The Ordination

In this article, I would like to highlight the mockery of the Holy Spirit by TPM. I don’t know how many of you have ever stayed behind after the international convention to watch the Ordination of new Ministers. These people have ordered their followers not to upload any of their activities on the internet because no one should see what happens in the Most Holy place. If it’s so why they make a big hype of this ordination function and permit others to watch it with great enthusiasm?

How it ought to be

Our Lord Jesus Christ never made such a pompous show when he chose the twelve to be with Him. He did not make an enclosure and ask the twelve to sit within.  Then he did not wait for an anointing to come upon him and run to lay His hands on them.

Mark 3:13,14And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him. And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

The verses clearly reveal that Jesus called only the twelve to the mountain and no one else. He did not make a big deal of it to gather all a big crowd and made all the twelve to sit before them. It was a secluded ceremony on the mountain. Why do the TPM leaders make it a public show? Is it biblical? Of course in the old testament (Leviticus, chapter 8) we can see such public show of the anointing of the priests were done for the congregation also to watch. TPM claims that they are not doing Aaronic ministry but the ministry after the order of Melchizedec. Now isn’t it illogical for TPM to follow the old testament way of ordaining the ministers when they claim to be doing ministry after the order of Melchizedek? As I told you earlier that Jesus did the ministry of ordaining the twelve on a mountain and not in public to make a show of it? What I understand is that TPM has picked little from everywhere to fit into their system and they do things to steal the show.

The Induction ceremony (The Ordination)

Another funny & unbiblical thing one should watch during this ceremony is when the chief clergy lays his hands on the candidate, he/she starts jumping as though some spring is fixed in their body. Sometimes the behavior of such candidates after the hands come upon them looks so awkward that a sensible person can think whether the Holy Spirit is a disorderly person. I don’t think Holy Spirit is as TPM presents him, because 2 Timothy 1:7 very clearly says that, “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind“. How can the Holy Spirit which imparts a sound mind make a person behave like this? Moreover, I don’t think that Holy Spirit is a person which makes people do all acrobatics like a monkey. During this ceremony you should watch that how these newly ordained candidates do; they jump, kick & rotate their hands like fans to hurt others. Some roll on the ground & some female candidates even wouldn’t know the veil going off their head. Once a candidate was hit to bleed by another candidate. A few years ago at Kottarakara, the stitching of the trousers of a candidate came off. Is the Holy Spirit such an indecent person in Trinity? I know for sure that the Holy Spirit mentioned in the Bible is very decent unlike what TPM portrays. My dear reader, isn’t it a mockery of the Holy Spirit? Sad to say some foolish people go to watch it as a godly show. Please get away from the organization which instead of honoring the Holy Spirit is making fun of him in public.

Life of the new Recruits

According to Mark 3:14 the twelve were ordained first to be with Jesus. But in TPM the newly ordained ministers (especially sisters) are subjected to more of physical work & have less time to be with Jesus. A majority of these new ministers learn to flatter & please to get the favour of their leaders than to please Jesus & display the qualities of Christ. In sisters area it’s still worst; the leaders who should exhibit the love of Christ behave like the taskmasters of Pharoah. You may know that in the training center there are morning prayers at 6:00 AM which everyone should attend it without fail.

It was told by one sister some years back about the inhuman treatment they receive from their leaders. Morning by 6.30 all the washrooms in sisters area are closed and no one is supposed to get up till the prayer is over by 9 or 9.30. The leaders do sit behind the trainees and if anyone is found getting up to go to relieve herself she would be forced to remain seated in her place. Don’t you think that such acts are a beastly treatment which can cause some serious diseases?

A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel Proverbs 12:10.

Now based on this scripture you judge and give the conclusion whether these leaders are righteous or wicked. I was told by some sisters that in order to avoid going to washrooms they mostly skip the dinner and even consume less or no water. Oh..what a terrible act by Zion bound ministers? Does the ministry in the order of Melchizedec demand such inhuman acts? No, not at all. We have already read in 2 Timothy 1:7 that the Spirit we have is of love. Please don’t turn blind eyes to these things but rather test and see what kind of spirit( 1 Thes 5:21) is at work in these TPM leaders who give such cruel treatment to juniors? Do they have the Spirit of Christ or some other spirit? I am sure the Spirit of Jesus will never give such cruel treatment to them for whom He has given His own life.

