We have tried our best to highlight the doctrinal and false teaching issues of TPM and will continue to do so. However, we think the average TPM believer will never be shaken out of their slumber till we give them some shock treatments. They love the life of hypocrisy and have gotten comfortable with the TPM setup. The TPM Leadership and its machinery have been successful in the past in their cover-up of abominable things. Now it’s time they realize that their time is up.
“And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.” Jeremiah 19:3
Surely no fear of God in this place
Righteous God has started to bring the hypocrisy of TPM in public. See, how one scam after another are coming out. In 2016 October it was the murder case of Pastor Kanagaraj, a few days back it was the Sodomy of Pastor Sunny George and now another incident at Baramati (Mumbai Centre). We can see how the verse above is being fulfilled. My purpose of highlighting this incident is not to tarnish the image of any individual but, to create an awareness that, how unbiblical tithes & offerings of the poor believers are being misused and how the fear of God has disappeared from TPM Ministers.
“…..There is surely no fear of God in this place….” Genesis 20:11
Brother Joshua Issue
Brother Joshua who is now under house arrest in TPM Shanthi Nagar(Pune) is the hero of this episode. He was the minister in charge of TPM Baramati till this ear tingling incident happened. Before I proceed further in the episode, I would like to assure the readers that this is not a fabricated story. This particular brother was in Baramati for less than six months. However, within this short period, he befriended some local goons. The incident wouldn’t have come to light, had not Brother Joshua sent the goons to beat one believer of other church. This believer (Baallu) is a Rickshaw driver who did help the TPM workers by picking and dropping them in his vehicle. Fortunately for Baallu owing to his profession, he knew these goons already. Therefore, he was spared the bone-cracking beatings.
When he made inquiries from those goons, they said that Joshua had sent them to deal with him. In fact, this Joshua had told Baallu to provide him the call-girls whenever the faith home sisters would go out. He was promised to be paid Rs 1000/- for this job if he provided the girls. But, he did not oblige to Joshua’s demand. We understand that Baallu not only refused to do that job but he even informed this to the mother in charge (Grace Masih). This action of Baallu infuriated the culprit. Therefore, he sent those goons to handle him. We hope that the believers think 10 times before they part with their hard earned money. It’s better to throw it away to dogs than give it to these miserable men and woman in white.
After coming to know from the goons that, they were sent by Joshua (TPM minister), both Baallu & his wife Kalpana went to TPM church to settle the score. Following are the things that happened in the TPM Faith Home.
When they reached there, Joshua was still found in a drunk state and Kalpana told Grace Masih that, he is drunk. But she denied & said that he was not drunk. Then Kalpana demanded her to smell his breath following which the mother(Grace) went speechless. Now the question arises, why Grace Masih was trying to cover it up? I think that even she was a part of the business & sometimes satisfied his lustful demands. There are reasons to suspect her. Just because she is a white-clad lady it doesn’t mean that she is washed in milk and purified. If you turn the pages of her history, you would find that she has played dirty games with some daylight saints. Years back she had relation with one Daniel Raj (ex-TPM). Again a few years back she was involved in filthy things with Uday Kumar (incumbent minister of TPM Shanthi Nagar, Maharashtra). After doing all these dirty things they pretend to be Holy Saints & fool the foolish people.
Coming back to the point, when Baallu & Kalpana went to TPM church, they not only found Joshua drunk but liquor bottles, cigarette packets & condoms were found in his room. Why does a celibate need condoms? The story doesn’t end here; he had the habit of going to hotels to eat & drink with the befriended goons. One believer sisters’ husband who works in Hotel Sudit in Baramati has seen this Joshua eating & drinking with those goons. Can you imagine such things being done in so-called House of God by the Zion bound soldiers? These are only a few of many dead works being practiced by such deceptive people. Many dead corpses have already been buried in a suspicious state without any postmortem.
Conclusion
Dear reader,
I again repeat my previous confession that these things are not being done with some selfish motives but to make you realize that, where you are?
TPM Believer, Wake up before it is too late
If ignored again & again, you know what would happen?
I would like to take an incident mentioned in the Gospel of Mark. In chapter 8:22,23 we read about a blind man of Bethsaida was healed by Jesus. Have you ever thought that why Jesus took that man out of that village to heal him? The reason is, even though Jesus did so many wonderful things among them yet, they did not repent. See what did Jesus say in Mathew 11:21 ” Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.” So Jesus knew that even the healing of that man wouldn’t change them therefore, he took the man out of Bethsaida and healed him. Dear reader, especially TPM believers it’s my humble request you to kindly understand the seriousness of the matter. Instead of ignoring such things like blind people, arise with the zeal of God & shun such filthy place which is deceiving you & misusing your money. Otherwise, God would do what Jesus did with Bethsaida and as He healed the blind out of it, so all the filthiness will come out one by one for the world to see.
Pastor Abraham,
Would you like to shut the mouths of your Mumbai Ministers as you did with the Dubai Ministers?
I remember the famous lines by Martin Luther
“If there is a Hell, then Rome is built over it”
I will mention the event for all of you just to remind you the circumstances in which he uttered these famous lines.
Martin Luther was faithful priest of Roman Catholic Church. He was given opportunity to visit Rome. When he caught the first glimpse of the city of 7 hills, he fell to the ground and said: “Holy Rome, I salute thee.” But when he entered Rome and saw luxury and comfort of priest, their banquet and iniquities which prevailed in Rome, he was utterly shocked. Priests told indecent jokes and used awful profanity in the speech. The Papal court was served at supper by twelve naked girls. Having seen gross immorality in the Holy city he left it and uttered these famous lines.
No one can imagine what sins and infamous actions are committed in Rome, they must be seen and heard to be believed. If there is a hell, Rome is built over it’: it is an abyss whence issues every kind of sin.
This aptly fits with TPM. If Hell is there then TPM is built over it. /
This jousa is still continuing in TPM Ministry
Or he left the ministry?
Let me share a testimony with u all..
EVERYDAY LIFE WITH JESUS CHRIST.
APRIL 17.
TOPIC : WHY SHE MISSED IT !?
(SHOCKING INSPIRED STORY )
Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
It was on Saturday night around 11:30Pm , After Deacon Elizabeth finished studying Sunday school manual which she will used the following day in the service, because she was a Sunday school teacher, After praying she slept and had this fearful experience.
She saw herself walking towards a golden heavenly gate, she couldn’t believe what was going on, two angels at the left and two angels at the right of the gate with the golden trumpet in their hands .
As she was approaching the gate they blew the trumpet in their hands with joy then she thought “wow are they rejoicing and blowing the trumpet because of me, what an honor“
As she was thinking her thought was echoing out , but one of the angel replied her ‘’it wasn’t because of you but because of a soul coming behind you“ and the soul entered into the gate .
Elizabeth: What About me ? Am I not recognized here? I am deaconess Elizabeth, The servant and the daughter of the living God, I also deserve some honor with all my services in the church, I slept late in the night every Saturday because I am to teach in the church, and I am always the first person to be in the church despite the fact that I slept very late in the church, with all these are you trying to tell me I don’t deserve any honor?
Angel : Elizabeth we don’t view things here the way human beings view things on earth. Men look at the appearance, passion , zeal and eloquence but we judge the motive behind all this, any zeal , passion and eloquence used with impure motive, with the aim to show, and for self glorification, all this are just muscle exercise and works , services and labour which is sin before God .
Elizabeth you can only deceive your fellow men but here all mask of hypocrisy are unveiled, all deceit are exposed, all eyes service are judge and condemned , all eloquence displayed to show and to bring praise and glory to self and not to the most high God are judge, condemned and their punishment is eternal, for men are only created to glorify Jesus Christ who died for them .
You are a Sunday school teacher but have you not read what the scripture says in “1 Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.
Elizabeth: But sir…………. Angel: You are short of words , are not this true? The most ungrateful generation is your generation, one of us (Lucifer and many others) that sinned were cast out of heaven and they have no grace to repent, the savior didn’t died for them but for you and your generation yet you and your generation abused this grace and chose to live a reckless life; forgetting that one day you will stand at the judgement court: *The Great Beth Din* to face your redeemer.
Elizabeth : Haa of a true I am just hypocrite, I need mercy, please sir help me beg Jesus, he should allow me to enter, I am deeply sorry of all I have done .
Angel : Elizabeth there is no repentance here, several times the Holy Spirit warned you to repent but yet you still speak ill of those who are more anointed and full of grace more than you; you speak to injured their reputation, there are 3 people in the church that you are keeping malice with, and your husband that left you to go after another woman you vow never to forgive him?
Elizabeth: I am guilty , What will be my lot, haa I didn’t plan for this, this should be a dream, haa Elizabeth see your life, there is great danger in hypocrisy and pretence, mercy Lord .
Suddenly a voice came from the city of glory which is the voice of Jesus Christ “Let Her go back and make things right, there is an intercessor pleading for her to come back to life“ .
And the angel said “ Go back!!!’’ and she opened her eyes, she found herself in the church auditorium, she saw the pastors and the prayer warriors pleading for her to come back to life.
Elizabeth repented and forgive her husband and others, she started living a faithful life, and her service given to God with pure motive .
Psalms 44:21 *Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.*
Brethren time is too short. Don’t jeopardize your soul and salvation! Be holy through and through, be honest with yourself, the time is very short , You can died at anytime, Christ may come at anytime, know yourself and prepare in holiness and purity to meet the Lord.
Prayer : Oh Lord deliver me from self delusion in Jesus Christ name.
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@jyotsnajoy,
The first verse disqualifies TPM and its blind followers like you as their doctrines are lies and the leaders are liars. So open your eyes and try to check where you are heading before it is too late.
Hope God will have mercy on you as He did for me.
Where is that RG guy? I guess his mouth is shut after he knew of this Joshua Convention in Baramati.
