Heresies in TPM – Part 6 – No Holy Spirit in Eternity

In previous articles, we have seen how TPM, without a solid foundation to stand on, uses their imagination to come up with “deeper truths” which are often heresies. The problem with TPM is that they never know when to stop. They keep searching for the supposed “deep things of God” to show itself as being “better” than other denominations and eventually leave the boundaries of scripture. That is when they enter into heresies.

No Holy Spirit in TPM’s vision of Zion

Have you wondered whenever TPM preaches about the inhabitants of places in eternity like New Earth, New Heaven, New Jerusalem and Zion (which itself is a total fabrication of TPM), they leave the Holy Spirit out?  Let’s look at the excerpt of a sermon given by Pastor MT Thomas below[1]. See the Holy Spirit missing in Zion?

Heresies in TPM – Part 6 – No Holy Spirit in Eternity

Let’s look at another clip of a sermon by the same pastor during the recently concluded International convention-2017 (Thursday Morning message) in Chennai [2]


In our country, the population is around 130 crores. We have about 534 MPs. There are just 534 MPs to rule over 130 crore people in the country. And there are also 26 cabinet ministers. Of whom 1 is the Prime Minister and another is the President. This is how governing happens in the Country. 1 President, 1 Prime Minister, 26 cabinet ministers and 534 MPs. That President can be taken as a shadow of God the Father. The PM would serve to be a shadow of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who stands on Mt Zion. The 26 Cabinet ministers would serve as the shadow of the 144,000 servants of God who will stand upon Mt Zion. New Jerusalem is what is seen as 534 MPs.


As you can see, the Holy Spirit is again left out. The place of the Holy Spirit is taken by the “144,000 Servants of God” of TPM.

In the process of wanting to show themselves as being the VIPs running the show in Eternity, they have used an analogy that totally distorts the image of God. Christians believe in ONE BEING of God who eternally exists as three persons, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. In the above analogy, the Father and Son are seen as two DIFFERENT BEINGS (President and Prime Minister) and there is not a single mention of the Holy Spirit. All this is done so that the “144,000 TPM saints” can be seen as the “cabinet ministers” and New Jerusalem inhabitants (i.e those who have followed all the rules and doctrines of TPM perfectly) can be seen as MPs. TPM sadly does not know the difference between the created and the CREATOR. To use an analogy that has both God and man seen as equal in essence is greatly offensive. I pray TPM and the people who preach such things repent and see the error of their ways.

TPM “saints” become God

What you will read below will shock you. This was a sermon preached by Pastor Luke a few years ago.


Man is created so that God could dwell with him in heaven throughout the ages perpetually. All the attributes of God is revealed through man. God created man so that man is like him and dwell with him forever. We see past eternity (before man) and coming eternity (after the span of human beings on this earth). In the former eternity, we see Triune God as well as angels. Coming eternity consists of Father, Son, Bride (not Holy Spirit). Angels will be seen as ministering spirits, as they were in the past eternity. In the coming eternity, perfected saints or Bride will join with the Holy Spirit and will be seen as Bride of Christ along with Father and Son. Rebecca is a type of perfected saints and Eleazar was a type of Holy Spirit, whom Abraham sent in order to bring a wife for his son Isaac. In the coming eternity, God will be seen as One God and His perfected saints shall be seen as one in Him.”[3]


TPM says the coming eternity consists of “Father, Son, Bride (not Holy Spirit)”. Let that sink in. TPM is willing to even change the very essence of God. TPM doesn’t know the difference between created beings and the one and only Creator God. They have invented a new trinity consisting of the Father, Son, and the Bride.TPM has this bizarre idea where the Holy Spirit will fuse together with the bride and then the bride will take the place of the Holy Spirit in the Trinity.

To treat God as someone who changes in his essence is heresy and even blasphemous. God is unchanging. And we should be thankful that God is someone who doesn’t change.

In all of these teachings, we can see the spirit of Lucifer at work in TPM. They do this in a variety of ways. One of the ways by taking the job of eternal judgment in their own hands by assigning places in eternity. TPM has invented the scale by which people go to “New Earth”, “New Heaven”, “New Jerusalem” and “Zion”. We will expound on this in another article.

TPM has no authority to play God and yet they do it time and again. This is the spirit of Lucifer.

Remember what happened the last time someone wanted to be like the Most High?

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.” (Isaiah 14:14)

This happened

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning” (Isaiah 14:12)

Conclusion

Dear TPM believers, do you still want to repeat the party lines like “TPM is the best church there is” and “TPM has the best teachings”? Do you not see that such slogans are just empty words? What is the point in deceiving yourselves when TPM so blatantly teaches heresies that are bordering on blasphemy?

I would like you to consider the following scriptures. Man can never become God.  There is a huge gulf between the creator God, the ruler of everything and man created out of dust. TPM is obsessed in getting the “best place in Eternity” that they have even displaced the Holy Spirit.

