TPM – The Perpetual Manipulators

One of the signs that a denomination cares more about their name and fame more than the Truth can be found in the way they handle scandals. Churches like RCC and TPM care more about their name because their foundation is exclusivity. Most of the believers are bound to the denomination because they think this is the purest of all churches. They proudly proclaim that there is no other church like this one. Any threat that undermines the exclusivity will be covered up. All they care is that they have to show on the outside that there is no other denomination purer than this.

TPM - The Perpetual Manipulators
The TPM Chief Manipulator. Pastor Abraham

TPM claims to be apostolic. So the least we can expect is that TPM handles scandals in the church in a similar way that the early church did. Let’s do a comparative study and see how Paul dealt with sin in the church and how TPM deals with sin in the Church. Surely if TPM’s claim to apostolicity has some merit, there must me at least a small similarity in how they deal with similar circumstances? We all know by now how Pas Sunny George sins were covered up and the Church was ordered to act like nothing at all had happened.

What did Paul advice?

  1. Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this?” (1 Cor 5:2)
  2. I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this.” (1 Cor 5:3)
  3. Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.” (1 Cor 5:5)
  4. Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch” (1 Cor 5:7)
  5. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.” (1 Cor 5:11)
  6. Expel the wicked person from among you.” (1 Cor 5:13)

What did TPM do?

  1. Step 1 – Change the story and transfer the “saint” to a different location so that he can continue in his lifestyle of abuse.
  2. Step 2 – Threaten the witnesses of dire consequences if the matter is revealed outside the walls of the church.
  3. Step 3 – Make sure inflow of tithe is constant

Listen to the latest sermon given by the new center pastor of Dubai soon after Sunny George was removed.


“They served God with their substance. Why does God give you substance? It is not to go away from God or to become like the prodigal son. But we have to minister the Lord by the substance God has given us


TPM tries to damage control and makes sure the inflow of money remains constant in Dubai even though before their very eyes, they have seen their hard earned money flushed down the drain. It takes a special kind of deception to fool the masses at this level. God has indeed blessed you to bless others, but don’t bury your head in the sand and act like you don’t care what TPM does with your money. You are answerable to God.

  1. Step 4 – Use fear and intimidation to make sure the disgruntled believers don’t leave the denomination.

“Until you are exalted, you have to be under the hand of your master. You shouldn’t go anywhere


The implication here is that you have to remain in TPM and not leave the denomination. Clearly, the TPM hierarchy has sensed that people will start leaving the church seeing the way they handled the situation. So they resort to the only thing they know how to keep them within the church – fear, and intimidation.

  1. Step 5 – Double down, then twist an Old Testament passage to make sure the enslaved remain enslaved

“God brings the people of God from such places (like India) and bring them to faraway places (like Dubai) so that they may be free in some aspects at the same time making them slaves to saints.”


This has got to be one of the most atrocious thing ever heard from a TPM pulpit.  If anything, we are slaves to God.

But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God” (Romans 6:22)

And not slaves to men

You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.” (1 Cor 7:23)

But sadly, TPM believers are indeed slaves to their saints. They take every decision in life after taking permission from their “saints”. It’s almost as if prayer is rendered redundant in a TPM believer’s life. No matter how much they pray about a matter, a conclusive answer will be received only after asking their saints. Is this why the veil was torn?

Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.” (Heb 4:16)

Comparison

Comparing the two incidents did Pas. Abraham tell the church at Dubai to go into mourning and put out of fellowship the man who was caught in homosexuality? No. TPM, on the other hand, has transferred the person in question to a different location.

The judgment TPM passes will be on those who open up about the scandal saying God will punish those who speak a word against the “consecrated servants of God”.

The yeast in TPM has been growing through the years. Is it any wonder that iniquity has been increasing in TPM as the years go by? In a few weeks, we’ll have the same man bless the communion bread and wine and announce those who take medicine should not sit at the Lord’s Table. This is just the opposite of how Paul handled the scandal in the church at Corinth.

Conclusion

Dear TPM believer,

Are you still willing to call TPM “apostolic” and your saints “apostles”? You say TPM has “apostolic” doctrines. Yet we have shown in many of our articles that TPM’s doctrines are not found in the early church and therefore not apostolic. You even say there is no other church on earth with such “deep truths”. Yet, when pressed to list out these “deep truth” in Scripture you are unable to do so.

So ask yourself this,

  1. Why are TPM’s doctrines and practices so inconsistent with the early church and the early apostles?
  2. Why do you care so much about your church’s name when Paul didn’t care about it in dealing with incest in Corinth?

God Bless.

88 Comments on “TPM – The Perpetual Manipulators”

    1. Albert
      There is a difference between the Biblical slave and the islamic slave. The islamic slave is one who do not have any choice but is forced into a situation without an option.

      However that is not what was intended in the bible including Romans 6:18. The slave meaning of Biblical authors were a different one.
      The Hebrew word for “bondservant,” ‘ebed, had a similar connotation. However, the Mosaic Law allowed an indentured servant to become a bondservant voluntarily: “If the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life” (Exodus 21:5-6).




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      1. “There is a difference between the Biblical slave and the islamic slave. The islamic slave is one who do not have any choice but is forced into a situation without an option.”

        I was also confused on this .. but you explained it very well ..
        thanks .




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  1. When we ask about sunny George issue,Faith home people say”sunnichayan is innocent. Some backslider brother has woven this story”.Some believers say”we will never believe this story.But all believe Raju Varghese money issue.I don’t know the reason.




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    1. Initially i was also sceptical about the Sunny issue. But, when many young guys started communicating regarding his abuse of them and when I heard of incidents where Sr clergy trying to sidebrush their complaints i knew this has to be true. I have got reports of such things which happened 10 years back with this same person.




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      1. He was the Munnar Centre Pastor who got demoted in the TPM hierarchy because he kept some money which unfortunately for him got discovered because of the demonetization drive. There were others also of the same category but this fellow somehow had more than the others and got his pocket highlighted.




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  2. All other church authorities have to give account to the money their believers give.But TPM has a special authority. TPM believers don’t want to know what these servants of God are doing with the huge amount of money that they get.Almost all centers have got very big buildings.Many centers no more need more buildings.Then,Why don’t they help poor people who has no shelter.Jesus said ….”Verily I said unto you,in as much you have done it unto one of the least of these my bretheren you have done it unto me”.Mat:25:40.As a church TPM can help poor people,at least their own believers.




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  3. This site has help lot of people to open their eyes an I recently spoke to few diehard TPM, now they no longer interested in defending TPM,
    And happy to see lot of comments and hope fully lot of silent readers,
    Thank god for opening their eyes,
    These people have a filthy life behind the screen,




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  4. Yes, what he has said is atrocious but actually that is the plain real truth – MAKING THEM (Tpm believers) SLAVES TO SAINTS (Tpm servants of God).
    For example, they must know all your personal / family issues whether good or bad – the “saints” poke their noses even if you don’t want their interference or show you’re uncomfortable. Whether you want to buy a bike or a car or house, they tell you what to buy (if it turns out positive they take the glory – like how you hear in most of the TPM testimonies “the servents of God prayed so I got healed or I was blessed like this” etc., If it’s no good and turns out negative then they put the blame on you like you have “unsanctified natures”, maybe not forgiven someone etc.,)…sometimes they want to know even how you manage your finance. No matter what, you have to obey whatever they say. Subtly, they take the place of God in all walks of your life. This is REAL SLAVERY and very sadly most people don’t even realize it!