Isa 9:16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Isa 56:11
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Isa 55:7
Come, you who are thirsty! and drink from the wells of salvation of eternal life.
This life-giving water is from Jesus, God’s Anointed Christ and Holy Son!
Whom God hath set forth clearly as your only Saviour, who has taken away your sins, who has sanctified you with his own blood, and who has perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Rom 3:25, John 1:29, Heb 13;12, Heb 10:14.
For CHRIST is HEAD of the church. CHRIST JESUS the LORD is far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come.
GOD has put all things under HIS feet. And gave HIM to be the HEAD over all things to the church, which is HIS BODY, the fullness of HIM that filleth all in all. Eph 1:20-23.
These words are written that you might believe on Jesus who is the only way, the truth and the life.
Quit putting faith in your leaders who are mere men and women, who have erred, who have taken the place of honour in the church, which only belongs to Jesus!
And be ye reformed.
May Christ who sees into every heart grant you mercy, grace and peace as you follow him whithersoever He guides you. God bless you.
Dear Brother Johnson,
By God’s grace I am alive and Praying that God open your eyes of understanding and deliver you from Hell Fire.
Lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies is what gets reported.
So for me there’s no point saying anything here because we have a bunch of people who attend TPM churches and speak ill of the church which is the worst behaviour a person can have.
I stand by my statement made earlier and I know now how true I am but sorry at heart because these bunch of people from respectable families as I know them have lost their sanity and hiding behind cloak of secrecy because once we reveal the true identities of these bunch they and their siblings will not be seen in the church.
Again my prayer that God open your eyes of understanding.
By God’s grace I am no one comment the fall a person has in his life. If you reveal your true identities, I can also find out the failures that you all have had in your lives which is hidden to others but then what will I gain, NOTHING.
So unless you repent and come back from your fallen state, I have nothing to say but only pray for you and those with you.
Dear Richie,
If you write an imposition saying it’s LIES, it does not cover up the Truth. This news item is not from some rumors but confirmed by Very Senior Ministers whom you also know. So please verify the facts before shouting LIES.
There are bad apples everywhere. We need to understand that they are human beings after all. The calling of every Christian is to look unto Jesus – the author and finisher of our faith … It does not say anywhere in the bible to look at this man or that woman but it says to only look at Jesus.
Having said that there are many good apples in TPM ministry. Only 1 lakhv44 thousand make up Zion and God is setting apart this group as we’ve have so many saints who have died setting very good examples.
My advise is this. God has given us his Holy Spirit and his words to discern the truths and to know for ourselves a true servant of God.
We also need to understand that Jerusalem cannot be built up without Zion- there is a group of true consecrated ministers.
God bless
// The calling of every Christian is to look unto Jesus – the author and finisher of our faith … It does not say anywhere in the bible to look at this man or that woman but it says to only look at Jesus.
What do you mean by LOOK UNTO JESUS?
Does it mean that we say “God will take care of the situation” as a typical TPM person says? Friend, such an attitude is the height of IRRESPONSIBILITY. People like you are friends with Pilate who loves to wash his hands.
In case you did not know, Jesus and his apostles did face very similar situations. and Looking unto Jesus means to follow him in the way he conducted.
If Jesus was like you we would never have had a chapter like Matthew 23 or Luke 11:37–54.
Do you know what is the Apostolic Instruction?
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Ephesians 5:11-13
Are you following the Apostolic instructions in the Bible or following the instructions of the False Apostles of TPM? (Rev 2:2)
Do you know that the entire Epistle of Galatians was written to thwart the evil Judaisers who are very similar to your TPM Pharisees?
//Having said that there are many good apples in TPM ministry.
Can I know who are these good apples that have come out of the TPM Ministry?
Do you know much better than Jesus? A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.Matt 7:18
This website has over 170 articles proving the erroneous TPM Doctrine. Anybody who has espoused this evil doctrine from hell cannot be Good. This Cult is made and build with the sole intention of taking them to ZION based on their celibacy and is not based on the Righteousness through Jesus.
//Only 1 lakhv44 thousand make up Zion and God is setting apart this group as we’ve have so many saints who have died setting very good examples.
Dear Sister…Being ignorant of the scriptures is not an excuse. And Vomiting their words here will get you into a whirlwind.
Have a look at these articles to know a bit about ZION
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2018/01/27/is-zion-doctrine-of-tpm-apostolic/
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/11/10/zion-tpms-idol-part-1/
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/03/04/zion-the-false-christ-of-tpm/
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2016/11/23/the-zion-doctrine-of-tpm-part-3/
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2016/11/25/the-zion-doctrine-of-tpm-part-4/
// My advise is this. God has given us his Holy Spirit and his words to discern the truths and to know for ourselves a true servant of God.
Keep your advice for yourself. But I am keen to know which Spirit within you has asked you to specifically disobey Ephesians 5: 11? I do not think that was the Holy Spirit?
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Isaiah 5:20
Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly–mere infants in Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:1
How can you justify the wicked and stand up for the devil rather than God? How can you call what goes against God’s Word good? How can you love what God hates? Whose side are you on?
//there is a group of true consecrated ministers.
Can you please show me this “CONSECRATED MINISTERS” in the New Testament?
Where do you get this theology from?
You r such a big life time lier.. oh my God.. I can’t even imagine that ppl could write such filthy words about others.. oh my God..
You r real anti christ..
How dare u r to write such things about fellow human being..
Better u go n try ur luck in filthy movies n cartoons.. there fir ur stories u could earn more..
still Gods mercies n grace is on u.. that’s why u r alive now.. otherwise I don’t kno.. please repent for your words n ask forgiveness.. Dirty you..
Dear Joy,
Tell me one thing. Why was this Joshua kept under house arrest and later on thrown out of TPM?
Jyothsna became Joy or is it otherwise. Did not know that TPM is into gender change?
Anyway even if the gender is changed, the eyes are still blind. Hope God will have mercy on you BroSis Jyothsnajoy
Bro Joy Shekhar
@ Brother Jyosthna.
The admin of this site is not lying about these tpm workers. There was a time I used to think tpm workers r sinless, just next to God. I had so much confidence and trust upon these tpm people. But I saw with my own eyes what they actually do. And they are very comfortable in their sins also. Not only they sin, but they tempt others to sin.
Dear brother Jyosthna,
If u don’t believe, plz stay in ur faith (fake) home for a month(day and night) and u will know everything.
You yourself will feel suffocated..
Dear Jyothsna
Instead of asking the admin to repent you plz go & ask your white-clad frauds to repent for preaching & teaching the unbiblical stuff. Ask your TPM sisters, most of whom are gossip experts. Most of the time especially during the convention their topics of discussion are other brothers & sisters. Most of the TPMites are rumour blasters. I request you to change yourself & then do some effort to change the white-clad frauds also. May God give you grace to do that.
Dear RG,
Your argument is like a robber who is trying to hide and run away from police when caught red handed. You are very well know all these things reported are absolutely true especially when your sibling is a TPM(TALLI POLI MISSION or TETTI POYA MARGAM) white clad servant. How long you will brag these immoral, insensible people.
At the time of judgement, if you say Lord I was not knowing that I was following a devilish cult, won’t help you.
Read you bible without TPM LENS, Holy Spirit (not your saints) will help you.
Thank You Franklin,
I praise God for the discerning spirit which he has given to pass the judgement.
Again I repeat I dont care whether my sibling is in the ministry.
So you know who I am. I can talk like a street guy because I dont care when people talk hiding behind the cloak of secrecy.
If I reveal your names then some of you will be plucked out from the church and thrown out irrespective of whether your parents were very old believers or your siblings are active in the church or your siblings are in the ministry.
If its a devilish CULT, shouldnt your team be out of it first. Why your admin and his stooges still in this devilish church with their family.
Man … set your house in order first before preaching to others….
Bro RG,
Is it right for TPM to throw someone out of church just because he is asking questions and exposing wrong teachings?
I am already out of TPM. I am not attending their meetings. Can I now speak ill of the things I don’t like in church to make other TPM attendees aware of mess they are in ?
Is it possible for you to achieve sinnless perfection by works of law ? Aren’t we all sinners. If we say we have no sin then we are liers. But then why do TPM saints dupe people by saying they are holy, why do they decieve people by wearing white clothes… why do they preach victorious life when the truth is laid to eyes of all about how victorious life they live ?? Isn’t it right to preach truth like apostles did to tell people that we are all sinners saved by grace of God. Didn’t Paul said it is not because of my holiness that miracle took place? Did not apostles taught that Elisha was man if passion like us? They all taught that we all are sinners and in need of mercy and grace of God. Then why does TPM teach otherwise that we are holy, and we bunch of overcomes ? Isn’t this hypocrisy? And if we expose that and inform people that they are lying about their holiness and overcomes claim and they are unable to practice what they preach, then are we doing wrong ?
RG, first of all, don’t say words like “I praise God”, ” I’m praying to God” when you don’t mean it… taking the name of the Lord in vain is a serious sin.
You have said you can “talk like a street guy cos you don’t care when people talk hiding behind the cloak of secrecy”. Contrary to that, we are just presenting truths and facts openly without hiding because we care for the church when your “consecrated saints” keep fornicating, rape, steal, and even murder hiding behind their white cloaks.
Dear Daniel,
Before you preach do your ground work…. First is the moral and ethical standards which you you and your team have failed miserably.
You and your team are active members of the devilish church and preaching to others.
Get your family and your team’s family out of this devilish church into a godly church first and then preach.
Secondly with your new set of lens, now I know that you can see whether I am praying to God or not and also whether I praise God or not. Wow… better then the google lens for sure your lens will make you rich like my name.
Man…. tell your team that lets not behave like bastards but as we all from Well Respected Families…..let us get out of this devilish church first….
