We have been repeatedly exposing TPM for its double standards. They apply harsh standards on their hapless believers based on twisted interpretations. However, they have sub-categories within the system where their top ranking clergy is more than equal . Being insiders for long, we know that there has been gross abuse and it is the den of every filthy spirit and of all unclean birds, (Rev 18:2). It is high time the Judgement of God is upon this filthy organization which has deceived millions with its dangerous doctrine and double standards.
How immorality is treated among TPM Clergy
We know of lots of incidents where the life of many TPM Clergy is so immoral that even it is abhorrent among the heathen.
But among you, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed because these are improper for God’s holy people. Ephesians 5:3
Such immorality is a frequent thing in TPM. However, only a very few gets exposed. I should say that TPM has a very strong system of cover-up and they are blessed with very good actors and actresses. TPM has a unique way of dealing with this problem when it is exposed for the clergy. They think the blood of Jesus is ineffective. This unique way is called REMOTE TRANSFER. If a sexual or financial issue is exposed in a place, that Clergy is transferred to a distant center. That way this Tainted Saint is Re-sanctified to continue his lewd lifestyle with a new set of people ready for him. What a fantastic way to continue with their Hypocrisy and deceive people who are pulverized by their fear mongering.
Pastor Sunny George Issue.
In case you do not know who is this Pastor, let me tell you he is a smart guy who was the Middle East Centre Pastor for some time. He was running the TPM Show from the Dubai Area. This person had a special liking for young guys who are good looking. People did not think much about this unusual liking till now. But I smelt the unusual rat when he was in Thiruvalla and Ranni Center. But very recently a scam was exposed which brought to light his special tastes. As usual with such cases, the pastor was transferred from Dubai to Chennai and slowly eased out to Trichur to be the Center Pastor for Trichur. Currently, he is the Trichur Center Pastor. In all love I request the people of Trichur to be careful with their sons and their proximity to the new Saint in your area. He is now re-sanctified and is back to his comfortable position. He can enjoy his perverted lifestyle in a new place and keep giving you holy communions.
The Story
A few Months back a Worker minister named Jacob had voluntarily quit from TPM in Dubai because of some issues which were highlighted as “Doctrinal Issues”. We at fromtpm.com were quite puzzled because it’s not very usual for people to leave the organization for doctrinal issues which is their main handle for controlling of their laity. After some time, suddenly a transfer for Pastor Sunny was announced out of the blue. The supposed excuse was that his visa had expired. Come to think of it. TPM is very meticulous in many things and one of that is their Transfer Mechanism. How come Pastor Sunny’s Visa expiry was never on their radar? How come he was temporarily transferred to Chennai suddenly instead of a new Center which should have been predetermined? How come Thambi Durai had to get his visa processed after a good gap of time since Sunny returned? Hmm..The dead rat is getting stinkier by the day.
As usual, none of the believers and workers had the guts to say that the emperor is NAKED. They started acting in weird ways as nothing has happened. Now we are in receipt of a letter written by the said TPM Minister to the Chief Pastor about this issue. Below is the 4 paged letter for your reference. Please give some time for it to load if you have a slow connection. Please use a PC to browse the complete letter content. You can browse the pdf file using the page flip icons below the pdf file.
https://www.fromtpm.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Jacob-Letter.pdf
Conclusion
Dear Reader,
Some of you might be shocked and some not. However, We would like to repeat what we have been saying all along. It’s high time, you heed the Word of God as you might not get a second chance.
With a mighty voice, he shouted: “‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’ She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal. Revelation 18:2
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. Revelation 18:4
Be Blessed.
What a sad sad state this denomination is in. Let this serve as a reminder as to why God’s instructions are better than man’s ideas. Every single instruction pertaining to the qualification of church leaders has them married to a wife and leading an exemplary family life. Unmarried men and women living under the same roof is the breeding ground for sexual immorality. This sickens me. May God have mercy and deliver those imprisoned in this false church!
Dear brother. First of all if you are acting with a wrong intention, my point will never enter your mind. Regarding marriage, especially about servents of God, please read 1 cori. 7:1-7., in which it’s very clearly written, cori7:5 if you cannot control your lustful desires, do not give room to Satan to tempt you, be with your wife. In my opinion, such people are equal to worldly minded people and not worthy serve the lord, because M.D doctors can only teach MBBS students. It’s better not touching women., but if one cannot control himself let him marry leaving lords work.
Samkutty, I have been a “TPM believer” all my life. I FULLY understand why TPM teaches mandatory celibacy. I have in the past defended TPM practices and beliefs (in my utter ignorance of scriptures) using the very verses you have quoted here. So let’s look at those verses.
These are the questions we must ask regarding 1 Cor 7
1. Who is 1 Cor 7 addressing? Those who want to become church elders or the Corinthians church in general?
2. Does 1 Cor 7 give a reason for such a POV from Paul?
3. Are there other explicit verses in the bible that deal with the qualification of church elders?
1. To answer the first question, it is clear to anyone who knows to read that Paul is addressing the corinthian church as a whole. This chapter is NOT an advice to prospective elders/missionaries etc. He is telling the ENTIRE church to opt for a single life. The suggestion in 1 Cor 7 for single men to remain single IS NOT FROM GOD but rather Paul is giving his own judgement and Paul explicitly says so.
“I have no command from the Lord, but I give my judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. I think that in view of the present distress it is good for a person to remain as he is.” (1 Cor 7:25,26)
2. The above verse clearly lays out the immediate circumstances because of which Paul gives this advice to single men and women (again. This was a general advice for the church as a whole). It was because of the “present distress” which could have been anything ranging from a famine or the brutal persecution that the church was undergoing. So Paul says BECAUSE OF THIS PRESENT DISTRESS it is better to remain single. This is NOT a rule for “NT ministry”. To take a present day example, if Paul were alive today he would have written the same to the Syrian Christian community to save them from the heartache of losing a loved one and be focussed on God alone.
3. There are 2 places in scripture where the SAME PAUL lays out the qualification required for a church elder/overseer/bishop.
“If any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation [d]incurred by the devil. And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.” (1 Tim 3:1-7)
“So that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.” (Titus 1:5-9)
So we have EXPLICIT verses the deal with church elders that DEMAND from them a exemplary family life and you run to a chapter in 1 Cor 7 that doesn’t even deal with the topic at hand. Do you not see the blindness caused by TPM? We know for a fact that even Peter and the other apostles lived with their wives.
“Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?” (1 Cor 9:5)
//if you cannot control your lustful desires, do not give room to Satan to tempt you, be with your wife. In my opinion, such people are equal to worldly minded people and not worthy serve the lord, because M.D doctors can only teach MBBS students. It’s better not touching women., //
You do know that the phrase “touch a woman” in 1 Cor 7:1 is a euphemism for sexual intercourse, don’t you? This is what happens if you rely on the KJV alone without understanding the source texts. The first few verses talks about having a sexually active life within marriage to avoid sexual immorality. Do not view sex within marriage as “lust” or something unclean. It is a creation of God and within the context of marriage it is holy and pure.
You say people who marry are worldly. What a distorted view! The very apostles of Christ were married and as I said previously lived and traveled with their wives.
Richard, In this context let me draw your attention to married life and leading a holy life is something I am unable to understand. 2 Timothy 2:20-26. Please read this and revert. Titus 2:1-8. 1 peter 4:12-18. Pastor Sunny’s position explains in this.
Dear Sam Daniel,
Sorry to interrupt your thread of conversation, but I don’t understand your comment.
Can you please give more information?
Kind regards
Now before you say elder/bishop/overseer is not what TPM has but an “apostle”, let me say an apostle isn’t an apostle just because they claim to be. An apostle is the one who witnessed the resurrected Christ and were sent by Him with a message. TPM “pastors” claiming to be “apostles” doesn’t make them anymore of an apostle than a random guy on the street claiming to be Superman making him a Superman.
Biblically a local church had plurality of elders and the ones sitting in TPM “faith homes” can only be called as such since they claim to direct the affairs of the local church. The Greek term used in 1 Tim 3 is “episkopēs” and in Titus 1 is “presbyterous”. They both refer to the same office i.e elders.
This is made clear in Acts chapter 20.
“From Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called to him the elders(presbyterous) of the church. 18 And when they had come to him, he said to them…Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers(episkopous), to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.”
There is ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION that the qualification of church leaders are the ones mentioned in 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1.
Br. Samkutty!!
Concerning your MD teaching MBBS philosophy.
First of all, I Corn 7 is not about those in ministry. It is advice given by Paul to all normal believers of Church of Corinthians in response to their letter (1 Corn 7:1). Your analogy that MD doctors can teach MBBS is completely haywire. Nowhere in scripture it is written that only celibates can teach church about gospel or kingdom of God. Kindly provide any proof of it. And if you cannot then please come out of false such impressions created by TPM.
TPM clergies are bishops and deacons – not apostles.
In 1 Tim 3:2,5,12 Paul clearly mentions that bishops/deacons must be husband of one wife. In 1 Tim 3:5 he clearly says that those who do not know how to manage a house or family they cannot manage church. TPM clergy are no more than deacons and bishops who are supposed to manage a local church. Unlike Apostles who moved from city to city and village to village preaching kingdom of God, establishing new churches in places where there wasn’t a church (not a denominational organisation), TPM clergies are just like deacon and bishops having given responsibility to manage local group of Christians.
concerning your claim of need of MD teaching MBBS student.
All the truth necessary for edification of church is already laid down in bible. If all truth is revealed in scripture then what’s the point of your MD teaching MBBS analogy?
If you think otherwise that all the truth necessary for edification of truth is not revealed in scriptures then according to you bible is incomplete. Add your TPM doctrines to bible at the end of New Testament and publish it as new TPM Bible with deeper revelation given to unmarried people.
For your information let me know one doctrine which was not practiced before TPM came into existence.
For example consider your celibacy doctrine. It was preached and followed by RC and orthodox church 1000 years before TPM. That is nothing a special revelation given to any celibate whom you claim to be MD.
Divine healing was preached and made popular by Alexander John Dowie way before TPM came into existence. He was married person. He was not celibate.
Speaking in tongues (tarrying meetings) began in 19th century was before TPM by Charkes Paraham. Again he was not celibate.
Not wearing jewels and ornaments was practiced by Open Playmouth Brethren Cult way before TPM. They followed several rules which TPM incorporated by copying from them.
Dispensation doctrine is copied from Darby.
Tell me which doctrines did God reveal to your TPM saints just because they are unmarried. Except concept of NEW ZION, New Jerusalem, New Earth which were product of Alwynism all of TPM teachings rules and regulations are copied from somewhere. So what is the point in saying only MD can teach MBBS?
Excellent! TPM, the masters of plagiarism!
I Agree that a person can be single, and that it is even profitable for the furtherance of the Kingdom. However, it never says”leaving the work of the LORD.” NEVER!
(Bishops -epikepo)Pastors, Apostles, anyone overseeing others) Husband of One Wife faithful in all his house.
Have we not power to lead about amonth sister, a wife as the brethren of the LORD
James Judas/Jude or as Cephas/Peter. Who goeth to warfare anytime at his own charge.
For every man has his own gifting, one after this manner and another after that. You can oversee being single but, Marriage is acceptable in ministry of Apostles Prophetes Pastors Teachers Decons or any bishopric and/or ministry.
I attended everytime they had a US Convention in those days. I recieved the anointing which teaches me ALL THINGS that I need NOT A MAN to teach me. Which set me FREE/at Liberty from the bondage ofthe drugs well before I first attended. On this point, they are in Grave error. This was not just one problem.
It was the major problem. If You have strong desire to serve JESUS CHRIST With Your LIFE, Yet HE HAS NOT SUFFERED THE STRONG DESIRE FOR A LIFE MINISTRY PARTNER TO DEPART……… Then what. The end of that is forget JESUS because one can’t contain……….? The exact war I’ve fought! Seeking to quench my desire for JESUS CHRIST through a Yoke HE NEVER ORDAINED! If I need forsake my Wife for a season of life, HE who Sees and Speaks Peace to HIS People will let me know. Not a one size fits all doctrine. there are other ministers in history who trusted alone in God for healing and had very strong commitment. Many were Married. if you’re a single person wow how much less complicated life will be in so many respects. but one cannot deny that the scripture speaks about benefit of appointing a man that has Faithfully been married and raised up children, ordering his house after the Lord, to be the shepherd or overseer over HIS HOUSE. EVEN THE CHURCH. They’ve done me great damage in this area I pray they don’t have to suffer for it.
LOVE YAH!
Some 1500 years ago, Augustine of Hippo wrote “Who is not aghast at the sudden crevasses that might open in the life of a dedicated man? When I was writing this, we were told that a man of 84, who had lived a life of continence under religious observance with a pious wife for 25 years, has gone and bought himself a music-girl for his pleasure… If the angels were left to their own free-will, even they might lapse, and the world be filled with new devils (Statement of Augustine reproduced by John Piper in book Legacy of sovereign Joy).
The point that Augustine made is that you cannot trust human heart. It was the same point prophet Jeremiah made ages before, when he wrote “the heart is deceitful above all. Who can understand it?” But TPM preachers foolishly keeps reiterating “Who says that we cannot live Holy life” And then one day we hear it is brought before eyes of all to see that how possible it is by humans to meet the demands of God.
As the admin pointed he smelt rat some years back in Ranni & Thiruvalla center, it keeps me wondering how long has he been doing this? And while doing this behind the curtain he might have kept saying Zion Zion from the pulpit.
When will their puffing up come down? When will they realize that men cannot please God by works of the law. I hope it is God who is using this site to bring to light the wretched condition of human heart and its vain glory in its ability to please God.
The definition of Holiness is varied from age to age, from God to man.
When man defines what Holiness is, it is like creating a new age religion full of codes of ethics and will soon culminate into the New World Order.
This cannot happen without the co-operation of religious systems. So, here we see the grace of God has turned into licence by those who think they are ‘holy’
Reminds me of Ted Haggard
What is the authenticity of the above letter?
Its written by someone who has left TPM. That casts doubts on the intention of the letter. Why don’t you post portions of the video with the faces of the people masked or covered and unwanted portions covered to prove your claim?
Anyone can write such letters and post them?
I know you will refute me with harsh words or claim that I am wrong. But it is your duty to prove your claim reasonably with valid proof and not with such proof that cannot stand any test.
Haha..So you want us to make this as a porn site by posting such videos. Sorry Sir, we are not into that business.
The authenticity is proved by our internal team which has confirmed and authenticated from different sources. That is the precise reason we were delayed in publishing it.
Want further proofs?
Ask Pastor Abraham who is a master in hiding many such cases still within TPM. We rest our case.
Thomas, The letter isn’t vague. The attention to detail in the letter is striking. A made up letter would have been vague. Instead, this letter lists the names of everyone involved in the scandal, even the name of the guy who shared the video with Jacob. If you are really want to verify it personally, just ring up the individuals mentioned in the letter.
Scripture says,
“Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning. I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.” (1 Tim 5:19-21)
Dealing with the case of incest, Paul instructs
“You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.” (1 Cor 5:2)
Clearly there were more than 2 or 3 witnesses in this case. Was he rebuked before the congregation? No. Was he removed? No. Clearly shows TPM is not in the business of following the bible but protecting the name of a man-made denomination. What is the point of parroting “we follow the bible, we follow the bible” when in reality you don’t?
The details do not prove the case. Nor the vaguness can prove.
The authenticity of the letter can never be verified.
People who go out from any organization will try to throw muck at the organization. Same may be the case with the guy who is exposing this letter. His intentions cannot be genuine and as such his letter cannot be taken at face value.
Thomas, since you doubt the authenticity of this letter, why don’t you verify it with the individuals mentioned in this letter? If the letter was forged, why would it mention the names of ALL the individuals related to the incident? It seems counter productive.
So according to you, Sunny just randomly got transferred to Trichur and then out of the blue the centre pastor of Bangalore got transferred to Dubai?
Admin said he did his best to authenticate this letter. That’s all we can do as humans. Sure, take it with a pinch of salt. But is it really that much of a stretch that such things happen in TPM when even the most gruesome of murders are also covered up? Please don’t live in denial. TPM is rotting on the inside, yet showing itself to be the purest denomination. Wake up!
It seems the boy was videographing the incident since a long time. If he gives out the video he also will be exposed before others as a homosexual. No one will normally try to expose themselves. What was his intention? He is not a minor to be coerced by some person into such forced sexual acts. No one compelled him to go to the pastor on Thursday evenings regularly. If one does not have money, then that person cannot do sexual acts to earn money. If someone does that then such people are called prostitutes (whether male or female). ‘He needed money’ was a funny excuse. Everyone in the world needs money. That doesn’t allow them to sell their bodies. After continuing for so many months why would he go and confide in some other person? Why doesn’t he directly oppose the advancements of the pastor? Is he not strong to overpower the aged pastor? Why doesn’t he put the pastor to open shame by locking him or tying him to the bed? As pastor has turned blind these few years, he will never be left alone without someone to take care of him.
Considering all the circumstances, it seems the boy might be one of the agents of this site or someone from this site to tarnish the image of TPM .
I can write letters with great detail – same as the above letter – but who will verify the contents of the letter – How can we be sure of the details of the letter.
The other possibility is equally probable – the boy came to steal money from the pastor’s room and when he couldn’t he accused the pastor of immoral activities.
Some of the reasons quoted in the letter are seemingly trivial like transfer of pastor sunny. Transfers are normal routine in TPM and Pastor Sunny was transferred after a long 6 years in dubai which is not reasonable.
Pastor Thambidhurai who has never been in Middle east has to be given time to get a visa.
This transfer was effected
1. because of the death of another centre pastor and
2. because pastor sunny who has become blind needs the assistance of another person to travel or do anything.
When you judge, judge with reason. Not with a biased mind.
Thomas, You can either believe the writer of this letter (who in fact quit TPM ministry because of this incident) or TPM. If the pastor was the victim, I don’t see why Jacob would quit. If Jacob had another reason to leave the ministry, he would have simply left without making a fuss (many many leave ministry and we hardly get to hear about it).
You can either believe TPM (who are masters of cover up. Incidents involving Alwin, John Thomas etc) or you can believe Jacob who from what I can see is trying to going out of his way to make his point clear by giving us all the details needed if we want to personally verify his words.
BTW transfers are decided during major conventions not out of the blue. I’m judging with reason. I choose not to believe a denomination that has lied time and again to save face.
//It seems the boy was video graphing the incident since a long time. If he gives out the video he also will be exposed before others as a homosexual. No one will normally try to expose themselves. What was his intention?//
It seems pretty obvious that boy felt pity for the brother that he wasn’t allowed to keep even 10 dirham? So he went on to the brother to show the video to show the true nature of so called pastor Sunny! Ans shocked at finding truth the brother left ministry when he found the system corrupt. The boy did cannot reveal that video on internet to show his homosexuality to all. No one would do that. This is quite clear. Doesn’t require much intelligence to sort this out. On the contrary it requires foxy mind to prove guilty as innocent. Kindly read Prov 17:15 before justifying wickedness. Anyways I have a question for you.
Why do Center Pastor keep all the money in his pocket & in his wardrobe? Why don’t they keep Faith Home money in Banks like we all normal people do? Just to hide from government? Just to shun away from paying tax? Only the black money keepers keep it in their home. Why do Center Pastor’s try to control every penny received by every other worker? If the money is given to any smaller brother, Center Pastors take it from him. Center Mothers keep all the money received by sisters when they go for visiting. Why don’t they follow Jesus? Jesus kept the money with Judas Iscariot. He kept the money with his disciples. Why does TPM behave so secretly with money? Why do not they have transparent system? In other churches they have treasury made up of members of the church. They share the details of money received and spent with members who contribute it in general body meetings. Everything is quite clear if you think rightly. Otherwise keep defending your foxy organization.
Thomas,
What do you want to establish? Pastor Sunny is above God like many of your saints think of themselves. Then you also write a letter mentioning various people with specific details like the one published in the site. Let see how the affected people will respond? Here various people mentioned in the letter are still alive and very much in the respective places. Then why can’t you ask them about the veracity of the letter?
Even after committing the most heinous sins these people are still holding the bible and talk about Zion. What a pathetic situation in this most dreaded and devilish organisation. If Pastor Sunny is a sincere worker immediately he should have stop the preaching.
Thomas,
I have been reading these blogs for some time now and never commented about anything else. Except for this matter, where as usual everyone wants a proof.
The fact of the matter is, its a true incidence, its a true hand written letter and many people are aware of it here in Dubai and maybe in the GCC.
The reason why the boy / boys ( there are at least 5-7 boys) went through with this act is only money, Its a complete plan to trap these young boys, till it becomes an abuse. Why the boys did not turn in the VDO or complain to govt authorities here is because its a crime punishable with a death penalty. This is a well know fact in middle east. One of the boys is in medical care now due to the abuse.
Inspite of all this hide and seek by the leaders, the proof has reached the Dubai church authorities.
So anyone seeking proofs can get it from there and thereby be a guarantor to the party in crime. Because you will need to give a reason for asking for evidence. The same way you are asking here !!
Considering the way things are happening in India. This is a very small matter to handle for these so called Servants of God, but this is Dubai not India. Till the point where the details reach the cops and probably the whole church shuts down.
Request everyone to pray for the sheep in this land, some have enough to spare, some have none. And coming to a worship on a friday is the only solace some have to quench the spiritual thirst. But Alas !!
Dear Zameer J,
I am extreamely saddened by the various developments happening inside different faith homes all over the world.
Can you shed some more light into this treacherous act of Pas Sunny George? How can the believers of Dubai TPM church still worship inside the faith home or they are least bothered about all these things. As this site regularly point out “are all are really brainwashed”? I have serious doubt about myself now? I don’t know what to do?
I have heard that recently in Andhra/Telengana one sister’s body was exhumed and conducted postmortem, and found that she was pregnant. Can anyone give some more clarity? What is the condition of the faith home? Whether police took over the faith home and the premises?
Brother i guess this article might not fit your reasoning …There are some people like you..So not at all surprising. Luke 16:31
The person who wrote the letter is to be rightly justified as he may not write these facts unless he is fully convinced the matter. He left tpm because of this incident and not that he left earlier and wrote this letter. Do you mean that anything happened detrimental to the sanctity and holiness of the Word of God would be winked at even if it is committed by a Senior Pastor….??
Brother Richard and Thomas,
I hear from one source that you may not be able to verify the correctness of the contents anymore by talking to those TPM Inmates. The Deputy Chief Abraham Mathew has taken upon himself the responsibility of Re-Sanctifying Sunny. He Physically landed secretly in Dubai for a meeting with the Faith home Inmates and warned them of dire consequences if they open up their mouth against Pastor Sunny in any way.
I feel sorry for those inmates who has signed up for Holy Faith Home life. What a wasted birth?
Theocratic Warfare continues.
Dear Admin,
Please do not mind me pointing out that ‘Richard’ has always defended the Bible and has spoken out against TPM doctrines whenever he was moved to.
Perhaps ‘Richard’ himself can revalidate my understatement.
Agree..I wrote to Richard and Thomas as Richard was asking Thomas to get it confirmed with the people mentioned in the letter. So if Thomas asks the TPM Inmates NOW, he may get a reply like “Nothing of that kind happened”. So my comment was to the friends engaged in that bit of conversation. However, it should be taken as a comment for all who would like to ask the TPM ministers whose name was quoted in the letter.
Sir,
It is impossible to get any formal confession in TPM- The only way is the ones close to the scene need to be reassured that their names will not be brought out. In this case, names were spilled, so much more will be their profound diplomatic silence.
I appreciate you writing this article, as it is a reminder to every flesh & blood homosapien that it is better to marry than to burn.
It is better for them to willfully let go of every worker who desires to leave, with grace. There will be no more taboos, no more hypocrisy.
This will be one of the mini-steps the leadership should propose as a full and final offer. Then there be some kind of an emotional repair which happens.