Conclusion

My dear Christian brethren,

Don’t be a lame duck saying that it’s not good to touch the anointed. Be bold to take your stand against such atrocities. Don’t be a TPM Fanatic to target the writer of the site to defend wicked people and their wicked acts. Be bold and stand up to set such captives free from such cruel task masters. Like last week (Easter Week), there will be many fasting prayer meetings in the future. This is a high time for all of us to proclaim a meaningful and God desired fast. Then only God will bless us. “Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy reward.Isaiah 58:6,8

67 Comments on “The Ordination”

  1. TPM’s “training” is pure evil. What “training” did the disciples or Paul have to undergo before doing God’s ministry? Jesus called fishermen and they instantly became His disciples. When the crowd went hungry, Jesus supernaturally fed them. Jesus didn’t create artificial poverty and torture his disciples. But the thing we see in IBR is that they create artificial poverty and treat the new trainees as though there is no means to provide for them. Supposedly they let ask the new recruits to fast and then serve food and ask them to pray. While their eyes are closed, they take the food away. I sometimes wonder if that is a prison camp or a church.

    It is safe to assume, the treatment meted out to them makes them bitter and later they take out their frustration on their juniors. A never ending cycle of abuse.

  2. One TPM minister told me that they used to send newly ordained ministers to do village ministry and there they were required to drink water from river. This was done to teach newly appointed servants to learn to live in adverse conditions. My question was “Why do they want ONLY BISLERY when they become Centre pastors? What’s the use of hard training…?” I remember that one night one Centre Pastor asked the new minister to go on bicycle and bring BISLERI crate. I went with him searching for shops at 10 pm in night. We found one shop and he had KINLEY. So the small brother said, “No, Pastor drinks only Bisleri !! Ha ha i laughed. Then we had to search for Bisleri for one hour and finally we found one!

    1. Reminds me of one Pastor in Malaysia who wanted a crate of Oxygenated Water. Each bottle cost RM12. I drove the boy to the shop to buy the bottles. This is how money is spent. Guess if he drinks normal water he will die due to lack of oxygen. How about the rest of us? LOL!!

  3. I think this uncontrollable jerking and shaking of heads without any control is a manifestation of the Kundalini Spirit.

  4. Recently I have asked a tpm diehard why your saints don’t dine with believers even during conventions. His reply was a shell shocking experience was to me. He said they are separated saints. What a bizarre argument.

      1. Oddly enough, admin, I agree with this one statement of yours.

        I must say that it is not a statement that can be made as a sweeping judgement of all those who are part of TPM, but there is definitely a sense of arrogance and pride amongst a section of TPM – both ministers and believers.

        That is to be expected with any organization that has grown so fast.

        But it would not be fair to generalise.

        There are far more “good” people in this than the “not so good” ones.
        And I will admit that there are a few bad apples as well…

        However, I still maintain that it was ordained by divine guidance and God will take care of his people.

        It is not for us to judge anyone or anything.

        I will not comment on doctrine as I am not qualified to do so.
        if anybody has differences of opinion on doctrine, they can debate it.

        We must all introspect and see if we are preparing for the coming of the Lord.

        1. Bro Vik
          (Just a point to think upon.. I am not asking you to debate)

          //However, I still maintain that it was ordained by divine guidance and God will take care of his people.//

          As far as I have heard (maybe i am wrong), Co-founder of TPM was Pastor Alwin. Right from it’s inception Alwin had equal say in establishing doctrines and system of TPM. This also implies Pastor Paul Ramankutty was equally culprit in allowing and accepting Alwin’s doctrines. How can then one say that this church was started by divine guidance.

          One question looms in my head as to why Alwin out of nowhere became co-founder? If Pastor Paul was inspired by God to start a new church and that too by so called faith life, then from where the hell Roman Catholic Alwin became co-founder, who was a English teacher before becoming co-founder with Pastor Paul.