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  5. It’s very sad that other Pentecostal churches are unable to lead and bring about the desired discipline within the church. Believers that too well to do categories are controlling top to bottom pastors, they decide who should pray, preach and sit in front. I have relatives of IPC and in one marriage I experienced all the above points. There is no other church like Tpm going in a systematic and disciplined way. If one servent of God is posted in a particular church, he has the full authority and responsibility of that church. Tpm ministers are working for the mission, where as in other churches, ministers are working for their benefit, leading a family life like others, because it’s a profession not a service. Tpm ministers after getting a post card leave everything even if they have done big job, without any claim go to the next church and serve the lord there. That’s why they are called consecrated servents of God. If some one does something wrong that individual will bear the blaim, not the church. No other church can be compared to Tpm taking into consideration of holiness. I have full faith and experience in it, so far nothing wrong I could see in it to leave it. Trees which bear fruits only get stoned.




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    1. I have attended tpm all my life and can confidently say your assessment of tpm is just pure hogwash. We are not defending IPC or any other denomination. We are assessing tpm doctrines and practices in light of scripture. And what we find is that TPM’s exclusive doctrines and practices are as unbiblical as unbiblical gets. If unbiblical rules and practices is whats attractive to you, North Korea would be like a paradise to you.

      Here’s a challenge to you. Please find the word “consecrated” in the New Testament. The fact that you are least bothered with giving a scriptural defense for TPM practice and doctrines shows how much blinded you are (as was I a few years back).




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    2. //Other churches don’t have desired discipline// I have not seen any form of discipline in Tpm during serving food. People don’t even have the patience or discipline to form a queue and get their food. I have seen well to do believers don’t stand in queue instead they will send some innocent people or just come from behind and get their food. Another sad thing that’s happening, how many faith homes provide hygienic wash rooms for the believers. They are not cleaned in months and years.
      I grew up in a church with thousands of believers who stand in perfect queue even if it’s a cup of tea and biscuits and the church had neat and tidy washrooms.




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  6. Bro Sam Daniel,
    You are a nut case!! As admin said your are robot of Tpm.

    Do you know how Bible asks church to remain in discipline?
    Read 1 Corn 14. The truth is that there is no church as disorderly as TPM is.

    You rightly said that Tpm ministers work for Tpm organization. They don’t work for God.

    Holiness! That makes me laugh!!! We all know so called holiness of your saints who murder, rape,do sexual immorality, love money, self boasters, full of pride, despise others , fight , and do all kinds of evil works.




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    1. First I thought I should not reply to your comments because your “nut” usage is not of a spiritual person. Word of God very clearly tells, don’t put your jewelry in front of a pig because with out knowing it’s value it will crush it on the ground. If you find some thing good agree and accept it.,instead of arguing. If you are not able live a victorious spiritual life forsaking all, father, mother, brother, sister and even his own life he is not worthy to serve the Lord this is what the word of god tellls. Forsake Pentecostal people, Hindus, catholic priests forsake their worldly pleasures for the sake of lords work , if one cannot control his lustful desires what sort of “minister ” he or she is ? and crying every where that marriage is a must. Ok, if he is married and his wife died, immediately he should be away from lords work till he gets married as per you people’s doctrine. We see boards, one can urinate here, even if you don’t want then also you must do it?? Don’t use the word of god for your convenience.




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      1. Sam,
        I am sorry for using that word “nut.” I didn’t mean to hurt you. In anyway no excuse!! I repent of using that word. Now let us try to make you understand the verse that you quoted (about forsaking all including father, mother, wives). It is stated in Luke.

        Luke 14:26,27,33
        If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my DISCIPLE (μαθητεύω). And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my DISCIPLE (μαθητεύω)……. So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my (μαθητεύω) disciple (Luke 14:26,27,33). 

        The word DISCIPLE (μαθητεύω) does not necessarily mean that DISCIPLE= ministers of word of God or clergy class
        For example: See Matt 28:19 Jesus asked 12 disciples to go to nations and make DISCIPLE (μαθητεύω) of all nations. KJV translate μαθητεύω (DISCIPLES) in Matt 28:19 as “teach all”… If you look in other translations you will find the word (μαθητεύω) disciples there. So the word (μαθητεύω) Disciples in Matt 28:19 shows that it does not mean clergy class. Similarly same word (μαθητεύω) disciples is used in Acts 15:10. In Acts also it refers to general Christian community. Therefore the word (μαθητεύω) Disciples in Luke 14:33 does not mean a special clergy class. It does not mean ministers of word of God. It applies to all believers in Christ. It is applicable to you and me. It means all followers of Jesus and his teachings are his (μαθητεύω) Disciples. Therefore every follower of Jesus must forsake all and take up his cross if he is to follow Jesus or become Christian. It is folly to take that verse and conclude ministers of word of God must not marry or leave his wife.

        Your turn. Please respond!




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        1. Therefore Luke 14:2627,33 means that we all must take up our cross, crucify our selves and follow Jesus. Every Christian is included in it. None can be Christian if he does not crucify his SELF. That is what the verse means. TPM has distorted it’s meaning and taken that verse literary and taught TPM members that every minister of word of God must forsake their belongings and come to ministry. They therefore wrongly teach that other church Pastors are not disciples according to this verse; and only TPM ministers are true disciples.

          I hope it is clear!




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      2. Brother Sam Daniel,

        Christ came in order to make us His righteousness.

        If you need better understanding as to what your own ‘consecration’ can do, it will do nothing other than accuse you or make you proud.
        Very soon you will be sincerely leading a double life, because you are so ashamed of what others will think… whereas Christ calls each one to come to Him as they are.
        In your understanding Sir, Christianity began somewhere in 1922 in Sri Lanka, until then all were in dark ages.

        Tell me one thing:
        Who was more consecrated? Jesus or John the Baptist; John’s disciples or Jesus’ disciples? You know the answer it was John and his disciples.

        I do not want to convince you as there is a ton of explanation given.

        Samson had A grade consecration but lived a sorry life even while his locks were on his head. But Pastors like T.U knowingly or unknowingly give the impression that he fell because of the razor on his head.

        Read Galatians till Collossians for yourself- Paul is literally crying out trying to explain the same thing to the new church because there were traditional Jewish Christians who gave more importance to Moses’ law and compelled others to become Jewish before they can be called Christians.

        I have in the past fought tooth and nail defending TPM doctrines, but deep in my heart I knew there were no wholesome substantiation other than random verses.

        If you know someone who needs clarification about these topics, let them read the Bible and pray first.
        You can do a three way comparison between the Bible, your doctrine books/songs/messages, and this website.

        Many think that most of us here are agents for the admin- no we all have no idea who the other is. It is my belief that my comment will help someone decide to read his Bible and pray asking for wisdom.

        I hope this is not an unrealistic expectation.




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  7. Dear Sam Daniel
    I think you are just like a frog in the well for which that well is a world. After attending one marriage in IPC you have come to the conclusion that there is no discipline in other Pentecostal churches. But sad to say that after seeing & hearing so much of filthiness in TPM you are not able to come to a conclusion that there is no Pentecostal denominations filthy as TPM. You go to Zac Poonen’s church, International English Church in Bangalore and so many other churches; you will find amazing discipline. In fact the discipline in TPM is not of the HOLY SPIRIT but of the minister in charge. In TPM, believers fear the ministers more than God. According to me the believers in TPM are like horse or mule which should be held with bit & bridle.
    You said that no church is like TPM holiness. You mean, homosex, phone sex and other things practiced in TPM is holiness. If that is holiness then you are 100% right, there is no church like TPM in holiness. I think you need to understand the meaning of true holiness. If your TPM ministers have the God desired holiness then why even some Centre Pastors requested the pastors of other denominations to cast out the demons from TPM believers?
    You said TPM ministers work for mission. Yes, I do agree with you because, they work for mission but not for God. Most of the ministers have left nothing or little but they enjoy the best comfort & luxury. They are gluttonous, who even during fasting use all high protein drinks & juice whereas, Pastors of other denominations fast 21,40,50 days just with a cup of tea in the morning & evening. It’s better you don’t speak about their consecration. In TPM even a young brother don’t have the humility to do any work. They make the believers even of their father’s age to do all the works. I have noticed in south, old people carrying the Bible bag of TPM ministers who are like his grandchildren. Is it you call the dedication & consecration of TPM ministers? Do you know, what Jesus desires from his disciples? “And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.” Mark 10:44. I can place so many bad practices of TPM. Dear brother Sam, don’t try to fool others & we can not be fooled by you. Try to make them fool who have no biblical knowledge. You said that, “trees which bear fruit only get stoned.” But I want to say that “thief when he is caught gets black & blue.”