‘Being a worker is like being in jail. One fine day, you will become accustomed to the jail behaviour and you might end up with Stockholm syndrome when the magistrate lets you free’
Absolutely I agree. At this stage, I do not even expect a diplomatic silence as that would establish the case for an intelligent person. I would now expect these people to start denying it and propagating new twists about enemies of Sunny doing it.
How true of the words of our Lord
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Who say to the seers, “You must not see visions”; And to the prophets, “You must not prophesy to us what is right, Speak to us pleasant words, Prophesy illusions.
For those who turn justice into wormwood And cast righteousness down to the earth.”
Therefore the law is ignored And justice is never upheld. For the wicked surround the righteous; Therefore justice comes out perverted.
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.
“They make night into day, saying, ‘The light is near,’ in the presence of darkness.
Be careful, then, that the light within you is not darkness.
They speak mere words, With worthless oaths they make covenants; And judgment sprouts like poisonous weeds in the furrows of the field.
Do horses run on rocks? Or does one plow them with oxen? Yet you have turned justice into poison And the fruit of righteousness into wormwood,
If they let go off their ministers to marry, almost all of them will leave except for the oldies.For them, their organization is more important than Jesus or his words.
There is an English saying
Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely
TPM will go from Bad to worse. They have tasted the blood of Power. They will never let go off their power base(dumb believers and their money) and its instruments(workers)
if this blog claims to be Bible based, what is this Theocratic Warfare based upon?
@Counter Admin – It appears that you are in great pain, can you please tell what exactly is bothering you so that it can be addressed.
Dear Thomas
I know that you are a TPM hardnut that cannot be broken. You seem to be madly in love with this rotten organization. What more proof you need other than the names clearly mentioned in the letter to authenticate the matter. People like you, those who leave (TPM) the immoral organization are wrong and those who continue in the immorality inside are still saints. You strongly support your organization rather than God & His pure words. You either teach or taught by the self-proclaimed saints of TPM to call the people fallen who quit the CULT (TPM). But remember for a blind everywhere & everything is dark; therefore you plz try to understand who you are. As the admin has said I too would say that your condition is just what is mentioned in Mathew 13:14.
So Bro Mathews you are saying that there’s no hidden activities in your life and you (and your colleagues) are 100% perfect with no scope for any one to point out any mistake including God.
Not sure if you are looking at Jesus or you looking at a person.
Why do people who leave an organization they work, crib about the organization where they worked? I am sure you also would have done the same.
So you’re supporting the activities of the pastor and Justifying it actually. So his activities doesn’t bother you… What bothers you is that this was brought out to the public.
Full marks for your hipocrisy Mr. Rai G
Praise The Lord Bro.
Even though I accept most of your blogs.
Pastors like Joel Das and Pas. Durai are the reason im in this church.
I greatly rejoice in the messages given by them.(basically came from hindu family)
Never seen such a holy person like Pas.Joel, i dont think you have anything against him. Do you?
Because of one or two culprits in the church we cant judge the whole church and not so easy to leave the church. In case if i come out of church which one is the true church which i can follow.
I listen to Pas.Joel and Pas. Durai messages everyday. This is really comforting me in my hard times through God’s word preached by them.
It was because of you we got to know about various scandals which is authentic i beleive which i accept not everyone is perfect in the church.
Brother
We are not against any individual TPM minister.As you might have noted, our issue is basically with TPM doctrines, their practices and their pride/attitude.
We are not against even Pastor Sunny or Pastor Shyam Sundar. These are just people who are manifestations of the cancerous environment they are living in. The only remedy is to throw this deceptive doctrine and go back to the Bible in all sincerity.
I want to know about pastor Shyam sunder what he has done? I don’t understand what’s happening inside TPM I’m attending in D.c faith home ,and I came to know that other faith home has been closed In Maryland what’s the reason behind that seems we’re in a confused state
Dear Bala
Don’t know about the closure of the Mary land faith home. But about Shyam Sunder there are so many things. He is a man of superstition and he is always afraid of witchcraft. He is a kind of extortioner who grabs money from his subordinates by force. He covets glory & praise for himself. He brags much about his false consecrations & tastings. In short he is a hypocrite & fraud.
Oh Really, We’re all blinded thought that god has given him a talent which only few has like writing songs and all thnx bro for letting me know and can you inquire about why the faith home has been shut down the
@bro bala
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/04/03/amway-marketing-and-pagan-practices-in-tpm/
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/03/23/false-visions-and-dreams-in-tpm/
Brother Bala, Shyam Sunder heads song composition team for Telugu & Hindi hymns. This doesn’t mean he is the one who writes entire songs. Somebody close to him will tell you the reality that he used to ask few of the believers to bring new tunes to him. Finally he would select one tune and a team of brothers/sisters including Weseley anna (delhi), sister mercy then would gather to complete the song. He makes it appear as one man show, however in truth it is team work (lyrics mostly composed by believers). Come to delhi few weeks before Delhi convention to watch what exactly happens during these sessions.
Good idea, lets throw away this blog too and go back to Bible. No blog is above the Bible
I know brother that this blog is giving you sleepless nights. Just do one thing. Close the browser window tab and the blog will not bother you.
Anonymous, scandals such as these are the symptoms of a much deeper problem in TPM. TPM stands on human tradition rather than the word of God(same as the Catholic church). Tradition usurps scripture. This is why we see none of the exclusive TPM doctrines are based in scripture. The source of such teachings are supposed personal revelations received by TPM pastors.
Sure, listen to the sermons by TPM pastors. But read scripture by yourself and see if what they teach is biblical. Don’t just take their word for it. Listen to teachers outside TPM on the same subject(I would recommend you listen to sermons by people like Zac Poonen). See whose teachings are more consistent with scripture. If you only listen to one source, you won’t have any basis for calling TPM right. God has given us scripture in our own languages. Let us use every available tool to get the intended meaning of the original writers. God bless.
People who discourage free usage of mental faculties to research Scriptures like the Bereans, can never be called Holy. At best, they can be called ethical/ moral/ radical.
Holiness is not a curtain raiser feat or a super- human performance. Holiness can never contradict the word of God or claim attention to itself.
The church as an institution was promoted in order to evangelize and draw non Christians to Christianity.. But as the role of the Church diminished into fight for approval, the charismatic movement swept one and all with signs and wonders.
TPM in itself is Charismatic and thrives on pyrotechnics (Tarrying meeting ecstasy) and boastfulness.
The day the mission acknowledges that it is indeed far away from God, will be the day of healing.
Until then the circus of Holy men and Holy fans will cheat themselves until people lose faith in Christianity. When the Son of Man comes, He will not find faith on earth- means our faith would have been invested in holy men who cannot keep at it for long.
Brother anonymous,
Holiness is not external, its internal. Those pastors may be good people. Based on scripture be a berean and analyse their preaching whether it is true to Word of God or to establish the hegemony attitude of the rotten organization (I am borrowing the fabulous interpretation of brother Mathews) called tpm. Anything against scripture is unholy.
Finally who are we to give the title “saints” to men. Please don’t try to steal the prerogative of GOD.
Please listen some other preachers like Zac Ponnen also.
Since you brought up Durai, Please read this article from way back from October 2016. Until I was in my 20s all I listened my whole life was TPM messages. So I assumed there can be no other preachers out there that can match the biblical insight and understanding of TPM pastors. Later when I started rejecting the exclusivity of TPM, I discovered most TPM “sermons” come from really poor biblical exegesis. They are into numerology and assign random meanings to OT elements to show themselves as having “deeper” understanding. Below article is about a sermon by Durai.
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2016/10/29/servants-of-god-are-physicians/
If this is a true matter …it’s a sad thing to know all these happened in Dubai..
Brother this Sin of Sodom is the result of over-luxury enjoyed by these so called servants of God.
Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me...” The Hebrew word translated “detestable” refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an “abomination.” Similarly, Jude 7 declares, “…Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.” So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.
The cause of this homosexuality is nothing other than the symptoms mentioned by Ezekiel.
Henry, it happens everywhere including Chennai in one form or other.
Some people CHOOSE not to believe what stares them in the face because they will have to DO something. Under the denominational spirit of TPM such people unquestionably follow their leaders, and the Holy Spirit is quenched.
The white-clad celibate “form of godliness” in TPM is exposed.
But the Bible teaches that the Lord is a God of mercy, and grace. It is of the Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed in our sinful wickedness. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Great is his faithfulness.
This revealing of the sin of Sodom amongst the clergy of TPM into the open light is truly his grace at work for repentance and renewal amongst the clergy.
This is a God-given opportunity for TPM to get right with the Lord and obey his commandments for building his church aright.
This is a time of testing of faith for TPM.
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.
BECAUSE this know also [2 Tim 3: 1-9] that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their’s also was.
Dear Thomas
As I told it earlier, you have made up your mind to defend the TPM & it’s corrupt ministers. For you God, His purity, His truth are meaningless but,TPM & its self-proclaimed saints are much more important. I know that if the same Pastor Sunny George had left the ministry you who are defending him now would have approved all what is mentioned in the letter and poured much more barrage of evil than what has been said in the article. Your system has taught you to defend any type of culprit as long as he/she is in the organization but defame the one who leaves it even though he/she is morally, ethically & spiritually right.
My dear Thomas I think there is no point in arguing with you because you have set your mind to stand with your stinking organization. No one with a sound mind would sit in the garbage and say “wow! What a pleasant fragrance”. You plz continue with your garbage system & enjoy the stink.
Great Interpretation brother Mathews.
Dear Mathew,
This is not the right way to prove anything. Your site’s allegations have been based on some letter whose authenticity cannot be verified.
The reasons mentioned in the letter seem to flimsy.
The boy’s intentions are questionable.
Transfers are not new but a norm in routine.
These are the points I put forth. Defend your allegations and prove them. Other than that you allege something and then close your eyes and ears and scream that what you allege alone is TRUTH.
Listen to other people and prove your allegations. I dont defend any organization or individual. At the same time i cannot stand people bringing baseless allegations.
If the contents of this letter are true then this pastor must be excommunicated.
There’s no other solution but to set an example of him.
Dear Thomas
The site has not written a baseless article but they have attested the letter addressed to the chief clergy of TPM. You keep saying that it’s a false allegations to tarnish the image of someone. In fact we don’t have any doubt about what is made public. The site has done it’s best to bring all the dirty things happening inside the system which you blindly believe. If you doubt the authenticity of the article then I would suggest that you should go to the chief clergy of TPM & ask him what is this all about.
I doubt the authencity of the Letter. When someone brings an allegation it is their duty to prove its authenticity. Not the responsibility of the one who denies it. Why dont you prove beyond any doubt about the validity of the letter.
As I mentioned earlier, letters can be forged and doctored – the letter published here doesnt have a seal, or signature or anything to cross verify. The letter will not stand any test.
True, the letter is fake and also this site.
Deceitfully they want to bring down those who are in christ because they have fallen like lucifer and doesnt want others to enjoy their life in Christ.
Ritchie ‘Deceitfully they want to bring down those who are in christ because they have fallen like lucifer and doesnt want others to enjoy their life in Christ’
That exactly speaks about you and your consecrated saints. Thank God we are liberated and enjoying the freedom which is in Christ Jesus and sincerely pray that you and your clan who are sold to this slavery would be liberated too. God Bless you.
Exactly!!! This post, the drafted letter and this website itself are all the works of Satan. Very soon this website, so called ADMIN & other filthy posting idiots shall be ashamed.
//Very soon this website, so called ADMIN & other filthy posting idiots shall be ashamed.//
Haha….. Haha……prophet in making !?
Bro Denzel as you pointed our earlier it looks like people like Thomas and RG are paid trolls by TPM. Like their “saints” they just seem to be barking the same thing again and again without any ground. BTW, the so called TPM doctrinal books (devils bible) published by your clergy doesn’t seem to have any signatures or names?
Dear Daniel,
The issue runs deeper than you and I can ever understand. A wrong fear from the wrong spirit can make a million Christians out of thin air- just like the Romans did to Christianity 1800 years ago. It will need tremendous grace of God to liberate such souls.
Here we see RG & Thomas, who have the pre-eminence in the Church, preferring to downplay it, just because its convenient to demand proofs or ask us to mind our own business.
They may not be wrong from an ethics perspective, but they will be seen as complicit in the eyes of the Lord- partaking of others sins.
I wish to write a long comment about religious economics, relating that to Babel, but in the flurry of these topics, it might seem out of place.
I think the best way for this to end is TPM acknowledges that they deviated from the WORD long ago. It might be a permanent damage, but this will be the gateway to healing as well. (Remember Achan’s stoning venue is also called Valley of Hope)
My heart goes out to the lacs of Biblically illiterate Christians who will realise that they were being fooled in the name of Zion.
I know of a simpleton senior worker sister who was asked to leave the ministry because she uttered ‘I will hang myself’. She was forced to leave and they made it look like it was voluntary. The reasoning behind her sacking was that she uttered a sentence unbecoming of a Christian.
The real victims are not arm chair apologists like RG/Thomas, but poor innocents who have no family or moral support.
If there is sin in the Church, they hide it under the carpet, not because they feel no guilt, but they do not want the masses to get demoralised.
I want TPM to continue, but with the word as its basis, and great will be her consolation.
The Bible very clearly says that no branch can survive if it claims exclusivity and has no connection with the stump.
Why are doctrinal books not reviewed? Was not the Bible itself reviewed atleast 23 times in the space of 1200 years…. We need to ponder.
Apologies to all if I may have hurt anyone- Peace.
Brother Thomas,
Have you seen the SEAL and SIGNATURE of the author in the Epistle to the Hebrews? If yes, please do show it to us as well. If NO, How did you believe it?
Thomas,
I accept and appreciate you asking for a proof and authenticity of some message…it is required obviously to believe something…
Now I ask you…
Do you apply this simple logical all the time and everywhere in your life???
Because you believing or not believing this letter will not going to affect your eternity directly…
But what about the doctrine of Divine healing,Zion,other Tpm doctrines that brought about in 19th century through some man …
What is the authenticity of His message??
What is the proof of His message that is from God??
He could have came up with the message out of His own mind or even from evil spirit…
How did you come to conclusion of this Tpm doctrines are from God ???
How was you given proof and authenticity from GOD???
Since these messages are proclaimed to be from GOD…
Did you personally receive proof and authenticity from the living God about Tpm doctrines???
Since my questions are direct…i need direct ANSWERS …
Bro Congnizance,
Did I tell you anything about Divine Healing, Zion ? No! Never! I never argued about them.
Again and again I say to you and your admin that, if you allege something prove it beyond doubt. Not with a flimsy letter which can be easily a forged or doctored one.
Do not show a just letter and go to lengths to prove that it is authentic.
Instead do not ask for proof from me for divine healing – because I am not aksing you to believe it nor do I tell you what’s my stand on divine healing.
When you go to the court to sue your neighbour,the court will ask you a proof. That time will you ask the judge to answer you directly like as you ask me.
You and your friends are alleging something. Prove it. I will most gladly accept the proof it is authentic.
Dear Thomas,
It is well obviously to anyone…who reads my comments why those questions were asked…but i am surprised How could you not understand the core of the matter…
I am not bothered about you believing the letter but how about your double standard life. If someone(apart from Tpm Clergy) says something it needs to be proven however whatever rubbish Tpm Clergy proclaims you will humbly accept it not even looking for the references in the Bible….
I am not literally asking you to believe everything by its face value rather examine and prove it…
I am simply asking you to apply same logic everywhere(includes both Tpm and Fromtpm)…
You are not asked to believe whatever posted here blindly but rather search the Scriptures for yourself with the help of the Holy Spirit God…
LET ALL MEN(Includes Tpm clergy,fromtpm,you and me) BE A LIAR, GOD ALONE BE TRUTH…
Let the Spirit of Truth guide us into All Truths …Amen
Whoever has posted this should consider the below, Let me make my point clear that I’m not justifying anyone but want to say that it’s better to justify our lives first and set right our shortcomings before critising a church and others.
Further, Ministry in TPM is a concecrated ministry and God does honour the concecration they have made. These types of uncluttered and unclivilised posts proves who you are and your nature.
TPM has its rights to file a legal case against these types of posts. However, as TPM does not take such measures it has become a upper hand for these jobless people to comment and do all such things.
Many verses are there to prove all doctrines of TPM, but it’s not my responsibility as these critises are into the critising evil sprit. So, how much it’s explained it will not be understood.
Remember one thing that we all should stand before the throne of judgement staring from the house of God. Think where you wil stand on that day? How is ur relationship with God?
I conclude me words by saying, follow the word of God and God not the church. Be a member of a church as fellowship is important but build your life with God.
I will not post anything back or respond. One thing is sure, Gods judgment will be upon those to do such things against Zion.
Regards,
Thomasbk, who do you think will have no excuse on the day of judgement? Someone who turned a blind eye to sin in the church or someone who calls out sin in the church in the hopes that they repent? Someone who turns a blind eye to heresy and false doctrines or someone who uses scripture as the authority to point the false teaching in the church?
You seem to be thoroughly brainwashed by tpm. Instead of repeating the party line “many verses prove all doctrines of tpm”, you should have instead gone ahead and proven it in the various articles of this site. Something tells me you have nothing more to add than repeat that slogan like a robot.
No, tpm’s doctrines are not from the bible, but from the brains of tpm pastors like alwin who cooked up fantasies to benefit himself. That is the very reason we have not had a SINGLE tpm believer prove any of tpm’s doctrine with scripture since this site began. All they have is slogans and one liners to hide behind.
You also said the ministry of tpm is consecrated. I challenge you to find that word in the New Testament.
In the mean time read 1 cor 5 where Paul asks the CHURCH to deal with the man who was in an incestuous relationship. Read 1 Tim 5 where Paul instructs to bring a charge against an elder if there are 2 or 3 witnesses. You want to live in a fantasy land where you want everyone to turn a blind eye to sin and openly disobey scripture. Be sure that none of us will do that. To us, what scripture says is more important than your man made organization.
As for filing a legal case, let them first finish paying the cops for covering up Kanagaraj’s murder. Then they can spend those valuable tithe money on something else like filing a legal case against their critics.
I’m sure you will not respond. You have no answer from scripture because you are not on the side of scripture, but on the side of a human organization that only knows to twist scripture and to run away when questioned. TPM has taught you well. May God open your blinded eyes.
Thomas, I’ve stayed in TPM long enough and I can truly say that the actual jobless people are the TPM “consecrated” clergy who shamelessly live a king life by subtly swindling money from hard working people. By the way, I had a good chuckle by reading your sentence about many verses which support TPM doctrines – sorry brother, they are thoroughly based on a different bible called “deeper truths” (doctrines of devil) written by giving heed to seducing spirits by people like Alwin
Dear Daniel J
Why dont you prove based on Bible rather thank chuckle at the verses which i have quoted. And I have quoted them from Bible and not as you suppose from any different Bible. Can you prove that I have quoted from a different Bible or the doctrines of devil as you allege. This shows how proud you are. You assume you guys alone know the Bible and whoever quotes it is from devil’s doctrine. Can you show me one place where I have quoted one line from any other book except the Bible?
You have closed your eyes and ears and you scream only what you know is the true Bible.
If you can counter those quotes – you counter them but no need to call any quotes as devil’s doctrine.
Whatever fits your convenience is Bible and the rest is devilish – Very good mentality
You have not quoted a single verse affirming the exclusive tpm doctrines.
I didn’t say I have quoted any verse here.Daniel is alleging that I am quoting from the devil’s doctrines. Daniel is alleging so many things like quoting from devil’s doctrines (deeper truths) and that he is chuckling over the verses which i have quoted. I have quoted verses for some other articles and not for this letter.
The only article you had quoted verses was in the article titles “heresies in TPM – part 2” in which you affirmed the heresies of the tpm English hymn by quoting verses out of context and without understanding the implication of that heretical hymn. And the verses you quoted were thoroughly refuted and you haven’t responded yet.
If I quote , it is out of context. If you quote it is divinely inspired. Oh what a nice idea. Refute my quote directly. Prove how it is wrong. The Bible decides to call people saviours. Jesus Himself tells, John 10:34, 35 – people unto whom the word of God came, are called gods in the law. Did Jesus quote out of context?
Dear Thomas,
Jesus is quoting “Is it not written in your law… Ye are gods?” from Psalm 82.
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Verse 2 and 8 shows that the gods are those who judge.
The psalmist says that the judges/the leaders have not executed just judgement; they accept the persons who do wickedness, and don’t judge the poor, fatherless, the needy with mercy; so the psalmist asks God to judge.
Jesus is convincing the Jews of their unbelief, their apostasy, their hypocrisy, their unrighteousness.
The Apostle Paul writes in 1 Cor 8:
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge:
Jesus reminded the Jews that God the Father has sanctified him, the Son of God, to be the ALL SUFFICIENT SAVIOUR.
There are many called to ‘save’ others from unrighteous judgement, but there is ONLY ONE GOD THE SAVIOUR- Jesus Christ the Lord.
May God grant this knowledge to all peoples. God bless you.
Dear Brother Thomas,
May i kindly ask you why have you quoted John 10: 34,35…
What is the deeper Truth are you trying to reveal through your divine revelation??
Appreciate if you would details us your message….
Brother Thomas,
The word “rock” has two meanings. When I say that my house is built upon rock it means different than when I say I am hearing rock music. To conclude what I mean by word “rock” you must read my whole sentence. You must take context in consideration to understand what I am trying to say.
When Bible uses word saviour for men and God, then the word does not mean same in both cases. It’s meaning depends upon the sentence using that word saviour. Saviours in Obadiah might mean people who proclaim the gospel of salvation. Saviour used for Jesus means that Jesus saved us from punishment by himself bearing our iniquities on himself.
We have already said that had TPM used saviour in context of gospel proclamation then we would have not questioned TPM. However looking at entire song no 385, doctrines, teachings of TPM, it is clear that TPM teaches that they bear iniquity of men. The line in 5th stanza says ” saviours bearing men’s iniquity….” So what the song and doctrines of TPM mean by saviour when they call themselves saviour is clear. They say they bear punishment of God on behalf of bekievers, so that punishment might not come upon believers. This is blasphemous.
Can’t you understand this. Tell me how can TPM bear your sins and punishment??
Thomas, You did quote those verses out of context to justify a blasphemous hymn. The correct context was laid out before you and didn’t have an answer. Let’s try that again. In defense of that hymn you quoted the following
1. Obadiah 1:21 : They are saviors in the sense that they proclaim the gospel, not in the sense that they had any part in the atonement. The hymn uses the term “saviors” to mean TPM pastors have an active rule to play in atonement, salvation and justification.
2. Col 1:24 – I have clearly shown you that in the context of Paul’s words, what was lacking in Christ’s suffering was the presentation of the gospel to those who weren’t a direct witness to Jesus’ life and ministry. Yet you use that verse to defend TPM’s blasphemy that they are the ones paying the price of the believers sins. Just look at the lengths you will go to to defend the indefensible.
3. Numbers 18:1 – Just as sins were laid on animals (which could not take away sins), Aaron and his sons bore the iniquity of the congregation (As the foreshadow of the ultimate High Priest – Jesus – who would truly bear all our sins). This was fulfilled by Jesus on the cross, who bore it all. And you are suggesting that Jesus DIDN’T bear it all. How can anyone call themselves a Christian and then claim Jesus did not bear it all?
Well explained Richard…such TPM doctrines are called ‘unglorious doctrines’, and are the inventions of men wise in their own conceits, who have departed from the faith by giving heed to doctrines of devils and seducing spirits and are beguiling others after themselves.
As this website states, the truth is that TPM leaders have perverted the gospel of Christ.
Note well that the Apostle Paul accurses false preachers. See Galatians 1:6-9:
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Thomas, be wise.
