sister, please refrain from wearing gold or any pieces of jewellery . i know so many they dnt wear those even they re not from TPM , see me myself not wearing as soon as i became born again . no need to stress more on that , if you find it difficult just wear it , there are other things we need Grace .

  9. Dear Brother apostate, I think you have definitely not understood the point that I am trying to make. Kindly read my testimony on another discussion on this site. The fact that there is so much of insisting, teachings and testimony about jewels, snakes attacking the wearers….. that’s DEFINITELY not according to the word of GOD… that’s the issue. Wear or don’t wear jewelry…. that’s a personal choice….it’s good if you don’t wear….. same it’s good if you wear them as a Christian…. doesn’t make ANY difference at all….. according to the word of GOD…. the problem arises when its removal becomes an important requisite for salvation. Whatever the Bible says has to be taught in the complete context… absolutely nothing should be changed or modified… or say…. let’s remove jewels…. it’s better…. it’s best to be safe and holier…. teaching should be like this…. believers…. you may wear jewelry or choose not to….absolutely it’s your personal choice…. but forsaking jewelry doesn’t in anyway mean sacrifice for the Lord or holier living or a special higher place in heaven… or for people who do wear jewelry…. be true and holy to the Lord in your heart… seek him first…. jewels are not going to pull you down to hell… you may be a man or woman wearing jewelry…. at the same time you may lead an upright life with all the 9 fruits of the spirit…. Then by the grace of GOD surely you are going to have the best place in heaven because of His grace and the 9 fruits of the spirit…. both jewel clad and jewel forsaking ppl both are going to heaven in the same LEVEL !!!! This is what the word of GOD says. Is this being taught ???? Because it is not taught the way it should be….. ppl misuse scriptures and downgrade the grace of GOD and LOSE focus on the most important thing…. HIS grace .

  10. The good principles on which TPM was founded as a pentecostal church is being lost due to erroneous teaching leaving the few who desire biblical life on earth gullible to these teachings.

    Most of the recent teachings except for a few spirit-guided sermons, are largely opinions of that individual. Instead of seeking verses to justify on every teaching, aspect of your life, refer Colossians 3:23 (KJV)

    23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

    If it is in your belief that wearing jewel is not going to be a cause of concern when it comes to personal relationship with God, wear it in pride disregarding everything else, or move on to a different denomination. There is a lot of denominations that could be better in worshipping God but allow some of these things as to an individual’s requirement.

    As with any charismatic/pentecostal group, tpm is also one of the cultish groups you may see under Christian denominations (there’s about 33,000 denominations now). So move on to a different denomination, or if you want to stick with tpm, find a better branch, preferably smaller where faith is the foundation yet, not the well-built branches that can work with money. Again, cult or not, is based on the peace you have at the end of the day.

    Luke 18:8 (KJV)

    8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

    This is the greatest concern of our Apostles regarding the future. Have faith in Jesus Christ, and do not let others (including pastors or anyone of that position) to define your faith based on their teaching. Indulging in discussions such as these, will only weaken your base, quenching the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit has to reside in each of us, and I am sure, there’s more than ornamental issues that is in question of the holiness to be found. The removal shows an individual’s willingness to leave the old self once saved. For what is Salvation, if no change is visible in our thoughts, deeds, and behaviour?

    And the visions of heaven and hell, please do not allow these visions or dreams to define your faith in Christ. All the signs and guidances that is required for a Human being to live perfectly on this earth has been fulfilled by the Gospel. If we needed further signs and wonders to happen, then it will never be enough, proving we have not made to the first wrung of Christianity.

    If you have time, read the whole bible once, if done, read it again, and again and again. In a while, try reading it in another language, will help you a lot in understanding. One thing I can assure, One cannot live upright with all of the nine fruits of the spirit and still continue wearing ornaments. It contradicts the work of the Spirit of God’s incorporation of these nine fruits of the spirit in our daily life.

    I may have a finger ring as a sign of wedded, and then another will justify a toe-ring, and then a nose-ring, and then something else. But where do you draw the line? Can ‘Peace’ one of the fruits of Spirit be incorporated if incidents, gossips, scandals, teachings easily shake you?

    The ‘holier than thou’ attitude will never get less, it will only increase further and so will the Moral standards of Christ-like will be challenging. Our God will take extreme measures to save a person who truly is desiring HIM so why not take extreme measures for HIM? for he will ignore a wannabe completely until the time of HIS Judgement, for he has plenty of time, which we definitely don’t.