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    1. Brother Anthony,
      Kudos to you. What an excellent interpretation. May God bless you with more heavenly wisdom.

      If these white clad day light saints are holy, then who is unholy??????




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  8. Almost all TPM ministers give importance to rich people.This “we are the holiest” attitude ,even after hearing all the “saints” stories,shows TPMites” arrogance.In their eyes all other churches are very bad.They boast about their ministers’ consecration .They do not understand there are so many ministers in other churches ,who serve the Lord sincerely.




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  9. Dear Samkutty
    Other Pentecostal denomination pastors & ex-tpm ministers who married to lead a good moral life are burning in lust or your TPM ministers who don’t believe in one wife system? Pastors of other denominations have only one legally married wife but your TPM ministers have illegal unmarried wife. Being not satisfied with that they even go after men. What a shame? I give you an open challange to come to a platform & I will place a list of TPM pastors with all immorality.




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    1. In my knowledge there is no truth in your claim that Tpm pastors have many wives. Tpm believes are not fools to blindly believe everything. They know that their ministers are saints and they lead a holy life. With your fabricated stories don’t think you can brain wash innocent children of god. Pastors for wealth and fame will fabricate such stories to misguide people. If you get some one with these stories join them with you, together all can go to eternal fire.




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  10. Brother Anthony,
    These white clad day light saints are promiscuous. Married people stick to one wife because of the discipline in their life whereas they are like temple oxen. What a shame? Still these brainwashed believers (slaves) like Samkutty and others carry them on their shoulders.




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  11. Dear brothers,
    Biblical is one point for which 1 Timothy 3:1 is your base. Please read 2 Timothy 3:1-9. You people are of this category. 1 cori. 7:1-7. Apostle Paul tells in 1cori:7:7, it’s my desire that all must be like me, that is with out a wife. Read 1 cori. 7:9, if you cannot take victory over your lust, instead of wandering, get married. This applies to any person fallen from grace while serving the lord in Tpm, because other churches are there to welcome them after getting married. Also read 7:29-35. Also read 1 cori. 7:38. Tpm is an international Pentecostal church in which some might have fallen. That doesn’t mean Tpm and its teachings are wrong. One thing is very clear, so far no other denomination is better than Tpm, if that is so, I will be the first person to go to that church. In eternal life there is no husband and wife. Even Pastor Alawin was excommunicated for teaching edennic doctrine. On a white cloth a small mark can also be seen., whereas on a dark cloth gigantic marks also cannot be seen. So better brother/s you judge yourself so that you will not be judged. Lords coming is very near. Whatever denomination you belong to, Tpm, IPC,Sharon,cog,etc, if you live according to the word of god, you will be caught up when Jesus comes in glory to receive his saints. I don’t have Tpm spirit, I believe in the Holy Spirit only. If you really want to live for Jesus, follow the saints who really follow Jesus. Jesus did not marry. Hallelujah.




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    1. Sam, I have already told you repeatedly that I’m a TPM believer. Do you know the meaning of context? 1 cor 7 is NOT addressing church leaders whereas 1 Tim 3 is. No matter what you keep repeating it won’t change that fact. You have no refutation of any of my comments until now. You’re just repeating a standard tpm reply over and over again.




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    2. 2 Tim 3:1-9 perfectly describes TPM. So thank you for bringing that scripture to our attention.

      But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

      6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. (2 Tim 3:1-9)




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      1. Yes brother I agree with you. If some one did something wrong or fallen from the grace of god we should pray for them instead of condemning them. I don’t know the truth of this so called letter and stories of a backslider.




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        1. Brother
          You have been using the terminology “Fallen from Grace” to denote people who have left TPM ministry. Let me tell you in love. Brother you are thoroughly mistaken. In fact it is TPM ministers who have fallen from Grace as per the Bible . Please check out Galatians 5:4


          Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
          Galatians 5:4 KJV


          Every thing flowed in TPM is just trying to follow some Man made laws camouflaging as God’s laws. It means all TPM ministers are fallen from Grace.




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        2. A thing which shivers is, Jesus forgave our amass of sins and we are fighting over our brethren sins. True it should be exposed an correct or detained. The adulterous woman was forgiven by Jesus and none dared to stone her. Miriam was leprosy for speaking against Moses though he did many bad things.

          Its just few words that rings my ears.




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        3. Brother website is not at all interested in humiliating someone. Read about us section. The whole idea is to manifest to people that anti-gospel teaching of salvation by human works. TPM teaches sinless Perfection by works. They wear white clothes to dupe people into believing that they live a holy life. Therefore website is exposing their lie, so that readers understand that we human beings are prone to mistakes. Hence our only hope is clinging to Righteousness of Christ imputed to us by faith in finished work of cross.




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    3. Brother Sam Daniel,
      You said,
      //because other churches are there to welcome them after getting married. //

      This means you accept that TPM does not allow married people to serve God!! In other words they forbid to marry. Does 1 Corn 7 has any restriction that only celibates must serve God. The answer is emphatic no!!

      On the other hand Paul prophecies that times will come when few people being led away by doctrines of devil will forbid others to marry (see 1 Tim 4:1-3). Roman Catholics, Orthodox and TPM fall into this category. They thus being led away by doctrines of devil prohibit marriage of ministers of word of God!!




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      1. Yes brother, Tpm does not allow people to marry if they’re already in the ministry. Bible very clearly tells, if anyone wants to serve the lord, he or she should forsake everything, father mother, brother and sister and even his/her own life then only he can serve the lord. After coming out for the lords ministry if one wants to marry then the worldly desires entered in his mind and he is unfit to serve the lord because his first love and dedication to the lord has gone and instead of pleasing the lord, he is trying to please his desires and his wife, then he or she cannot serve the lord wholeheartedly. In such situations the ministers above them will advise them to leave otherwise believers will reject them. You may please judge yourself whether Tpm is right or wrong.




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        1. Brother Sam Daniel,
          Kindly refer to my earlier post where I tried to make clear the meaning of verse you quoted about forsaking all. Luke 14:26,27-33 is not only for ministers but for all general Christian community. The word (μαθητεύω) used in luke 14 for disciples is also used in Matt 28:19 and Acts 15:10 and in all three places it refers to all Christians and not to clergy class. There are other references to support my point. You can search yourself for all the occurrence of word Disciples (μαθητεύω) and check whether it means clergy class or entire Christian Community.

          As far as your logic of family being a hindrance in ministering is considered, it is not cent percent true. Peter had a wife and other apostles of Jesus served with wives and their children. See 1 Corn 9:5. Paul says “Do we not have the right to TAKE ALONG a believing WIFE, as do the other APOSTLES and the brothers of the Lord and CEPHAS (Peter)?”