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16
Brother Believer in Christ…
I find you have such a beautiful deeper dive into Ocean of God’s word….I feel enthralled to see passages blended so artistically u with God’s word carrying Truth …I really enjoy God’s message through your presentation…
How marvelous is the works of God…For we God’s workmanship… Ephesians 2:10
To God alone be Glory Amen…
Dear Thomas,
All these “deeper truths” are the brainchild of perverted Alwin. Do you think all the filthiness going on inside the TPM organisation won”t come out.
Ecclesiastes 12:14, “For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,whether it is good or evil.”
Dear Cognizance,
This is the testimony of a grateful soul saved ALONE by the love, mercy, grace and kindness of the mighty and everlasting God, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty, the Ancient of days, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the Son of God, Lord Jesus Christ, Emmanuel, God with us, and the Spirit of the Lord. To God be the glory:
1. Alas! and did my Saviour bleed,
and did my Sovereign die!
Would he devote that sacred head
for sinners such as I?
2. Was it for crimes that I have done,
he groaned upon the tree?
Amazing pity! Grace unknown!
And love beyond degree!
3. Well might the sun in darkness hide,
and shut its glories in,
when God, the mighty maker, died
for his own creature’s sin.
4. Thus might I hide my blushing face
while his dear cross appears;
dissolve my heart in thankfulness,
and melt mine eyes to tears.
5. But drops of tears can ne’er repay
the debt of love I owe.
Here, Lord, I give myself away;
’tis all that I can do.
(Hymn by Isaac Watts, 1674-1748)
Dear Cognizance, I was much blessed by 2 Cor 3:3-8 where Apostle Paul wrote to the CHURCH OF GOD AT CORINTH, WITH ALL THE SAINTS IN ACHAIA, saying to them that “Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
NOT THAT WE ARE SUFFICIENT OF OURSELVES TO THINK ANY THING AS OF OURSELVES; BUT OUR SUFFICIENCY IS OF GOD;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death (the law of sin and death, Rom 7:13), written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? (Rom 8:2)
V.14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament: which veil is done away in Christ …
v.16 Nevertheless, when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, (Rom 10:13).
To the leaders and followers of TPM …The Gospel says turn to Christ who is your ONLY SAVIOUR, cast down the idols of your heart and mind and be washed clean in the blood of JESUS, and come follow the Lord God who is the lamb, slain for the forgiveness of all of our sins, whom God has provided for our complete salvation, and who of God (Jesus) is made unto us (our) wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption. 1 Cor 1:30.
May God bless you all in his Word of truth and by his Holy Spirit of truth.
Thomas, I have not seen one reference from the bible in your responses which prove the doctrines of devils aka TPM deeper truths..just like your consecrated saints (whited sephulcres) you just babble generally “many verses” just as Richard has pointed out.
That’s because there is no need to quote any verse to deny the authenticity of this letter. When I have not quoted anything, how can you say that it is quoted from some other book.I haven’t mentioned about “many verses” here.
Whereas for some other articles I have quoted exclusively from the Bible and not from any other books.
Please read my comments well before saying anything baseless.
For most of my comments except for this pastor sunny issue, i have given my comments quoting only from the Bible. Read them before you dare call the Bible as devil’s book.
You’ve quoted verses in only ONE article as far as I can remember. Just One. And after our responses refuting your argument you never came back.
You are right Richard. Thomas has commented on a few articles but only on ONE (the TPM “saviours” song), he has quoted irrelevant verses and when refuted he has run off without being able to back up scripturally.
Actually, Thomas had quoted scriptures in older articles too. However, the problem with Thomas is that He would quote certain verses from his existing understanding as taught by TPM which is very much out of the context. In all those instances, he was corrected and refuted based on the correct context of the scripture. So when he does not respond back, it has to be assumed that he does not have a response to prove his position. Therefore, he has conceded the point he mentioned.
Brother Thomasbk,
I am literally surprised to see people like you who boldly speaking not realizing their very own words put them to share
You said
//Whoever has posted this should consider the below, Let me make my point clear that I’m not justifying anyone but want to say that it’s better to justify our lives first and set right our shortcomings before critising a church and others.//
Are you not criticizing others here by commenting??
Have you set all your shortcomings right before GOD to criticise others here??
What are you doing here brother ??? Does not your belief say that you suppose to set your life right before GOD not criticising others???
Does not your first paragraph contradicts with the following paragraphs…
You said //i am not justifying anyone//
But in the following paragraphs you are actually justifying Tpm’s consecration…
Your very words prove your poor state…
Do you have any idea why God has to expose the adultery of David with Bathsheba??
None of us here condemned pastor.Sunny to hello here…
His sin has been exposed to warn people according to the comment by your Tpm brother RG
//When you worship man and its denominations you are bound to be demoralized after a period of time. //
Pastor Sunny has been demoralized because he worshipped man made doctrines…
If you have to question … direct your question to RG… because he came up revelation if anyone worships man and its denomination he will be demoralized in course of time…
Well said! Thumbs up Thomas.
The question is “What do you gain by publishing such things”. Are you glorifying God or you are exalting Satan? The word of God is very clear. You need to look at Jesus who is the author and finisher. What have the admins of this site gained by publishing such things. If your position in the society has increased than you are blessed. If not stop it. You might have 100 other short-comings which you dont want others to know, so leave it and Look at Jesus.
You are an excellent specimen of the work of TPM Ministers
You think we are doing this for some Gain. Sorry friend, we are not in the lines of your “consecrated saints” for whom all things should be for material gain and upliftment of social status. What pathetic stage you have reached.
We are totally against such an ideology. It’s a condemnable way of life. Please read 1 Timothy 6:5
and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
Thanks for showing us the rottenness of the fruit cultivated by TPM.
For us Godliness with contentment is great gain 1 Timothy 6:6
What does the writer gain? What did Paul gain or the Corinthian church gain by putting out the man who had an incestuous relationship? What did the church where Timothy was an elder gain by bringing a charge against an elder in the presence of 2 or 3 witnesses? TPM doesnt follow these principles because they think they are above the word or God(same reason they trashed the qualification list for being an elder mentioned in the epistle to Timothy and Titus) . The only thing they know is to cover up and exhibit elitism. This site I’m sure is opening hundreds of eyes to the truth of the gospel. This site has scripture as the authority to point out false teachings, you on the other hand have “feelings” and “emotions” to stand on to say what this site is doing is wrong.
Sorry Mr. Namesake,
I dont go according to feelings and emotions.
For me looks like you people have ego problems and using this site to express your emotions and feeling, which have nothing to do with the scriptures.
On the contrary, I was a staunch tpm-ite until a few years back. Every single article on this site stands with the support of scripture. I look forward to you refuting them using scripture. Instead of just brushing it away, why don’t you deal with the articles one by one? You are yet to use scripture in any of your comments until now.
Brother RG,
Before questioning others first lookout whether you are qualified for that…
Your question
//Are you glorifying God or you are exalting Satan? The word of God is very clear. You need to look at Jesus who is the author and finisher. What have the admins of this site gained by publishing such things. If your position in the society has increased than you are blessed. If not stop it. //
My question to you…
What to you gain by posting your comments here???
Are you glorifying God or exalting satan??
According to your comment…
Are you looking at JESUS who is the author and finisher of Faith to gain social status???
what is the intention of your comments…??
You have No substance or burden for anyone in all your comments..
Are you posting comments with burden to save Admin from Heresy??
Do you come here with logical arguments rather Biblical ground to show some substance….??
Your foolishness is well proven in your very word…
Proverbs 1:7
fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak to fools, for they will scorn your prudent words.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion
Again… all assumptions that I am a hardcore TPM. God Help You.
Well even from an ethics perspective I dont think what you are doing is correct.
I dont know where you are based then I could have asked you decent questions.
Like Satan and his angels you all seem to be working in the dark without identifying yourself.
I am from Mumbai.
Thanks
So when tpm says we are saved by our works and we use scripture and point out their error, you call that unethical? When Tpm says their pastors are the high priests in the NT (this is the kind of heresy that even Roman Catholics don’t preach) you want us to nod our heads and stay silent?
Seems like up is down and down is up for you. All the articles in this site point to the blatant usurping of Jesus that happens in tpm and you say this site is the agent of Satan? That’s a nice fantasy land you are living in where Satan is trying to exalt Jesus instead of men.
Richard, there’s no use in asking the TPM slaves like RG, Thomas etc., to refute with scriptures as neither they know anything from Bible (like most TPM believers) nor have sincere desire to know and please the God of the Bible. Sadly, all they can do is bark and digress from the actual topic.
Excellent Daniel J….
You are truly a child of God…
A crown needs to be placed on your head…
Dear RG
I suggest you to consider your TPM ministers who you support. Having all sort of filthiness, they still claim to be holy apostles & consider all other Christians the filth. I agree that I have so many failures & that’s why I don’t say like the fallen Angel that, “I will ascend on high & set my throne equal to God.” It’s your TPM ministers claim that. I think you don’t read the articles which are with relevant references but, just read the comments & do all parrot like chanting. I know that you are totally brainwashed by your proud & arrogant TPM ministers. First of all you go and tell your TPM ministers to stop looking down on others. Ask them to stop making the hollow claim to go to Zion. Let God be God & advice them not to take the place of God. Because it’s God prerogative to allocate the places in heaven according to His will.
I dont support any Church ….. I go to a church to worship God.
Your mindset needs to be changed….
Looks like the admins, etc have run out of ideas and myths.
Thank God for opening their eyes…
RG,
Admin is running out of ideas, that is why its a huge success. That’s why Just by hearing the name of the site you and your white clad day time saints start trembling.
Thats your belief..
Enjoy and keep laughing… LOL…..
RG,
It is not my belief, but it is the fact. Even your worker saint brother (as pointed out by admin) is scared of this site because they don’t know who is on the firing line next. Otherwise ask him and let us know the fact.
Dear Franklin,
Whether my worker brother or worker sister is worried about this site who cares.
But I know one thing all these guys including yourself and the honorable admin are those who have not drunk their own mother’s milk that’s why you all hiding and doing these things without revealing your names because you are afraid.
If you have guts and have sucked your mother’s milk then use your actual names.
Looks like RG is the one who never drank his mother’s milk – what an hypocrite, he doesn’t even reveal his first name and goes by just RG!
RG,
wow … Your tongue is this? Your more than a quintal brother Emmanuel saint taught you this type of tongue or your Sunday School Head master taught you? Whoever taught, they did a marvelous work because such usages can only hear tpm die hard uses. They think church worshiping and pastor worshiping will lead them to heaven because they don’ know JESUS. In you case brother worship. At least now start reading the bible without TPM Lens, GOD may help you.
Dear RG
None of us have run out of ideas & bear this in your that like your TPM we neither believe myth nor speak myth. Why don’t you try to persuade the TPM high command to select the experts & fix a place where they & we from fromtpm.com site will gather for an open debate purely from the Bible?
I am sure that you won’t agree fir that saying, your TPM doesn’t allow debates. And to substantiate it you with the help of your timid ministers take some verses. They can do all rubbish among themselves under the covering of white costumes & false unbiblical consecration. But when anyone gives them open challange to debate on doctrinal facts from the Bible they will run away & hide behind flimsy excuses. Still you give a try & when you are ready plz inform the admin. Give your best try to persuade your ministers. Wish you all the best.
Why should I try to persuade the ministers.
Why shouldnt I try to improve myself and draw closer to God.
Why should I worry about try to change something which is not my domain.
Dear RG
What a thinking? Why should you worry about something which is not your domain. This is exactly your day light saints also say. Bible says, “as the mother, so is the daughter”. You rightly fit into this verse. You are also selfish as your saints are. Why should you worry when many are trapped inside a death snare(TPM SYSTEM). My dear RG our God doesn’t want us to be self-centred otherwise He also could have remained quiet when man fell bcoz of transgression. I suggest you to join us to spread the awareness about the wrong doctrines of the corrupt system(TPM) & pull many out of its deadly clutches.
There is a commenter called ‘Believer in Christ’ who in a different comment beautifully wrote about blindness and how it can deceive even the elect.
I feel TPM should study all the articles and many of the comments here and weigh their doctrines on the scale of God’s just Word.
I do not like to attack anyone personally, but there are thousands of brainwashed ones who will benefit from the site. I suggest RG & Bros. to tear apart our arguments, by studying Scriptures.
Life of Separation is not about making marriage look dirty but it is about cautioning about and fleeing erroneous latter-day revelations.
RG, Perhaps you are compelled to defend this system because your sibling is within it as a minister (Its a guess based on admin comment)
On the final day, no brother or sister or pastor can defend you. They will get lesser punishment because they will claim ignorance to the website called ‘fromtpm’
They might even blame you for their eternal torment.
Let Christ be your milestone and your measuring reed.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Charles Spurgeon wrote- “Oh my brothers and sisters in Christ, if sinners will be damned at least let them leap to hell over our bodies; and if they will perish, let them perish with our arms about their knees, imploring them to stay and not madly to destroy themselves”
Dear Denzel,
Whether my brother or sister in TPM ministry doesnt make any difference to me.
Whether I can worhsip God or not makes a difference to me.
But surprisingly I can see those here using a monkier names to coverup themselves. Shame on you all.
RG-
Its a shame that you keep making spelling errors in every comment.
Besides, you take great pride in venerating sin and exonerating sinners.
Of course, your sibling will make no difference to you, since you are void of natural affection,in compliance with TPM doctrines.
So, worshiping saints in the name of God is what matters to you- St Paul calls it will-worship or worship of angels.
Since, you have made it clear that you wish to stand for Proto-Catholic revelations and institutions, I wish you well.
There are people like you in the church whereby the innocent, simple believers who know not the truth are willfully misled.
Do not teach or influence sin in the church. In your set-up, Baalam is good and Phinehas is evil.
Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.
Dear Mathew,
There are many corrupt organizations and churches in the world. Why only TPM?
Why dont you guys have the guts to correct such corrupt organizations and churches.
I can clearly understand that you all are nincompoops having no guts.
I know this comment is addressed to bro Matthew but let me add a few points nevertheless. None of us here are heresy hunters. We don’t go looking for churches to point out their flaws. Of course there is not one local assembly without any flaws. We speak out against TPM because we were brought up in this faith. Now that we’ve realized how everyone is being taken for a ride under the guide of “consecration” and “deeper truths”, we can’t help but speak out.
Personally, articles such as this is not why I say TPM is a false church. The incident in this article is merely one of the symptoms of leaving the boundaries of scripture. As I said earlier, the root issue is much more deep. None of the exclusive tpm doctrine (when I say none, it is NONE – not a single one) is based on scripture. The qualification laid out for becoming a church elder is blatantly anti-biblical. Yet, tpm had the audacity to look down on every other denomination and claim they are the best church. I would encourage you to read every article in this site. If you feel articles that point out sin among the pastors is wrong, don’t read them. At least read the articles which speaks about false doctrines (the “heresies in tpm” series for example) and see if what this site says is wrong. Every single article tells you why tpm is wrong with the support of scripture. The authors do not pull arguments out of thin air. Please read them and try to refute them using scripture. God bless.
Dear Richard,
I am sure because you were brought up in TPM, you got the wisdom and the knowledge to analyze the doctrines and to know whether its correct or not. Shouldnt you be thanking God for that.
If you had been brought up in some other church you would not have gained this wisdom and understanding. They would have given you some position and you would have been there very happy.
Move on in life with what you have gained and learn more.
If there’s filthiness leave it.
You would definitely cover up incidents in your life or your family so that others dont know about.
I know many believers even in the place where I am now who are covering up many activities of their children so that their children are seen as good and the parents as godly parents.
Its not my duty to reveal these to others.
RG,
No, TPM did not teach me anything meaningful. All I ever learned in TPM was the “special revelations” received by TPM pastors (which blatantly contradict God-breathed scripture) and to say “YES” to every word spoken by them. It was only after I learned scriptures with an open mind that God showed me all the doctrines that are false and some even heretical in this church. So yes, I thank GOD for teaching me, not TPM.
Secondly, I already said, I don’t focus much on sin in the church. If the heart issue is dealt with, the sin issue will correct itself. My main issue with TPM isn’t the sin problem like the ones mentioned in this article. My main issue is DOCTRINAL. What TPM teaches is false. It teaches works righteousness, i.e we gain righteousness by our works. The recent convention in Chennai had a song that entirely sang praises of TPM workers (If the same song was sung praising Mary, everybody would have cried “heresy” in unison). Every single TPM believer who attended the convention sang praises of men instead of God. Do you think we should be silent when such things happen? God won’t be pleased with our silence when people who don’t know any better are taken for a ride.
All I’m doing is what I would have expected someone else to do had I still been enslaved to this church. I repeat again, I’m not here to “reveal” sin in others. My issue is doctrinal which has enslaved thousands in this church.
RG quote:
//I am sure because you were brought up in TPM, you got the wisdom and the knowledge to analyze the doctrines and to know whether its correct or not. Shouldnt you be thanking God for that.
If you had been brought up in some other church you would not have gained this wisdom and understanding//
TPM perhaps is your tree of knowledge to know good from evil. So that’s how you concluded that
“sin is everywhere… hsshh… I don’t care if they teach evil, because I will selectively take a bite off the fruit and throw away the rest… who cares at the end of the day, I would have become like gods and can reach Zion”
From the Sunny George incident it has become evident that influential people can go Scott free. Few months back Raju Varghese was demoted just bcoz he had accumulated & kept 1.5 crore kept with him. But the case of Sunny George is much more punishable than the case of the former. Still Sunny George is a Centre Pastor though in a remote centre & Raju Varghese is made a brother(gate keeper);isn’t it a partiality? Moreover from this it has become very apparent that TPM is money minded & covetous; they have no issues with people who are immoral as long as one faithfully fill their pockets. What a deteriorating state TPM is in? TPM is fooling people in the name of false purity & celibacy. Wake up! O..people & have the zeal to cleanse the house of GOD.
Mathews… Isnt it the case in the world today? So why worry about it…….
I am sure you will also pay money to hush up any incidents involving your children….
Dear RG
thank you for words of blessings you have pronounced. May my merciful God immensely bless you. But I measured your spiritual level. For you the world & the church is the same & even if all what happen in the world happen in church also it’s not in any way gonna bother you. I will pray that God would give wisdom that you might understand the sanctity of the church. This is my last reply to you & I don’t want to waste my time on you. May God give you a sound mind.
Dear Mathews,
I have a sound wisdom by the grace of God. I am praying that God bestows his grace and wisdom on you too.
Your life is very important and not which church you go. Your church will not take you to heaven. Exposing any church will not take you to heaven.
But rectifying your life and living a life which is pleasing unto God is what’s required. Exposing any church will not give you a crown of lige.
Dear RG
I appreciate the wisdom you have but I want the wisdom from on high (James 3:17). I know it well that no church or organization will take anyone to heaven but still one needs a fellowship. The fellowship one needs should be such as to give the spiritual growth. The church should be a place where one should find the freedom to worship & where not the clergies but God is given the pre-eminence.
As you said that exposing a church will not give me a crown of life. I know this well but it doesn’t mean that I should turn my blind eyes when many are ensnared in the death trap. You mean to say that if I see a blind is heading towards the deep Ravine, I should not warn him about the pit which could be fatal to him? I can’t do that my brother; even a natural man with some common sense would warn him. Read for yourself Ezekiel 33:1-7. I will do my part to warn both, who are already trapped & others who are heading towards the trap. You plz keep doing what you feel like doing.
This issue with Pastor Sunny George is quite disturbing.
From my own digging around I have come to understand that there are many people who were aware of his behaviour but chose to remain silent.
Those who have been regular on this site will know that I have been critical of this site and its motives.
But I will not stand with or support silence in the face of iniquity.
I believe TPM was ordained by God through divine guidance, but over the years has been spoiled by falsely consecrated “servants” of God.
So, as suggested by the proponents of this site, I started doing some more reading and came across Ezra chapter 10.
To paraphrase, the people of Israel on realizing their sin gathered around Ezra and said (verse 2 onwards):
“We have trespassed against our God, and have taken pagan wives from the peoples of the land; yet now there is hope in Israel in spite of this.
Now therefore, let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and those who have been born to them, according to the advice of my master and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.
Arise, for this matter is your responsibility. We also are with you. Be of good courage, and do it.”
As far as I am concerned, without having to verify the authenticity of the letter, there is sufficient to suggest that this man has committed some grave dishonesty at the very least.
I have heard of simple transgressions by believers being punished with periods of silence and in some cases excommunications.
How is it that there aren’t even 10 or 20 people in this church who are bold enough to rise up and question the decision of the leadership to merely transfer him to a position in another place?
While he remains accused and till he is cleared of all charges, will he then be allowed to serve communion or baptize people?
To the admins of this site, please don’t respond to this comment with things like “they are brain washed” or “they are cowards” or such things.
There are many many good people amongst us.
All that is required is for a few good people to boldly stand up and question the leadership on their decision.
I fear the example that is being set for the next generation of TPM workers.
Admins – please note that I still think that your doctrinal differences with TPM are a matter for debate. However, I do not support the vitriolic tone of your writings.
Vik, one of my closest friend’s dad was forced to beg forgiveness in front of everyone and was punished because his son simply got married in a different denomination. My very own dad was refused communion because it “looked” like he had taken medicine (in reality he had not, he merely had a plaster of Paris cast on his fractured hand). This is how tpm treats its believers. So you are right, the contrast is stunning.
As for the vitriolic language, I’m sure if you have read the comment section, it is the pro-tpm guys who have used terms like “bastard”, “backslider”, “sons of Lucifer”, “if you’ve drunk your mothers milk” etc. The language used by both sides isn’t even a comparison. But yes, we can all do better.
Brother, my dad was punished and refused communion for a period of time for just attending a wedding in another denomination (those days we were quite poor). Now, in the US and western world these so called saints attend weddings in other churches and I’ve seen photos of the white clad TPM saints in India attending “wedding receptions” in other denominations and having fellowship over briyani. Quite painful to see these hypocritical double-standards
Brother, these rules are quite flexible and will bend away from where money is flowing into their pockets. In Bangalore, those rules are still practiced. Parents(any anyone who attends) are still punished if they attend the marriage of their children in a different denomination.
I ask you all tpm borthers. Do not come to see what this website publishes. Brother told us that they are sending devil spirits along with website. If you open this website it will capture your head First I did not believe this. Now after Vik what said, i am feeling sad that these people have captured his mind. It is like facbook spirit. Facebook means face of demon. I am leaving this site.
Harry,
There are thousands of tpm believers leaving this self glorifying organizations every year. At the same time many of their spiritual eyes have been opened by this site. If GOD loves you, one day you will also realize the folly of following some unscrupulous white clad day time saints.
Harry,
You dont seem to be Faithful in either ways to Tpm..
//Brother told us that they are sending devil spirits along with website. If you open this website it will capture your head First I did not believe this.//
Fisrtly – You never believed the Tpm brother who said not to visit this site…
Hence you visited the site …proving your disobedience and unfaithfulness to the Tpm clergy
//If you open this website it will capture your head First I did not believe this.//
Secondly – you never believed the message saying as soon as you opened the site evil spirit will grab your head…
You are not Faithful either to Tpm Minister or his so called revelation…
How come you shamelessly speak as if you can defend Tpm or its doctrines…
Do you think that your vain words with disobedient life will be of use even to your Tpm church….???
No Not All…
Proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise:
Harry – i can assure you that no spirit has captured my face.
I have been a critic of this site and still am.
I do not agree with their methods and tone.
However, there is too much going on in TPM to ignore.
Regardless of who it comes from, the truth must be exposed when it matters.
I DO NOT support the doctrinal differences of this site. Partly because I do not know enough to be able to debate it.
But it has given me enough reason to read my Bible more often and hopefully, someday I will be able to debate this in the right time and place.
What I have heard from credible sources about the recent happenings in TPM has shocked me and there is too much “evidence” around to not be disturbed.
Any genuine believer who truly wants the best for the church will want the truth to be revealed.
Sometimes it takes a thief to catch another thief.
Over the years I have heard and seen many things and ignored them as they were inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
But, the incidents with pastor Sunny and the recent case with pastor Raju are the most disturbing of our time.