If not, if today or tomorrow you or your family members die, because when God will ask them at the time of judgement, and if they say Lord I was not knowing that I was following a devilish cult, won’t help them.
Man – SET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST….I believe when you read through your new found lens it also would tell you the same….. unless you are following the devil’s book…
See, who is talking about moral and ethical standards!
Brothers, have you noted all RGs responses? He doesn’t answer straight to the comments. Rather he keeps ranting (even though we have answered to all these rantings straight forward)
1) show your identities
2) get out of this church and then talk
And finally, when he can’t escape when we spill the beans of the white clad saints, out of frustration he uses words like bastards, mothers milk etc., Very shameful and pathetic.
For all those who still remain in TPM including the ADMIN (who is stil pretending to others in the Church that he is a nice and holy believer in TPM)
If you find so many errors in this church, why you still remain here? Who is forcing you not to leave? Because in the heart of your hearts you know there is no better church than TPM. There are so many churches in the world. Be a member of one of those better churches. Spend your time in praying and other useful activities rather than spending your time in alleging this or that against a TPM.
I’m sure we would tell the gospel to a Roman Catholic because he is caught up in his religion and not saved. What we do here is something similar. TPM is caught up in a false gospel and using God’s word we point out the errors in the hopes that those caught in the false religious trap of TPM be saved.
Richard, you would tell the gospel to a catholic because you are no more a catholic. You are outside of catholic church. Being inside you cannot do that.
Brother Thomas,
I feel you are slipping again. Jesus said, “Go ye into the world and Preach the Gospel”.(Mark 16:15). So has the apostles said they will not Go to the world because they are redeemed from the World, the Gospel Mission would have been in Jeopardy. I think this website has a focus on TPM Believers who are misled by the false apostles. Therefore they are announcing to the TPM World through the internet.
Ah, the same old alleging tactics – “SOME OF THE VERY SENIOR MINISTERS”
Can you name them? They agreed to whom? – the admin of this site?
Seems believable
You people write up something without any proof. Anyone can cook up such stories like the ones in this site and say that this information is verified or authentic.
What is the verification done to your stories? All baseless allegations
TPM believers are not misled. You are misled.
Bro Thomas,
I have already stopped attending TPM. I think it is useful activity to make people aware of wrong things TPM does and then hypocritically wear white clothes and preach holiness. I want to inform people about how impossible it is to achieve sinless perfection is, and realizing this we must not trust in our righteousness but on righteousness imputed by work of Christ on cross..
Bro Nath,
If you left TPM church, that’s your decision. How can your force your decision on others.
Please let us know which is the other holiest church which you are attending, so that we can evaluate its credentials.
Bro RG,
There is difference in between forcing decisions on someone and making people aware of wickedness going inside a church. It is TPM who forces its decisions of rules and regulations on Tpm attendees. Bible clearly prohibits men to stay away from man made rules.
Brother Thomas,
I don’t think you know this kind of strategy. It’s a strategy to not reveal yourself. Even Jesus did that with the Jews. There are many advantages that you can have by being closer to the clergy which an outsider will not have.
Why do you think Moses sent 12 spies to the land of Canaan? Why did Joshua send spies to Jericho?
I think it is quite natural to get to know the inside before you expose This is especially valid for a secret society like organization which we call as TPM.
Ah! What a wonderful idea. Staying inside and working against is called Treason, debauchery.
Joshua was not inside Canaan. He was outside Canaan. That’s why he spent spies and not as you have mentioned.
Brother please understand and see the reason. The Spies were within the domain area they wanted to be conquered or taken over. Joshua was inside Cannan along with the 11 spies. He was not outside Canaan. How could he give a good report if he did not come inside Canaan? I thought you knew Bible better.
AS far as Treason is concerned, Yes its Treason against the Usurper Kingdom of TPM. These are the warriors fighting for the King of Kings
Dear Johnson,
Bullshit….
Talk sense…. who has given you the task of spying?
You expect a spy to tell those details to You?
Sorry Admin,
I dont expect your stooges to tell me that.
God will tell and it will be published and exposed.
You know that whenever guys like RG Thomas, Harry etc., mention the name “God”, it pertains to their fornicating white clad daytime saints.
Dear Thomas,
Kindly find Jesus in the Bible…
Jesus called Teachers of the Law and Pharisees – Snakes , brood of Vipers
Matthew 23:33“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Jesus exposed Teachers of the Law and Pharisees – Hypocrites , Unclean
Matthew 23:25“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Jesus called Teachers of the Law and Pharisees – Blind guides
Matthew 23:16“Woe to you, blind guides!
Jesus called Teachers of the Law and Pharisees – Blind fools
Matthew 23:17You blind fools!
Jesus called Teachers of the Law and Pharisees – Whitewashed Tombs
Matthew 23:27“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
Jesus called Pharisees – Sinners
John 8:4I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
Jesus said about Sadducees – Ignorant of God’s word and power
Matthew 22:29“You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Jesus said about Teachers of the Law and Pharisees – Never belong to God
John 8:47Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Jesus called Pharisees and Teachers of Law – Children of the Devil
John 8:44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry ocut your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Jesus warned Disciples while they were alone with Jesus about Pharisees/Sadducees and their teachings
Matthew 16: 6“Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
Jesus even Openly drove them out the Church in a public view
Matthew 21:12Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13“It is written,” he said to them, “ ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”
Yet Jesus was going to same Church where Pharisees, Sadducees and Teachers of Law held office/position
Luke 4:16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read,
Jesus never went out of the synagogue/Church against whose evil practices he often rebuked and exposed openly as well as in Private…
Do you know Jesus was working secretly till the appointed time has come…
John 7 :1After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him.
Then brothers like you (RG,Thomas Etc,..)
Urged Jesus to reveal HIMSELF and forced HIM to go public
John 7:3Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do. 4No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.”
Look at the Response of Jesus
John7 : 6Therefore Jesus told them, “My time is not yet here; for you any time will do.
Neither Admin nor the others who involves themselves in this act of Love to save the children of God from the clutches of enemy practice anything which is not of Jesus…
In fact Admin is following footsteps of JESUS as led by the Holy Spirit of God…
At the appointed time if it is God’s will Admin may reveal themselves…
Thomas, that is one of the very good joke I’ve read in this blog – a man in his right senses won’t talk things like “heart of hearts you know there is no better church”. Why would we go to this extent of exposing everything one by one when in the heart we think there is no better church. You talk senseless. Let me answer straight – one of the main reason I attend TPM is to catch these culprits and their false doctrines spoken from the pulpit every week. As I already mentioned, I attend another church regularly for fellowship.
No one is fooled by the reasons you have mentioned.
You need TPM for baptism, marriage and other things. And in between you want to find fault also. Why dont you mention the name of this fellowship you attend. If it is better than TPM, then others also can attend it and be benefitted.
You are such a deceitful person that you say you attend only to expose.
No one in their right sense will attend a church when they fully know that it is a corrupted church. You are keeping in touch to suit some of your needs.
Come out of TPM. Then cast mud. Otherwise you yourself declare that TPM is better than the other churches or the fellowship you are attending.
Only because you are not able to find the needed spiritual growth or food in the fellowship you are attending, you are still holding on to TPM
Yes, bro Thomas very good “spiritual food” for the growth of lusts are given in TPM so you can fornicate right inside the premises!
oh! Is that the reason you are holding on to TPM to fornicate inside TPM premises? Very good reason Daniel!
Thomas, I think you understand simple English. I already told in the second previous answer, I’m attending in order to expose and so yes, I attend to expose the “spiritual” food they give to fornicate and things such like.
Wow… Dear Daniel… So you have shown your true COLORS….
You have proved by your words that your teams are workers of the Devil and to propagate the works of the devil you have started this website.
Repent and be converted before God sends HIS wrath you and your family.
Dear RG,
Be a member of one of the spiritual Church, there are lot of holier and graces Saints / Pastors in this world.
They are married and consecrated too.
You just need to go and lookout on the Ministries
It is not true to say that there is no other Church or Ministry Holier than the TPM.
Please, wake up from your sleep.
I am one more example, this is my first comment, I did not post anything so far.
I have been reading the comments for last few Months.
Dear Admin,
Please assist me how to became a member of your site?
Dear Brother,
This is an open forum and if you have started commenting, you are already a member. We value your comments and inputs, please keep commenting and help us with information that you think is useful for the rest of us.
God Bless you
Admin
Thanks,
I too am escaped one from TPM’s bad behaviour
The name is so good but your character doesnt befit the name.
The shameful and pathetic behaviours are been shown by Admin and his stooges who have no credentials worthy of their family backgrounds but have come so low and doing those works which people who have no family connections would do.
You want to expose the works of others but you dont want others to expose your dirty works done in secret.
Hypocrites and there’s no other better word than that.
Come on Admin and stooges, please leave the TPM church before you or your family members die in this devilish church and are taken to Hell….. you will be responsible for them going to Hell….. bcoz after knowing the truth also, you didnt deliver them when it was in your power to deliver them…..
Dont be late….. Arise, leave the devilish church and go to the other churches which are more holier than the TPM and doesnt have any blemishes.
Bro RG, I am out of this church. What a holy church TPM you attend! They drink in so called house of God, bring girls to the so called holy place to quench their thirst and use their bodies for money, – the money which people earn from their hard labour! They send goons to believers home to beat them! They pay hard earned money of believers to young boys for sodomy. They murder fellow servants when caught in illegitimate activities. I know you are one of those believers who keep regularly supplying money for tpm saints to carry these activities. Good keep going!!!
Dear Nath,
Since you not giving money, shut your bloody mouth and sit.
Go and checkout the church where you are paying money whether they are using it rightly.