          If Peter and other Apostles served God in troublesome times of those days along with the wife and family then why cant TPM ministers serve God along with their families? When you force someone not to marry and serve then you are actually putting him in temptation. No wonder 99% of TPM clergy engage in sexual immorality. When they fall into one such act, then they are transferred and their act of immorality is covered. Therefore Paul gave explicit instruction in I Timothy 3 about marriage of clergy lass who are supposed to Pastor a local church.




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        2. The order of Melchizedek means no generation. Jesus never had any generation. If one submits his entire life into the hands of the lord, he becomes the property of God for the sake of the lord, thus for them no generation to bear their name. I think you have the spirit of Satan who always tell wrong things and condem the children of god and tell stories with fake names. Our ministers never stayed with unmarried women, if you refer it the faith home, it’s not the place for such things which you may please note. If you Feel happy to proclaim such fake news God can only set you right. I mentioned earlier about certain people who have fallen from the grace of god by doing wrong things god never allow them to continue for long time like that, they will be thrown out. They are the ones I mentioned earlier “fallen from grace, not those who leave Tpm.




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        3. Dear Sam,
          You are a victim of TPM indoctrination and is not yet realized that you are duped.
          If Melchizedek is the Holy Spirit as per TPM doctrine, then what was the need of another incarnation of God in flesh?
          TPM has twisted the wordings “Without Father and without Mother” to imply he was divine. It’s not so. It just means we do not have information about his ancestry. This is made clear in Heb 7:6 where the writer says he has a descend or ancestry but that ancestry does not come in the line of Levi.

          Please brother…Get some bit of commonsense. Moreover, as Jesus is the High priest after the order of Melchisedek without a progeny, how come we have a set of white clad frauds claiming to be the High priests after the same order? At any point there is only ONE high priest. In case of Jesus he is the Final and eternal High priest. People can claim to be high priests under the same order only after the death of the previous office bearer. What you guys are doing is an usurping work on the High priestly office of Jesus.
          Repent before it is too late.




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        4. It seems San Daniel is not fully aware of Tpm doctrines. Sam is saying //The order of Melchizedek means no generation. Jesus never had any generation.// He is thus saying that Jesus was of order of Melchizedek , which is contrary to Tpm teachings. Tpm teaches Jesus had father and therefore Jesus is not Melchizedek. Tpm therefore concludes that Holy Spirit was Melchizedek. This is sufficient proof Sam Daniel has no accurate knowledge of what Tpm teaches.




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        5. Then what about married ministers who had gone for TPM ministry,what about their generation?Jesus only is the chief priest after the order of Melchizedek.




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        6. @sam Daniel ..so as per yours and your church’s logic , if suddenly everyone in this planet wants to “serve the Lord” , then the human race would stop within one generation coz they can’t procreate anymore ?? What kind of God do you serve who seems so desperate for human attention/slavery/dedication that he doesn’t want them to even forsake their parents, Wife etc .. You guys pls use your (God given) brain and think …

          that being said , every organization has its rules ; however crazy it seems …if someone doesn’t want to adhere to that they have the choice to leave …I pity those who can’t leave because of societal or family reasons …

          In the end it’s all down to what one really wants …this blog maybe successful to ruffle a lot of feathers, but does it really matter ?? Do you guys think your God is such a saddist that He would torture lots of people forever for following faithfully the teachings into which they were born into or led into because of their varying circumstances….Grow up people.. I hope your God is much bigger than that




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        7. Dear Brother…

          We all know Our God is bigger than our Imaginations…

          Anyone who sees a baby getting near the Fire…will try to save the baby first…next he will educate the baby about fire and its consequences…

          Explaining the consequences of Fire seems cruel or sadistic but unless he tells the Truth about the Fire…

          Baby will not able to understand the seriousness of playing with Fire…

          We are very quick to judge anyone who speaks harsh words as arrogant and evil… because we watch words not heart…

          God’s judgement seems to be Harsh and Cruel…but if you know God and understand His Heart… You will actually delight in the Judgement of God…

          Message of God to Nineveh(most wicked city in those days) through Jonah the prophet is this Jonah 1:2 Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”

          Look at the words of God…you will never find Mercy or Grace or Love…
          You will find judgement of God as Harsh it cruel…

          But do you know the Heart of God towards Nineveh??
          Listen God’s heart Jonah 4 : 10But the Lord said, “You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight. 11And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”

          Since Jonah knew the Heart of God he flew away from Nineveh…
          Listen his very own Words to God
          Jonah 4 : 2He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.

          Unless you know God you will not be able to know the intention of His Words…




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        8. Dear IDC,

          I can understand your frustration – please correct me if this is not the case – with man-made rules that have no good purpose and lead to man’s hurt.
          Any religious system that is manipulated and man-made, man-directed, man-centered, and man-glorifying will bear fleshly fruits that lead to destruction. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption.
          This is being seen in TPM.

          You have said, “In the end it’s all down to what one really wants”.
          Thankfully, as individuals we DO have power to make personal choices. We have power to make friends and depart from friends. We have power to leave disobedient churches of God and find a church that honors God and preaches his word faithfully.
          This site will be a friend to those who need a helping-hand.
          God is love.
          Jesus, God’s Son, came down from heaven to seek and to save the lost and to destroy the works of the devil.
          He came to set at liberty them that are bruised, to heal the broken-hearted, to deliver the captives, to give sight to the blind.
          He took on flesh and blood so that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

          Wherefore in all things it behoved him, Jesus, to be made like unto his brethren, that he, Jesus Christ, might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

          For in that he, Jesus, himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

          Jesus is the Apostle and High Priest of our profession. (Heb 3:1)
          Call to him and he will answer you. Ask of him and it shall be given unto you, seek him and you will find him, knock and the door will be opened to you.

          Jesus says: Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. John 15:15

          May the word of God bless your heart with faith in believing on Jesus, whom God has sent into this world, to proclaim unto you the gospel of your salvation, and that you shall receive the gift of everlasting life in him.

          God bless you.




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        9. You seems like you didn’t understand what I was trying to say …
          I was saying in essence that the God doesn’t seem to be as sadistic as to put a baby into a lake of fire for eternity for playing with Toy 1 vs Toy 2…vs Toy n …when God himself put all those toys with the baby in the first place …once again I am dragging you guys Into the same old problem ..and I don’t want to do that anymore ..as I quoted , let each of our individual faiths save us..I back off in peace …




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        10. @IDC @choice of God to let the toys..

          I do not know whether you believe in God or do not believe in him.
          1) if you do not believe in God , then I do not think it is honest wise conclusion. Such conclusions are more emotional oriented being rooted in dilemma over pain n suffering in world and being shocked by Orthodox religious mindset, & finding their support in materialistic view of physics. Such a conclusion denies even possibility of existence of supernatural, metaphysical object/substance and becomes ardent that it is impossible for any such things to exists.

          2) if you believe in God (not necessarily a Christian one) , – a transcendental being; beyond material world, all powerful, much wise etc, then one possibility must be considered that it is not necessary that his views/opinions on certain things must necessarily coincide with your and mine view. On certain things many people may agree that something is right but it is not necessary that all will agree on all things to be it in the same way unless we all have unity of mind. Each being is independently able to reason out for himself what is right or wrong/ profitable unprofitable/ good or evil, etc according to his own perspectives on those things.

          A murder is generally assumed evil, but under some circumstances, killing of terrorist is considered a better choice compared to allow him to continue to live and kill others. The point is that comparative circumstances reveal what is good and evil, rather than fixed definition of good and evil. Imagine if we were incapable to understand the reason why government ordered capital punishment for a terrorist, then we will end up in blaming government as murderous. So the whole point is that being unaware of the reason why some transcendent being considers something as conflicting to what we think as good, it is wrong to blame him. It is not necessary that our perspective will always be right, even if don’t know the perspective of that being.