From financial irregularities to sexual deviance, I will not stand for simply turning a blind eye.
I do not expect any TPM worker to stand up to the leadership as they have to consider their own position and future.
I sympathise with them as this is their “bread and butter” so to speak and their choices are limited.
But believers who receive the communion bread and wine must consider if the hands that serve them are clean.
If believers are to be held to a standard then those “ruling” over them (as is quoted in Hebrews) must be held to a higher standard.
Once again i emphasise that I DO NOT support this site.
It is the responsibility of the site owners to maintain a civil tone and engage in logical debate.
But the admin has himself engaged in some verbal vitriol (although he has not really used any foul language) which is not becoming of a Christian.
True “believers” have a duty to stand up and question.
Not be blind mice following the piper’s tune.
Hi Vik,
It’s quite refreshing to know that you have started looking at some realities which is a shift from your earlier position.
As far as your unhappiness with this site admin and others are concerned, I suggest you read how Jesus and John the Baptist interacted with the Pharisees. They were certainly much more Vitriolic in the eyes of those Jews that this site owners.
I went back to see some of your conversations. They were also quite a load of sulphuric acid. How is it that you do not consider your own words whereas you see it in others. Is not that Hypocrisy from you?
Dear Johnson,
You are technically correct about Vik. At the same time, hindsight is a great teacher.
If Vik has realised that certain aspects of the site are in line with his new-found realisation, should we not welcome him like a lost brother?
The bigger picture is that once one stops trusting in man (it could be TPM pastor or admin or you or me), God will open up one’s faculties.
There is no pre requisite to completely agree with any one view- even I see doctrinal issues, so that’s why I am studying eschatology.
Let the ones who wish to open their eyes do so, without feeling attacked.
Denzel – I would suggest you don’t misrepresent my position by saying that I have “realised that certain aspects of the site are in line with his new-found realisation”/
I have always maintained that TPM, like any organisation, has a few bad apples.
But the vast majority of workers and believers are good people looking for some fulfillment.
I am still opposed to the site’s tone and methods.
But I will debate anyone in areas where I am knowledgeable.
I won’t debate with you on doctrine as I am not as well versed as some of you are.
But on matters of ethics and principle, I will support what I believer is right.
I was never your “lost brother”.
Vik,
Good analogy
You Said
I have always maintained that TPM, like any organisation, has a few bad apples.
But the vast majority of workers and believers are good people looking for some fulfillment.
Take a Basket filled with Good Apples and just drop 3-4 bad apples inside. After some days you will find almost the entire basket is filled with Bad Apples in spite of a good majority of apples being Good initially. It is the law of Nature.
This same logic is expounded in Matt 13:33
He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into three measures of flour, until all of it was leavened.”
You will never see the bad apples turning good because it is kept with Good Apples. Is not it surprising that the Organization is protecting and hiding John Thomas(Killer of Kanagaraj), Sunny George, Raju Varghese and many others who have raped and done many immoral activities? Do you know why they are protected? Because the entire basket is filled with rotten apples with Good clean red skins. You need to poke those apples to know the rottenness and not look at the outwards which is the basic issue of the TPM Believer. Had this cancer of rottenness been dealt very early, we would not have been pressurized to bring it out in the open. Had they heeded to our advice in the private, it would have remained in the private. Now that we needed a correction hence we had no other option than bringing it out to the public so that they understand that they can repent and come back. But Alas..we don’t see that happening.
Thank you for the clarification.
Dear Vik,
You are accepting the fact that there are rotten apples within TPM. but you have a problem with the stink it is raising. Now you are finding fault with people who says it is stinking(fromtpm.com).
If you may, please turn your bible to Eccl 10:1
Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour:..
From what I see from the above verse, we have no other option to continue with that Ointment(TPM Organization and its doctrines/practices), but throw the entire thing out to salvage the situation. Even Removing few dead flies will not help us as the ointment is already corrupt.
Johnson,
Vik thinks it is derogatory and Rude to say his favorite ointment is stinking. 🙂
Sulphuric? Was never good at chemistry, but I get your point.
I think there was some sarcasm – which i still stand by.
As i said, I do not agree with the tone of the site.
It’s derogatory and rude.
I believe that if you have an argument, it be made like gentleman, in the open and in a civil manner.
Not from behind curtains, in a mud slinging manner.
I still oppose a lot of the views here.
However, it has become a platform to launder dirty linen, has it not?
Vik, I personally have tried since 2006 (the year the Lord opened my eyes to see how dreadfully the so TPM doctrines and its practices including the way of worship / tarry meetings is totally unscriptural). Although I have not spoken to the top 3, I have questioned various centre pastors / incharge workers in a very humble way and it’s quite striking that all of them were unable to answer even one simple doctrinal question – they either suddenly changed the topic or their face changed and got angry / frustrated or the usual cultish fear mongering – “Satanic spirits are trying to drift you away”. I’m sure a lot of us similarly would have been through this path. So don’t tell us how to approach.
Before you mudsling the admin and keep repeating the “tone” of this site, I beseech you to read the entire chapter of Matthew 23, Read Luke 13:32, Read Matthew 3:7-10.
Some of the words Jesus and John the baptist addressed the Pharisees (TPM “saints” have such similarities to the Pharisees) – Vipers, serpents, fox, fools, blind guides, whited sepulchres, children of hell etc., and read all the verses I have mentioned and see the tone in which they spoke!!
Civil manner?? Rude ?? Derogatory ??
I leave you to answer it sincerely.
Vik, you say you do not support the doctrinal differences of this site. May I suggest you something? One of the fundamental teachings of TPM is the the “saved” go to “New Earth” and the “OT saints” and “NT martyrs” go to “New Heaven”. Next time you meet an elder of TPM, kindly ask them for scriptural references for those 2 beliefs.
They’ll quote these 3 verses Matt 11:11, Revelation 21:24 and Revelation 6:9.
If they do quote those 3 verses, please go back and read the whole chapter from where those 3 verses are picked and see if what they tell make sense to construct such doctrines around it.
Do this for every TPM specific doctrine, and you’ll know where we’re coming from. Please keep in mind that while reading scripture, context is a big deal. So when TPM quotes a verse, make sure you read the surrounding verses to know intention of the original author.
I will.
Thanks for the encouragement.
** VIK you said, “….. without having to verify the authenticity of the letter, there is sufficient to suggest that this man has committed some grave dishonesty at the very least….”
Without authencity of letter you can believe the false charge on pastor! Good vik. You are not the same vik! I think they have done some witchcraft on your head.
LOL…Harry Potter now blaming others for Witchcraft? LOLOL 🙂
Harry read Numbers 23:23 if at all you have the habit of reading bible at least once in a while (which is almost nonexistent in TPM). A true born-again child of God cannot be affected by witchcraft or anything of that sort. That’s just a devils (consecrated saints) trick for fear mongering slaves like you.
Yes sir…. It’s called circumstantial evidence.
When forensic evidence is unavailable a court of law may convict you based on the evidence available, especially if the circumstances are compelling enough.
As someone pointed out earlier, St Paul did not literally sign off at the end of every epistle.
He introduced himself at the beginning.
Your argument is actually used by anti-Bible debaters to question the authenticity of the Bible itself.
However, faith is what leads us to believe that the Bible is the word of God.
Harry,
How come you overlooked the passage of Vik’s who is your brother in Tpm’s post…
He clearly called out that he has investigated..
Vik’s words
//From my own digging around I have come to understand that there are many people who were aware of his behaviour but chose to remain silent.//
But you took the passage of convenience to call your very own brother demon possessed just because he chose to call out Evil as Evil…
Shame on you…where is your love for your own brother???
You disowned him all of the sudden just because he accepted a flaw in the organization though he commented that he is not agreeing with all other topics….
How daringly you passed judgement that he is demon possessed…dont you know all these days he was trying your organization called Tpm and its doctrines….even Now he chose to call true incident which Evil as Evil…He never disowned Tpm or Tpm doctrines…
But look at you… shamelessly calling your brother demon possessed and disowned him to defend the wickedness…
Truely none of us here … treated pastors.sunny as the way you treated your brother Vik…
Brother Vik Gant,
//How is it that there aren’t even 10 or 20 people in this church who are bold enough to rise up and question the decision of the leadership to merely transfer him to a position in another place?//
I sincerely appreciate your suggestion. If you are in their position, will you do that? Never brother never.. Because you have all brought up like that in this most heretical organisation called TPM. There everything is saint, GOD and JESUS are irrelevant. In such a scenarios who will bell the cat?
May GOD strengthen you more and more with heavenly wisdom.
I will stand with you, Franklin.
Lead the way!
I have already questioned my elders in my local as well as reached out to the people I am in touch with.
Have you? How many hear have?
Vik you said,
//I will not stand or support silence in face of iniquity….All that is required is for a few good people to boldly stand up and question the leadership on their decision..///
I hope those were not empty words spoken in flow of emotions…..
Let us see what you do… and kindly be gracious to inform us what you did… so that we can follow your footsteps…(assuming our decision to inform ppl through website when injustice prevailed in pas Kanagaraj Murder was wrong according to you.. remember you called us coward in those days?)
Let us see how you act and bring justice now..
Nath – I have.
I have already questioned my elders in my local as well as reached out to the people I am in touch with.
Your turn!
Bro Vik
I discussed few issues with Center Pastor privately (at least four occasions I remember). But he just avoids by giving lame excuses. In fact he has little time to discuss. Always busy with his phone. It takes 1-2 hours to sit with him and begin topic only to make the discussion last for 1-2 minute. And then he gets busy in his phone or somebody will come inside his room to disturb. It takes months to meet him personally – he is always out of town. My idea behind discussing with CP was this that I wanted leaders to bring changes instead of disturbing church members. I felt it is better to do such discussions with leaders privately first. But it is of no use. Apart from CP, I have even discussed few things with few workers individually but they say we cant do anything or they agree and say “..this organisation has become rotten, let me complete my ministry!” At the end, I discovered that a single leader cannot change system. They fear they will be thrown out! You need top leaders to make changes. At lower level they follow the system blindly and out of fear! The only way left then is to deal with individuals who are open minded. And that is why I am in support of this website.
Vik,
Forget about human mistakes. If you don’t stand for justice it wont mean God will not give justice. But it will certainly cost lives forever in danger of eternal hell fire, if you sit silently watching perverse things being taught by few white clad men. It doesn’t require deep Bible knowledge to defend basic Christian truths.
Tell me frankly whether it right or wrong for church members to gather under one roof and sing praises and exalt human beings, by singing that few white clad human beings are worthy, and they have done so many good things and forsaken all and they will go to highest place in eternity ? Why do you want to sing praise to men in church which is a place to sing praises to God. What doctrinal knowledge do you need to defend it or refute it. It is as simple as a Christian can understand.
Tell me if TPM saints bear your sins like the songs no. 385 says (intentionally or unintentionally). Tell me whether song should be removed or not? Don’t give lame excuse that I need deep knowledge of Bible to defend it or refute it. We have thoroughly explained it in respective articles.
Tell me how much biblical knowledge you need to conclude that the practice of tarrying meeting is against Bible (see 1 Corn 14). It is given in plain language.
Don’t justify yourself by saying I have questioned authorities in my jurisdiction on case of Pastor Sunny and i have done my part. If you really are the person who stands for justice in times of iniquity then stand for the issues raised above because they are more severe than Pastor Sunny’s case. Tell us if you are not convinced we will discuss above said things. And then let us see how you deal with it.
As already said, We had private discussions with TPM workers, and now we are making these issues public because private discussions didn’t yield any result. And if you cant bring any change with your private discussion then kindly do not lay charge to us by saying we are going the wrong way. Suggest us the right way.
Nath
I will only speak on issues that I am competent enough to speak.
I am not ready to debate doctrine, but on matters of ethics and justice, we can talk.
Everybody has a role to play.
If anyone here truly wants to make changes, then send me your email address (vik.0.gant@gmail.com) and I will suggest how to do this.
But if you are doing so, then be bold and be ready to harassed, persecuted and ridiculed.
Are you ready?
Sent you email.
Dear Vik,
I have No ulterior motives to use this opportunity to inject some human juice in your brain…
I just wanted to share my joy with you…How my heart praises God for the way he is dealing with you…
It is not a coincidence brother…
It is God who brought you to this site…
It is God who made you to voice your opinions here….
It is God who enabled you to following this site so far though it contradicts your belief…
It is God who brought the hidden filthyness in the Tpm Church to your notice as He(God) revealed it to Ezekiel …
Dont you know God is working out a Wonderful change in your spirit…???
Have you not realized it yet???
Isaiah 43:19
See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?
Yes…it is happening brother…May God bless you…May God bring you closer to Him to know Him more…May you give glory only to God not to any man or organization….May God alone be lifted High in your life….May God alone be enthroned in your heart….
Thank you for the kind words.
It wasn’t God who brought me here.
It was a friend of mine, who is not even a TPM believer.
I still stand opposed to this site’s tone and methods.
Nothing has changed there.
So, you may want to hold back your joy!
Vik,
You may disown the Supremacy of God and His sovereign Will of leading us according to His good pleasure…
//It wasn’t God who brought me here.
It was a friend of mine, who is not even a TPM believer.//
What do you mean by God’s leading…?
Do you think God leads you only in Person??
Do you think God leads you only by God’s people??
Do you think God will not lead you through pagans??
No ..No at all..You lack knowledge of God and His leading…
For the arguement sake you may disagree…but it has already started …
Read the following verses
Acts 17:26
He(GOD) determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands. 27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.
Joy of the Lord is my Strength… I dont need the rresult to believe My God’s Work..But i know for sure it has already started…My Faith is believe my God … He who began a good work will bring it to completion on the Lord’s Day…
Then again I reiterate i am not speaking for “fromtpm” or “admin”… I never inspire to support or join the site…I am here for God … and I urge to speak for GOd…
Let God alone be glorified…Amen
Dear Vik, RG, Thomas,
Did Jesus teach “deeper truth”?
He is the way, the truth and the life. Does the Bible say, Jesus is the deeper truth? You can see that Jesus did not.
Is “deeper truth” some mysterious thing only given to certain believers?
No, because Paul said, “I beseech you brethren by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” 1 Cor 1:10
Dear Vik, RG, Thomas, the church is built upon the foundations of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone. In whom (apostles and prophets in the Bible record and Jesus Christ) all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” Eph 2:20-22.
Now since Paul said that he had not shunned to declare unto us all the counsel of God (Acts 20:27) are there left undeclared to us such things as “deeper truths”?
Clearly not.
But look at what Paul said (Acts 20:29-31): 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.”
Christians must be submitted to Christ Jesus, the Word of God, who is over all, God blessed forever.
And allow Jesus Christ by his Holy Spirit to fill our whole being, so that we will love God with all our heart, soul and mind. To be faithful to him. Not to love any denomination nor any man above the one true God, who is blessed forever.
God exhorts us to contend for the faith once delivered unto the saints. Not to contend for another faith, but the faith ONCE given, and that is the faith in his name and the faith which is by him. So, That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (see Phil 2:10-11)
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, [wrote] to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: [said]
2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. (Jude 1-5)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. (Jude 21-23)
There are no secret doctrines to be revealed, nor any special revelations, nor any deeper truths, no secret codes to be deciphered in true Christianity, but believing only the clear teaching of Scripture as given.
Thus says the Lord: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Tim 3:16-17)
God’s peace be unto you, my friends. Let all things be done unto edifying the body of Christ.
Here we disagree.
I do believe that the truths declared by the apostles of the first century were complete and full.
But those truths were relevant to the time and place.
The apostles could never in their wildest imaginations have imagined what the world would become 2000 years later.
I do not believe that the word of God is limited to ONLY that which is written in the Bible.
I believe that the word of God is delivered to each and everyone that seeks it on a daily basis according to his/her understanding, maturity and wisdom.
The laws of the old testament regarding marriage, slavery and vengeance were amended in through the new testament era and as man’s knowledge and understanding evolves so does the expectation of his level of righteousness.
Before you say anything, I cannot point out a verse in the Bible that supports my argument.
However, just like all knowledge and science has evolved so too does our understanding of the kingdom of heaven.
If we are to follow the teachings of the old testament word for word, then it would be ok to be polygamous, keep slaves and take and eye for an eye.
When raising a child, you dont feed steak to a toothless infant.
But rather, you feed it food that it can digest.
As the child grows so does its food habits.
Similarly, as man’s consciousness and knowledge evolves, he moulds the world around him.
So, a Christian’s understanding and habits must change and adapt to the changing world.
If the written word was sufficient, then we would never even have needed the new testament.
The books of law as given by Moses would have sufficed.
Make any sense?
Vik, with all due respect, you seem to miss the point of the Old Testament. I sincerely ask you to keep reading the word. The new Testament isn’t an “ammendment” of the OT laws to keep with the changing times.
The OT shows the how God views the seriousness of sin and every punishment mentioned there is what we deserve. The reason we’re(saved believers) not punished that we is because Jesus took that punishment on himself. It would be unjust on God’s part to meet out punishment twice for the same crime.
Now I encourage you to look into the laws of the OT. There were moral laws (which are timeless and reflect the character of God), there were ceremonial laws (these were laws pertaining to the sacrifices which Jesus fulfilled and hence there is no continuation of that in the NT) and there were civil laws given to the nation of Israel to conduct the affair of the nation (we are gentiles and have our own government since we are not a theocracy).
As for slavery, I suggest you don’t look at that word with the understanding of black slaves of the US. In ancient times, EVERYONE were called slaves. The subjects were slaves to the king, the king was a slave to the “gods”. Even slaves kept slaves. Read the OT laws concerning slaves. Slaves were more like workers under a long term contract. Hitting a slave was FORBIDDEN. As for polygamy, God’s plan for marriage from the beginning was monogamous (Genesis 2).
2 Tim 3:16 says all scripture is God breathed and is sufficient FOR EVERY good work (nothing lacking, so there is no need to go beyond scripture). If you say the word of God is not limited to scripture, using what authority will you say a Roman Catholic is wrong in his beliefs concerning Mary, Purgatory, papal infallibility etc. He’ll refute ALL your arguments with “well, the word of God is not limited to the scriptures”. Early Christians always went to God-breathed scriptures when differences in doctrine arose. If you don’t have scripture as the final authority, it’s all left to our whims to decide what’s right and wrong.
I say this because every single issue you have with TPM points back to their leaving he boundaries of scripture. Every single exclusive tpm doctrine are made up without scriptural basis.
Don’t stop reading. It was reading scripture that opened my eyes.
Brother Vik,
It is a fatal error…
//Before you say anything, I cannot point out a verse in the Bible that supports my argument.//
Any thought or knowledge which is not based on God and God’s Word is Evil and dangerous no matter how good and attaractive it seems to be….
Even Serpent enticed Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil not to become like Devil but become like God…Serpent’s offer seems to good and righteous …
Serpent was actually educating Adam and Eve about the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that they will become like God which the Lord has prohibited …
Your belief is based out of your knowledge which is absolutely contrary to the Faith as stated in the Word of God…
Hebrew 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see…
Faith is not the faculty of Mind(knowledge) but of spirit..You cannot comprehend faith by knowledge but by obedience to His(God) word…
//I do not believe that the word of God is limited to ONLY that which is written in the Bible.//
You Know what apostles has taught through Sriptures..
Galatians 1:8
But though we(paul and other apostles of Jesus Christ), or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
DO you know What Jesus Himself said Concerning “THE HOLY SPIRIT GOD”
John 16:13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
Spirit of God expound which Jesus has already spoken..HE will Glorify Jesus by taking things from Jesus and Making it known to Us…Spirit of GOd will not do anything on His Own…
DO you know what is the will of the Father GOd concerning Us…
Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son(Jesus), that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
Jesus is our forerunner and rolemodel and our destiny…
Paul understood this truth..Hence he cries out…
Philippians 3:6 as to zeal, persecuting the church; as to righteousness under the Law, faultless. 7But whatever was an asset to me, I count as loss for the sake of Christ. 8More than that, I count all things as loss compared to the surpassing excellence of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ…
Philippians 3:12
Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
Is your deeper truth fall in line with Jesus???
Is your deeper truth asking you to do something which Jesus has not done???
Is your deeper truth saying something which Jesus has not said???
Is your deeper truth asking you behave in a certain way while Jesus has not behaved that way???
WE are called and predestined to be excatly Like Jesus …
Not More than Jesus
Not less tha Jesus
But exactly like Jesus…
Thats What John said
I john 3:2
We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
Anything which is not of Jesus is of AntiChrist…
Any practice which is not from words of Jesus is of Antichrist…
Dear Vik,
Thank you for your kind reply.
Why do you say that you do not believe that the word of God is limited to ONLY that which is written in the bible?
I’m older and with the passing years I’ve learnt to trust in Jesus and depend upon his word. The Word of God is Jesus, and the power of the word of God is never limited.
You know Jesus created the worlds so that the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear? That tells us something wonderful about Jesus. The verses of 1 Cor 1:27-29 show me that God is just so unlike us! Please read them my friend. “…to bring to nought things that are…” Wow! And also Romans 4:16-21 “…God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were…” See Vik. God can help you in any age or in any circumstance. See what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe according to the working of his mighty power.
Yes, Vik, our world has changed but God never changes. God answers prayer because nothing is impossible for him, and he is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
I believe the gospel and I’ve made Jesus my Lord and Saviour. I believe and love his word and with the Holy Spirit God makes his word and Jesus my blessed guide and joy. I still have my childhood Sunday School books and you know, Vik, I loved those stories of Jesus and our Father in heaven. I read them now to our grandchildren so they too will love Jesus and be saved. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Vik, I read your letter and kindly thank you for it.
But I love Jesus and by God’s amazing grace He has saved me, washed me, justified me, sanctified me, preserves me, and teaches me from his word and guides me according to his will, and that’s how I came to this site. So many different life situations but with one holy Word and one Holy God totally sufficient for them all.
Dear Vik, I’m glad to hear that you’re continuing to read the word of God and therefore I know God will show you that his grace is sufficient for your every need and that he has answers for each and every day.
Dear Vik, may I boldly say in faith as if a knife was at my throat, as Christians we need no other extras to what our Father in heaven has already so blessed us with. With my prayers may God bless you Vik.
Good argument.
Here’s mine then:
If we assume that we only believe the word of God that has come directly from God, then we must question the words written by the apostles.
How do we know that they were actually His words?
How do we know that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John reported the words of Christ accurately, without error?
On the other hand, if we are to assume that God spoke to people through his apostles, are we to then assume that after the first century God stopped speaking through people?
Did the age of apostles end with the book of Revelation?
Or does/did God continue to speak to mankind through apostles?
Yes! I know that the apostles did mention that all that you have received is full and final.
But, surely it is not for them to decide what is full and final, right?
Everything – even the Holy Bible and its 66 books was a compilation of the works of man.
Where or who is the undeniable infallible authority that can guarantee that the KJV of the Holy Bible is the undeniable, infallible, irrevocable word of God?
My view is simply this: God speaks to man through out history and in the present and into the future through individuals.
Some of these people are called to propagate His message and others are merely called to follow this word.
Every interpretation of the Bible is man-made.
There is no argument.
This is where the Holy Spirit is supposed to play a role of guiding people in the right direction.
There is no convention laid out in the Bible about how to conduct Sunday morning worship meetings.
I dont recall it written anywhere that we must do 20 minutes of praising followed by 4 or 5 songs and then testimonies and a message.
There is no rules on how many hours a Bible study should be or how long a fasting prayer needs to be.
It is all man made.
Every denomination has a different way of worshipping.
I choose to worship with TPM.
It is entirely my choice to listen to the sermons and then use the knowledge acquired in my life.
No pastor or preacher can guarantee me that their church will take me to the kingdom of heaven.
I recall one of our chief pastors confirming what I just said.
This site and its interpretations are also man made.
You may choose to interpret things literally, figuratively or both.