Also why can’t you provide the name of that holiest church that you are attending….may be we could have thoughts of joining it to continue your works there
Bro RG,
Who are you to ask me to shut my mouth. Why have you become so angry when the true colour of your white clad saints is revealed? I have given them money in past. So I have right to reveal to others how I felt when I found that my hard earned money is used for such activities. What is wrong in asking believers to check if these white clad saints are spending their money on illegitimate activities of homosexuality and on prostitutes. You keep supplying them money, to pay it to goons, girls, gays and for bribery to cover all wickedness. I am not asking you to stop. But who are you to stop me from asking other believers about how their money is spent on prostitutes and liquor ?
Dear Nath,
Since you are not getting these now so you are complaining.
What’s the point of complaining.
Repent from your deeds and forget the past. God is gracious to forgive you even today.
Bro RG
When will you stop immature childish behaviour to fight on vain things. Why cant you be sincere and honest ? Whats the use of defending evil. I would have loved to see you defending tpm doctrines rather than wicked activities. Better show courage to defend what you believe rather than such hypocrites.
True, brother Nath, have you noted RG, Thomas etc., rebutting doctrinal issues? Sadly, no. Only whenever we expose their dark activities they come pouncing without any grounds. TYPICAL LIKE THEIR CONSECRATED SAINTS.
Bro Daniel
How many times we have asked them to engage in healthy discussion which is apt for Christians. But how can they? They have never been taught. They are only taught to fight, threaten. And this is what they do.
Wow… Nath and Daniel…
So this site is propagating what is apt for true Christians to do?
You have revealed the true colors of a true christian.
True we have never been taught and you have been taught by your parents to be spies, work against the church, expose others (hide yourselves), etc…
Keep it up …….
Can I ask which crown your team will be getting in eternity for exposing the TPM?
Bro RG
I am grateful for salvation which I have received irrespective of how great sinner I am. I don’t do a thing to get in return something. All that Christ has done for me is thousand times more than what I would have achieved it by my good works or horrible holiness! I am not into trade business like TPM. You seek those highest place in heaven and most shining crown.
Kindly get it confirmed from TPM baramati about bro Joshua, or better engage in meaningful discussion about scriptures. Dont waste your time and ours in babbling.
RG, Nath and all of us have thrown scores of money to this adulterous pipeline in the past so we’ve got all the rights to talk. It is you and Thomas who have to shut your mouths when we have boldly exposed these things.
Dear Daniel,
God knows your state and what you have done. I am sure that you have something hidden in your cupboard which you dont want anyone to know. Keep in mind, God will reveal that and it will be published here…
Should I and other shut up just because you have given your money to some church – what is the logic Daniel? When you cant prove your points you go on to say “SHUT UP”. Well done.
Its quite striking to note that RG keeps responding to all our comments with his usual slogans about our identity and leaving this cult but couldn’t answer to admins original answer to him that his very own senior ministers only confirmed these blatant acts of this so called saint Joshua….because RG knows that it’s true but just trying to cover up just like his top “saints” by ranting and threatening.
Ah, the same old alleging tactics – “SOME OF THE VERY SENIOR MINISTERS”
Can you name them? They agreed to whom? – the admin of this site?
Seems believable
You people write up something without any proof. Anyone can cook up such stories like the ones in this site and say that this information is verified or authentic.
What is the verification done to your stories? All baseless allegations
Dear Daniel,
I am not worried now about your identities.
I am worried about your family members who will go to hell bcoz they are in the devilish. You preach and you want you family members to die in this devilish church.
Why dont you care about your family’s eternal life?
What kind of hypocritical life you are living? Is this according to your non-TPM lens which says send your family to hell through the TPM.
Dear RG & Thomas
You call admin & all his team members traitors or hypocrites just bcoz they expose the wrong deeds of the white-clad saints of TPM. If it so, what would you call your saints who are doing all the works of darkness behind the wall of celibacy & fake consecrations. If admin & all the team members are traitors & hypocrites then, TPM saints are manifold traitors & hypocrites. In the article the place & culprit’s name are mentioned very clearly. Go and ask you senior clergy that, why Joshua was packed up from the church with hours? Instead of using your guts to ask your leaders about what is being exposed on this site, you are blaming those who are bringing the truth out. In fact, people like you are the reason for TPM to go from bad to worst. If you truly love your church then instead of covering up the dirty things done by such people behind the long white cloak, take courage and question them. If you don’t do this then believe me,TPM will become more worst & others will spit on it.
Excellent message Mr. Anthony Parker.
God knows whats hidden in your cupboard.
I believe your life has been holy till now with no blemishes.
By exposing may I know which crown you will be getting in eternity? or you dont believe in eternity?
Dear RG,
How long you will try to shoot the messages?
I think you don’t have proper biblical knowledge. Plz take time to read the word of God. Don’t be frog in the well. You plz tell me, what crown you are gonna get by calling others bastards?
I am a regular visitor of this site for the last 5-6 months. I have observed that the language difference between pro tpm and anti tpm people is really quite disturbing. None of the anti tpm people have used any foul languages whereas the pro tpm people are using extremely bad languages (my conscience doesn’t allow to reproduce it even in this very site). One thing I know many people like me have come to know the consecration of these so called saints. I am ashamed to call myself a tpm believer. Now I have got certain ideas of their purpose of allotting places to people in heaven
Sad state of affairs.
I sympathize with all sides here.
I agree with Anthony Parker – why doesn’t anyone ask the TPM ministers to either put these allegations to rest or admit them and make the necessary correction?
True believers have nothing to fear, right?
Admin.
You are already having a Malayalam site. Will you please start a Tamil version so that many tamilians will understand the masked reality. They are accepting or not it is upto them. At least let them realise the most painful facts being a tpm believer.
Yes Sister, We are in the process of putting up the tamil site. Should be launched in a week or two. Keep visiting and you shall see the additional link on the top menu very soon (God Willing)
@Admin
Pls translate English comments and post into malayalam site..
Now the malayalam site is not active.
Update is delayed…
Also
We should protest in front of the centre faithhomes, main local faithhomes.
Also wall posters , brochures , big flex qouting unbiblical doctrines…
It is the time to choose More effective methods….!!
Dear Albert John
I thank God for the courage He has given you. I believe that many more will stand up with you to shake the filthy system. At the call of Deborah in (Judges 5:16-18) when all others somehow or the other ignored her call then Zebulun & Naphtali jeoparded their lives. At last, one Albert is on his feet to fight this rotten organization. Well done! Once you start doing this then, others will follow you and soon the foundation of TPM is gonna shake.
Go to Church, fellowship with God’s people, dine on the Holy Word alone.
New research indicates that church attendance reduces stress. Before I explain why, let’s survey some reasons we need the help.
According to an expert on radicalization, the latest terrorist attacks in Great Britain are “just the tip of the iceberg, and it’s an enormous iceberg.” British authorities are currently investigating 500 active terrorism plotters, 3,000 other persons of interest, and 20,000 others with links to militancy. UK security officials say the number of radicalized individuals has become unmanageable.
Shootings such as last week’s tragedy in Orlando seem to make the news daily. In addition to violence, consider the escalating moral challenges of our day. A Catholic farmer was recently barred from a municipal farmers market in Michigan because he stated on Facebook “his Catholic belief that marriage is a sacramental union between one man and one woman” and chose not to host a lesbian couple’s wedding at his orchard.
A transgender man is in the news because he stopped taking testosterone and is now pregnant. The Church of England will vote next month on whether to create an official “baptism-style” service to celebrate sex changes. A woman in San Diego says she is “objectum-sexual,” a person who is in love with an object. In her case, she says she married a train station in California.
Do you feel your stress level increase when you read the news? So do I. This is not good—stress has been linked to cancer, lung disease, fatal accidents, suicide, and cirrhosis of the liver. It can damage the heart, weaken the immune system, and cause weight gain.
Fortunately, there’s an amazing remedy for stress: going to church.
We already knew that church attendance improves the longevity of women. A Harvard professor’s study found that women who attend religious services more than once a week have a 33 percent lower risk of death than women who never attend worship.
Now a new report by a Vanderbilt University professor indicates that those who attend church services may reduce their mortality risk by 55 percent. The study collected data on more than 5,000 people, finding that those who did not attend church at all were twice as likely to die prematurely as those who had attended a worship service in the past year.
Why is churchgoing so healthy? The Vanderbilt professor explains that social support, a sense of compassion, and personal holiness result from church attendance. Each is known to contribute to reducing stress. And the lower our stress, the longer and healthier our lives.
The remedy for stress is not found in our fallen culture but in our risen Lord. Fifty days after Easter, his followers were surrounded by a hostile Empire and decadent society. As they met God in worship, they were empowered by the Holy Spirit. They witnessed so boldly and preached so courageously that three thousand came to Christ (Acts 2). Before long, they “turned the world upside down” for Jesus (Acts 17:6).
Now God is ready to do through us what he did through them. Lat week, Christians around the world marked Pentecost Sunday.
(Dr. Jim Denison, Denison Forum)
Thank you, Denzel Joy, for your encouraging post.
And I know you mean to go to a Bible-believing church.
Yes, indeed these following Bible verses, show forth what you have posted:
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. Proverbs 3:7-8.
I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety. Psalm 4:8.
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Philippians 4:6-7.
Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God: Psalm 146:5
Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Proverbs 4:23
God bless you
Brothers
What Tpm teach abt TRINITY ??
GOD IN THREE PERSONS ?
OR
GOD IN THREE PERSONALITIES ??
3 persons. But Pastor MT has taught that God “BECAME” a trinity.
“Before the heavens were created God was there. He was seen as the triune God. There are 3 persons in the Trinity. For creation, for the sake of mankind, God became a trinity. If he did not become a triune God, the work of creation could not have taken place” – https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/02/07/heresies-in-tpm-part-1/
But I don’t think TPM has an understanding of what “persons” means. I doubt they can defend the doctrine of Trinity if they come up against a Jehovah’s Witness. A JW believer will have a field day against them.