          Nobody knows the reason why God thinks something as good what we consider as evil from our perspective. Nowhere is it revealed in scripture why he kept the toys in the first place.

          The problem with atheist mindset is that they arrogantly assume that there cannot be a better perspective than theirs, if they have no clue as answer to why . So they come to conclusion without giving place to possibility of something being good is possible, and they ardently become rigid that they are right. Which is a foolish decision considering their capability to really think on matters and then limiting the depths to which they can dig.

          The nice thing about religious mindset is that they are flexible and assume that even if we cannot figure out why, the possibility exists that our views may be wrong and God’s reasoning may be right in his choice of letting the things he lets it to be, right from the moment he began.




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        11. Kindly argue not by saying that even a Mohammedan terrorist can use the same argument. Using of any argument by someone else in different context does not negate the argument itself. To negate the Muslims or Christian or any other worldview you have to consider the whole summation of their worldview. Do you think that Christians or perhaps this website owners will support the claim of chief pastor or any other prophet if he kills another pastor or any other prophet by saying God asked me to kill him? Off course not! We would argue by saying God doesn’t say that.. We would try to refute his claim from scriptures using context if he dares to use any old testament text to support his claim concerning murder of fellow being. Therefore kindly do not use Ex_b’s reasonings.

          My argument is used in context of “why toy in the first place was kept in the original set created in the origin of things” – an action of God, (rather than human the created beings), which in elsewhere part of Scripture in another context is defended by moral corruption of Canaanites which longsuffering God patiently waited for hundred years before punishing them.

          Therefore negative mindset without an heart to understand and sort out the matter without taking in the contexts of things will lead into arrogant atheistic worldview.




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        12. As I said, to negate a worldview you need to come to summation of entire worldview and compare it with another and check if it is meaningful or not. If I am to be asked about my views on a Muslim religion (which perhaps might be your argument to nullify my argument) then I do find few Muslims around me who say killing is haram or allah does not ask to kill someone, compared to jihadists view of mass murdering those who do not obey their worldview. Now if I assume that the sensible Muslims are right then in order to conclude my opinion on their worldview, I will have to try to understand the summation of their worldview.

          Ultimately the whole world view of any religion sums up in the solution it offers to ultimate problem of pain in world. A muslim remedy of redemption is balance of good and evil works done by a man, in such a way that if his overall good actions weight more than his evil deeds then allah will grant him heaven – a place free from pain or a place of eternal happiness. If that be so then I may ask what guarantee is there that persons entering in Muslim version of heaven will not fight or kill or rob or rape someone in future heaven? This is karmic redemption theory which I find unconvincing because it fails to identify the problem itself in the first place and the solution fails to give guarantee of future which will be devoid of pain. Therefore i reject this worldview, not just because few fanatics have misused the religion, but because the summation or the core remedy offered is unconvincing.

          According to me, in Christianity the problem is correctly identified in separation of humanity from God by gaining kingship or godship, creating multiple gods (gen 3:5) and enmity with each other is the result of that individuality -the selfs. Clashes of view of each one with respect to other is root reason of evil, hurt and sufferings which we create for other beings in our societies.

          So Christianity worldview summs up its ideology by saying karma/actions/ right and wrong in accordance with law is no guarantee of future peace. It says by works of law shall no flesh be justified in his presence. There is no guarantee that a person who has been good for 100 years will not kill or rape or murder or create nuisance in future if a situation is to come where he might be forced to do so. The only guarantee for future peaceful environment is unity in thoughts and mind, where individuality is brought in unity under supreme wise being. That is what Christianity offers as remedy and solution by reconciling world in Christ Jesus to God, – by bringing all in unity of mind and thoughts.

          If you create a robot with artificial intelligence and induce in it artificial hormones, and artificial ability for him to reproduce himself, so that there is no difference between you and him, (in your likeness and image) and then let him loose/independent to let him decide what is good and evil or right and wrong for himself, then he might end up in a situation where his choice might conflict with your choice bringing enmity between you and him. Assume he falls in love with your wife and wants her. What if there are multiple humanoids like him each fully independent of your control. They will make havoc in your world if their choices or independently taken decisions conflict with yours. The only solution in such a case would be to bring them under your control so that you could program and give interrupts and signals to control the choices they make. This is what Christianity says that world is full of independent robots made in likeness and image of God, capable to choose good and evil defined by their own processors. Hence it says the world is full of thorns and thistles (Gen 3:18). God has given laws external to these robots in books of scripture for robots to maintain law and order in society. But as long as they remain independent, there is no guarantee in how they will use their power granted to them. Therefore by good works done in accordance to law they cannot be made to inherit a future planned peaceful world. Only those united under authority of Central supercomputer all wise and all powerful can maintain law order and peace because they will be united and in under reconciled state.

          Therefore sum of worldview of Christianity, which identifies problem correctly and provides solution correctly seems right to me. Therefore i reject muslim world view or any other karmic redemptive worldview based not on the abuses of their followers but based on the their core worldview seeming unconvincing to me.

          An atheist world view is just negativity on everything. It has no understanding of problem neither it has any solution. Neither it considers possibility of what if there is life after death? What if there is a judgement day and future promise of a world free from pain. It arrogantly assumes their exists no such possibility. It therefore is not a wise decision in trying to be extra smart and over confident.




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        13. Dear Readers,

          I honestly find the so called human philosophies and their Human law book ambiguous and silly…

          They will simply ask why God created toys (Fire,Snake,etc) knowing that it will harm His children …
          Moreover God’s law is barbaric because it says if you disobey his laws you will be judged to hell…

          Lets see how they are ardently follow human law…will reveal their hypocrisy and double standard walk

          what about Benjamin Franklin who invented Electricity…
          Lots of people around are electrocuted to death every day…
          Is he so evil or sadist to have invented terrible things…??
          Benjamin not only invented Electricity but also gave us the laws of Electricity…
          In that law he is stating you should touch or play with Electricity…
          How barbarious is the law…
          He even says if i touch the Electricity by mere disobedience my life would taken off…
          How can he write such a terrible and sadistic law for a mere disobedience or a simple playful …my life would be paid as cost…

          Who needs to Grow up???

          Dont you know who is childish and need an enlightenment…??

          God never said or punished an ignorant sinner…

          The very reason God gave us the law is to bring the awareness of Sin and its consequences…Power of Sin and wages of Sin which is death…

          Galatians 3:15
          Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

          19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

          21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

          23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

          26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

          What about the people who never know about Jesus Christ and salvation by Faith…
          Bible clearly answers in Romans 2 : 14
          Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. 16And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life.

          These so called Human philosophers not ready to repent and follow the rules of God…

          God never judges the innocent…In fact No one is innocent of his sinful life..

          Christian is aware of Sin in him through God’s law

          Non-Christian is aware of Sin through His conscience

          Romans 2 : 5But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6He will judge everyone according to what they have done.

          See for yourself ..How God introduces HIMSELF to Moses in Exodus 34 : 6 “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished;

          I love this very True Holy Living God and Bow before His Holy Commands…Like David
          Psalms 33:1Sing joyfully to the Lord, you righteous;
          it is fitting for the upright to praise him.