    The pre-requisites for going to Heaven is the highest standard of morality to be lived from the perspective of God’s eye not by the principles defined by man. One cannot comprehend the quintessential existence of our God. Either you go crazy or HE shall dwell in you, and you in Him. I would definitely ask you to stay away from such people within/of church and also from outside of the church as well.

    Satan is a trickster. We can let ourselves tricked (for personal freedom) with the little sins. For it is the little sins that grow into bigger ones. Or submit to Christ.

    Question: Would Jesus Christ wear ornament and set an example to an upright life? Surely, Jews were not prohibited from wearing ornaments.
    If all our questions were so, the answers are simple enough. As to this site’s voice, that is their individual choice, it would not have to come to this, if their concerns were addressed earlier. If it makes your stand in Christ, strong, then praise God. If not, seek guidance of the Holy Spirit.

    1. @bro Duran,
      //The pre-requisites for going to Heaven is the highest standard of morality to be lived from the perspective of God’s eye not by the principles defined by man. //

      Morality may keep you out of Jail,
      But only blood of Christ can keep you out of hell.
      C. H. Supurgeon.

      1. Dear Duran,

        Who has taught this to you? Or how have you thought this?

        ##The pre-requisites for going to Heaven is the highest standard of morality to be lived from the perspective of God’s eye not by the principles defined by man.##

        This thought does not come from God’s word.

        If you don’t agree, please give the Bible scripture to back your statement up – if you can.

        For God’s word in the Bible teaches us:

        Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

        Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

        For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

        Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

        Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

        Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

        Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

        To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.

        Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

        For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

        This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

        And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

        Duran, do you believe that God’s word is his final revelation to us?

  11. Nath and Believer in Christ.

    I used to a simple or layman’s term of highest standard of morality through God’s lens to describe all the references you have made. Not the morality that we profess, that changes in time.

    Standard of Jesus Christ begins with believing in Jesus Christ, His Bloodshed on the Cross, all the finished works, and the explanation by the apostles in the tiniest detail for us who seek constant loophole to satisfy our selfishness.

    Holiness, dedication, consecration, separation all these phrases are known to pagans, hypocrites and true Christians. My explanation was to give general explanation as I am aware that there are a lot of non-tpmites, newly converted Christians visiting this website who need it in general.

    Pre-requisite and the after-requisite is pretty much the same. Love this man and stay in love. When the sign of trouble comes, don’t choose someone else cause the other man is easy.

    Simply put, you got to fall in love with Jesus Christ, and stay in love with Jesus Christ, even if it means carrying out His word is like a foot in the nail to us.

    Jews had their hundreds of laws, oral traditions (referring Jewish books), they were following what was given and then modified in years to their need, so Jesus had to come and fulfill the law. He gave us a standard, by far the highest and said follow this and He was killed for it.

    Believing in Him, what he has done, and how we respond to it, pretty much decides where we are going to spend our after-life. And if we need to single out verses for our selfishness, then believing in Him or the Bloodshed for us, does not help.

    And I believe the Holy Bible has all the revelation I need. All newer revelations as many claim was just there already and it was me that didn’t see it as I did not want to see it I am open to suggestions, opinions and all of that, but I will trust on the Word of God any day over anyone. Cause all I need, it is in there. They is no maybe’s or loopholes or differences in the whole bible for if it were, then the temerity these people have would be justified. It is direct yes or no on everything. Only my heart used to want a verse satisfying my need. I don’t do that anymore.

    And I thank you all who edify with verses, that is good. But don’t you all think these verses were already read and skipped, and if we really gave our heart to it, it should be crystal clear. Or there is no difference between the followers of self-claimed godmens, and us following Jesus Christ.

    If you need my email ID for any conversation, you can take it from Admin if he is okay with it.

    Peace.

    1. Dear Duran,

      You seem to be in two minds.

      Because you have said twice in your comments that Bible scripture reading is #selfishness# and is a #loophole#. And yet you say #if we really gave our heart to it, it should be crystal clear#. It seems you see the need to read verses but you think that it is a #selfishness# and a #loophole#. This is double mindedness.
      God does not want us to be double minded – please read James 1:8

      If you really #believe the Holy Bible has all the revelation you need# and then you say #all newer revelations as many claim were just there already# but you #didn’t see# them as you #did not want to see# them, are you saying that the false Zion revelation of TPM, for example, has been forced upon you because you didn’t want to see it? Why not refute the false Zion revelation to TPM?