Have you not known? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:28)

For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me,” (Isaiah 46:9)

You alone are the LORD You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them You give life to all of them And the heavenly host bows down before You.” (Neh 9:6)

Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed and were created.” (Rev 4:11)

Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor? Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.” (Romans 11:33-36)

[1]https://fromtpm.com/www.doctrineoftruth.com/messages/message6a06.html?saint=10&mess=352

[2] https://youtu.be/heo5P-pjZAU?t=15m30s

[3] https://fromtpm.com/www.doctrineoftruth.com/messages/message1bb5.html?saint=9&mess=229

 

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18 Comments on “Heresies in TPM – Part 6 – No Holy Spirit in Eternity”

  1. Can u find the word Trinity in Bible ???

    Check how the Trinity concept with Christianity???

    It is pagan concept..
    In Hinduism,threemoorthikal…

    Only 2 persons in heaven .

    The god the father, the god Jesus Christ.(the word of God)
    In jhon 1:1.
    How holy spirit become a third person,??
    Holy spirit is spirit of God…

    In Genesis 2:7
    Man is a living soul.
    Only living soul & spirit.

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    1. No you cannot find the word “trinity” in the bible. It’s a term that is used to describe the truth presented in the bible.

      Scripture plainly teaches the personhood of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

      Since your objection is to the personhood of the Holy Spirit alone, I would like you to read the following verses.

      “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, HE shall testify of me:” (John 15:26)

      “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.” (John 16:13,14)

      “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matt 28:19)

      “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit….You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” (Acts 5:3,4)

      “For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.” (Romans 8:14)

      “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” (Eph 4:30)

      So, clearly scripture refers to the Holy Spirit as God, refers to the Holy Spirit with a pronoun He. He can be grieved, He teaches, guides, comforts, has a will and every other attributes of a person. Don’t assume God is unitarian. Read scripture as a whole. When you read all of scripture you will see that the Holy Spirit is referred to as God just as the Son and the Father. In my experience, those who oppose this view usually have no clue what the doctrine of Trinity actually is.

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  2. Bro Richard..

    My frnd already comments in previous post regarding this Trinity concept..

    But admin, it moves into trash

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    1. It’s not even worth replying Albert jhon. He doesn’t know the Bible and doesn’t know proper English so any attempt to make him understand is futile.

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    2. Albert, maybe if you really think what you believe is biblical, you would use your own words to defend your beliefs using scripture. I think your “friend” must have copied and pasted entire webpages in the comments section which is not how one who is really interested in debate behaves.

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    1. You can put your comments but copy paste of many pages without any. Corresponding context will be deleted. As of now, i am deleting one of your posts which is a copy paste from some websites…Too long to be posted here. You may alternatively give the web page URL.

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    2. Albert, use your own words to defend your beliefs. Once you start copy pasting someone else’s thoughts, it is no more a discourse. It will devolve into who can copy paste the most. It doesn’t benefit anyone.

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  3. Dear Albert,

    You say # Only 2 persons in heaven # ?

    The doctrine of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost (Spirit) is proved from scripture as three persons, one God.

    Please see-
    Matthew 3: 16,17.
    And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
    And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Romans 8:9.
    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    1 Cor. 12: 3-6.
    Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
    Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
    And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
    And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

    Ephesians 4:4-6.
    There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    1 Peter 1:2.
    Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    1 John 5:7.
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    Jude 20, 21.
    But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
    Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

    You say
    # In Genesis 2:7
    Man is a living soul.
    Only living soul & spirit.# ?

    Man was created with a body – bones and flesh.

    After the LORD God made a woman from one of Adam’s ribs, Adam said: This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. [Genesis 2:23]

    1 Thessalonians 5:23.
    And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Albert, God has revealed himself to you in Holy Scripture as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost (Spirit).

    Albert, do you believe the words of God as revealed in the holy Bible?

    Please read these scriptures for yourself, and believe God’s testimonies, for they are truth.

    Albert, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. Jesus died so that you might live forever with him. Only one life, ‘Twill soon be past, Only what’s done for Christ will last.

    May the Lord bless you.

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  4. Wow…Did you also note that Stephen the martyr is relegated to the third layer in spite of being in the NT. I guess he was not a celibate and moreover he was not following TPM Apostolic teaching

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  5. Dear Admin,
    Your article ‘No Holy Spirit in Eternity’ has hit the rotten spot in the unbelieving hearts of TPM. This is very grievous TPM teaching.

    There is also NO HOLY SPIRIT either in TPM’s 2017 Calendar.

    I was perplexed on the rendering of scriptures in the Calendar which are given for every day readings for the year 2017.

    The title of ‘Holy Spirit’ is not named ONCE for any daily entry for the entire year. Not once.
    Given only are scriptures incorporating phrases with ‘my spirit/Spirit of truth/Spirit of the Lord’. But not once is the title of HOLY SPIRIT given a place in the Calendar. Why not when the Holy Spirit is God > who sanctifies the Church? (That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. Romans 15:16)

    TPM’s Calendar also changes the spelling of the Bible word ‘Lord’, (not spelt in capitalized letters), to their own TPM spelling of ‘LORD’ (using capital letters), as seen in their scripture selection for Tuesday October 10th 2017. Where the KJV says, But put ye on the Lord (small letters) Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof (Romans 13:14), TPM says and writes in their Calendar, But put ye on the LORD (capital letters) Jesus Christ (Rom.13:14).