          Glory,Honour ,Power and Praise only be to God …Amen




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        14. @BIC, yes I am the Ex_b, changed the name to IDC coz ‘ I don’t care’ anymore. Yes I did grow up in TPM. Looking back, it had both its advantages and disadvantages in my life. If I should believe in God’s sovereignity, I should also believe that all of that happened for his divine purpose, whatever that is. Even before this site was up, I was struggling very hard in my spirit about my early life as a devout (TPM going) christian. This site helped churn up some of the deep frustrations I’ve been keeping to myself. It was a mixture of relief and anger filled frustration as I read through all of the posts and the comments. At the end of it all, I’ve decided to let it all go and move forward. I am thankful to God for this life’s journey and every experience including my TPM life. Last few months have been mostly very negative as my mind was trying to process it all, but (hopefully) at the end of it all, I feel totally healed in my mind.

          Now that I am healed, I don’t want to go back to the same junk of religious debate again. My God-given life is too short to waste away in negativity. I am training my mind to reduce the number of visits to this site (my goal is to stop, but it’s so damn hard).I might or might not come back, but thanks to everyone here. It was a very interesting last couple of months. All the best to everyone as y’all tread your own life’s journey. May it be mostly happy. God bless y’all…

          Before I leave, I also want to mildly apologize to anyone who I’ve hurt by any of my words here. Mildly, because it was never intentional nor mean-spirited. Also if any of your beliefs were jolted by many of my “atheist-sounding” sentences scattered amongst different comment sections in this blog, I am not apologizing , rather I am glad that I might have triggered a process of better understanding spirituality as against the shallow, naive ‘I grew up like this, hence I believe this’ faith of yours..either way, all the best..good work admin ..

          And on a very jolly note, pls Mr. Cognizance don’t post a very lengthy, Bible verse packed reply to this..:)




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        15. Dear Brother,

          Sorry i cant help but to quoted few verses which ran through my mind while i was reading your post…

          Psalm 139:7-12

          7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
          Where can I flee from your presence?
          8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
          if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
          9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
          if I settle on the far side of the sea,
          10 even there your hand will guide me,
          your right hand will hold me fast.
          11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me
          and the light become night around me,”
          12 even the darkness will not be dark to you;
          the night will shine like the day,
          for darkness is as light to you.

          Isaiah 65:1
          “I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me; I was found by those who did not seek me. To a nation that did not call on my name, I said, ‘Here am I, here am I.’

          Isaiah 53:10
          will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

          Finally,

          Numbers 6:24-26

          24 “The Lord bless you and keep you;
          25 The Lord make His face shine upon you,
          And be gracious to you;
          26 The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
          And give you peace.”’




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        16. Brother
          What you are explaining here is TPM doctrines which we are well aware of. Did you note that your explanation did not have any scriptural support?
          This is because it is a Man made doctrine.
          In case you need to know what is wrong with this TPM interpretation, please click here




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    4. Bro Sam Daniel
      You said,
      // That doesn’t mean Tpm and its teachings are wrong. //

      Prove me Tpm is right on following.
      1) Seven steps of salvation..
      2) Gospel of sinnless perfection
      3) TPM tarrying meetings
      4) Doctrine of tpm clergies being high priest bearing sins of believers: Order of Melchizedek
      5) Rules Regulations imposed by TPM..




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      1. Pls be very careful when you judge servants of god..
        god is the final judge
        The right thing to do is leave the judgment to god. When are passing judgments on the basis of what we heard. And everything we hear maybe not be the truth. But the right thing for us to do is pray that god may reveal the truth and take the place of judges. We will have to give account for every idle word on the day of judgment .




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        1. Yes Sister Sue, you are right we should not judge anyone especially servants of God.

          No one is judging anyone but highlighting the difference between Christianity and a cult named TPM/NCPC/NTC/UPC.

          If a Christian does not do this, who else will?




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  12. Dear Sam
    You have determined in your mind to think that TPM is the only church therefore, nothing will appear good to you. It’s a fact that Jesus did not marry & that’s not the only thing He did, He did many more things. Jesus did not stay in any house with unmarried women, but your saints prefer to live with unmarried women. Jesus never said any lie but your saints are very good in that. Jesus didn’t show the difference of poor & rich but your saints have different treatment towards people with different status.Jesus never desired to be ministered unto rather he ministered others. But your saints want assistance even to carry their BIBLE. Therefore don’t think that celibacy was the only sublime quality of Jesus. And remember one thing that not our outward consecrations but love is the most important thing God desires from every one. TPM saints have enough time & love to shower on rich people but for poor they have no time & no love. Apostle Paul made it very clear in I Corinthians 13:1-3 & let’s look at verse 3, “And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor (TPM never practice), and though I give my body to be burned (perhaps celibacy), and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.”




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    1. The order of Melchizedek means no generation. Jesus never had any generation. If one submits his entire life into the hands of the lord, he becomes the property of God for the sake of the lord, thus for them no generation to bear their name. I think you have the spirit of Satan who always tell wrong things and condem the children of god and tell stories with fake names. Our ministers never stayed with unmarried women, if you refer it the faith home, it’s not the place for such things which you may please note. If you Feel happy to proclaim such fake news God can only set you right. I mentioned earlier about certain people who have fallen from the grace of god by doing wrong things god never allow them to continue for long time like that, they will be thrown out. They are the ones I mentioned earlier “fallen from grace, not those who leave Tpm.




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      1. To hold on to the understanding that One Church is better than the other and more so to assume that it is the only church, smells of heresy.
        This would mean that there was no church that would have been acceptable to God from the time of the Early Church to the formation of the TPM/CPM is it? Is this not a case of pride that is being discussed here? How is it that one can exalt ones church above that of the other?
        There may be some very fundamental teachings that may be followed. These teaching were also followed by many of the Pentecostal Churches until not so long ago. For example the Assemblies of God taught Divine healing, Faith Life, wearing of jewellery etc. Even separation was practised not enforced. There are many pastors (off different churches) who never married as that was their calling.
        Celibacy is one that is by calling and not enforced. If we are to enforced celibacy… that would become the creation of a CULT. Along with this comes self exaltation…which we need to be very vary of.
        Did not the disciples go to their homes too whilst they were with Jesus. They may have “forsaken all” but still had to manage their families. If this was not the case, Peter would not had a visitation from Jesus to his home, when his wife was sick.
        No one needs to glorify celibacy neither condemn it. We need to rejoice in the fact that there are those who are willing to forsake all so that they can devote 100% towards fulfilling their calling and abiding in the Lord and live a life of faith and not one of extravagance.
        That life of faith and simplicity needs to be found (not just in attire alone) but in the manner in which the funds are spent. There has to be equality right throughout all churches…in any denomination.




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  13. Dear Sam,
    In addition to the exegesis of Brother Anthony, JESUS was crucified and rose again on the 3rd day. Same way crucify one of your most holy saints let us see what happens on the third day?

    Jesus didn’t marry because all the people in this universe are his children. No sensible individual can think of getting marry with their own child.




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    1. Brother,

      Is it true (honest question) that Pastor M.T Thomas at Coimbatore also said ‘Father forgive him…’ when he was attacked by a junior worker?

      Since I was not with TPM then, I could not get first hand info.




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  14. Dear Sam
    When Jesus started choosing the disciples, he chose the married people. Do you think that, Jesus had no option because there was no unmarried people at that time? Of course there were but still Jesus chose the married ones. If celibacy was the criterion to serve God then Jesus shouldn’t have chosen Peter & other married disciples. Jesus being the wisdom of God knew it well that in the last days TPM, RC & other such groups would come up to forbid marriage in the name of consecration. Perhaps for this reason Jesus chose the married ones to prove that celibacy is not the measuring unit to judge someone the best. People in TPM need to come out of its narrow mentality.