That is to your conscience and between God and yourself.
Bad mouthing a group of people for their beliefs is WRONG.
It is un-Christian in my books.
A true Christian should INSPIRE people through his life and not just his words.
Matthew 5:16 says “Let your light so shine before the world that they may see your good works and glorify your father which is heaven.”
Jesus himself called for GOOD WORKS.
Not just good words.
There are many ways to the kingdom of heaven, but they all lead to Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the life.
FromTPM.com is merely a place for venting out the frustrations of a group of people who disagree with TPM doctrine and have found no other outlet.
Vik,
Firstly, if you have doubts regarding the historicity and the factual nature of the NT, I would start with these two links below. Remember, without an inerrant word of God, we have absolutely no objective standard for the Christian faith. I presuppose that God has spoken in history and since when God speaks he is infallible, I conclude his words in the written form are also inerrant (Paul says ALL SCRIPTURE is God-breathed. The Greek word is theopneustos).
https://bible.org/article/historical-reliability-gospels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Ylt1pBMm8
What did Jesus promise the apostles? “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13)
Jesus was addressing this to the apostles. Jesus can’t lie, can He? So if what Jesus promised came to pass, isn’t it safe to assume during the lifetime of the apostles, ALL TRUTHS were revealed? If we answer that in the affirmative, then we must ask what of the apostles words do we have with us today? We have no audio recordings of their messages and no videos. Our aim must be get as close to the all truth revealed to the early apostles. What we have with us today are their writings. This is not to say we don’t need divine help. Of course we do. Without divine help all we get is “head knowledge”. So I absolutely agree with you that it is the Holy Spirit that helps us understand.
And yes, God speaks even today. That is not what i’m arguing against. I’m arguing against, new found revelations that have popped up in the 21st century under the guise of “deeper truth”. Just yesterday, the pastor at my local church preached that those who take medicine will not go when Jesus comes and neither will they be served communion. It is teachings like this that I question. What evidence do we have that the early church held this belief and practice? None. So yes, God does speak but when it comes to doctrine, scripture has the final say. Remember Paul says if any other spirit comes and preaches a different Jesus or a different gospel other than the one PAUL PREACHED, we shouldn’t accept it. The gospel Paul preached is in scripture and it is not the “7 steps of Salvation” that TPM preaches.
As for convention, these aren’t doctrinal matters. But we do have a guideline as to what we as Christians must do when we meet.
“What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, EACH OF YOU has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.” (1 Cor 14:26)
Remember, the epistles in the NT are letters written in common language of the day. It was written so that even a new convert could understand. Letters don’t need “interpretation”. Peter says only “some portions” of Paul’s letters were difficult to understand. The ones who twist them are the unlearned and the unstable. Let me give you an example,
One of the direct command from God that Paul gives the Corinthian church is this. Read the whole chapter for context, I’m just posting relevant scripture.
“27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.” (1 Cor 14:27,28)
When I was in TPM as a die-hard fanatic, I would just brush that verse away. Now when I read it, I feel Paul couldn’t have got the message across clearer even if he tried. The passage is in such simple language that anyone could easily understand. This passage needs no “interpretation”. Paul says in the church, speak in tongues only if there are interpreters and if there are non, keep silent. TPM doesn’t follow this verse and hence I say TPM is wrong. Will you then say my “interpretation” of the above verse is wrong? I haven’t interpreted anything but merely repeated what Paul said.
If you notice, many of the arguments in this site aren’t “our interpretation is better than yours”. Most articles in this site just brings up the utter lack of scriptural support for many of TPM’s doctrines (There are no verses to interpret) and calls it wrong based on that.
Dear Vik,
Thank you for your letter.
I put my faith in God and in his holy word. He fills all in all to me.
I lean not to my own understanding.
Here’s God’s promise to me and to all men: The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding to the simple.
Before Almighty God yes, I am simple and trusting.
Look in the Bible and see what Christians should do when faced with unbiblical teachings?
Could you believe that teachings outside of the Bible which God has given to us, and which are not recorded in scripture, could be just that, outside the will of God, and not from God himself?
Did Jesus have a reason for why he said don’t add to the words of the prophecy of this book and don’t take them away?
Please take a look in Rev 22:17-21 for yourself.
Knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Ah yes, Vik, you have God’s word on it!
Truly, truly, God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
God’s grace be unto you. Thank you for reading.
VIk,
Again a fundamental blunder…
Do you even know Biblical Scriptures are God breathed…
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
Do you even God’s word is eternal ???
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word
Do you even Know GOd’s word is immutable??
Mat 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.
Do you even know word of God lives forever???
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
GOD and His word never changes…..
Knowing GOd’s word through your human wisdon or understanding is dangerous …
For pharisees and scribes tried to understand GOd’s word through thier futile mind…
Jesus said to them…
John 5 :39You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirite and life.
John 16:13 However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come.
Apostle pauls says through Spirit of God lives life
2 corinthians 3:6And He has qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Spirit of God reveals things of God
1 Corinthians 2:10
10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
I have even written here an articlle in comment section knowledge of Bible is futile however Knowing God of the Bible is eternal life…
I see your statements self centered which means you have never had an encounter with the living God…
few examples
//Yes! I know that the apostles did mention that all that you have received is full and final.
But, surely it is not for them to decide what is full and final, right?//
If you would have known GOD it is not apostles who has written it but the Spirit of God inspired them to write so…
you might come up with a silly question ..How would you know whether it is from God or Apostle??
It is very Simple because My God lives and He speaks to me even today…
//I choose to worship with TPM.//
Did Spirit of God guided you to worship with TPM??? where is ithe involvement of Holy spirit God’s guidance brother???
//It is entirely my choice to listen to the sermons and then use the knowledge acquired in my life.//
Absoluely using the fallen state of a Man..Who desired knowledge of Good and eveil over God’s living word…
Eve applied her knowledge to justify her choice as you do exactly the same…
Genesis 3 :6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate;
You are not at all dependent on God completely…For Jesus said
John 15:5
I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing.
//I recall one of our chief pastors confirming what I just said.//
you are bringing cheif pastor to stand your arguement..According to your very own arguement.He is a mere man with flaws…Why do you bring him to solidify your arguement?? you contradict with your very own beliefs…
You have never met the Living God as Abraham,Isaac,Jacob,Moses,Joshua,Prophets,APostles etc,..
//This is where the Holy Spirit is supposed to play a role of guiding people in the right direction.//
DO you know Holy Spirit God in Person??
Your answer to other post Saying //it was not GOd but one of my brought me to this dite// clearly calls out you have never met Him…
Finally JEsus Himself said…
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
If you know GOd you will never ever able to hold any men in higher ground but God and God alone…
Dear Believer in Christ,
Where do I mention about deeper truths? I never called anything like deeper truths.
I debated on certain points mentioned in some of the articles and if my memory is correct, I haven’t mentioned anything like deeper truths.
Dear Thomas,
I’m sure it was you on June 4, 2017 at 9:54 am when you mentioned (deeper truths).
But to me it is not consequential. It makes no difference to me, but for you, I am concerned for you holding doctrines which are not in the Bible. And of course to God this makes a difference because it is not taught by him in his revealed written word, and in his mercy and love God will seek to correct any teaching that takes your heart away from him. Our God is a jealous God. “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” Now please don’t get angry, because it is possible that you might. This is the word of God and we should with humble heart consider it.
That’s it Thomas. I wanted to include you in my sincere letter to you because of your TPM connection, and TPM deeper doctrines.
With kind regards in the love of God.
Dear Harry
Great! We can understand that to what level TPM white clad saints & their followers can stoop down. They call the effort of this site to expose their wrong deeds a work of the evil spirit & the effect of witchcraft. Harry you mean to say that the murder, sexual abuse, coveteousness being practised by the TPM is the work of the HOLY SPIRIT? Shame on you Harry! I can’t believe that to defend the organization & its ministers one can even call the good, evil & evil, good. Read what Isaiah 5:20 says. Plz remember that by defending the organization & its evil deeds you can get to heaven.
I don’t want to take sides in this debate but want to bring in 2 key facts that I have authentic information.
1) Sunny is 90% blind and the discussion is revolving around a 90% blind person being in a secret immoral relationship
2) Jacob sent this letter only after his request for experience letter was turned down by both Stephen & Sunny even after he threatened Sunny with dire consequences. He wanted this letter so he can apply for student visa to US.
1) what does being blind have to do with sexuality ?!
2) experience letter for student visa ? As far as I know you don’t any kind of experience letter to apply for the student (F1) visa
Yes you dont need an experience letter but you may need to explain the Gap.Moreover, i guess an experience will make it help ful when some ratings are taken.
OR
It could be TPM’s way of defending themselves and giving a reason for keeping Pastor Sunny. Anything is possible. They are great story spinners
Brother ,
We are also aware of these two points.
Point 1 is the reason why the partner could take the video of the pastor without any issues. However, this Pastor Sunny has a long history and I have heard some even worse stories. We are not able to get other corroborations because it is quite old. Hence not able to publish it. Some people get caught when they are in their weakest moment. That is a divine way to make it clear that God is just.
Numbers 32:23
“But if you fail to do this, you will be sinning against the LORD; and you may be sure that your sin will find you out.
As far as the 2nd point is concerned, i think it was Gods provision to bring out the truth which would have been buried if the experience certificate was given. We know of many such incidents but could not publish it as we were not in receipt of any evidences.
Admin
I have heard enough stories about Sunny George that I do not need any more evidence.
The reason people don’t speak up and protest is because they fear ostracisation.
When I have asked people why they dont speak they say things like “Where will I go? What will happen to my children?”
They fear for their social standing – because this is the only society they know.
They fear the unknown.
It shows the lack of absolute faith.
The very fact that the owners of this site choose to keep their identity secret (as I do mine) is evidence that we all fear persecution.
We all are guilty of attending Sunday service and then criticizing what we don’t agree with.
Lets be honest about it.
Not a single person here is actually posting using his/her real full name.
We are all hiding behind the anonymity that the internet allows us.
As long as good people do not stand up and give notice, wickedness will survive.
This is true in all walks of life – social, political and professional.
Dear Vik,
In all truthfulness, I can say that I am hiding my name, NOT for fear of ostracisation. I will be happy to be thrown out of this wicked organization irrespective of the family pressures.
Eventually, I will get out of TPM if TPM does not repent and correct itself which I see a strong possibility. The reason why I did not reveal my name yet is that I know that the moment TPM knows me, they will throw me out. And once I am thrown out, I will lose any interest in this organization. If I lose any interest in this organization, it also means I will not care for it. Hence the organization will continue as it is. In the process, I would like to make it clear that I have not abandoned TPM without any effort from my side. I will NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE for the blood of TPM People which many others will be held responsible for. I know most of them will end up in an undesirable place because their foundation was not on the Rock Jesus Christ. I have shared the truth as I have known it. My Name will be revealed in due time.
Dear Vick Gant,
I have talked to many people about the exclusive doctrines of tpm, nobody could give me a scripture based reply.
You have started questioning even the blindness of pastor sunny. This is what we’re also doing. May God bless you with abundant scripture wisdom and knowledge.
@Abraham….
1) Lol….Blind person Cant do sex..!!
They have no feelings,emotions…
Great understanding Bro..!
2) if jacob apply for experience letter,
Why did nt they reject ?
Even he go to us,canada, etc., Itz his personal freedom..
Is it sin ??
Why dnt u worry about Jacob..??
Here the Main issue is Sunny pastor.!
Nowdays Certificate issue for sunday school students who passed 11th..
Am shocked. When Jacob left frm ministry.
Nxt sunday meeting,Elder in charge told publicaly , Bro Jacob left the ministry bcz of doctrine issue…!!
As i brought up frm Tpm ,Nw 24yrs….!
First time i hear in sunday meeting..!!
Why didnt he blame publically in sunday meeting..??
Simple Answer, To cover up sunny issue..
This issue again prove that..
On God’s day …Reval all the secret sin..!!
This is the lesson ,learn frm dis..
Am fellowship with TPM church , But am stand for Truth.!
@Tpm supporters ….
Why dnt u arrange a debate with admin ?
Regarding doctrine issues…
If TPM HAS GUTS, ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE??
WHY did Tpm afraid ??
If the doctrines preach by Tpm is true.!
Prove to the world..Reveal it..!
Recently a debate conducted by brethren church & pentacoast churches|||
@Admin..
In order to conduct debate.
U should reveal ur details, fellowship..
Oh sure..The Admin and his team will readily provide the details …But we are not willing to debate any small fry of the organization …We need the people who are steering this organization to be the debaters. It needs to be publicly telecast and needs to be in a neutral premise.
Abraham
I have heard so much about the pastor Sunny matter that I actually am questioning his level of blindness.
When I consider what he himself has told other workers and believers about what happened, it leads me to believe that the man is liar.
By the way, I have heard it first hand from people he has spoken to face to face to explain his side of the story.
I have never spoken so poorly about a TPM worker as I have respect for most of them.
But this matter was so disgusting that I asked around and there is too much evidence of impropriety that I question everything he says.
I feel bad for the people of his new congregation who will have to put up with him.
I have only met the man a couple of times and he comes across as quite charming in person.
I am also sympathetic to the people who have fallen for his “charm”.
I am sorry to say that I have serious doubts about his true identity and if I get a chance I will question the leadership for their decision to merely transfer him.
At the very least, he should have been put in a position to ponder upon his actions and serve the rest of his ministry in silence.
I know I am talking to bunch of fundamentalist Christians who, based on the ( as Vik rightly mentioned ) mostly outdated laws of the Bible, consider homosexuality a big deal ….I also know that the content of this letter may or may not be true ….But if that’s true then the church would do itself good if it can look into itself and realize the rottenness of their hypocrisy when they don’t seem to care about one of their Zion bound leader committing an apparently “big deal ” crime …
Abraham,
What do you want to prove? Visibly challenged people don’t have emotions (sexual) or all their immoral activities are legal being visually challenged?
You are trying to shoot the messenger?
For the student visa to US, nobody asked for an experience certificate for my daughter. I feel it is really strange and your intentions are malafide.
Dear Vik,
Please have a look at what the Holy Spirit led Paul to say:
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.”
Vik, can you really not perceive that ‘fromtpm.com’ ministry is following this command from God?
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds:)
Casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalteth itself against THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, and bringing INTO CAPTIVITY EVERY THOUGHT TO THE OBEDIENCE OF CHRIST: 2 Cor 10:4-5
Simply put, spiritual victory is won over Satan’s use of false teaching, lies and deceptions in the church by flesh and blood Christians, who apply spiritual Biblical truths, together with the power of God’s written Word, the power of the Holy Spirit, the authority of Jesus’ name, the power of Jesus’ blood, with persevering faith, all these mighty “weapons” being supplied by God.
This is really what is going on here.
One needs a readiness of mind, heart and spirit to revenge all disobedience by letting obedience be fulfilled. 2 Cor 10:6
This is also necessary to gain the victory in the confronting spiritual battle.
So are you willing Vik to obey God’s Word?
That really is (one of) the most important questions for Christians.
Kind regards.
Brother,
Vik is a worldly nice man who has a self-made illusion of what is Christian Like, Ethical, Nice etc. These are the faculties of the Natural Man.
However, the Scripture says the Natural Man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1 Corinthians 2:14
He does not consider the ways of the Spirit and it is offensive to him. His Godliness is still strongly tied to the workings of the TPM Ministers who we know are masters in deceptions.
Oh how terrible it is!
And how sad for our dear God and Father in heaven, who stretches out his loving and mighty arms, offering free forgiveness and new life to everyone who comes to His one and only dearly beloved Son, the world’s Saviour, Jesus Christ, in humility of heart and with true repentance and true faith.
Yea and Amen. For truly, truly the gospel of Christ is the ONLY power unto salvation to every one that believeth in that man – Jesus – whom God hath ordained to give life to all who repent and believe on HIM!
To everyone that opposes the saints and faithful brethren of fromtpm.com, let them hear the words of God [So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55:11] and let them fear God.
For our God is a consuming fire! Unto destruction for the apostate and unbelieving, and unto holy living for the saved in the body of Christ!
For unto you, TPM, is the word of God faithfully now proclaimed, so that you are without excuse. Many have not been so loved by their fellows in such an apostate condition! So many souls have not been so extensively reached because their church-fellows don’t have the IT internet capabilities that the fromtpm.com saints have been gifted by God to use!
In reality, all the detractors, who are so mercifully and lovingly sought out and led to this site by the heavenly Father, (for God absolutely will not be silent in the face of iniquity and sin in the body of Christ), seem to spurn the sure Word of God and cling to fallible churchmen’s wisdom, showing such hard and stubborn attitudes, thus grieving the Holy Spirit, and by making any manner of excuses, they show they love darkness, because, as the Bible says, it hides evil deeds! Unbelief is evil and sinful!
Oh, how terrible it is!
Fellowmen and fellow-women, fear God, for He says in his amazing longsuffering love – I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So dear folks, while you have breath from God today: hearken unto His voice.
9 O fear the Lord, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.
10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.
11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the Lord.
Psalm 34:9-11
And I say, rise up, rise up ye His saints with all your mighty armour on, for Jesus has won the victory! Continue to proclaim the Word of God boldly. For just as it seems all is lost, no, the enemy is feeling the power of the sword of the Spirit against his lies and deceit; the enemy is weakened by the truth going forth and so the enemy makes his desperate last kicks; but the Bible tells us, Jesus reigns above all things, things in heaven, and things in the earth, and things under the earth. Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil!
Sing Hallelujah!
Don’t be dismayed! For the Lord stands by His Word. He will deliver those stolen, the lame, the blind, the broken-up and those without a helper.
Has He not said, and will He not do it!
Behold, see, your God is come!
Sing Hallelujah!
Jesus said: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me (JESUS CHIST THE HOLY, LIVING, SON OF GOD), because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. Luke 4:18-19
Let’s stand and see the deliverance of the Lord!
To all TPM diehards all over the world,
Kindly read Galatians 3 without tpm lens. It starts with
You foolish Galatians(TPMites), here you can see the position of Abraham. Your claim is that Abraham won’t go to Zion or New Jerusalem. Please read it thoroughly the entire chapter. I am quoting a few verses.
Galatians 3:6-9, “6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[c] 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.”
Galatians 3:14, “He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.”
Galatians 3:16, “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ.”
Galatians 3:29, “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Please see the position of Abraham, he is not a third grade citizen as assigned by tpm. May GOD open the spiritual eyes of each one of you. Amen.
TPM Ministers are not Abraham’s seed (Galatians 3:29). As we have been proving time and again, they are Alwyn’s seed. Therefore, they put down the Father of many Nations and has replaced him with A C Thomas as a Father of Many Nations.
Where is RG and others? Their tyre is punctured or what?
Lol!!!
The joke of the year….. LOL….. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I’m from a TPM Church under Thrissur centre. Sunny pastor has taken charge of Thrissur centre and he’s coming to our church next week.. waiting to see this great personality?
Good. But be careful with the young boys in your assembly . 1 Corinthians 6:9
Rather wait to see Jesus
do you have any stories for the Ashish debacle and Jose debacle?
LP,
Who are they? The way you present the case seems that you know them well?
Finally The Truth is out !!!
I came across this website yesterday and I am glad and happy the culprit is finally exposed…
After many years of prayer and waiting finally God has exposed this false prophet.
I need to expose this man ( Mr Sunny ) to the world. Me and my friends while we were youths were victims to this man’s deception. Finally many of my friends had to leave this fellowship and go to other churches. Thank God, we are away from the clutches of this deceiver.
He has been deceiving the church for many years and lot of innocent believers have been fooled by him.
Like to give you’ll two theories why the church is still keeping him.
1) Mr Sunny’s teenage lover is a famous magician from Kerala. At one time, Mr Sunny told us when we was coming for ministry , the most difficult was parting from his lover. But he kept in contact with the magician even while in the ministry. We have seen the magician visiting Mr Sunny in the Faith Homes while in Kerala. As youths we always had a doubt, that Mr Sunny knew magic himself which could hypnotize people. So innocent believers was charmed by him and will believe him. In other words he was Sorcerer himself. Just like in Acts 8:9-11.
2)
The late chief pastor Pastor Wesley Peter was another of Sunny’s victim.This was know among the workers and some believers. There are times Sunny has openly told during sermons and while talking about his love for Pastor Wesley. We had always a doubt as youths the relationship between Pastor Wesley and Sunny was beyond. The church is protecting him now because of this. In case they ex-communicate Sunny from the mission, they are scared and worried that Sunny might expose the truth out. The entire church and foundation will be shaken. To know that a chief pastor was also a victim to the carnal sin of Sunny. We have heard of Pastor Wesley secret visits to Dubai Faith home to spend time with Sunny.
The church had good and dedicated servants of God, during the start of mission. But when we realized the hidden secrets in this church.( In fact the time Pastor Wesley became Deputy Chief Pastor, the church started falling ), we realized to flee away. And we left the fellowship .
I am glad finally the truth is out.
( I have referred to Sunny as Mr Sunny throughout, since he does not have worthiness to be called Pastor )
Hari Hari Gopi kishan!! This is height of making stories. There is a limit. Do not cross your limit. Dear readers, we know all know that fallen people from Zion build up story about Tpm when they leave the church. They spread lies. Did you read he said he is fallen from tpm. What is more left to believe him. It is sufficient proof that Pastor Wesely might have punished him when he was in Tpm and he was captured by devil. Therefore he is full of anger against Tpm and pastor Wesely. Listen you, None of your weapon will prosper against Tpm. You are a liar liar and biggest liar. More bigger than admin and his supporters. I declare you never come again to this site. I declare protection to saints. Go away!!!
After getting lost for sometime, Harry the potter has now arrived to spell Hari slogans !
I think in his last comment he said that he will never come to this website because of witchcraft?
Hello Donnie Darko,
I came because this fellow Gopi said there was connection between magician and Pastor Sunny. I think this fellow himself is male witch. I will protect my church believers until last breath in my body. A watchman watches trouble from far off and it is his duty to inform city people. So I am seeing your cunning deceptive technology to engage people in talk with them and then slowly send magic spirit along with your sentences.
@Readers, who hath bewitched you to listen to these backsliders? Are you so fool to start with flesh and end up spirit?
@Donny Daniel Darko
Do not try to engage me in talk with you. You cannot capture my thinking. I will not reply to you. Go away you also!! Get lost!!
Harry, the Hari charmer aka “TPM watchman” has replied to my comment saying “I will not reply to you”… interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOP9ZFhnBUA
Your “Go away” dialogues reminded me of this …What makes you think that any human being, even if it’s the so called Chief Pastor of TPM, is immune to the so called “sinning”??
Dear Gopi
This is indeed a powerful bomb shell upon TPM. It’s unbelievable! How such things are being practiced in an organization which claims to be the best church? Truly, the Spirit of great delusion is working among the TPMites which is why they are blindly following these hypocrites.
Harry the great watchman, TPM really needs you most at this juncture. Try your best to watch over the white clad saints that they could continue with their filthiness & perhaps you also will get a crumb fallen from their table. Do your job faithfully & you will be rewarded with gold medal by the chief clergy of TPM during the INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION @ IRUMBULIYUR in March. Plz invite us to watch that important ceremony.
Ebyson.
I know it is a den of all filthiness and almost all of them are homosexuals, heterosexuals, lesbians, phone sexual etc. If these people are saints, then who is wicked.
it’s time to explode, people are getting to know abt this even lot of TPMmites knows this but still not bold enough to talk and it,
pastor sunny cannot be excommunicated hope fully he will be killed by their own team, or fall sick soon and die soon by slow poisoning and he will be sanctified and all evidence will be buried along with that, this is not the first time,
One fine day we can hear he died of heart attack or something else,
After that who is going to ask abt this issue,
Their usual tatics..
Better it’s time to bring out there conversation recording and make it public, or video evidence that will shake the core,
Even then they will say they’re the holiest of all,
Open ur eyes and be watch full..