      At all times it is very important to be in a good teaching church.
      Flee the false teaching of TPM.
      Find a gospel preaching and Bible teaching doctrinal church.

      Don’t let the false peace of a cult deceive you. False peace is based on ignorance, Luke 12:16-20. False peace is based on self-righteousness, Luke 18:9.
      False peace is based on a seared conscience, 1 Timothy 4:2.

      True peace is based on sin judged and forgiven, Ephesians 2:14,17; Colossians 1:20; John 20:19-22.
      True peace is maintained by confession to God, confidence and communion, 1 John 1:9; Isaiah 26:3,4; Philippians 4:4-9.

      As you have correctly said, #there is no difference between the followers of self-claimed godmens, and us following Jesus Christ# in TPM.

      Jesus said the truth shall make you free!

  12. Dear Duran,
    The word ‘morality’ means “customs, manners, mores serving to teach principles of right and wrong”.
    Customs and mores do not have any objective standard of right and wrong, good or bad. Customs and mores are subjective and relative. Have you seen that the word ‘morality’ is not a word found in the Bible?

    Christians do not profess morality. Christians profess the new birth and faith in Jesus the Son of God. This is the difference.

    God’s Word has an objective, (not subjective), absolute (not relative) standard of truth. God tells us what is good or evil, true or false in his Word.

    Now I will quote from a Christian writer, whom I credit for the following explanations, and which I hope will prove to be a blessing for you too in regards to understanding the difference between morality, customs and mores and God’s standards …

    [We read] God noted that “the customs of the people are vain” (Jeremiah 10:3), and not to be confused with his ordinances.
    Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs…” [morals or ethics] Leviticus 18:30.

    The word moral (according to custom) is an affront to God. This implies that man himself can determine what is right and wrong.
    Eve became the first ‘moralist’, as she chose to decide what is good and what is evil.
    Rebels, like Eve and Lucifer seek “the good’.

    Morality always claims to adhere to “what is right”. Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes. Deuteronomy 12:8
    God spoke these words because the heathen perennially chose their mores over the laws of God.

    Taoists maintain (say) morals are relative.
    The Hindu Bhagavad Gita states: There can be no absolute moral values because all things are changing, evolving.

    Man rejects the mandates, (decrees, laws, and commandments) of God for a man-made morality.

    So, the term “highest standard of morality” through God’s lens is of the New Age trend. New Age says truth is relative. New Age says morality is from the innermost self, not from obedience. New Age promises contact with a religious god who doesn’t judge anyone.
    Morality carries with it no description of what is forbidden.

    What does God say we should do?
    “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” Colossians 3;16
    Then we shall not go astray.
    Praise God.

  13. Again, my reply was in layman’s terms, if I were to explain as the way you said to a general group of people, they would go ‘uh, er, what?”. My reply is in general terms. Some here read but do not understand what is subjective and relative. We all should know that certain terms that we use are never used in the Bible, so yes I do know that morality as a word is not found in the bible. If you want an exact word to word reply, i can give that. But only a few would understand not all.

    I disagree with all other religious texts and books. Their Gods are false and so are their texts.

    Now I understand, that I should have been clear in using that sentence. My bad. I want to stress, that my explanation stems on the fact that do not do what is right in your own eyes, but through God’s perspective. Period!

    “man himself can determine what is right and wrong” I would implore you to rethink about this. There is a lot being done in the world by other religions who believe in this.

    Choosing to decide what is good is a lot different than knowing if that same thing is good in the eyes of our God or not.

    All the verses you have mentioned are the foundation to my explanation. I have mentioned just without the verses, these all are not unknown to us. Let us not complicate it further. Appreciate your efforts.

  14. Dear Duran,

    ##”man himself can determine what is right and wrong” I would implore you to rethink about this.##

    You left out the first sentence I quoted which was – “The word moral (according to custom) is an affront to God.” [This stated that morality is an affront to God.] Then the explanation followed in the next sentence and this sentence read – “This implies that man himself can determine what is right and wrong.”

    Duran you need to read the whole paragraph to understand why morality is an affront to God. Please read these two sentences together.

    By taking this phrase out of its context you have done yourself a mis-service.
    This paragraph is very clear as to why God is not a moralist.

    Try reading it again.

    Kind regards.

  15. It seems you have taken up my replies to man-made morals. For the nth time, I am referring to the standard of Jesus Christ. The moral and ethics teaching of Jesus Christ. Not the morality from our eyes. Had you not brought the human morality, these replied would have not extended back and forth.