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  15. “When the wine ran out Jesus mother told him,they have no wine” This is enough for Roman catholics to prove intercession through Mary.Likewise quoting verses out of context TPM make their own doctrines.In the garden if Eden,before the fall of man God himself instituted marriage.There are so many children of God who sacrifice their lives for Jesus and suffer many hardships for the kingdom of God.Then how can you proclaim celibacy is the greatest qualification before God. If you remain celibate for God’ work it s a good thing.But you cannot establish it as a doctrine, and compel others for the same.




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  16. Brother Sam,
    All the doctrines and attitude of TPM saints are absolutely against BIBLE and JESUS. Almost all of your saints are frauds.
    You may be knowing that tons of contraceptives have flushed out along with the body of Sister Ammini at Kottarakkara Faith Home. From where all these contraceptives have come there? Who was using it? Any sensible man can understand. It is not a Rocket Science.
    One saint from Mandoor have been transferred to Trissur recently. Do you know the reason? He spoiled the family life of a lady having 2 grown up children. Ask someone at Mandoor faith home, you can come to know.
    One believer was impregnated by an elder at Coimbatore faith home recently, she is in a care center now.
    Mumbai center pastor Unis needs goat brain in every meal. Another mumbai centre pastor (Menon who is no more) was fond of beef. If in any meal beef is missing he used make the entire dish to smithereens.

    Recently one center pastor was preaching in a convention. He said if we have unity deeper truths will be revealed. I was so baffled to hear that. Immediately my memory went to the quarrel between Paul and Barnabas over the issue of Mark. These people were not having the deeper truths.

    On another occasion one pastor said “Holy Spirit is the garment of the church”. From these people are getting these information, definitely not from Bible.

    Brother read the bible without tpm lens, then holy spirit will guide you perfectly. No saint worship and faith home worship will take you to heaven, there is only one way, ie,JESUS.
    If these people are so sincere why nobody gets audited account details? BRAINWASHED …..




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  17. Dear Sam
    Who cares whether you believe or not the truths we are bringing to light through this site. I know that even if Jesus came and told you all what we are bringing in light, you won’t believe them too. Another thing I want to know is that, did God give you the authority to send us to hell fire? Even Michael the archangel did not take the onus to tell the devil to go to hell fire. I hope you know the verse in Jude 9. In fact this is the tendency of the TPMites to curse others when they fail to give the right answer. I think that’s also the part of your deeper truth & consecration.




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  18. Dear Sam
    I don’t find any fun to present some fabricated stories on the site. You are just beating around the bush without any solid material. Moreover your frustration is very much evident by the words you are using now like, “you go to he’ll fire” & “you have the spirit of Satan”. I think you have become greater than Jesus; no doubt if you do because your organization also does the same. Jesus also did not tell James & John that you have the spirit of Satan. In Luke 9:55 Jesus told them, ” you know not what manner of spirit you are of?” I think no pro-fromtpm have used such words. Nath by mistake used a term “nut” but soon he realized & asked pardon. My dear Sam your words are proving that you are the product of a wrong system. Please repent for that.




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  19. Dear admin and all others please visit the website named totpmwithlove.com.You can understand more things. Difference between the ministry in India and western countries.It is written that there in TPM ,married couples do ministry staying together.Then why it is not allowed in India?please read.




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    1. Dear Ruby
      We know these facts very well. We also know that these married couples will get only an exalted position in New Jerusalem but not the prime Zion, as per TPM doctrines. Therefore they ask these married couples to live without any sex to achieve Zion.
      Their religion is very much based on the sex act and has nothing to do with real spirituality. Perverted religion.




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      1. The website named totpmwithlove.com is set up by a brother named David Paul.He was once an active member of TPM.In that blog he writes about how he understood many of the teachings of TPM are erroneous. He was the in charge of the magazine ‘Voice of pentecost’.He has added excerpts from letters he had written to late pastor Michael Thomas and his replies.In that letter it is written that believers who take medicine are allowed in the Lord’s table in the Americas.And about ministers and their families,there are seven children who were born in the faithhomes itself.




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        1. Sadly many people do not know how the chameleon changes the color when they leave the shores of India. Their doctrines can be tuned according to the circumstances.




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        2. Ruby, most of us are well aware of totpmwithlove website. I’m overseas too, most of the TPM “deeper truths” become shallower with the money pumped in. In our TPM centre 70-80% of them take medicine but communion is given to all because of the “mighty dollar tithe”. Everything is compromised for money..just one example – one of the richest millionaire in our centre faith home, his son plays music in our church. He was caught smoking, drinking, loitering with girls many times by our believers. Twice, I myself caught him in a drunken state. When it was taken to pastor he stopped him from playing music for sunday worship for a month because of believers questioning… Again they allowed to minister in church..same week he was caught drunken in college, this goes on and on but even now he ministers in church because their family pump in so much of money and food to our faith home. I can give many examples like that. I have attended so many denomination churches in many countries. I can tell you with all sincerity that there is not a blatant hypocritical church like TPM.




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  20. Dear Sam
    You haven’t given a satisfactory answer to any of my five questioned but, you cursed me. I have no regrets because every tree shall be known by it’s fruit. May the living God forgive you. One of my questions was, is it right not to allow the TPM ministers to do the needful duty to the parents? I assume you answered that once someone surrrenders to the Lord according to the order of Melchizedec, he/she becomes the property of God & they have no connection whatsoever with family. Instead of seeing the scriptures in its widest form if you keep seeing it from TPM perspective, no doubt you will go haywire in your interpretation.
    Though you didn’t accept the right interpretation from admin,Nath & Richard yet, I want to add some more with that. First of all your knowledge about the word “DISCIPLES” as the full time God’s servant is wrong. “Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on Him, if you continue in my word then ye are my disciples indeed (John 8:31)”. Do you think Jesus told this to the twelve he had chosen to be with him? No! So wherever the word “DISCIPLE” is used it’s used for everyone who believes in him & keep his words. Now let me connect it with Luke 14:26,33 which the TPM has twisted to suit what they believe. Here hating or forsaking doesn’t mean to desert them completely & to avoid the duties toward them. You know that during the days of Jesus it was not very easy for anyone to accept Jesus or baptism. If anyone should do that he/she may have had to face the irk of the family. In such cases one should have to deny the family member for the sake of Jesus. In this context Jesus said both Luke 14:26 & Mathew 10:35. So denying the family members to follow Jesus doesn’t mean to throw away the father, mother, etc. & be relieved from the duties toward them. That’s the reason Jesus rebuked the Saducees & Pharisees in Mathew 15:5,6 “but ye say, whosoever shall say to his father and mother, it is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightiest be profited by me; and honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” Don’t you think this is what you practice in TPM? How can you say that your doctrines are biblical? If you say, it means you are humiliating Jesus & His teachings.




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    1. In reality servants of God in TPM love their family members very much.They have always a burden about their family members and they are worried about them .You can see many of them borrow phones from believers to call their dear ones.Many sisters have borrowed my phone to make calls.I don’t think it as a fault.They are human beings with emotions.It is natural to love their family people.So ‘hating their family members is not a real thing’.They want their family members to visit them and to give money to all other ministers in charge in the respective faith homes.It is a matter of prestige for them.




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  21. Gen: 2:18-24
    18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20 And Adam gave names to all cattle and to the fowl of the air and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him.
    The Creation of Woman
    21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
    23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
    24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
    ****The above verses clearly explain the LORD God is the author of the sacred relationship called Marriage. Or the LORD God performed the first marriage on Earth.
    1 Corinthians: 7:7 I(Paul) wish that all of you were as I am. Many TPMites consider this verse for not marrying where at Verse 25 Paul clearly states I have NO command from the LORD.
    Who is Greater and who should you obey? Is the LORD God or Apostle Paul?