@Richard.
Recently I talk with a innocent TPM BELIVER.
regarding Trinity.
But his explanation is modalisim..
Like Man composed of “spirit,soul,body”
Dat means 3 personalites not 3 persons..!!
But brother,
In Genesis , man is living soul.
How this concept of body come in theolgy
I
I have no knowledge on this subject but I liked this saying Ravi Zacharias,
You are not a body having soul but you are a soul having body.
A Family, Not a Trinity
The fact that God the Father and Jesus Christ are called “the Father,” and “the Son,” respectively, indicates a family relationship. Angels, though they do not marry, are part of a family. The word “family” means “any class or group of like or related things,” (Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary). Angels are called “sons of God” in Job 1:6, 38:7. Human relationships, as God intended them to be, are patterns of heavenly realities. Psalm 97:7 states, “worship Him, all ye gods [Hebrew: elohim].” Hebrews 1:6 shows that these elohim are angels. Paul wrote, ” . . . I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,” Ephesians 3:14, 15.
Are the Father and Son distinct “Beings”? Trinitarians say no, they are hypostases, or “personal distinctions,” within one Being.
During His last moments on the stake, the Messiah cried, “My God, my God, why has thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46. The Father did temporarily forsake His Son, which means they were separated for a time. Thus, they are separate Beings, with separate consciousnesses.
Yes, John 10:30 says, “I [Jesus] and My Father are one.” But, it does not say they are one indistinguishable Being. On the night of His betrayal, Jesus prayed that His disciples “may be one, even as we [Christ and the Father] are one,” John 17:22. The “oneness” He had in mind was a perfect unity of mind, purpose, and fellowship, verse 23. This is explained in John 10:37-38, “If I do not the works of My Father, believe Me not. But if I do, though ye believe not Me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” Just as the disciples are to be one, so are they to be one with the Father and the Son, who are one.
Scripture shows, “there is none other God but one,” I Corinthians 8:4. “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him,” verse 6. Thus, the Father is the one God, and the Son is the one Lord. They are distinct beings.
The vast majority of New Testament references to “God” are references to God the Father alone. God raised up Jesus from the dead, Acts 3:26, 4:10, 2:24, 32, 36, 13:23, 30. See also Romans 1:7; I Corinthians 1:3; II Corinthians 1:2; Galatians 1:3; Ephesians 1:2; Philippians 1:2; Colossians 1:3; I Thessalonians 1:1; II Thessalonians 1:2.
In a few passages, Christ is called “God” (John 1:1; Titus 2:12; Hebrews 1:8) in the sense that He is the same kind, or class of Being. But when “God” is used in the sense of Supreme Sovereign Head of all, the term applies exclusively to the Father.
Jesus prayed, “And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent,” John 17:3. Obviously, for God the Father to have sent Christ, the Father is distinct from the Son, and God is not “the Father, Son, and Spirit” in a trinity.
“The head of Christ is God,” I Corinthians 11:3, shows there is one supreme sovereign, the Father. The trinitarian definition of God does not work with these verses.
Bro.
Am confused in this
How holy spirit became in 3rd person.??
Really Holy spirit is jus spirit of God..
According to my understanding.
God is a family.
Albert, Holy Spirit didn’t “become” the 3rd person. WE know from scripture that God is unchanging in his nature and essence. So that means God has always existed as 3 persons. God is ONE BEING in 3 PERSONS. When Jesus was baptized we have the voice of the Father from heaven and the Holy Spirit in the shape of a dove resting on Jesus – 3 distinct persons but ONE being.
This is how we know the Holy Spirit is a person distinct from the Father and a Son.
1. The Holy Spirit is referred with the pronoun “He” all throughout the gospel of John (John 15:26; 16:13, 14).
2. You can the Holy Spirit (Isa 63:10); grieve Him (Eph 4:30); reverence Him (Ps 51:11); and obey Him (Acts 10:19-21).
3. (1) His work in creation (Gen 1:2); (2) His work in empowering (Zech 4:6); (3) His teaching ministry (John 16:13); (4) His guidance (Isa 48:16; Rom 8:14); (5) His comforting (John 14:26); (6) His prayer (Rom 8:26); (7) His work of convincing the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8); (8) His restraint of sin (Isa 59:19); (9) His authoritative commands (Acts 8:29; 13:2; 16:7)
4. The Holy Spirit has life (Rom 8:2) which is an essential of personality.
5. The Holy Spirit has his OWN WILL (1 Cor 12:11)
Read more here – https://bible.org/seriespage/1-person-holy-spirit
@ Richard
### God is ONE BEING in 3 PERSONS…
One being ?? How ??
2 beings ,god the father, god and our Lord saviour Jesus christ
### This is how we know the Holy Spirit is a person distinct from the Father and a Son.
1. The Holy Spirit is referred with the pronoun “He” all throughout the gospel of John (John 15:26; 16:13, 14).
2. You can the Holy Spirit (Isa 63:10); grieve Him (Eph 4:30); reverence Him (Ps 51:11); and obey Him (Acts 10:19-21).
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Greek Grammar Does Not Support Holy Spirit Being a Person.!!!!!!
John chapters 14-16 is the one place that most theologians feel describes the Spirit as a person. However, in the Greek language, like other Romance languages (Italian, Spanish, and French), every noun has gender; that is, it is considered either masculine feminine, or neuter. The gender of a word has nothing to do with whether it is really masculine or feminine . it is more of a grammatical tool.
Jesus referred to the Spirit as “the Comforter.” The pronoun “he” is used in connection with the word “comforter” � parakletos � such as John 16:7-8. However, the reason for the use of the personal pronoun “he” is for grammatical, not theological, or spiritual reasons.
All pronouns in Greek must agree in gender with the word they refer to, therefore the pronoun “he” is used when referring to the Greek word parakletos. Only John refers to the Spirit as the parakletos � “Comforter.” The other New Testament writers use the word pneuma which means “breath” or “spirit.” This is the Greek equivalent of ruah, the Hebrew word for “spirit” used in the Old Testament. Pneuma is a grammatically neuter word and is always represented by the pronoun “it.”
However, the translators of the King James Version, being swayed by the doctrine of the Trinity, generally mistranslated the pronouns referring to pneuma as masculine. For example, see John 16:13. One instance where they did not mistranslate is found in Romans 8:16, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.”
John�s use of the parakletos is no proof the Spirit is a person. For if the simple gender of a noun were the basis for the personality of the Spirit, then the Spirit changed gender from the Old to the New Testament, since the Hebrew word for “spirit” in the Old Testament was in the feminine gender in a majority of cases, and in a masculine sense less often.
While I wholly agree with the Trinity doctrine, I must admit you have made some excellent observations here. I need to read up some more to fully reply.
Thanks.
Trinity Not Biblical
The belief that God is one substance, yet three persons, is one of the central doctrines of orthodox Christians. The concept of the Trinity is held by most professing believers, whether Catholic or Protestant. Those who deny the Trinity are often labeled as a “cult.”
The following statements show the confusing aspect of this subject: “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who would try to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind. But he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul,” (Harold Lindsell and Charles J. Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51-52).
Peter admonished Christians: ” . . . Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you . . . .” I Peter 3:15. We need to know the Truth of the matter of the nature of the Deity. Therefore, a Christian should prove whether or not God is a Trinity.
Do you have any thoughts about the Trinity from you own mind, Albert?
Albert, “The gender of a word has nothing to do with whether it is really masculine or feminine . it is more of a grammatical tool.”
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Of course. I think you refuted yourself there. So, the word “pneuma” which is neuter gender doesn’t help you in anyway.
Only a person can be a “comforter”. An impersonal “IT” cannot be a comforter. We are not debating the “gender” of the Holy Spirit but whether the Holy Spirit is a person or not. You seem to be confused.
Persons or Hypostases?
The doctrine of the Trinity is not well understood. Trinitarians do NOT believe that God is a family of three Persons, that is, they do not believe that there are three Beings, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, each a part of God. Trinitarian theologians explain that God is one Being, not three, and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are “personal distinctions,” or hypostases, within that one Being. These distinctions are not “parts” of God, since He is infinite and cannot be divided into parts.
Trinitarian Robert M. Bowman, Jr., writes, “Another aspect of God�s oneness is the fact that there are no separations or divisions or partitions in God. The trinitarian doctrine holds that God is a single infinite being, transcending the bounds of space and time, having no body either material or spiritual (except the body that the Son assumed in becoming a man). Thus, the trinitarian God has no parts. You cannot divide the infinite being into components. The Athanasian Creed affirms that God is not divided by the three persons when it states that the trinitarian faith does not allow for �dividing the substance� (using �substance� to mean the essence or being of God). The three persons, consequently, are not three parts of God, but three personal distinctions within God, each of whom is fully God” (Why You Should Believe in the Trinity, pp. 12-13).
Trinitarians do teach that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct “persons,” only in the sense of “personal distinctions.” Bowman says, “If �person� is used to mean a separate individual being, then in that sense trinitarians frankly would confess to believe that God is one �person�.”
“However, there is another sense of the word person that focuses not on separate existence but on relationship; trinitarians believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three �persons� in the sense that each is aware of the others, speaks to the others, and loves and honors the others. Thus, God may be described as �one person� or as �three persons,� depending on the meaning of �persons�,” (Ibid., pp. 13-14).
The Greek word hypostasis, or the plural hypostases, is used in Hebrews 1:3, referring to the Son of God, “Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person [hupostasis, or hypostasis, Strong�s #5287], and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.” This Greek word is used several other places in the New Testament, to signify confidence, or substance, II Corinthians 9:4, 11:17; Hebrews 3:14, 11:1. According to Green�s Interlinear, hypostasis in Hebrews 1:3 is better translated “essence” rather than “person.” There is NO Biblical usage of hypstasis referring to “distinctions,” or “persons” of a trinity.