Now TPM knows they cannot hold long and fool people, they are shaking to the core..
Hope fully there will be a new revelation new edition will be introduced to manipulate and brain wash
To keep these poor people under control,
Dear Pro-fromtpm.com
I think that people like Thomas,RG & etc., won’t believe even if God Himself reveals the filthiness of TPM. They are so blind fanatics that in order to defend their CULT, they will prove even God wrong. I think they are ignorant of Proverbs 17:15, “the one who acquits the guilty and one who condemns the innocent – both of them are an abomination to the Lord.”
Dear above all brothers.
We read all the details including letter.
However if anyone speak against the Doctrines which TPM follows we oppose bcs it is really the right as per Bible.
But Speaking about Pastor Sunny.There is a slight doubts in most of mind becs there was (for him )a an un usual attraction towards goodlooking young boys.
We checked with many of our believers and 90% people little accepting this truth.
As he is from Malabar (I am not blaming all Malabar people) but most of youth plunged into this mal practise in this area. In our Calicut centre there are belivers who married and having children but they are Homo .There is one Elder in one local and caught several time practising Homo sex in faith home.And Mothers are afraid to keep their young boys with him.
So by so many reason in Sunny’s case it may true. But it s very shamefull to say in public.I heard from one believer that Pastor Sunny abused his own son many time in (Thiruvella centre local)but as Sunny is very respected person their family kept queit on this matter.
Sunny was practising this since long time.But nobody knew this secret.
Though this story is true it doesnt means TPM is wrong.
Tpm is a huge organization now. A chief pastor cannot send away a centre pastor on this issue. If he do that the whole administration will colapse.
It was Sunny’s duty accepting his mistake and get refrain from ministry at least for sometime. There is no doubt he committed sin and were practising same since the begginning .
We doubt he lost his sight because he may consumed over dose of Viagra.
Because for an older person to practise homo sex need extra power to his penny.
By interviewing the partners only can come to know.
Becuse of his Diabetic there is no chance to loose his sight at this age and he is not a over 500 diabetic patient too.
One thing we believers must understand that Worshipping this Saints blindly Instead of Worshiping God , God will throw away this saints in front of us.
That is what is happening. God gets forsake them because we believers giving Glory to them which is belongs to God alone.
This is time of determind the True and False in among our Saints.
This man is a great prophet. So all his prophesy were lies?What to do?
Brother
I am of the opinion that not even one TPM Specific doctrine is biblical. I would be glad if you could prove even ONE of those from the bible.
@alex thomas
So u are comfortable wih the doctrines ..?
Dear Alexander
You said that if anyone spoke against the doctrines that TPM follows you would resist because it’s right according to Bible. Can you prove some of their doctrines that I am placing before you with relevant reference?
1. The doctrine of Zion only for TPM minister.
2. The doctrine of separating married couples in the name of consecration.
3. The doctrine of Not allowing the brothers & sisters to do their needful duties to the parents.
4. The doctrine of unmarried male-female members staying together.
5. The doctrine of designation like Cheif Pastor, Deputy chief Pastor, Associate chief Pastor, Centre Pastor, Pastor & so on.
There are so many but, you plz answer these first & I will be grateful to you.
Dear
Bible versus not written for any particular group or churches.Zion is not for TPM. Zion in new testment doesn’t denote a Place but a Respect or a statics which Father gives For The people who followed His Christ.
TPM blending this truth for their own benefit and that Idea brought in church by Pastor Alwin. Pastor Paul was against for that and Pastor Don Spiers corrected this mistake publicly.But still this old male doctrines continue in many of uneducated workers.
We believers strongly not support for recruiting young sisters for this ministry and living together ministry.
But it is not easy to change the route because it will create a great problem in among church structure.
So if you got a correct vision why don’t you start a good Church with perfect doctrines.and sure God will bless you. Always condemning TPM TPM TPM will bring arogation in the mind of true believers.
We knows our saints are wrong in many many practise. We admit there are so many abominations goes on in faith home.Pastors are many using their smart phone to watch porns in the night time.
What to do. Where we will instead. Instead of criticise why don’t you show us a Perfect Church and Leaders then we go there.
Thank you.
Brother
You seem to be justifying all things inside TPM just to preserve the church structure. You very well know that this structure is the cause for many sins. But you love the very thing that causeth you to sin.
Did Jesus say so?
Let us check out Mark 9:47
And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,
So according to the above verse, it is better to dismantle and throw away this wicked church structure than lead many people to hell fire.
In case you want to see the perfect church, Look at Jesus who is the head. Look at all other Christians as brother and sisters more honourable than you, by removing the denominational wall set up by TPM. Do not even think in your mind that they are any way inferior to you.
Love them in your thoughts and deed. Help the poor and underprivileged by your substance and support. Do not look at the structures build by Humans in the form of organizations to keep the True Church of God divided. If you do so, you will do well.
Brother Alexander,
It has been quoted several times that we are not against any individual mistakes in TPM. The first priority is exposing false teachings and asking believers to think & engage with us on it and correct their doctrinal status. Once that is done, it doesn’t matter to this website team, if someone remain in TPM or not. Their work of informing what is right and how deviated is TPM version from it, will be over. Unfortunately some mistakes must be exposed to remove scales and lump from the eyes of believers to prove the false sinnless claim of TPM saints. It is sad to read your comment which says tpm doctrines are ok as per bible. So do read all posts and engage in discussion biblically. Anthony brother and admin has requested you to defend any one of your tpm doctrines to start with. They will be happy to prove to you that tpm doctrines are twisting of Scriptures and not right as per Bible.
Brother Alexander,
This Pastor Sunny was ministering at Palakkad (Kerala) faith home last Sunday(18/06/17). He was on the stage without any support like crutches or to guide someone etc. By holding on to the mike he said I can’t even see this mike, people sitting in front, if anyone come to me and I ignored them please don’t feel bad because I am blind.
After sometime, a brother of that church kept one cup of tea on the table and left. Without telling anyone he coolly picked up the cup and drank the tea without anyone’s help. Can a blind man do that? What a hypocrite he is? What is his intentions? Sympathy to cover up all his adventures? Shame on him and the silent spectators of the church also.
Brother Alexander,
I appreciate your courage of openly accepting there are many immoral saints. Still you call these men saints? If they are saints who is wicked? You attend some meetings irrespective of denominations then you may be able understand something other than the doctrines of TPM. May God bless you with more spiritual blessings and understandings.
Correct. Attend some other churches.Then you can understand there are children of God in other churches who worship in truth and spirit. But at first TPM people may feel uncomfortable when they see people wear colour dresses.Because TPM people give much importance to outward appearance.
Brother Anthony Parker,
Great questions. In spite of accepting many of your arguments brother Alexander seems to be clandestinely supporting tpm. May God bless you with more and more spiritual revelations and understanding apart from the doctrines of TPM.
Dear Alexander
Earlier you have said that the TPM doctrines are right & biblcal. But now since you have said that many things in TPM are twisted by men, I truly thank God. Still three of my questions are not answered; take your time & prove them.
You said that why do we keep condemning? There is a strong reason behind it, these TPM folks despite filthiness galore, claim to be the best church. It’s ok if these people invite the non-believers or non-Pentecostal people to their church & tell the gospel. But these sheep stealers target mainly the believers of other Pentecostal church. Dear Alexander, don’t you think that these greedy people do this just to add more money to their monthly income? When are they going to be content with what they have? Don’t you think that, it’s one of the main qualities expected from a true servants of God. For me these TPM ministers are the two daughters of horseleach (Pro.30:15) which cry, give,give,give. They are never content-the greedy dogs.
You said that you are against the recruitment of young sisters in the ministry. It’s not the young sisters alone but seniors are worst the worst. It’s a fact that one mother who is still a local mother asked one minister in charge then (ex-TPM) to give her a kiss. She was above fifty when this incident happened. The same senior sister once entered the room of the brother late night & straight away held his private part. Dear Alexander, it’s not the matter of young or old but all these are because of wrong system & high protein food they consume.
It’s the senior who fill the innocent mind of young sisters with all dirty things. I know some young sisters who confessed the dirty game of their seniors. Senior sisters often tell that, now they are on permanent menopause so they risk nothing but the young sisters must be careful. I don’t need to explain what the seniors mean by that. My dear Alexander for me the state of TPM is similar to what Isaiah had said. “For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.” Isaiah 28:8
Regarding sheep stealing,
One thing is many of the TPM ministers truly believe they only will be raptured in the second coming,so they invite other pentecostals to their mission.Another reason is that it is very risky to lead non believers to faith.If they concentrate only on pentecostals they can fish without wetting their hands.
Pastor Sunny is indeed a Sorcerer…I also know his connection with the magician from Kerala…
Why is the TPM church still keeping him ?…Has he hypnotized the Chief Pastors…Why is the believers in TPM not revolting or stop him from preaching in the pulpit…Dear TPM believers it is time you’ll ex communicate this man from the church…Fast and Pray that his man be asked to leave the TPM church.
Most people witness immoral behaviour and turn a blind eye because of their apathy.
They try to convince themselves with excuses such as “God will take care of it” or “We should only look to Jesus!” or “Why get involved?”
The fact is that they lack the courage to stand up for right.
This is how a lot of the evil in the world gets normalised by the wicked by turning evil into the new normal.
There was a time when immorality and unethical behaviour was shunned.
Today, we live in the age of rehabilitation.
Every one has a second inning to play.
It takes one courageous person in each congregation to make a difference.
But that is sadly not the case.
Let not this site turned the hunters of TPM but talk honesty with God.
It’s true and evidenced truth about Sunny. He is Home person. From beginning he was a Child abused person.
There were many many Homo and Lesbians in where unmarried people live together.look at Nunneries and Roman Catholic,Maharshi,Jyothis,and Mormonism,Budha Yogi’s etc.
The main problem is unmarried stay together. In the bigginning Brothers and Sisters were staying separate.Then Pastor Alwin introduced live in together. A man can practise in certain level singleness.But a Woman cannot maintain their lolniness.By seeing sisters beauty man fell in secret sin first.Then slowly he fell in abomination. They practise Masturbation in secret.until woman reach their 60 she cannot practise a holy life.This is a human error which fixed by God.
Let me ask to all criticise one question.
Can you say you never masterbated??
Can you say you never looked at any woman with lustfull thought??
Is there any woman who can say they never had sexual thinking??or desires??
So it is natural thing in every living creatures.
Now as we dedicated ourself for a Holy life even still our penny and vagina and woomb are in working condition.
It’s made as a auto spring actionate.
Even you don’t think about sex we can see our penny stand in the morning.
Can you cut it away???
Before and after menstural time every woman have a desires to have sex.Its a natural law. We cannot control it by saying Praise the Lord. Because it is manufactured by same Lord.
But an understanding and communication with our own body about our decision and dedication towards our Virginity to God can bring this desires not activatable with act of lust up to a certain level. But No one got 100% perfectness in this issue.
If any one get 100% perfectness then he will become as Brahma.
God will never allow Man to get this level.Thats why God splitted human with different tounge in Babel. God saw Man reaching in Heaven so He decided to split them. If any one become Brahma then there is nothing impossible with him.It is a secret with God and Man.
Come back to Sunny.
It is true he falled.But it doesn’t mean God will throw him out. If he admit and pardon sure God can use him again. But if our leaders cover it up and making believers blinds and dumps then that will cause many weak brothers and sisters to continue in their sin.
Here we believers too got the responsibility to expose these sins.
Otherwise we will loose the purity of of worship.
Live in together and washing brothers cloth by sisters all are wrong.
Once I saw one sister smelling the clothes of one brother which given for washing.
This should not allow.we are giving chances for our loved workers to do secret sins.
Talking always against TPM is not favourable. TPM is not our subject. We are the subjects and TPM is only Objects.
So let us control Subject first then objects will come fine.
Thank you.
Brother Alexander,
you want to say that everything is because of faulty system. Then search for a better a system and become the part of it to avoid the wrath of GOD.
I am amazed at how many out there are so interested in criticising someone based on a letter. I feel Jacob has been dragged into this whole incident to such a great proportion that he would also not have imagined. This site has spoiled his life and caused irreparable damage. Hope God forgives you for that. Coming to the video, in today’s world, how can you be so sure it is not a doctored video? We have seen image of famous personalities being tarnished because of doctored videos. The latest we heard from Thrissur is that he is doing a great ministry there. If he has done something wrong, he might have asked forgiveness from God. This site should not be a place for character assassination if you are indeed here to save people from wrong doctrines. If you want him to be tried by law, please file a case.
can you please update the pdf link again?
I grew up in the middle east.this is of great interest to me
Br.Jacob is not a fool to write such a letter without clear evidence. He is a well educated and respectful person. Also letter is done with knowledge of other witness too. Don’t just justify pastor Sunny’s actions. The point is why leadership not taking serious actions for wasting people hard-earned money and sexual pervertion. Leadership is ready to take action if a Sunday school teacher keeps even a moustache or beard. There is a faulty and hypocritical system here.
Dear Anonymous
I thank God for the change He has brought in you. As you said, Jacob us a genuine guy who can’t tolerate hypocrisy & dirty things. He is a man of truth & can’t lie. Sad to say that TPM leaders who are being worshipped by their members are the worst liars.
I started following this site with Sunny’s incident and now investigating and finding out many issues and this caused me to relook into all doctrinal issues of Tpm. I came to faith from a traditionl chrch. I was in different pentecostal chrches for few yrs and joined tpm . When I joined I know certain doctrines which are not right but my take was that won’t affect anyway my salvation if it is 144000 or Zion , these are all unseen things yet to be revealed as longs as the basics are fine. Any chrch will have some or other kind of drawbacks. But discipline and order which helped to keep unity in this church that attracted me first. Since I came from other denomination.
Now things r changed in 15 yrs. Money corruption..sex. rape. murder…. Selfish agendas..partiality ..rude mind…Wasting Lord’s money for building big faith homes costing crores while poor believers suffering. There is no proper leading .. this was not the case years back.something is going wrong.. From all what is happening… delhi issue..Current leadership is not capable of handling it. Unless drastic changes happening here. I am seeking Lord’s direction.
Dear AN
Yes, I want to clarify some of your statements that you have said about TPM. You said that there is unity in TPM. Yes, outward appearance of unity is very good in TPM but in real & practical life they have no unity. About the strict discipline; they themselves have no discipline but they want to impose strict discipline on the members. You go and stay in faith home few days & you will know what home is that. Most of them fight for petty things like food, drinks, cup & lid, matress, etc. One thing is true that unlike some churches they have no committee or election. They have one man show & rule the members with iron fist. Don’t be deceived by the outward look of TPM. It has gone beyond repair.
Can you give an example (based on your experience) of how they fight for petty things?
I am sure that, you know everything what kind of fight they have among them. Still since you have asked I narrate few to you. Most of them fight if they are not provided food in proper tray. Fight if they are not given tea or coffee with right amount of milk and accordingly to their taste. They fight if their clothes are not well washed & ironed. They fight if their food is not hot enough. They fight if they are given any drinks without a lid over the cup. I know every human has some or the other weakness but having such weakness & still claiming to be the best is not tolerable. Leave alone fighting but in fact the so called saints who professed having hated their own life should not even have such things in their heart. Such fights & argument prop up because they feel that they are not given the due respect. I say no use of wearing the white & keep boasting till one learns to deny the self.
There was one pastor Menon who threw the plate of food at the sister because it did not have beef in it. He wanted Beef in every meal. This is the Kind of “Saints” you get in TPM. Hypocrites of the Highest Order.
One white clad sister caught other white clad sister by her hair and they fought pulling each others hair. One believer had to request them to stop fighting as laborers working in FH were laughing.
At another occasion, one sister threw one plastic chair on elder sister. When I enquired about broken leg of chair, brother incharge laughed and narrated the cat fight incident to me. Fight started over a bowl of daal. Small sister had kept the daal bowl in fridge for herself and the elder sister without knowing this served it to one believer.
Sisters fight is very very common in faith homes.
One sister told me that she planned to put extra chilli powder in brother’s meal. Later she repented and informed this thing as common thing which sisters do if they have some grudge over local incharge.
One Elder brother ran to hit white clad small sister because she doubted his intention while she was going for bath.
One Center Pastor ran after small sister to hit her. Suddenly seeing a believer sister he stopped and returned back to his room from sister block. Believer sister was new convert and she was highly troubled when she saw greatly renowned Center Pastor in this avtar.
This organisation was never a christian church as it is founded on false doctrines. It appears from your comment that you are sincerely seeking the Truth and as the Bible says, you will find it. You did not chance upon this website by mistake but by divine intervention. Please don’t linger any longer in TPM , run for your life as it is judgement time and the misdeeds you are seeing are the effects of God’s judgement. It will only increase unless the leaders humble themselves and get back to the Word of God. The question is, are there any God fearing leaders in this cult who can put their foolishness and pride aside and take the first step.
Dear AN,
All the things you have mentioned are existing since the inceptions of CPM barring a few years under the leadership of Pastor Paul. The day Mr.Alwin took over the post of chief pastor all these things are going on unabated. So far the leadership was successful in hiding the wickedness through intimidation. Now through the social media many of the eyes are opened.
When you hear the speech of these white clad saints, just introspect how much time they are spending for the glory of our Savior and how much time for self glorification? This itself proves that tpm church is not controlled by Holy Spirit but some other Spirit.
Thank GOD for imparting HIS discerning wisdom into your heart. MAY GOD BLESS YOU.
@BRO.AN .
I agree with you some points as me too from the traditional > pentecostal > tpm attending fella .
reg UNITY : thats a big fat lie , two major divisions tamil /malayalee among malayelee 5 different groups within them .
they are very good @ the outward showcasing and display buh the church is in a very sad state spiritually in my country . most of them following the pastors out of fear only .the other pentecostals never claim any deeper truths but theyre way better than this pentecostal mafia . luckily the brother is anointed so we are blessed to hear some good sermons .
its kinda christian version of Puttaparthi sai cult (atleast they do charity better
than us ).
Many babas get exposed through video clips. The letter said about hard drives. Can’t that be posted and made viral. Name and shame.
But one thing shocks, Jesus forgave our amass of sins and should we expose? That parable shivers my spine.
TPM’s original doctrine is 100% biblical but present leaders are ignorant about those doctrines and practices and now they introduce their own ways in order to exercise their wishes and since the church is rich and no need of help from believers, they build palaces for their comfortable stay and by various doctrinal truths they try to suppress and keep away believers from their areas. Saying one and doing another thing, and they proclaim verses of curses if believers disobey their words. Taking the truth of implicit obedience to the sincere ministers, these ministers try to keep the believers suppressed and enjoy all undue advantages. As the mixed generations among Isrelites were a problem for their journey, the workers whom ministers forced to come for the ministry to get promotion, to get their wealth and money and to make use them to fulfill their lustful desires, and once a person go for the ministry, even their parents cannot go and meet them. why? Why they fear? Nobody should come to know the activity going inside, for which they use the word “consecration”.
Present leaders stopped the good websites by which believers conveyed the true gospel to the world which they received from our saints, and the same act became a snare for the leaders because now many websites came into existence in order to peel the onion. Since leaders themselves in use of net, this was a blunder mistake.
Secondly the doctrines which we talk in India is not acceptable at all in foreign countries and then why our leaders are strict about small issues. It is believed that all the people from all the country will be prepared by one doctrine and then how those people outside India can go at His coming? Our leaders themselves appear in dual dresses, why some ignorant leaders talk about white and white uniform and forcing poor believes to buy it at any cost for their children?
Thirdly as someone said, since our old saints allowed marriages with other pentecostal groups why our present leaders issued a circular restricting the believers to arrange marriage only from TPM. TPM has already tortured our poor daughters not to get married by instructing not to ask any dowry during marriage, and the property belongs to their parents have their share. If so why when a person come for the ministry, insisting that person to sell his / her property and bring it to the leaders? Many have the bitter experience but nobody wants to tell, because we can do all things in TPM, but nobody should say anything to the leaders. In what biblical point, the circular says, parents should not participate in their children’s marriage if it is outside TPM. Is it a fulfillment of 1 Timothy 4:1-2? It is high time to review the circular and take back. Many workers are not accepting it, but they keep the copy to use it when they want to use for some poor people’s case in order to teach a lesson. These are all a kind of sin, by issuing unpracticable and undesired circulars and making people to disobey the leaders. God is impartial and will judge. So high time to pray for the leaders. They try to put out the sincere believers who wants to follow the true doctrine, but TPM doctrine is right and we should not go out, the false teachers and workers should be eradicated from the Church.
Before very serious judgment from God, it is good the leaders come down and join hands with the believers and strive for the goal. Don’t try to say, workers alone will go at His coming. If no New Jerusalem, no Zion and that was our teaching.
Once believers were an head ache for the leaders and now the workers an head ache for the believers and leaders. Don’t try to force youths through meetings and prayers to come for the ministry, instead live a sacrificial life and love the people with a mind of service. What kind of service our sisters and brothers giving to the believers? Believers should render all the services for the betterment of leaders. For marriage, for death and burial, children’s activities, workers are least bothered and it is the full responsibiity of the believers.
Bro Teju
Good superficial confession. Which exclusive TPM doctrine is (was) good?
Did you all know that an another tainted Saint (CP) was resanctified in the same time as Sunny was, thru transfer?
Lol..We do not know..Was that Lalu? I have heard some of his sexual adventures.
Wow! Glory of undefiled virgins seems emanating from every corner.
Nope. I didn’t know about Lalu(maybe u should enlighten us on that?). But this CP was transferred from nagercoil center to trichy center to re-sanctify his promiscuous nature.
Can you please send us some more details about it at admin@fromtpm.com? Let us make people aware of these men who were ordained for destruction.
I have heard that this Lalu was like a temple ox at middle east and north india faith homes. People from Dubai may know better.
Brother why are you trying to have conflict in the church . I believe devil can’t prevail God. Leave your vain attempt. Think and try to do good. Just remember we are human being only , mere dust . Don’t try to be in place of god. Because God will judge one day . Do not judge before that . Praise the Lord.
It is 100% true that the servants of God in the TPM church are living a life of holiness in all the walk of their life. I born in this Faith and I am I closely watching the life of TPM servants of God and other denominations also.
The servants of God in tpm church are 100% dedicated for God’s ministry and they don’t have anything in this world as their own . They left everything thing in this world and doing the work of god.
A very small group of people are in this who left this ministry because they want to live with the world and they are trying to defame the church to whom God will punish .
Let God forgive those people who are spreading such baseless allegations against the holy saints of god.
Our saints of God (TPM) is truly trust in God and in god only their confidence and they are not looking any man for help .
So those who know tpm church and it’s saints of God will not believe none of these baseless allegations .
Again I will say to them ask pardon from the Lord and come back to the real fellowship that is the only way to escape from the eternal hell fire.
God may help for that. Praise the Lord.
//Come back to the real fellowship that is the only way to escape eternal hell fire// This one sentence sums up everything about TPM diehards. What a bunch of jokers!!
@ Raju
@//Let God forgive those people who are spreading such baseless allegations against the holy saints of god.//
Baseless!! hugh!! which one brother ?
Have you even read any of the article ? You seem as a frightened blind devotees of TPM , – blinded by gods of the world. You people dont want to come to light.
Baseless ?????
1) Expository articles in this site, against the heresies preached by TPM are backed by names of TPM published books and magazines and sermons which preach heresies. Did you verify?
2) Article in this website has given you official link of vatican to show you people truth about the roman catholic orthodox foundation of TPM? Have you verified?
3) Articles in this site have provided name of original authors from whom TPM have plagiarized. Did you check that? Are you blind sir?
4) Admin has backed up his exposition with scriptures and you people don’t have spine to refute. You have been brainwashed by this cult to do only two things – a) to worship you white fraud gods and b) close your ears and eyes to light.
May God have mercy on you guys!