    This is because TPM clearly have a PROBLEM saying ‘Jesus Christ is Lord’, who is equally and eternally God, one with the Father, to the end that finally TPM don’t glorify God the Father! as we have all been taught to in Philippians 2:11 – And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Now WHY would TPM want to do this?

    The words ‘Lord Jesus Christ’ point us to Jesus’ eternal deity and pre-existence. It connects Jesus to the LORD of the O.T. The Bible teaches us that Jesus is God. Now by changing the Bibical spelling of Lord Jesus Christ to LORD Jesus Christ TPM is showing up their anti-Christ doctrine.

    Furthermore, as well as doing denigration to the Holy Spirit, and also to our Great God and Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ, TPM’s Calendar shows another preference, this time towards Jewishness, and makes references in readings to Israel, the OT tabernacle, Zion, Jerusalem, BUT not one Bible verse in all the year directs TPM’s member to meditate on scriptures about the church, the body of Christ, for their edification as saints. (Please check if I missed any).

    The lesson here is to take eyes off TPM, turn around and look unto Jesus who is the way, the truth and the life. Listen to Jesus and take comfort from his last words – I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
    And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22:16-17.

    The Spirit AND the bride say, Come. The Holy Spirit is still WITH (not replacing) the bride.
    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Best regards.

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  6. @Anonymous
    When you have mentioned the Father and the Son but avoided the third person of the Trinity in eternity what does that mean?
    According to your logic, we should also assume that Satan would be part of the great family there as he is not mentioned in the red text. As his name is not explicitly mentioned, it does not mean his exclusion. Get a life brother.

    How did you miss out the earlier jpg where MT Thomas mentioned about ZION and exclude the Holy Spirit. as well?

    According to your Logic the Trinity can be set aside because details regarding the Holy Spirit is not very pronounced in the bible.So be it for you. It is nothing short of Insulting God and You can be a party to it.

    How did you miss out the fruits of the Spirit. Please read 1 Cor 13 which explicitly says that Charity or divine love is Eternal. Do you think this particular fruit of the Spirit comes without the Holy Spirit?

    1 Corinthians 6:19 says our Bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Do you think our Resurrected bodies will no more be his temple in eternity?

    According to Paul in Heb 12 the picture of spritual reality and eternity, God is the King. Not 2/3 of God as TPM Teaches

    22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


    As far as the URLs supplied, we do not think it is our mission to answer every question on every other site.
    Here we are focusing on a heretical organization by name TPM only in this site.

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  7. As being a former adherent and an apologist for this monster, I can personally assure you that this was a revelation that the so called saints received through their understanding of the closing chapters of Rev.

    The third part of the trinity is indeed the 1.44 and the Holy Spirit is largely incognito as it dwells within the first born -redeemed and virgins.

    In this state of Zionic perfection, the saints can behold the Father’s face because the HS is resident in their immortal vessels.

    I also whistled my way cheering these unearthly revelations because I believed that God had personally given these revelations to the founder and its secrets could be decoded using select scriptures.

    The tomfoolery is over, my eyes were opened… If you are serious about playing the devil’s advocate by defending TPM… all the best.

    I, for one, and many others… have understood that TPM is but ‘Truly Paradoxical Ministry’

    As one brother has his Pseudonym as ‘No more a slave to fear’… I can say that I am delivered from the clutches of these white clad Pharaohs and their lot.

    At the same time, my heart truly yearns that they find salvation and repent. As long as they are within the whitewashed prison walls of this mission, they are dying a slow death.

    ‘Open their eyes, that they may behold wondrous things out of your law’

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  8. @Anonymous

    Firstly, let me commend you for being one of the very few from TPM to try to defend TPM by reading the article and looking for something which can be defended. There was another anonymous, a gentleman from Papua New Guinea who tried his best but finally gave up because he just could not defend TPM’s deeper true lies and he literally disappeared from this forum about an year ago. I hope you will not do the same.

    From your argument it is obvious that you are trying to be a defense lawyer to a client who you know is guilty. TPM is more guilty than other cults like JWs, Mormons or the SDAs because you are very subtle and never own up to anything. TPM prints and preaches a lot but there is no ownership as they hide the author unlike the others who write books and publish articles but reveal the authorship.

    Yours is a subtle hidden ministry which abuses the Word of God by your private interpretation. You ignore the Early fathers and 2000 years of Church history but prop up the lies of a pervert, your dear founder Alwyn the nudist heretic. You know how Alwyn’s life panned out but still you hold on to his lies as if they were divinely inspired. Now you have modern prophet, an Emptee Thomas who is opening up a can of worms by propagating that Alwyn received his doctrines directly from God, not to mention Emptee’s DDT and other false teachings.

    Emptee has chosen his eternal destination by becoming an instrument of Satan in exchange for earthly glory. What about you? You still have the time to chose. Will you chose the God of the Bible or the god of Alwyn? Here we can debate but there in eternity, we are saved or doomed for ever. From your writing, you appear to be an educated man, hope you chose wisely.

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