Does all this theological discussion seem too weighty for the average person? Can we, finite humanity, comprehend the infinite God? To this, the Eternal answers, “But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth Me, that I am the LORD . . .,” Jeremiah 9:24.
You could have just given the link Albert. (http://www.giveshare.org/BibleStudy/161.trinity.html)
For example. Lets say you name your baby “pneuma”. That doesn’t mean your baby isn’t a person, right? We decide whether your baby is a person based on other attributes like the list I mentioned.
Use of “Person” in New Testament..!!
The New Testament usage of the word, “person” includes the Father and the Son, but not the Holy Spirit. We have seen the usage of “person” (hypostasis) to refer to the Son, who is the express image of the person of the Father, Hebrews 1:3. The major word for “person,” however, is Strong�s #4383, prosopon, which means “face, appearance, person, countenance.” The Lord and the Father have a “face,” or “person,” or “presence,” (prosopon), Matthew 18:10; Mark 1:2; Luke 1:76, 10:1; Acts 3:19; II Corinthians 2:10, 4:6; II Thessalonians 1:9; Hebrews 9:24; I Peter 3:12; Revelation 6:16, 10:1, 20:11, 22:4. However, there is no scriptural reference to the Holy Spirit having this characteristic.
I have given you ample verses that proves the role of the Holy Spirit. A impersonal “IT” cannot do any of those. Just tell me how a “non-person” can be attributed to the below qualities. You haven’t addressed even a single point until now.
1. The Holy Spirit is referred with the pronoun “He” all throughout the gospel of John (John 15:26; 16:13, 14).
2. You can the Holy Spirit (Isa 63:10); grieve Him (Eph 4:30); reverence Him (Ps 51:11); and obey Him (Acts 10:19-21).
3. (1) His work in creation (Gen 1:2); (2) His work in empowering (Zech 4:6); (3) His teaching ministry (John 16:13); (4) His guidance (Isa 48:16; Rom 8:14); (5) His comforting (John 14:26); (6) His prayer (Rom 8:26); (7) His work of convincing the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8); (8) His restraint of sin (Isa 59:19); (9) His authoritative commands (Acts 8:29; 13:2; 16:7)
4. The Holy Spirit has life (Rom 8:2) which is an essential of personality.
5. The Holy Spirit has his OWN WILL (1 Cor 12:11)
I must point out, in John “He” refers to the role of parakletos that only a PERSON can do. An impersonal being cannot comfort anyone. So don’t drag this discussion again to the gender of the word. I mentioned “He” because the role of a PARAKLETOS can ONLY be done by a PERSON. The gender of the word is irrelevant here.
Pray tell how an non-person can do this.
“In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.” (Romans 8:26)
Is the Holy Spirit a Person?
You can search the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will find no such Bible teaching with regard to the Holy Spirit. The Bible does not teach that the Holy Spirit is a third member of a Trinity.
The New Testament ascribes attributes to the Holy Spirit that belong only to God. However, this does not establish the Holy Spirit as being a third hypostasis. In Acts 5:3-4, Ananias and his wife “lied to the Holy Spirit,” which was the same as lying to God. The Holy Spirit, being the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ, is their mind or essence. The Spirit reveals God�s Truth to us, I Corinthians 2:10. Our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit, which we have received from God, I Corinthians 6:19.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. And if Christ be in you [by the indwelling the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God and of Christ], the body is dead because of sin: but the Spirit is life because of [His] righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you,” Romans 8:9-11. This tells us that the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are the same thing, that this Spirit in the true believer is Christ living in him. These verses fit perfectly with the truth that the Spirit is the mind of God, rather than a person (hypostasis).
“For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ,” I Corinthians 2:16. “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus,” Philippians 2:5. “Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for He that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin,” I Peter 4:1.
“Thou sendest forth Thy Spirit, they are created . . . ,” Psalm 104:30. This shows that “thy spirit” is the mind and power of God, not a personal distinction.
” . . . Christ, Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God . . . ,” Hebrews 9:14. Naturally, the Spirit is Eternal, because it is the mind and power of God.
God�s Spirit can speak, I Timothy 4:1; it can be grieved, Ephesians 4:30; it can be quenched, I Thessalonians 5:19. It is the mind and power of God. Paul said “Christ in you” is the “hope of glory,” Colossians 1:27. John tells us, “If we love one another, God dwelleth in us . . . . Hereby know we that we dwell in Him, and He is us, because He hath given us of His Spirit,” I John 4:12, 13. Christ promised, “Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them,” Matthew 18:20. “If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him,” John 14:23. Paul wrote, ” . . . for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people,” II Corinthians 6:16. “And hereby we know that He [God the Father] abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us,” I John 3:24
The Spirit of God in the Bible
The personality of Jesus Christ is thoroughly provable from the Bible, but there is no such proof for a personality of the Holy Spirit.
“The OT [Old Testament] clearly does not envisage God�s spirit as a person, neither in the strictly philosophical sense, nor in the Semitic sense. God�s spirit is simply God�s Power. If it is sometimes represented as being distinct from God, it is because the breath of Yahweh acts exteriorly (Isaiah 48:16, 63:11, 32:15).” So say the authors of the New Catholic Encyclopedia.
“Very rarely do the OT writers attribute to God�s spirit emotions or intellectual activity (Isa. 63:10; Wis. 1:3-7). When such expressions are used, they are mere figures of speech that are explained by the fact that the ruah was regarded also as the seat of intellectual acts and feeling (Gen. 41:8). Neither is there found in the OT or in rabbinical literature the notion that God�s spirit is an intermediary being between God and the world. This activity is proper to the angels, although to them is ascribed some of the activity that elsewhere is ascribed to the spirit of God,” (New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XIII, p. 574).
Now what about the New Testament? This Catholic source says:
“Although the NT [New Testament] concepts of the Spirit of God are largely a continuation of those of the OT, in the NT there is a gradual revelation that the Spirit of God is a person. . . .
“The majority of NT texts reveal God�s Spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.”
Though theologians would like for the Bible to say that the Spirit is a person, they must admit that the majority of the scriptures connected with it show that it is not someone
but something. Even the personification of the Spirit is no proof of its personality.
“When a quasi-personal activity is ascribed to God�s spirit, e.g., speaking, hindering, desiring, dwelling (Acts 8:29, 16:7; Rom. 8:9), one is not justified in concluding immediately that in these passages God�s spirit is regarded as a Person; the same expressions are used in regard to rhetorically personified things or abstract ideas (see Rom. 6:6, 7:17). Thus the context of the phrase �blasphemy against the spirit� (Mt. 12:31; cf. Mt. 12:28; Lk. 11:20) shows that reference is being made to the power of God,” (New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XIII, p. 575). After such admissions, it is almost inconceivable that any theologian could still teach that the Spirit is a person � yet some do.
In Luke 1:35, we read of the angel Gabriel�s prophecy to Mary, “The Holy Ghost [Spirit] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” Thus, the Holy Spirit is equated with the power of the Highest. We can be filled with, be led by, the Holy Spirit, Luke 1:15, 41, 67, 4:1, 14. Like the Old Testament, the New Testament represents the Spirit as leading, inspiring, and empowering God�s servants. In Acts 2:4, 17-18, the Holy Spirit filled the disciples, a fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28. Peter obviously did not understand God�s Spirit in trinitarian terms. Notice that the Holy Spirit was poured out from God, indicating that it is His power and mind, not a distinct hypostasis.
Abbert, Since you just copied an entire web article from here (http://www.cognwm.org/articles/screenarticle.php?article_id=440)
Consider this my refutation (https://bible.org/seriespage/1-person-holy-spirit)
If you are willing this issue using your own words, I will consider replying with my own words. Else I’ll just be debating with an inanimate website and you’ll then reply to my comment by pasting an article from another website.
Brother Albert,
Why do you spam the comments section by COPY and PASTE from some sources?
What makes it impossible for you to type in your own words and engage in a discussion?
Sorry bro,
For my convenience,
I jus copy paste..
Am research on this topic TRINTY…
NOW AM TOTALY FRUSTRATED….
PLS help me
The Holy Spirit � God�s Begettal Power
What is the Spirit? The Spirit, or Holy Spirit, as it is called in the New Testament, was the power by which Jesus Christ was begotten. “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost [Spirit],” Matthew 1:18.
When Joseph was about to put Mary away because she was pregnant, “the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost [Spirit],” Matthew 1:20.
Jesus was begotten in the womb of Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit. He was literally born with God�s Spirit in His mind. He became the Son of God and died for us that we might have the same opportunity to become God.
The Apostle Paul plainly taught this vital Truth in Romans 8:16, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.” Paul did not mean this in some sentimental sort of way, as he goes on to show in the next verse. “And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ . . . .”
Paul shows that Jesus Christ is the heir of all things in Hebrews 1:2. We have the opportunity, if we have God�s Spirit in our minds, to inherit all things with Jesus Christ.
The Spirit of God unites with our minds, and we are begotten (or conceived) again � this time spiritually, not as we originally were, physically. We become a new person.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” I Peter 1:3. Verse 23 adds, “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.”
The Holy Spirit impregnates us with God�s nature. That spiritual begettal gives us the nature and mind of God. Throughout our Christian lives we continue to grow and develop in the understanding and mind of God, until we are finally born into the God family and made immortal at the return of Jesus Christ to this earth (I Corinthians 15:49-52).
How can we obtain the Spirit of God? “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost [Spirit],” Acts 2:38.
Here again we can see why the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are mentioned in the “baptismal formula” in Matthew 28:19. God the Father is the One who brings us to repentance (Romans 2:4); Jesus Christ � God the SON � is the One who died that we can have our past sins forgiven; and the Holy Spirit is the power by which God the Father begets us.