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  22. Dear Ruby
    What you have said is cent per cent right. I have seen many sisters borrow mobile from their known believers to make calls & speak for long durations. The saints who emphasize to deny the family members never deny their money. Some centre pastors, Centre mothers and local in charge ministers tell the ministers under them to bring some fix amount when they are sent to conventions or home. It’s really a shameful thing.




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    1. Brother IDC,

      “FAITH Hearsay” article states
      //Someone told you about them, and you may have learned more by reading about them in the Bible and other books. This is what our courts call hearsay evidence, which can be defined as “evidence based not on a witness’ personal knowledge but on another’s statement.”//

      How about Darwin’s theory of evolution?
      Has it been proved in personal knowledge??
      What is science ? How would you gain knowledge on science?
      Is it not the writings some unknown men??
      We all know through many inventions of scientists have been disproved by other scientists time and again which instigates ambiguity in Science…
      Many hundred years it was believed Pluto to be a ninth planet Now it is discovered to be not a planed disproving the previous discovery…

      Science that we know are laws,rules,postulates,statements and theories written by Men and Women lived in different times of age…

      How would you authenticate their statements…? How would you believe their photographs??It might be morphed ??

      Come on Brother… You have no doubt in believing men who writes science book…
      But you are questioning our belief on Truth written by Men through the inspiration of Holy Spirit God(3 Timothy 3:16 Every scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness)

      //Neither god nor Jesus has ever shown himself to you directly in an unambiguous way. //

      How author came to the conclusion that God or Jesus never Shown HIMSELF to the believers …
      Personally i have been given unambiguous encounter with the Living GOD the Creator of Heaven and Earth…
      Our God LIVES….He reveals Himself to the one who seeks HIM…
      In fact God already revealed Himself to Whole world in JESUS…
      The same JESUS speaks and guides us even today…

      We are not called to obey some instructions like Muslims following their prophet mohammed…

      See for yourself what Jesus said…
      John 14:23
      Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

      //You may argue that you have a “relationship” with Jesus. But how does one have a relationship with a being who has never acknowledged your existence? Have you actually seen him? Has he talked to you or left you a phone message? //

      How come author belives there are other planets jupiter,mars,venus…has he seen those planets…How come believes the pictures from Nasa…Before Issac newton given a Name as “Gravitational Force” the Force to attract every objects to earth was seen as Magic (unexplainable phenomenon)

      Secondly..
      How author decided that Jesus never spoke with anyone…
      It is like a Blind person argues the non existence of Colours to a person with vision…
      Personally, not for the sake of arguement but honestly Jesus speaks to me…

      //And what do you really know about these Bible writers and the quality of their testimony? Can you be sure that they weren’t just drunk or eating mushrooms, or schizophrenic, prone to epileptic visions, delusional, or simply con men seeking power and influence? Do you really know for sure? How could you?//

      My response
      And what do you really know about these “Scientific” writers and the quality of their testimony? Can you be sure that they weren’t just drunk or eating mushrooms, or schizophrenic, prone to epileptic visions, delusional, or simply con men seeking power and influence? Do you really know for sure? How could you?

      Dear Brother…Faith as God taught us in the Bible
      FAITH – Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.(Hebrews 11:1)

      For we live by faith, not by sight.(2 Corinthians 5:7)

      while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.(2 Corinthians 4:18)

      By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.(Hebrews 11:3)

      It is impossible with science and human to make a person live 900 years,Giant creatures,other wonders mentioned in the Bible…But nothing impossible with God whom we worship

      Luke 18:27 Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”

      Why do we believe Bible??

      Answer: Because it is God inspired/breathed…Bible is authored by God and written by Human…(2 Tim 3:16,2 Peter 1:21)

      Why do we need to believe the Bible writers(Disciples/prophets)??

      Answers: because there are God called,God qualified,God equipped and God sent

      Romans 8:30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

      Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

      Matthew 10:40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

      John 17 : 18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

      Jesus Prays for All Believers
      20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

      God is building His Church on the foundation of apostles and prophets
      Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

      Concerning Faith ,

      For all believers are called to contend for their Faith as paul did 2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

      We have to preserve the Faith which was handed down to us by Our God…
      For He is the author and finisher of our Faith…

      1 Timothy 1: 18 I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, 19holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.

      For Our own Saviour warned us by saying many will give away their in last days…

      Luke 18 : 8 However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

      As Christians who are Believers of God and His word…we contend for our Faith…




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      1. @ believer in Christ ..God bless you too fellow Human being

        @cognizance …”thou faith has saved thee, now go in peace ” luke 7 50




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      2. Dear Brothers….

        Actually i have to confess onething honestly concerning brother Ex_b alias IDC’S ATHIESTIC view on God’s Law..

        In fact his opposing comments on God’s law brought me more closer to God and His wisdom in bringing Law among us…Brother IDC is indeed a blessing not only to me but also to my fellow brothers…God enlightened us of more of His Gracious Wonderful Amazing WISDOM in giving the Law followed by sending His Son to save us (Galatians 3)

        I am being honest here not a statement of sarcasm…

        There is a purpose for brother IDC to go through this phase of life i believe…For we serve a God who does everything beautiful in His Time…He turns out evil to be Good…

        Glory be to GOD ALONE….




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  23. Dear IDC,
    Yes, in this world there are those without faith in God. But here is the precious truth of the matter that everything has a purpose with God.

    Take life and death for example. You and me are alive now. But one day we shall die. Now concerning the resurrection of the dead the Bible says this –

    If Christ be not risen then is our preaching vain and your faith is also vain. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

    But now is Christ risen from the dead and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
    For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
    Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor 15)

    Do you have an appointment book? God has one and it’s called the book of life. Our names get written in the book of life when we call on Jesus for forgiveness of our sins and receive Jesus by faith as our Saviour (Rom 10:9-10).

    God’s appointment –
    And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    God bless you.




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  24. Brother IDC,
    I have been enjoying your comments because I always felt you had some harsh wounds in the mind from TPM hierarchy. Finally I thank God for clearing your frustration to an extend through this site.
    Please don’t leave, continue to comment and elaborate your frustration so that some others may get some relief. MAY GOD BLESS YOU.




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    1. To IDC, There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 1 Cor 14:10
      Without doubt there shall be benefits from your words expressed here IDC – (just a little question and I mean it very well towards you because of your insightful last post, Would you consider another name-change now?) – It is God’s intention that we all speak the same things, (1 Cor 1:10) being moved by the one same Spirit of God, so that we all shall be edified in true faith and accomplish the work of Christ in this world. Our different journeys show us that nothing can hinder God’s work of grace and the enabling power of the Holy Spirit, but God requires a voice to speak.
      So, IDC may God by his word and Spirit give you a very real and abiding fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ the Lord, and fellowship with these brethren.
      May God encourage you more and more by faith in Jesus’ name… Acts 3:16
      With christian love.




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    1. Brother Albert,

      Book of Isaiah is known as “Fifth Gospel” in theological circle. Many passages in it are Messianic. Isaiah 56 is one of them. Isaiah 56 is spoken in background of Mosaic laws about eunuchs, foreigners/gentiles and few other groups who were prohibited from entering sanctuary of God (see Lev 21:19,20, Numb 1:51, Deut 23:1-3). All these prohibited ones can be aliased as “OUTCAST ONES.” With this background in mind, Isaiah 56 is kind of a gospel news for such outcast ones (Isaiah 56:8). Isaiah 56 has nothing to do with celibacy. Do not much focus on word eunuch independently from the entire passage. Take every word, verse in consideration. Otherwise you will end up in relating eunuch to celibacy and keep arguing with someone to prove your point of focus.




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