    Human morality of choosing right and wrong varies by individual perspective and I agree it is an affront to God. Now I hope you may understand, I don’t care about morality as we see it and to take that to God is pure stupidity. Morality as in God’s perspective is my topic!

    i just noticed the other reply. What made you think I go to TPM? Do not guess brother. All I want to be is part of His Kingdom, not some group that was founded yesterday. I am not for/against TPM. But I know plenty of these people who are like the gypsum that has cured for ages, so I am giving them basics in contrast to the ‘deeper truths’.

    My reference to selfishness, loopholes says that if I do not have a clear conscience in understanding God’s perspective, then I will always try to find a verse that will justify my acts. For instance, sexual immorality, but then when it comes to my girlfriend, I might say, mine is pure love. Hope you got this point.

    To a selfish man, Bible gives him plenty of verses to justify his act, cause he does not want to see it as it is. For a man with a clear conscience, he does not need a particular verse. The complete works in the Bible have plenty of examples for all kinds of situations that tells us directly whether something is not right or wrong.

    It is as if someone searching for a verse for a specific category that Jesus has said, when he already knows all sub-divisions under that category is sinful in the eyes of God even though a verse for that specific word may not be present in the new testament.

    Understand that what you have been saying is of human morals, and I agree with that as well. I am emphasizing on the teachings of Jesus Christ / God’s perspective from the whole bible.

    Not what is right/wrong in our own eyes, but from God’s!

  16. Dear Duran,

    My dear friend, your words have given you away!

    Jesus said, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7:16

    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:20

    Dear Duran, Jesus said Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Jesus said, Ye must be born again. John 3:3,7

  17. Right. Ye must. Part of the moral/ethics teaching is to be born again. Perhaps, we may not be on the same page. All quoted verses are agreed without a jot changed.

  18. Dear Duran,

    Sorry my friend, there is no place in Christianity for the teaching of morality.

    Jesus never once preached “morality”. Neither is that word given by utterance of the Holy Ghost.

    Please refrain from preaching this error because you have exposed yourself as a fraud towards the gospel.

    Even when an explanation was offered to you of the offence of morality to God, you have continued to preach it.

    Jesus said, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. Matthew 15:8

    The bible is the final authority, and teaches the new life Christ gives repentant sinners through the Holy Spirit for holy living. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.John 6:63

    Morality is not repentance unto life.
    Morality is the religious expression of this world, and of man.

    Duran, because you have not been preaching the Word of God, that seed of God is not alive in you.

    You would be wise to cease from your rebellion against the Holy Spirit of God. Humble yourself before God, repent of your contrary ways and be reconciled to God.
    For I perceive that the spirit which is in you is not from the Lord Jesus Christ.

  19. Well. I applaud your discernment. But you still did not understand what I was trying to express. Once in a while try to read properly without coming to quick conclusion. Anyone can quote verses. No point in taking this further. It is futile to discuss this further. Thank you for the revelation!

  20. #Part of the moral/ethics teaching is to be born again#???

    Dear Duran,
    Sorry, Duran, but I must reply to you.

    Again, I am concerned for your preaching.

    I notice that Moral/ethics teaching can be found in Hindu and Buddhist religions which teach a rebirth of the atman. [Atman may refer to: Ātman (Hinduism), meaning “self, SOUL”, a philosophical concept common to all schools of Hindu philosophy. Ātman (Buddhism), a reference to the essential self. Ātman (Jainism), a philosophical term used within Jainism to identify the SOUL. Wikipedia]

    Ethics and morals should not be confused with born again Christianity.

    This is how Jesus explained born again.
    Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:3-7
    It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63

    When anyone receives JESUS as Saviour by believing on his name we are born again by the power of GOD. – But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:12-13

    The wages of sin is death! And you hath he quickened, who were DEAD in TRESPASSES AND SINS. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by GRACE ye are saved;) For by grace are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:1,5,8,9

    To God be the glory! Here is our answer – we teach – Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever.
    That’s why we need to quote verses from the Bible. That’s why we need to preach the gospel of Christ. That’s why we need to teach others to observe all things whatsoever Jesus has commanded us.

    God bless you Duran.

  21. Thank you for the referenced verses. By now, you should know all these verses are not new to me. You still did not understand the basic introduction I was parting with my replies. Anyway, Thank you! Moral/ethics from the point of other religions do not hold any value for me as they are distorted, bent for their self-justification.

    God bless me indeed!

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