The Holy Spirit is the power of God, not a person. It is the power by which we are begotten that we might become sons of God.
I think I’ll call you Albot from now on. smh.
Albert, you said
//### God is ONE BEING in 3 PERSONS…
One being ?? How ??
2 beings ,god the father, god and our Lord saviour Jesus christ//
Woah! Totally missed this comment from you. This is an heretical statement. This comment makes you a polytheist. If you say there are 2 beings it means there are 2 gods. Haven’t you heard “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!” (Deut 6:4). God is ONE. This means God is ONE BEING, not TWO BEINGS or 3 BEINGS. Within that ONE BEING of God are 3 eternally existing persons, The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. I think you should really consider your theology in light of scripture
The duality of the God family is shown in Psalm 110, “The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit Thou at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool,” (verse 1). Jesus confounded the Pharisees when He referred to this passage in Matthew 22:41-46.
Two different Lords are mentioned here. One is God the Father and the other is the One who became Jesus Christ. Paul quoted this passage to the Jewish Christians � applying it directly to Jesus Christ: “But to which of the angels said He at any time, Sit on My right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool?” Hebrews 1:13.
Was the Son also God? Verse 8 answers, “But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever . . . .” There can be no doubt that God the Father and Jesus the Son are mentioned as two separate beings in the Old Testament.
That’s polytheism, ALbert. Saying God is “two beings” is contrary to everything the bible says about the nature of God.
“Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!” (Deut 6:4)
/That’s polytheism, ALbert. Saying God is “two beings” is contrary to everything the bible says about the nature of God.///
God is divine family
Not what deut 6:4 says
“Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!” (Deut 6:4)
God is ONE BEING.
The duality of God is not merely a “plural of majesty” as some would have us believe.
Daniel wrote, “I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days . . . ,” Daniel 7:13. The “Son of man” is the One who later became Jesus Christ. Daniel then saw Him given rulership and a Kingdom that will never be destroyed (verse 14), indicating the Son of Man was no mere physical human being.
The Ancient of Days, in this instance, is the divine Being who is called the Father in the New Testament.
Jesus Christ referred to this same event in His parable of the nobleman (Himself) who went to a far country (Heaven) to receive a kingdom, and to return (Luke 19:12).
Lets try this. Do you believe Jesus existed eternally as a person before the incarnation?
@Richard,
Yes,
John 1: clearly explained the divinty of Jesus
Great. Is our God “ONE” or “TWO”?
///Great. Is our God “ONE” or “TWO”?//
The Hebrew word for “God” used in Genesis 1:1 and 26 is Elohim, the plural form of Eloh.
God is a family. There presently are two members in that God family, God the Father � the Head of the family, the Lawgiver � and Jesus Christ the Son � the Spokesman, the Creator.
Belief in a Trinity clouds the real purpose that God has in store for mankind. If we are taught that God is a closed Trinity of three persons, we lose sight of the fact that God�s real purpose is to create many more members of the God family.
Can you please reply using your own words? I’m not interested in discussing with an inanimate website.
Can you share ur email I’d.
I will send document regarding oneness…and duality…
So that you’ll spam my email with more of these? No thanks.
Itz ok.
I dnt want to spam ur mail id.
I have one nice article.
This is the article…..
https://www.cbcg.org/defining-oneness.html
God is ONE.
THE “ONE ” SPIRITUAL MEANING ??
Uses OF One.
https://www.cbcg.org/defining-oneness.html
Make up your mind, Albert. Earlier you said there are TWO separate beings called “god”. This is what happens when you randomly copy-paste from different anti-trinitarian websites. Have a consistent view before engaging in a debate.
//The Holy Spirit impregnates us with God�s nature. That spiritual begettal gives us the nature and mind of God. //
Oh no! Are you even reading this before pasting it here? This is straight up heresy. God is God and man is man. Man can never get the nature of the uncreated God. This is like what TPM preaches that in eternity Holy Spirit will go missing and TPM saints will become the 3rd person of the Trinity
/GOD appears to us human beings in three different forms. Do you have any objection?
3 forms ??? how ??
Only one form
In new testament
John 1: clearly explained.
Also Jesus came to earth for Reveal God the father.
The God that Moses saw and heard was not God the Father, again proving that Christ was the God of the Old Testament.
“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him,” John 1:18. Christ came to earth to, among other things, reveal the Father and to show a family relationship that exists in the Godhead.
Jesus said, “. . . No man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal Him,” Luke 10:22.
Unless Jesus had revealed the Father to us, there is no way for us to know Him. “All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him,” Matthew 11:27.
In old testament,he was logos
Jesus Christ was God, the One who created man in Genesis 2:7. “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink of the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ,” I Corinthians 10:1-4.
Paul tells us that Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament � the One who spoke to Moses and led the Israelites out of Egypt. The One who became the Son was the God of the Old Testament.
In Genesis 14:18, He is called the king of Salem, the priest of the Most High God. He could not have been a human being. So we see that even in the first book of the Bible, the duality of God is shown. Paul described Him further in Hebrews 7:2-3:
//Whereas Jesus told disciples to baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.(Mat 28:
19).//
why Christ commanded the apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). It was not to substantiante a Trinity doctrine.
They were to baptize into the name of the Father because it is the goodness of God that brings us to repentance (Romans 2:4), and because the Father is the One “of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,” Ephesians 3:15 � in the name of the Son because He is the one who died for our sins, � in the name of the Spirit because God sends His Spirit, making us His begotten Sons (Romans 8:16). The “baptismal formula” of Matthew 28:19 means “into [Greek eis] the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit,” i.e., into the family of God.
Dear Albert, the Bible tells us who God is. Please look at these scriptures.
God IS A SPIRIT (John 4:24).
The SPIRIT OF TRUTH proceedeth from the FATHER (John 15: 26). Paul often writes the words “God the Father” (Galatians 1:1).
The HOLY SPIRIT is equal to and one with the FATHER. See Matt 28:19 “…baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” And see 2 Cor 13:14 “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.”
Question: Is the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) God, when John tells us that God is a Spirit?
Answer: Yes.
Question: What other verses can you find that teach the Holy Spirit is God?
Jesus said, I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.
Jesus said, …THAT YE MAY KNOW, AND BELIEVE, THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME, AND I IN HIM (John 10:38b)
Here are the three names of God. They are the Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Spirit. God is called Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All three are called God.
In Acts 5:3-4 the HOLY SPIRIT is called GOD. Therefore the Holy Spirit is God.
Thomas called JESUS “MY LORD AND MY GOD” (John 20:28). Therefore Jesus is God.
In John 20:17 we see that the Father is God. “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and to your God.” Therefore the Father is God.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The word of God in Romans 8:9 says “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his”.
This is why we believe in Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
If we do not have the Spirit who was given by the Father [John 14:16], and given through Christ’s intercession [John 14:16], who was sent in the name of Christ by the Father [John 14:26], who was sent by Christ from the Father [John 15:26], and who glorifies Christ [John 16:14], we are not of Christ!
John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Thus Apostle Paul writes in Colossians 1:27 “Christ in you, the hope of glory”.
You’d better believe it!
Father, Son and Holy Spirit are THREE PERSONS in ONE GOD. God bless you.
First read 1 cori. 7:1-7., in which it’s written it’s better not touching a women. Those who cannot resist their temptations should marry. Tpm doesn’t teach against marriage, but those who cannot (tpm ministers) control their lustful desires can marry, but ministers who wants to please Jesus should live like he doesn’t have wife (if married), it’s a service not a profession, like other Pentecostal ministers. Out of 12 deciples of Jesus one was a thief, that doesn’t mean remaining 11 are also sinners. Don’t adulterate the word of God and invite judgement.
Dear Sam Daniel,
Are you a robot which does not understand what is commonly understood? Why is it that you are not able to understand the explanation of Richard?
Please read the reply again before commenting from the scripture. In case you lost that, please click here.
Bro Sam Daniel/Samkutty,
At least read my response before you respond. The term “touching a woman” is a euphemism for sex. Every other translation other than the KJV rightly translates it as
“Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” (1 Cor 7:1)
The context of the above verse is sexual immorality. The whole chapter deals with a specific time and place in history when persecution was rife. I have repeatedly shown you that Paul himself says it was NOT A COMMAND FROM GOD. In any case this was to the whole congregation in general.
If you truly believe the 11 were not sinners, you haven’t understood man’s depravity and the need for a savior. Every disciple of Christ was a sinner and so are your precious “saints” that live faith homes. The best they can do is cover it up by wearing a white dress.
I have already given you a very lengthy response in the other article. Please read through that and respond if you have anything meaningful to say with a scriptural basis. Don’t keep parroting a verse from 1 Cor 7 without understanding its context.
As I already said, Paul’s advice to single men/women in the Corinthian church was NOT A COMMAND FROM GOD, but his own judgement. But do you know what the EXPLICIT COMMAND FROM GOD in the chapter was?
“To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband” (1 Cor 7:10)
How many times have TPM separated married men and women in the name of “consecration”? How many lives ruined on account of it? Yet you have the audacity to impose a random verse from 1 Cor 7 ignoring its context and audience(which wasn’t even a command from God) but have no problem with TPM openly defying a DIRECT COMMAND from God? Don’t you see the hypocrisy of it? TPM needs to repent for all the commands of God it has openly defied ranging from “tarrying meetings” to “mandatory celibacy” of church leaders thinking they know better than God-breathed word of God. Then, and only then can we see any change in this decaying institution.
Brother Sam Daniel,
Brother Richard has given the perfect scriptural reply to bro samkutty to your argument. Why can’t you read and understand?
This Sam Daniel and that Samkutty, Both are the same person.
I think, this Sam is TPM’s parrot who is chanting what he has been taught by the twisters of the scriptures. He needs to be taught some basics of Bible very clearly in a very simple language.