Dear Raju,
Thank you very much for your concern for the people behind this site. Also your prayer to TPM god will not be needed for their welfare as they follow Jesus Christ of the Bible. I’m sincerely worried for you my friend as you are not able to discern the truth from the lie. You just cannot be a TPM believer and a Christian at the same time and this site has shown why that is so in simple English which any man with a open mind can understand. I hope you will open your eyes and see the lie in TPM and follow the Jesus of the Bible so that you and your household can be saved.
This is not about how holy or how consecrated or how celibate a leader of a denomination is. It is about what the Bible teaches and what that denomination teaches. If you read these articles you will be able to understand that TPM is a cult and is not christian at all.
Enjoy reading the articles and please let the audience know if you find anything wrong with what is being published rather than make sweeping statements about the holiness of TPM ministers and their dedication to their cause. We all know how consecrated they are.
Because you are all having the spirit of the fallen angel . Rebuke that demonic power and get out of it and come to the truth .
It is definitely a fallen spirit disguising as the Light trying to bring hatred among Christians. What do you all people do outside of Churches, when the world does not agree with the Gospel? Are you really using the same way as you reply here?
When an organization, or someone disagrees with you, do you stand defend all day along? You move to live the next day. So move on to a different denomination, or you should all consider forming a gathering and share the Gospel there, so people who are convicted of the Holy Spirit can join you there. Instead you just want to go on here. Posting Biblical knowledge and explaining Biblical truths in their context is good, but is that all you are commanded to do?
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
This is not about sitting and creating articles against a certain doctrine. It is to go into all the world out there souls waiting to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That therein is what every Christian is commanded.
@Sol
@preaching gospel to people outside tpm, — that we are doing brother. Don’t imagine.
@ writing articles against Tpm doctrines
Well if you do not know it is asked by the same Scriptures that preaches gospel, to defend truth and expose false teachings. The same Paul who preached gospel to gentiles also debated and reasoned using scriptures with Jews. Thus reasoning with people in error and preaching gospel goes hand in hand.
@Raju, @SoL
Simply claiming that people who oppose tpm are of the devil is poor argumentation. Why not we go to scripture are see of the criticisms are true?
You talk about division. It is tpm that has divided and severed itself from the rest of Christianity. It is tpm that brings a bad name to Christianity. All anyone can see in TPM is the elitism and pride based on unbiblical doctrines. Let me suggest you go to the articles that criticize tpm doctrines and tell us why we are wrong in our criticisms? After all, as someone from the “best church on earth having all the apostolic doctrines”, that should be pretty easy, right?
You should give this advice to your Chief Pastor as he has taken Jesus’s place. The leaders don’t understand their folly so how can you a mere follower be better than that.
You must rebuke the spirit behind your TPM cult instead of saying silly things. I cannot blame you as you are indoctrinated in TPM and you cannot see the Truth until God works in you.
@Suraj,
It is not necessary for you to defend that which is not directed towards you. If you are ‘Teaching’ and ‘preaching’, Praise God.
Let the ones who teach here, say the same.
Raju-Its 100 percent false that tpm clergy lead holy life.There were a few people who thought that their life was holy…people thought the same unfortunatel it was during the 1900s and early 2000s.I was here since i was a child so Ive closely watched them.There are few good people in tpm no doubt.The silent good people who dont have the guts to expose the lies.However their intention is good.And mind you its 0.5percent.But then again you have that one percent any religion or country or race.Thats not really a very holy attribute but a self righteous approach or rather the innate goodness in them.But dont confuse that its because they are in tpm.Now keeping aside that very few.We are talking about the rotten among the lot.Rev 19:8 says that white fine linen is not an external clothing very clearly.It is the righteousness of saints.So tell me just wearing white makes them saints?How and Why exactly did you call tpm clergy saints?How exactly can you closely watch the tpm “servants”of god and the children of god of all other denominations closely?Are you claiming to take the position of god himself of being omnipresent?Exodus 6:23 says Aaron was married.Psalms 106:16 says Aaron is a saint.So are married people of other denominations not to ve called saints?Do you know who is called as servant of god in bible?Moses,Paul and James and a group of people in asia,bithynia etc in peter 2:12 to 16 ….which tpm clergy doesnt fit the criteria due to many reasons which i can clarify if needed.You said they have nothing in this world as their own?Ever seen inside their cupboards?I have.So please say such foolishness else where.They have books with their names,phones,bags,money,suits,ties,etc which is of this world and they carry with them when they get transferred.They left everything in this world?No.They didnt.They ask for money so that they can take everything in this world.First you said god will punish the you said god will forgive.Brother stop talking exactly how your leaders talk.”Our saints of god( tpm )”shows very precisely whats wrong with tpm and what they teach in tpm.In the Bible.Ephesians 5:3 says who can be called saints.Now i know almost all of tpm clergy are covetous.They want tithe,firstfruits,visiting money,Marriage money,funeral money,convention money,faith home building money and what not.The moment they see gulf people they are coveting for gulf products and gulf money.Btw the word saint/s is almost used 68 times if Im not wrong but none of the instances matches with tpm clergy.
Dear
I am not interested for any debate or argument with anyone in this regard because I know the truth for which I am also a witness. But I have a request . Instead of criticising others , try to correct own life and make sure a safe eternity .
Why aren’t you interested? If you can’t defend what you believe using scripture, what is the point in believing it?
Seems in your heart you know that your faith will crumble at the first question itself. So in order to protect your false belief, you are running away. Why Can’t you stand like the Apostle Paul and Debate?
So he reasoned in the synagogue with both Jews and God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there. Acts 17:17
@Raju brother .
Relax and go thr’ all the articles from last year to till this day , then come to a conclusion ..
you are so faithful to Tpm , we all faithful to our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ . I ve witnessed some believers are recovered from the Tpm ‘hangover’ thr this site .. one day you too .
Again i say to you leave your vain efforts and do something good .
It will do you a lot of good if you read the articles and refute it rather than making childish statements.
Yes we the TPM believers likes be be found as a child in such matters . If u people are so clever it is good but like TPM teachings only.
Dear Raju
What is your reason to remain like a child after so many years? Are you Born again or Dead Again? You should be ashamed of saying that you love childish things now.
Have you read the below verse?
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 1 Cor 13:11
After so many years in TPM, if you have not yet grown up and still behave and reason like a child, what kind of food are you getting from the Pulpit and the clergy?
This is because you guys have not grown in spiritual discernment
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hebrews 5:11-13
Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults.1 Cor 14:20
@ Raju…No wonder with children like you, Sunnychayen is doing such a great ministry. Open your eyes and act lest your children also become enslaved in this perverted cult.
Hi apostate, could your share your email id with me.
hi confused ,
augustinejosephcem@yahoo.com
mail me anytime . God bless .
People like Raju and sword of light make TPM/NTC/NCPC leaders job so easy. They are like little children and the wolves deceive them so effortlessly with their lies in the name of God. Poor souls are being led to Hell by these false shepherds. It’s as easy as stealing candy from little children.
As normal tpm believer let me say because seeing this i am constrained say something . you people are the wolves who are trying to deceive children of God. TPM is a church having srong foundation in the triune God and this church have a strict discipline for the workers and believers based on the scriptures. Those who are not willing to abide in that will go out deceiving many . And even after going , why wearing the same garments (dress ) of TPM? Why singing tpm songs and so on …? We don’t have any objection for that . Every thing copied from tpm and accusing them is not good . It means that pretending as tpm saint deceiving poor believers who trapped unknowingly . The basic quality of TPM church the obedience . If a transfer order came , must obey it and go . And whosoever is with you are alike and all are disobedient and going after the pleasures of this world . If not you all must have been found in this tpm fellowship only . I have lots to say . Only one thing i will say my heart . Please do not deceive people wearing this holy dress of tpm .
Dear Raju,
//And even after going , why wearing the same garments (dress ) of TPM? Why singing tpm songs and so on …? We don’t have any objection for that . Every thing copied from tpm and accusing them is not good . //
You are one of the most brainwahed tpmites I have ever seen. What do you mean by wearing same garments? Do you know your chief fraud (Wesley) body was wrapped in suit and coat when landed in Chennai. Immediately they have torn it off and covered with 3.6 mtr wardrobe. What a bizarre arguments.
Tell me how many tpm songs others are singing. You and your other audacious day time white clad saints are plagiarizing others work. Shameless connotation. There is an article about Plagiarizing in this site.
So far tpm is not digestible for you and you like leave all their customs . Do some thing your own . Shameless ..
TPM (തെറ്റി പോയ മാർഗ്ഗം) to the core and you are the leader of fraudulent saints.
I will agree with you on certain doctrines that are just their feelings and opinions. Does that make us souls poor or rich to be led by false shepherds? Do you think we are so easy that we allow just anyone maurade on us when those of who us who seek the whole counsel of God and the Holy Spirit guiding in on us.
Say what you want, does not make one difference between you and any other ‘professing Christian’ who causes division.
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
The scripture does not give any liberty to speak your feelings and opinions to be thrust on people as Doctrines from the scriptures. If you are telling your feelings and Opinions, you better classify it in clear terms to the audience.
//Say what you want, does not make one difference between you and any other ‘professing Christian’ who causes division.//
This is quite an hillarious statement. Everybody knows that TPM is in the Business of causing division in the Body of Christ.
-Have you not heard from the TPM Pulpit that Other Christians are lower category ones?
-How many times have you been discouraged from having fellowship with other born-again Christians?
-Have you not heard from the TPM Pulpit that TPM People are special for God?
-Have you not heard from the TPM Pulpit that Only Consecrated Servants(Meaning Themselves) can perfect the Bride of Christ?
-Have you not heard from the TPM Pulpit that Pastor Paul was the one who got to Doctrine of Perfection, unlike others who just got Doctrine of Salvation?
-Have you not seen TPM Pastors disregarding your invites to a wedding because it is conducted by a non-TPM Pastor?
– Have you not seen a non-TPM Blood Bought Christian being denied holy communion?
-Have you not heard from the TPM Pulpit the importance of obeying the TPM Leadership or else you are disobeying God?
-Have you not heard from the TPM Pulpit about the awesome power their ministers have to bring blessings to you and curse if you do not toe their line?
….much more
Are not the above instances causing division in the Body of Christ?
SUPERB .. .. lets expand this to another article ..!
I just copied it from a different article on the site.
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It takes time for people to get out of this cult. Even the knowledgeable and powerful were/are deceived and lied to for more than 2-3 decades at the least. Everyone cannot (no one can) easily accept that they were taught a lie all thru their life time and that they were /are gullible; it makes them feel vulnerable. Even I took a long time to accept the true nature about TPM and its doctrines. I knew about a lot of the inside happenings of TPM, yet I couldn’t accept the inconsistencies in the doctrines of TPM. I used to argue that though the so called saints may fall to their lusts, the TPM doctrine taught is from God himself being delivered thru Holy Spirit and that admin has a personal vendetta against TPM. Being fed a lie from the childhood makes us gullible to keep that as a benchmark rather than Jesus himself. We enquire a lot about the worldly studies and check and compare them across with a proper benchmark laid by the worldly educational system, however, to learn the Christian truths and about salvation we don’t check it against the benchmark given by God himself, the Bible. Hence we falter.
A couple of things made me feel that admin could be right.
1. Any argument put forth to the TPM ministers will not be refuted thru Scripture. They’ll try a little and then will say don’t question the saints of God. They compare themselves with Moses and throw curses. On the contrary, The admin team (and quite a few others) always respond to the arguments and they respond thru scripture. I’ve read thru all 150 articles in this site and all the comments and hence I believe I’m eligible to say the above.
2. If the Saints of God try to answer our questions /arguments, they do it in a platform(during preaching) where we can’t put forth counter arguments. Whereas, The admin team provide an equal opportunity to express our thoughts and argument.
3. If the saints of God, including bro Teju, use scripture to refute, they cherry pick the verses. If we show them a verse which is contrary to their stand, they ask to the see that portion of the verse they told us and say it is God who revealed it to them. While on the other hand, the admin team use an entire context in their articles. They also provide the support verses and expound when we show the other scriptural references which might contradict their thoughts/article.
Now don’t think that I’m a minion of Admin. I was a very staunch TPM believer and have imparted TPM doctrines to many, for which now Ia repent. However, the above mentioned points show that admin could be correct. Don’t make admin and the articles as the benchmark. Compare it with scripture and ask Holy spirit to guide. Holy spirit is the one who guides us into all truth.
True Brother. I remember that many people cursed Admin and said he will die within a year because of the website. I for one know Admin Personally. He has prospered and is blessed in his life.
Another Argument many of the TPM Devotees say is that even Satan knew Scriptures so admin is inspired by Satan. I feel that is so stupid argument that they are exposing their unscriptural conduct by associating Admin with Satan. As far as I know, Jesus Countered the Scriptural twist of Satan by Scripture itself. He did not howl and cry complaining that Satan is using Scripture. TPM Fanatics are pathetic.
Some people think that anybody who agrees with Admin is a chamcha and wish that we hang ourselves. Let me tell those kind of people that I don’t know the admin personally and it hardly matters. But if somebody takes the pain and put the points put forward by Admin and the counter arguments in an excel sheet, first all you will not be able to find counter arguments in most cases and if at all it is there that will be without any biblical references.
Then there is strange behaviour initially they appear as sheep ? advising the Admin to refrain from such activities then as the Admin counters them slowly the wolf ? in them comes out and start sending Admin and chamchas to hell. I think mostly this kind of posts are from the clergy who keep unofficial smart phones in their white bag and the big white official pillar like phone in the pocket.
Most of the TPM brothers have access to this site and they can introspect.
Devil is always against God His saints..
Who is a saint? Scripture calls any born again believer a saint.. something which you wouldn’t know if you buy into TPM’s teachings.
Fortunately, Raju is not at all the target of the devil as he is neither God not “His Saints”
Enda Rajuchaya endinna e vyarthamaya varthamanam. Vallom upyogamulladu pariyanginil kelkham.
A brother in our centre has recently requested a youth in his church to supply him girls..Brothers are not supposed to have mobiles , but this brother has smart phone..Messages sent to this youth is available..Audio recording also available..Request is not to trust all blindly ..Young girls and daughters vulnerable..
Yes, that is true from what I have heard from a reliable source. Such things happen when you make the young woman jump in the Youth Camp. It is a filthy place for these lascivious men to enjoy. Do not send your daughters and sisters there. As we mentioned earlier, you can judge the tree by their fruits. And TPM Devotees need to know that if we had chosen to display all proofs, their holy guys will have to lift their Veshtis and run through the fields.
I am awaiting the voice recording.If you have it, please send it over to admin@fromtpm.com
Mr.Prasad name and shame.Btw admin if you have solid proofs like the recordings share it in the forum because there are people here like me who need it to prove and caution people with the sensationalizing proofs.The fact remains and it will remain that most people thought that tpm is the best church.Now after your good work of setting up this site they are like any other church will have problems and mistakes.But if theres no proofs and sensational evidence people wont realize that tpm is probably the worst of the lot.People know that fruits show the real identity of the tree.The lettwrs,recordings,photos,videos etc are the firstfruits of the rotten fruits that tpm clergy produce.Btw if admin has a problem posting it here please email me.
Which centre are you from prasad?Which branch?Who is that shameless pervert?Whos ogling at our women.And doing gross immoralities with our money.Where our families sit and “worship”Tomorrow it could be my branch.But rest assured I at least wont keep quiet but will be against all immoralities in the place of worship.People who want to live other life need to be excommunicated.Maybe they can open another of 35000 “pentecostal”church.Losers.
While meditating about qualifications of a pastor or elder of a church, it is mentioned Titus 1:6 he should be blameless, 1:8 should be sober , self controlled and should be heard of any misconducts and of good testimony. It came to mind and sad to see again how this person Sunny George can continue with his ministry as a pastor who lost his testimony in the matter of self control. Recently heard he is preaching across conventions in Kerala . Now every one forgot what he has done , as if nothing happened and few people who really knows what happened in this issue are now look like fools. I am 100 % sure after speaking to the witness ( those 2 elders who left ministry due to this issue at dxb faith home ) who have seen the video of his homosexual act and also I spoke to group of believers who came to meet pastor Sunny and what he said about this incident. According to him he was forcibly led to do that and he was unconscious as the the other person (his mate) over powered him. Also few believers contacted his prey and he told them that this homosexual act was with his consent. And not forcible done. And he got paid a big amount for frequent visit to faith home on Thursdays. It is true that usually don’t go for tarrying meeting on Thursday s. All know this. This prey has revealed this matter to an elder when sunny stopped paying as this issue came out and pastor made made this drama as this person came and stolen money. Came to know from reliable sources a hidden camera was installed by another br in charge to find this out . This is true. . Now it is removed after pastor Thambi came. The victim has confirmed to these believers that he got plenty of money and another church br has proof that it was transferred to his account in India
Few questions to all of you to think and pray
How sunny can continue as a pastor and church leaders can support him. Ok let’s agree he was forcibly led to do this. This he already confessed to some believers and if other way he had done it with mutual consent , so it is for sure this act happened in any case. How can a person involved either consicous or unconscious who involved in a home sex act to continue and all of the church hearing to his message .
God is merciful, if sunny has repented really and came out from this sin God may forgive him and save his soul which we desire too, he shouldn’t be destroyed.
But according to Word of God he has no right to do a pastoral work. He should go and do some admin work or take rest and let his soul be saved. But not minister to people. He shouldn’t fool people like this.
This is really grieveous and people should pray for this matter. Holy Spirit should reveal it to the leaders of this Church to take proper discipline and people should not be fooled.
Let God be true and every man is a lier.
I am writing this not making my own stories as it is heard from other sources.
Thanks
Further came to know that he has abused many boys in the region. Please those who read this and if you are an abused one, please report here anonymous. Don’t be scared. We should stop this evil spreading and save many falling to trap.
Well said Brother. A typical TPM believer has no spiritual backbone as he has been indoctrinated by these perverts for so long that they just close their eyes and treat these false teachers as “Vishudhan” (Saint). So St.Sunny George is untouchable as he is Zion bound and the poor believer who is Jerusalem bound needs these false teachers to hand hold them as they personally cannot see or know “The Way”.
The fishy thing in this scandal is the protection meted out to Sunny by the TPM Trinity. Why are they scared of Sunny? Does he know secrets involving similar acts by other Chiefs/Senior wolves? Were they also a party to these immoral acts? Is TPM a sodom? Many such questions come to mind.
Compare this to the treatment meted out to the believers – No communion if you attend your own kid’s wedding if they marry a non TPM believer. This cult is beyond redemption. The only way out is for believers to walk out and stop feeding this Beast as it will devour you and your family.
In any case if you are trying to reform this from within, all the best.
And you know what?
The Pontiff has the gall to come and tell in Tiruvalla not be believe us. What liars are these people. I still challenge to prove any of the facts we have said here to be wrong.
They do not have the courage even to name us..they club us together with WhatsApp and Facebook in their statements.Ha Ha 🙂
Recently I came to know from a worker br who knows this story very well who left ministry on this issue that pastor MT told him that we will handle this sunny case . And he came to know from his parents that this MT and team created a mock video drama just to manipulate the truth. In that video a women came to Sunny’s room for prayer and after prayer she got wild and pushing down sunny to bed , intention of this video to show that this is what happened in Dubai. Unbelievable , this is like what seen in crooks in politics who try to do anything to save them. M.T showed this video to few senior pastors just to make up this is happened. And also showed to the parents of this br who left ministry. What a crooks these people are ? Unbelievable.
We TPM has its own Ram Gopal Verma (M T Thomas)to direct such movies as well. These people do not have any fear of God.
Why would MT the heretic protect Sunny the predator? It doesn’t take a Sherlock Holmes to deduce that there is more to this than meets the eye. Is it a simple case of Malabar mapillais coming together or it is something more deep. Only Sunny and his brothers in arms will know.
Were some of these brothers high in the TPM hierarchy? Is Sunny just one of the unlucky ones who got caught? Your guess is as good as mine.
Friend of an Hedge must be a TreeDog. (Eeenaampechi-kku kootu marapatti)
They will do anything to protect this guy. Last week I met a tpm guy and he came to know I left tpm, while talking abt sunny he told me he knows about this homo nature of sunny while he was in Ernakulam. He had a doubt this sunny, as he tried to befriend with him too and he kept a distance. So this nature was not one of incident and look like sunny is an abused one from his young age and he takes his homo nature with smart young ones. I heard few things also from a worker br what happened to few boys in dubai. Now he continues with his games in Kerala , parents youths beware , wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Dear all,
Don’t Speak about any servant of God. No body is having rights to speak about other sins. May be your Next Generation will be caught hold in the same issue What will happen to you and to your family ????
Some may done wrong thing against you. Its Gods part to revenge them . Do not go beyond your limits.
Remember the death of Pas. John Thomas… whosoever walking not in the way of God their end will be terrible like him. Please don’t speak wrong about anyone and any ministry. If you are righteous come in to the Ministry and Correct it. If not Please keep silent. It will take a fraction of second to take out your breath from you or from your beloved Ones. Please Get Away from Wrath of God.
Lord Lay not the sin on their charge. Forgive them and their family.
Son Keep this superstition to yourself.
Please take a deep breath and read the following scriptures and meditate on that
Titus 1:10-16
Eph 3:11-15
Rev 2:2
first start one ministery and assign ur daughter or son as priest we will see how u r running ministery and how much ppls come to ur church…..let me challenge u u cant even take a nail from wall…many formed group like u and destroyed without generations…b careful dont deceived by comdeming others….
Oh Priests?
Do you even read your bible?
Well I am a priest as per the Bible..Just check out Revelation 1:6 and 1 Peter 2:9
You have been brainwashed…Request you to read few articles and get yourself cleansed.
make sure ur foundation s standing on aposles .
david has commited many mistakes but its gods duty tat he punished and forgiven him and came in his generation.
peter denied 3 tyms and god made him as cheif apostle.
paul against ministery but god changed him.
its gods duty to punish and forgive….
please make sure before u go pit arleast repent from pride and if u r really concenered start ministery against cpm and ask ur daughter and son to do ministery ….i challenge u …u cant even pull out single nail from wall….dear bro…make sure dont die like judas….if u r righteous god might choose u a servant of god …..
Brother Have you even read 2 Samuel 12 where Nathan confronts David?
Peter was made Chief Apostle? Which Bible do you read my friend? Just read Hebrews 3:1 and let me know who is the chief apostle Peter or Jesus. No wonder the TPM Boss takes up the Title of the Chief Shepherd (Chief Pastor) in violation to scriptures in 1 Peter 5:4.
If inclined, please do read this https://www.fromtpm.com/doctrinal-problems-the-tpm-chief-pastor/
Do you even know how Paul confronts your so called Chief Apostle in Galatians? Stop this TPMics and start talking some sense.
Check out the white clad frauds you call as apostles. https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/09/25/built-on-the-foundation-of-apostles-and-prophets/
@arul @sam
Standing on foundations of which apostles ? Tpm apostles ?
David didnt wear white clothes to deceive people. He never said i can live sinless overcoming life!! He accepted his fault before people by writing psalms 51. What about sunny George ? Dont you know sunny george preached gospel of perfection, which according to him is given only to TPM to perfect every man? Read it here..
https://www.fromtpm.com/www.doctrineoftruth.com/messages/message6235.html?saint=59&mess=336
Now you ppl become angry because site exposes how he tried to perfects young lads behind the scene.
Do you think we enjoy publishing someone caught in sin? No…
Listen this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H_8y0WLm78U
This is called as repentance and i tell you truth that no one here can dare to insult or ridicule people like her, who recognize that they are weak feeble humans..
The site only exposes hypocrisy and bring to light false claims of hypocrites
At least now come to knees before God and accept TPM’s claim of celibacy and faultlessness is blatant lie… I hope someday you will repent and seek righteousness of Christ which comes by faith…
Eli did evil in sight of god …but Hannah went and prayed in that house of god and got Samuel and left samuel there itself…Samuel lived a victorious life…. but not pointing out sins of Eli or Eli sons …..dear do u how David caught the city of Zion…go and read bible properly…if not ask me let me clarify you…..don’t point out others sin ….surely let me challenge you those who are doing sin never escape from sight of god….but if you keep speaking about sins of pastors ….God wil turn out your generations in to the same sin ….u wil c by your own eyes….write in your note ..this date and tym ….