Any news on Bro Uday? I know him. Any issue work him too? I don’t think so as he is quite zealous for holiness.
Dear Rohit,
TPM is an organization which hides everything of everyone as long as someone is within it. But the moment someone quits they will leave no stone unturned to defame that person. You said that Uday Kumar is zealous for holiness. Yes, within the white everyone appears to be holy. You know there are sayings.
1. Sometimes saints in light are Satan in dark.
2. Everything that glitter is not gold.
So what’s teh comment on Bro Uday Kumar that was mentioned in the article? Was he involved in filthy things too? I can ring him up to check if you can get me details.
TPM says old testament saints won’t go to Zion or New Jerusalem and so many other places. If so, what is the place of GOD (Oh, Lord please forgive me) because God is there right from the old testament?
Dear Rhoti,
Plz don’t waste your time to call up Uday Kumar & make inquiries. Do you think that he would tell you the fact? It’s a fact that he did filthy things with Grace Masih. As long as the dress is white every thing is ok. With outward appearance one can deceive others but not God.
Bro. Anthony, it is true that if we call up someone to check if what is being said about them is true, no one would accept or take the blame. Perfectly fine. But I can understand Bro. Rohit’s concern. Uday kumar is a very popular worker brother who impresses everyone with his youthly zeal, specially the youths. His tryst with the 2004 Tsunami while staying at andamans is the reason people hold him in such high regards. It’s a different matter that I’ve heard some have this view that he was a coward to leave his fellow workers and run for his life. only God knows the truth. Another thing that leaves an impression on the local believers is when he undertakes construction works in the local church in order to beautify the “house of God”. Look at the current faith home in shanti nagar for that matter… look at dehu road.
Anyway, even I’d be interested in knowing if there are any real facts concerning Uday kumar or his behaviour. One i know, he is short-tempered and speaks bad words even with his fellow workers.
Recently heard that one Pastor Nelson from TPM Jammu center left the ministry. Can any one tell the reason.
From what we understand , it was a case of elopement.
How can a servant of God can take such decision after serving such long time. Is that his revelation was not right. What he taught during these years all are vain and false doctrines.
There are so many cases happening nowadays where workers are “falling from grace” (pun intended). I myself was a hard-core tpm-believer. Strange, why we call ourselves believers of a particular church and not Jesus-believer! 🙂
Well, all I can say of myself and probably for other people who leave the ministry even after loyally serving for many years is:
I once was lost, but now I’m found, was blind, but NOW I SEE…
Dear x-TPM
I have no objection with anyone being concerned to know certain things. What I said is that, TPM is an organization which will well defend anyone till he/she is in it. Look at Sunny George Issue-has he accepted his mistake? No! Not only he but even the organization is defending him. That’s why I said that there is no point in making inquiries. Anyone can show the outward Zeal for holiness with having all inward filthiness. There is no doubt about Uday’s case with Grace Masih & moreover he is an arrogant fellow.
😀 I completely agree!
Dear Peter
It’s true that Pastor Nelson left, not the ministry but a cult organization. All TPM people have been taught to label any x-TPM as fallen or left ministry. TPM think that their organization alone is a God-approved ministry. Pastor Nelson left that organization with a Punjabi sister. Still I won’t blame either Pastor Nelson or the sister but, I blame the dirty system of TPM where unmarried male -female live together. Don’t you think that this dirty system has swallowed many sincere people?
Though it’s shocking but, I appreciate Pastor Nelson who because of his pure conscience left the dirty organization instead of continuing in it like many hypocrites inside. There are many hypocrites still inside, who have practiced & still practising filthy things and living as saints. Pastor Nelson is still being upheld by God but there are many dirty ones inside like Saul, who are contninuing as saints though rejected by God.
Pas Kanagaraj photo was posted because there was proof and for this no evidence and we are publishing with low evidence? Will be good to name and shame. Few from here can be bold to ask and see the responses as a corrective measure.
Please share.
Sr Mary
People are so blind to understand that this 144k Zion bound group doctrine is a man made doctrine evolved in tpm only. It is surprising to note none of the early century apostles who walked with Jesus didn’t get a revelation on this, God has to wait till 1930s to reveal it to tpm saints. This is totally unscriptural, can you show any proof if Jesus or Paul spoken about a word about this 144 group. The whole system of celibacy, consecration, tpm system evolved from this Zion doctrine. Sister, Please go through the article mentioned by admin. You will get a better revelation on this.
Hi admin
Thank you for your efforts. After reading through all the articles I am out of tpm finally. I was already pissed of with their “holier than thou ” attitude. They are bunch of arrogant morons. After having read all your expositions I was quietly thinking on all things. You have gathered all there rubbish in one place and this gave me more than enough reasons to quit this fellowship of wicked hypocrites.
Dear Admin,
I’m a believer of this church and fully understand your views but my questions are
1. Are we there for TPM ministers or for Jesus?
2. Can you show me a denomination which is perfect? and I don’t think there one because from God’s own creation came Lucifer and his own disciple betrayed him, his own people killed him.
I’m not trying to cover TPM ministers in-fact I like sermons from Br Zac Ponnen(CFC church) but my point is bro we are all sinners and come short of the glory of God. Let it be TPM or any other church we just need to follow Jesus. I’m not a saint as-well and not worthy to advice you in any manner but just shared my thought. God Bless!
@Oscar
//1. Are we there for TPM ministers or for Jesus?
// Let it be TPM or any other church we just need to follow Jesus.
Are you following Jesus? If you are indeed following Jesus you should have disassociated with the fellowship of TPM way back.
//2. Can you show me a denomination which is perfect?
Why are you in search of a denomination? Which scriptures ask you to search for a denomination?
Dear Oscar,
Why can’t you stop attending tpm and prove that you are actually following Jesus freeely and not any organization ?
Take litmus test. Start donating your monthly tithe to needy independent pastors, instead of money hungry monks of tpm. Can you do this or are you looking for excuse? Attend communion service of other churches. Tell truth this truth to tpm and see if they want you to follow Christ in freedom and liberty or are they binding you with their rules kept on your neck.
Start reading literature from Christian scholars, listening sermons belonging to preachers of other denomination.
Do this for a year and see yourself whether you are following Jesus or religion of TPM. I bet you won’t be able to do this. If you are able to do this for one year, then you are freely following Christ and not any organization.
Dear Bro
Being stuck in TPM, I want to come out somehow.
Could you please recommend me book by Christian scholars that will help me in my Christian life
@Standing for truth
Dear brother,
I don’t think you need any books help to come out of tpm. You have to take firm decision! That’s all.
First you need to answer (to yourself), why you need to come out of tpm? Doctrinal reasons, false gospel, blasphemied, brainwashing, narcissistic delusional prophecies ? What is it that you have discerned as extremely harmful? Read articles in this website. Site has ample of reasons to convince you of how deceptive this org is. You need to be convinced. It’s not that you have to come out of tpm, it’s tpm that should leave you once and forever.
Also figure out what is keeping you in tpm? Is it family pressure, lack of any other option , or do you still think there is something good in tpm, you cannot get that good by yourself and you need support of tpm Minister for it?
Start by first becoming irregular. Go to Sunday meetings twice a month. Don’t attend any conventions. Slowly the habit will fade. Then one day you’ll feeling nothing irregular if you stop attending tpm.
Hope that helps.
In terms of leaving this organisation, i think Family pressure would be a big thing for many.. Children want to leave this organisation ..Parents dont want to leave …..Husband want to leave .. wife and chidren want to continue or vice versa. I feel many goes to TPM just for the sake of not dividing the family on a sunday morning on church basis. May be not to set a bad example before children. May be waiting for a right occasion to leave collectively…???
See videos of christian apologotics…@standingfortruth
Good ,it is a welcme sign to see that Samsundar of SEC’BAD centre is closely watching the deveopments that are taking through by asking his asking his close associates of the centre. With todays interactions one can easily see this site is showing the way to the true believers in Jesus as to how FOLLOW Him.
Bro’s,
Whatever mentioned above I do and it has nothing to do with TPM. I believe in personal relation with God and if he asks me to get out of this church one day I will…!!
Anyway’s very interesting blog about TPM which even I don’t know much 😀
God bless you all…!!
Brother Oscar
Did God asked you to get in tpm organization ?
Well said Oscar,
“I believe in personal relation with God and if he asks me to get out of this church one day I will…!!”
If you are truly saved, God will surely extract you out of this evil cult. Hope and pray that God will do that quickly, till then, your money and your time is going down the gutter to feed these liars.
//“I believe in personal relation with God and if he asks me to get out of this church one day I will…!!”
My Question is. How do you expect God to ask you to get out of this church?
Isn’t the Bible and His Spirit enough?
@Oscar”I believe in personal relation with God and if he asks me to get out of this church one day I will…
Oscar dear,for bringing this kind of ”REDEMPTIVE” measure amongst the saved souls ony ,the Spirit of God set up this blessed site.Well you are almost stepped out of this dangerous CULT by making this bold statement to these viewrers of this site.
Every believer has a high calling from the Lord, and God promises that if we act in faith, trusting him, he will bringthat plan to fruition. But as anyone who has walked with Jesus for any length of time can attest, following ourcalling means we will meet obstacles along the way.Joshua had provided strong leadership for the children of Israel after Moses died and the people trusted him. Yetwhen it came time to lead the people through the Jordan River into the Promised Land, God saw his need forreassurance and he spoke to him three times about being bold: “Be strong and courageous … Only be strong andvery courageous … Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not bedismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go” (Joshua 1:6-7, 9).
Well done dear. Keep it up.329 redemptive article pubished in this site as of now.We ‘ve got a new soul . Still so many FENNCE SITTERS are there. Can any of them make a bold statement of the one that made by Bro Oscar?
It ‘s real CHALLENGE.