Next did u studied about Saul…..how many yrs he was ruled as king and when he was rejected ….go and study …then talk…..even David feared to touch saul garment….till anointing s with them don’t speak against them….for your goodness I am saying
Friend. Just ranting here does not work? Hundreds are getting out of TPM by our Ministry. When we started, many people like you came with such stupid talks and then, later on, they realized their folly and left TPM. Welcome to the Club. If you are sincere and ask God to help out, you cannot remain in this CULT.
And yes, how come you are here and does not even read scriptures?
You mentioned Eli. Have you even bothered to check how God warned Eli? Read 1 Samuel 2:27-31
In the same way, we are here to tell and announce that we are the last warning for this wretched organization (Amos 3:7). The same way as Many destructions happened, we are telling all from top to bottom that you can choose to love the harlot daughter of Babylon. But Do not even try of thinking that God did not warn you. Personally, you have no escape as you have come to this site and you will be held accountable.
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. Rev 18:4
Remember the underlined portion. As you are blindly justifying Sunny and Co., you are SHARING IN THEIR SINS. The Only way to escape is to COME OUT OF TPM.
Coming out mission is incorrect. Read and live by the Bible. Where ever you go, there would be loopholes including a smallest group or even if you happen to start any. Be where you are and live by the Bible. But if God himself talks and takes you out, there’s a purpose and abide by it.
It’s not pointing bro. It’s more of admonishing. Do not the servants of God admonish their believer? Do not parents admonish their children? So do this group.
But if the group is saying to run away from TPM, I’ve it’s doubts. But if God spoke to admin to start this to move all people out of TPM, I’m sure God would have told many faithful believers too, which to my knowledge is incorrect.
Pas sunny may confessed before God…why u r bothering about his life…..u can’t do anything to cpm…just by forming group here that means all will come on your side ah……..even a worm will not come….better make some ministry against cpm…let’s c how many souls are saving in a year….dear don’t touch the ark of covenant ….already your soul s dead …..make sure not your body die in hypocrecy….Satan s using admin as his mighty weapon …
Haha. Pastor Sunny(MAY)Confessed to God?
Just confessing to God does not work…Read Luke 15:21 and know that you are expected to confess to the person against whom you have sinned. As far as I know, this Sunny has sinned against the whole congregation especially in Dubai…He needs to openly confess to be believers in Dubai and repent of his lecherous ways. No Other Option. Stop defending that Man… Remember Achan and know that the entire group bears the burden for associating with him(even ignorantly). Ignorance is not a bliss. Hosea 4:6
When the sentence for a crime is not speedily executed, the hearts of men become fully set on doing evil. Although a sinner does evil a hundred times and still lives long, yet I also know that it will go well with those who fear God, who are reverent in His presence Eccl 8:11-12
Bro let’s not talk harsh. This is what Bible teaches? If they are exposing and you research and prove it correct, please pray for TPM to come out of sins and mistakes and take the narrow way to heaven. This is godly.
see dont bend will of god as per your own will….i asked questions how many years saul did ministery …..hw many years he did faithfull …..david never ever pointed out his mistakes……..god rejected him atlast….read bible fully….dont put some words and escape…hw david caught city of zion ???……..dont take bible words as per ur own understanding……y u r not starting ministery …..start againt cpm…u cant even make one branch like cpm….hw dare u talk ……….bring ur son or daughter in ministery same like cpm and let us see hw many ppls start about u and ur family….before talking about others just analyze urself…….u cant even pull out one meeting out of cpm….no one wil come near gutter……dont worry….many ppls came with purpose to destroy…but they destroyed without address….it wil not make a second to take a life from you….god wil not do immetiately…..but slowly he will do….nothing s going to happen bec of u formed group……….one of my uncle did against cpm but died like pas john thomas….same wil happen ..dont worry ….
Dear NameChanger,
Stop your Nonsense. If you can reason based on scripture you are welcome…Jumping from one point to another like a frog just proves that you have no face to stand the truth of the scriptures. If you are satisfied with your white clad frauds, be there they will lead you to the place where they go. As for me and my family, we will follow the Lord. PERIOD.
People like you are a testimony to the world how blackmailed are you and is fearful of taking these frauds on face to face. Sorry for your pathetic state of fear. 2 Timothy 1:7 All along you have been acknowledging that they are at fault but you are bound by their bondage of threat and retribution. May the Good Lord Deliver you.
Get out of this nonsense cult if you love your family. They will soon be out of this …
Sorry to say that you are an idiot who would not use what God has given. The Entire TPM hierarchy was supporting John Thomas when we were the ones against it and now you are citing John Thomas and threatening us showing this fake snake. If you have some sense you will read this article and know how we were the one who called out this fraud Stephen and Co when the rest of TPM was under the table fearing for their own lives.
https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2016/10/27/are-you-with-the-murdered-or-the-murderer/
In fact, you should be telling that the fate of John Thomas awaits all TPM Ministers. It started with Wesley whose body was mangled into a gunny bag. In fact, his plans did not materialize as he never thought that he will die so fast. From what I hear, he had planned to make SUnny the Chief assuming that Stephen and Jayam would precede him to his fraudulent Zion.
Dear MHD,
Other than suicide, I wouldn’t classify any other kind of death as showing the level of righteousness in the person. Your logic is faulty to the hilt. If as you say that a person is righteous if he dies peacefully in the bed and that he is unrighteous if he dies a violent death, then Jesus and the 11 apostles (sans John- who dies naturally) would have been the most unrighteous guys. God forbid.
This is merely an emotional blackmail tool.
People like Multi Headed Dragon thinks that it is better to die as the rich man than be a Lazarus who had a painful end. This is TPM’s Doctrine. I am glad that I am now out of this mess.
hannah didnt go and point out sin of eli …..god did at ryt tym….neither she left the temple and start another ministery like you….read bible fully….samuel started his ministery in the same wicked house …he was victorious ….but putting some bible verse and escape wont help u….read whole bible and start ministery ….otherwise u wil b like false prophet ……all fallen ones will come to you…but with u ppls not even can start branch as one like cpm….let me ask ….if u die ..who wil do next ……ur son ah………first make sure ur foundation is strong….one day revealed pas john thomas …like tat urs wil be revealed very soon
Do you have any sense of reasoning? Hannah did not point out the sins of Eli and neither did millions of Israelites. BUT A MAN OF GOD HAD THE CALLING TO DO THAT. That is the reference of 1 Samuel 2:27-31.
You can choose to be an approver and send out your daughter for the sons of Eli to enjoy (1 Samuel 2:22). It’s up to you. Use some sense brother which I see is lacking due to very strong brainwash.
Those who try to justify Sunny’s actions and tpm doctrines, i was in tpm for 15 years, I can testify this site helped out exposing acts of darkness working in and through many so called leaders and serious doctrinal errors. Those who seek truth with an open heart will find it helpful, those who are blind or enslaved to set of doctrines or a denomination will find it offended. God may use anyone or any method to expose darkness. I think this is what this site is doing. As Bible says ” Judge every spirit”, expose “deeds of darkness.” Paul has exposed names of his co-workers who later on got corrupted. If someone done something wrong personally to us, yes we shouldn’t expose it or judge rather forgive him, but if it is a pastor and aganist church , it must be exposed to avoid people are deceived.
Iam so greatly blessed spiritual y after coming out from Tpm. I can testify I was bound to set of teaching and attached to ministry and so called saints of God rather attached to God. When you know the truth , truth shall set you free. Praise God.
I pray for the admin who has the boldness and courage to expose force of darkness working in church and deceiving a big group of innocent people. May God give you more grace to stand for truth in future. If it helps few people to become true witness for Christ and stand for truth, that brings glory to God. If God be for us, who can stand against us. Truth shall prevail.
Amen
It is so sad to see some people take the place of God and punish people on their own. This kind of threatening is in the DNA of TPM. If somebody suffers from some disease these fakes quickly condemn and say it is because of the sins of that person. I don’t know how these TPM minsters and believers can read the mind of God
Dear idiots in devils,
if any one knows bible …answer ques asked by issac, raja and arul….u cant even able to pull out one nail out of wall….in your ministery who s giving baptism ….who s giving communion…..read bible then preach others……pray fr admin really he needs more curse …and want to come and attend funeral service of admin …will b like john thomas v r thinking….with in 2 yrs no more admin here ….take this word and write it in ur diary with date and tym….
Hey why do you have to keep changing names(multi headed Dragon (Rev 12:3))?
Ever heard of the term duckback? That’s what happens to your words on us. At least you have exposed the kind of spirit you are led by.
I have put up a new article for you and that should answer all your questions.
Click Here
@ multiheaded dragon
You you want to kill admin ? Murderer him for exposing sunny George ? Hmm …..
High command has ordered it ? Jezebel also took that oath to kill Elijah…. And judagizers took the same oath for Paul…. by the time two years time tpm will crumble to dust….
What better proof do we want of the kind of fruits produced in the tree of TPM?
I love to approve such comments as a testimony to the kind of products which come out of this organization. They can only give out, what they have. Yes they have godowns of Threats, Curses and all vile things in a nice white wrapping. Should we be partaking of this organization? People, please tell me.
Dear all,
hw many sins u did from birth and hw many secret sins u all ppls did….can u put here ……even forgiven by god ..list out here….before care fr others….care fr ur souls ……dont point out zion….first try to escape from lake of fire……
same like you ppls ..some ppls seek to kill adultress women but jesus forgiven her…. jesus said , whoso ever has not sin among u first stone her…..no one able to……all went with shame….i challenge all u hv secret sins but not even told to ur family members….first open one website and confess ur secret sins in front of all…
navin did you go through the new article? Please read it! It answers your questions. Everyone has some weakness but they remain normal before people. They don’t display arrogancy by demeaning other Christians or even Old testament giants like David Daniel Isaiah by saying they will be below us in eternity. When you belittle others by your propaganda then people should know that what you preach is only vain boasting not reality. This one case has come to light but how many are there hidden within walls of tpm? So it is necessary to expose and bring to light the real life of these vain boasters. It is not to humiliate them but to tell world that they could not achieve what they proclaimed. We should believe their unchristian teachings but learn to trust in finished work of Jesus Christ.
I am not supporting the admin or TPM peoples. I am a TPM believer and I know many TPM believer’s are reading this site. @ TPM guys – Why can’t you answer the accusations against TPM Church doctrine by this site through Scripture or Bible verses. Leave the Pas. Sunny George matter, but there are many article’s in this site questioning about TPM doctrines. There are many arguments from TPM peoples to defend TPM Church and I am expecting TPM guys will confront the admin with Scripture basis but disappointed with your responses. You always condemn admin but why you are not proving the accusations against TPM doctrine by this site are false through Bible verses? This is what we expect as a fellow believers. You might be stronger in faith and know the Bible better than me. We want to know the truth, which is correct. We can’t blindly follow any doctrine. Lord Jesus himself told ” You know the truth and it will deliver you”. Please defend TPM doctrine s with the biblical verses.
The admin is open to any debate based on scripture . I am ok with any of the article you can find in this site for a debate.
Dear Johnson
I appreciate your politeness & challange to the TPM believers to defend it’s doctrines with relevant biblical verses. But the fact is that both the TPM white clad & it’s naive followers cannot defend the doctrines because there are no biblical verses to do so because their doctrines are man-made & not biblical. Yesterday i was watching the world cup football match between Argentina & Croatia. Thee defenders of Argentina failed to stop Croatia from scoring three goals one after the other. You know most of the Argentinian players started playing foul game. This is the same thing TPM defenders are doing in this site; as they failed to defend the false doctrines of TPM, have started using the foul language. Over & over again they prove that whose seeds are they.
we are team…not a single….dear bro… please repent from your sins… please can u ppls list out ur sins and secret sins…so tat we might know how righteous u r ???…dont talk about zion ..its gods habitation…if such a case u r trying to cover ur sins and secret sins ..some group of ppl same like u trying to condemn adultress women but jesus said if any one not sin let him first take stone and cast on her…..no one able to stand before jesus…..y u r puttinv head in others sin…time will reveal all the sins of you ppls….dont worry….u might work against gods church but if gods start to work against u ….ur life wil b like saul….repent from ur sin….u not even able to stand in this doctrine …hw u wil stand outside…..waiting fr ur end soon…….
dear johnson and all,
in all churches positives and negatives will be there ….in all churches good and evil will be there…in all churces good servant of god and evil servant of god will b there….good and evil belivers will be there…
among 12 aposles one s judas and jesus said he s devil …but jesus didnt cast him out of ministery …many chances was given to judas . ….remember he took part in passover …….but he not repented ….atlast he hanged by himself….but jesus didnt cast him out from ministery …..after his death only another person was choosen ….
if u belive jesus is real god …….y he s silent in heaven, for all wicked ppl he wil command vengance at right tym and y u r revealing sins of servant of god and ministers of god…let god do his work by sending out of ministery….y u r doing gods work by pointing out doctrine and servants of god. .rather than open website go and kneel and pray …..if u want start another ministery without blemish and spot…let me c hw ur ministery is….sanctify ur life and ur family nembers and go to heaven….rather by condeming doctrines and servant of god.
wat ever ur article…we hv no tym to read ….false doctrine ….v hv to read all our doctrinal books and has to be strengthened…..v r not at all worried because our ministery s growing day by day ….its not by humal wisdom its of holy spirit ….even some evil ppls may b there …but god wil punish at right tym and if it his will he will sanctify and prepare them fr his coming …..but very sure cpm will go up every day ….in france a great man want to destroy bible completely ….now his palace s bible society in france…..like wise ur house will b faith home of cpm very soon…..lord is doing great works in ministery
Dear Multiheaded Dragon,
You have confessed that you have no time to read our articles, showing your intent clearly. We have achieved what we wanted. That is to show to the world about the state of a true TPM Devotee. There is no more need for any further Trolling. Hence you are being debarred from this forum for being an unnecessary nuisance. Only serious discussions allowed.
Mark 5;9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many
Dear Issac, Multi headed dragon, Masquerading Admin
I don’t know how many names you have? I would like to ask all of you, all born again Christians will go to heaven or only CPM/TPM people will go to heaven? Please give an answer based on the scripture?
Dear multiheaded dragon
Finally you have accepted that you & your team is a multiheaded dragon. None of the pro-site has called you by this name but you have named yourselves MULTIHEADED DRAGON. I have noticed that you are not staying steadfast in your statements. As a serpent which has split tongue so do you also have. For you all John Thomas was a saint till his death & that’s you all kept quiet till he died a miserable death. But now after his death, you all have opened your mouth wide to spue the venom. As your name, so is your words & deeds. I really pity you for your ignorance & unsteady stand. You shake because your foundation is not on the true teachings & doctrines of Jesus but rather on the man-made doctrines of TPM.
I have to clarify on this point. He was commenting in the name of multiple people not knowing that we have ways to check who is the one commenting. I had earlier referred to the same to him and he ignored it. Therefore, I was the one who changed all his multiple names to refer to him as “Multi-headed dragon”. But I have to tell that he is indeed inspired by that Multiheaded dragon in Rev 12:3
BELOVED BROTHERS AND SISTERS,
1) ADMIN- HE IS ONLY TRYING TO SAY THERE ARE BAD THINGS HAPPENING AMONG ST US AND BE AWARE. HE DOES NOT FIND PLEASURE POSTING THIS. ONLY WANT US TO BE AWARE AND NOT IDOLIZE PEOPLE OR CHURCH.
2) REST OF OTHERS- I UNDERSTAND YOUR FAITHFULNESS IN WHAT YOU HAVE BELIEVED. THE TPM SYSTEM HELPS TO LEAD A SPIRITUAL LIFE AS LONG AS CHRIST LIVES IN US. SANCTIFIED LIFE IS TRUE, AS LONG WE PUT IT INTO PRACTICE.
Hello Vik Gant,
How are you? I am always looking forward to you comments, be it for or against?
No comments, Franklin.
I realized that these arguments are pointless and they only serve one purpose – creating discord.
The best thing to do is to seek God and live as best as you can according to that which is revealed to you.
Leave the rest to God, pray and hope that you get a fair deal on judgement day.
Browsing this site and its comments is now merely entertainment.
Vik I didn’t want to comment but your statements are provocative.
//@ browsing this site for MERE entertainment.!!!//
Didn’t expect this from you vik. Had a respect for you that you read n reason, but after reading that you come here for entertainment, makes me put you in cadre of people like RG.
@ hoping for fair deal from God..
That would make all of us land in condemnation. A fair deals means God should punish the entire mankind into pits of hell forever.
Psalms 130:3
If thou, Lord, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
Please don’t reply back to this comment for vain argumentations.
Nath,
I see nothing wrong in Vik’s statement. It’s based on laws and statutes.
All religions expect amnesty from trials, witchcraft, famine, wars- from the divinity.
That’s why they perform sacrifices and donate their goods to make peace with nature/ god.
Unfortunately, most of modern Christian theology revolves around ‘payback’ and ‘kickback’
The Prodigal son got a fair deal from the father and that very deal turned out to be his judgment, he had to return back saying that I am not worthy even to be your servant… but isn’t that the essence of the New Testament- repentance?
King David could have simply offered a ‘he-goat’ as a sin offering for raping a woman and another ‘he-goat’ for killing her husband. (A standard peace offering would be the side-dish in this arrangement, if there were two parties)
Additionally, he might have had to pay a certain weight of silver as a trespass offering, to the treasury of the priests.
So, how much was a fair deal to David, per the Old Testament Law?
Two male goats, (a bull as optional) few loaves of bread, 50*2 shekels of silver.
Now this is asking for a fair deal and David could afford to sin every single day of life and still have enough in the bank to keep paying up to honour the deal.
But David wrote Psalm 51 as an acknowledgement of his depravity.
The Old Testament Laws were not a deal of altars and offerings, but it pointed to our inability to satisfy the standards of God’s Holiness with the best of our abilities.
Our God is not an Investment banker or a divorce lawyer to make “deals” with us, He gave Laws instead, so that we understand that we are too miniscule to even comprehend His standards.
The pagan gods of Caanan had a fair deal for their adherents- they had to offer their children as burnt offerings.
But God, in His eternal love for us, has offered up His son….@ Vik, the fair deal you expect is so unfair to God’s Holy Son… but He gave you His very life… will you not accept it today?
TPM Sunday School speaks volumes of ‘Sacrifices, Offerings, Altars’ but never in any moral would you find that compared to the Love of God. ( I bet you won’t) but it is compared to human works and the consecration of the NT ministry.
The preaching of the cross is foolishness to the TPM Greeks and a stumbling block to the TPM Jews.
Read these snippets from Acts 17 and you will get the picture.
“Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols. So he argued in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the market place every day with those who chanced to be there. Some also of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers met him.”
“Now all the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time in nothing except telling or hearing something new”
“So Paul, standing in the middle of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘To an unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you.”
“The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all men everywhere to repent”
Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked; but others said, “We will hear you again about this.” So Paul went out from among them
Excellent response, Brother Denzel. It is so hard for someone who has been indoctrinated by TPM’s works based religion to break free and see the Truth in the Gospel of our Lord. Without the intervention of the Holy Spirit we continue to languish in slavery hoping for a better deal from God at judgement. If only we could see and hear.
How I hope that one day, Saint Sunny the predator is brought to justice just like this man (Number 3 in the Vatican) was brought to his knees last week. This is another church based on Celibacy which the Bible calls the doctrine of demons. How many George Pells exists in the holy sanctum of TPM is anybody’s guess.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-26/george-pell-guilty-child-sexual-abuse-court-trial/10837564
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-04/george-pell-abuse-victims-family-police-speak-to-4-corners/10856998
@ GOPI”Finally The Truth is out !!!
I came across this website yesterday and I am glad and happy the culprit is finally exposed…
After many years of prayer and waiting finally God has exposed this false prophet.”
Dear Gopi,how did you develop these writing skills in English that too in a simple style though when you did not do any graduation level in your education before joining this ministry?
it is amazing dear, to know your skills developed to such an extent of writing the letters.
You joined this ministry during your teenage, it was true ,you had late Pr ARUL DAS who liked you most And also at that time of your joining the ministry Chief was CK Lazzarus who also liked you during VIJAYAWADA convention days.
This was quite evident when one can read your comments and appreciate.
Why don’t you share your most unforgettable experiences with this BEAST for the benefit of those who are still facing the DILEMMA whether to leave this ministry or not., that too inspite of reading real life stories kept in these EPISODES of this site.
Best thing happened to you was that you got finally redeemed from the hands of this ‘BEAST’ . But do n’t think you have got a bounden duty to help extend your helping hand to others WHO ARE STILL SITTING ON THE FENCE to jump out as and when time comes?Now your TESTIMONY will certainly help them to come. out So please extend your helping hand to others as well.
The Word of God clearly says so in : JAMES 5:19,20-
“19.Brethren,if anyone among you, waders from the truth,and some one turns him back. 20.let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
You can please read these verses better in your TELUGU Bible so that God will speak to you.Whatever ADMN brother and his TEAM members are doing is exactly amounting to the same as told in the above verses.
So after leaving this ‘BEAST’ hope you ‘ve kept up your peace and reconciliation with God and man so that no one can blame you for all the things whatever happened during your ministry years, right?
Hope you will certainly lend your helping in this aspect.Forget not dear brother.
Thank you,
wishing you all the best,
ONE OF YOUR WELL WISHERS of this blessed site.
ELINA , you bat here at this EPISODE which has scored 352 runs(comments) a record so far for its first INNINGS score. Now we have to make second INNINGS in this match which was already started 3 days ago. Leaving this match you ‘ve gone to other match .I ‘ve just now got the news that you are retired hurt by facing the series of bouncers that our new ball bowler NMSTF threw at you with 155 kmph and hence the umpire declared you are retired hurt. Sorry to hear the news. Next time better luck. BTW, when did you come out of the underground?You were absent for two precious days.
#New look of website
I am laughing looking at number of views for most phamous article of fromtpm. Only 245!!!
I saw eye icon on top floor of this article. So popular fromtpm is viewed by only 245 backsliders 😂
Now our hearts are at rest. We have no fear that our shameful acts are not phamous. I am so happy and also my Chief pastors.
LOL Elina…These are views in the last 18 hours. Please check out the number of comments and you will understand that. Moreover, the popularity of the article is based on the comments and not on the views.
@Elina
//I saw eye icon on top floor of this article. So popular fromtpm is viewed by only 245 backsliders 😂 Now our hearts are at rest. We have no fear that our shameful acts are not phamous. I am so happy and also my Chief pastors.//
You seem to be so relieved that only 245 have read the story of your tainted saint. Admin has stated on an earlier occasion that only 1% of the visitors to this site actually comment. Hence, it is safe to presume that more than 25,000 people have read this article and are aware of the sexual immorality of your saint.
My point is not whether 245 or 25,000 know about the sinful deeds of your saints. God knows every act that is done in the secret and will judge accordingly. Luke 12:2 “The time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all (NLT)”. Don’t be presumptuous and feel happy/relieved that many do not know the dark side of tpm, but be fearful that the omnipresent God knows everything and will judge righteously.
By your own admission you accept that these are ‘shameful acts’. As usual, your statement “We have no fear that our shameful acts are not phamous (famous)” is so sarcastic!
Beloved pastor Sunny George entered highest glory of glories. He singing good song in malayalaam. Very very romantic song he written. That why he made center pastor of boys kingdom in heaven.
Many people became first in each believers whatsapp group to publish this news. But I am first to broadcast this news in this website. Whoso first publish news he take much pride in telling world he first one. It shows how much close we are to saints that we first to get information. Like that racing going on among top belivers.