        2. And moreover, where was pastor Paul’s discernment when Alwin was injecting these dangerous doctrines when he was alive. I know you may equate Alwin with Judas. But in this case this Judas(Alwin) was given the charge of the entire church on Paul’s demise. Clearly showing that Pastor Paul had absolutely no discernment .

        3. @ Vik/ Nath/ Admin,

          (This is what I presume and presumptions have a low level of probability anyway)
          I presume that at the outset, the founders might have been sincerely led to believe that the hand of God was behind the inception.

          In fact no church would have started off with the wrong intent or an anti Bible bias.

          Patronising the hardship that the leadership faced, soon turned out into will-worship, and signs and wonders, miracles, prophesies became instruments for a fall-away.
          In short, they never searched themselves, or the scriptures continuously. Their own dogma replaced the Bible and these ‘deeper truths’ are still used as the plumb-line for New Testament perfection.

          So my take is perhaps for the first year or so, this church along with many churches might have been really used by God, but then like the ark of God in the battle, the church very soon became just a body of worshipers and the Bible was only used as a side-note.

          What is the actual difference between others & TPM- Flexibility, Humility, willingness to learn, unlearn, repent, smile, care.

          I think that there might have been a divine guidance to start a church and serve the Lord, but I think the rest of it was human mind and money power at work.

        4. Historians write that Pastors Alwin de Alwis and Ram Paul were especially impressed and motivated by Sadhu Sundar Singh (1889-1929) when he visited Ceylon in 1918. Singh is frequently cited as an example of Indian Christian indigeneity. His conversion, wardrobe, theology, preaching and lifestyle as a wandering sadhu all carry the marks of an authentic Indian spirituality. Certainly he viewed Christian life and faith from an Eastern perspective.
          He was the inspiration for a focus on the experiential and the ecstatic through his adopting elements of the Hindu Bhakti (devotion) tradition. He said: “Christianity is the fulfillment of Hinduism. Hinduism has been digging channels. Christ is the water to flow through these channels.”
          Historians write that in 1930 K.E. Abraham joined CPM with Alwin de Alwis and Paul Ram but that the three-year cooperation finished due to differences in teachings that could not be bridged, and the CPM was completely under Paul and Alwin’s leadership. So there must have been some resistance to the teachings for this event to happen. One writer states that growth was mainly due to the extraordinary charismatic power of Alwin. And the early Pentecostals placed a high value on spiritual experience.
          It is also stated that drinking of blessed water (not taught in the NT) was used in the healing of the sick, as well as prayer, laying on of hands, and anointing with oil.

        5. Drinking blessed water ! Never heard if it was practised in TPM. Some senior folk might help.

          Pastor Alwin along with his mother and two sisters (Sis Freeda and Sis Francis) joined ministry little later to 1923 (may be as you say around 1930), but before him there were many seniors like bro Adam, Bro Varghees, Bro Matthew and so on. Why was Alwin called cofounder is still unclear. And if seniors were there why would he become next chief ? If one thinks God asked Pas Ramankutty then as admin says it raises serious question on discernment ability of Pastor Paul, that he could not discern who is speaking to him, God or something else. However if Pastor Ramankutty made decision without leading from God, then again it raises why Alwin the next chief ? Was it because of his education, command over English or more money that he gave while joining ministry ?

        6. May be because of extra ordinary charismatic power as (historians mention). But Pastor Paul himself was no less charismatic. Handkerchief healings were done by Pastor Paul. It is said an ox killed one fellow in convention who raised voice against Pastor Paul’s message. In Bible miracles were evidence to the message, that message is from God. But in TPM the message becomes questionable if we rely only on miracles without checking the message from scriptures.

        7. Lets not forget, Alwin had TPM all to himself from 1945 to 1962. That’s 17 years. It is well documented that the exclusivity of TPM and its special doctrines rose to prominence during this period. TPM is intentionally deceiving when they present selective history in their book “Biography of Pastor Paul”. There is not a single statement that shows anything in TPM’s history in poor light in the book. That itself should be a huge red flag. When we read about the story of Israel’s history, its Kings, its prophets, life of the apostles in the gospels and the epistles, we get to see their good side and the bad. Intentionally hiding facts from the members to present a false narrative is deception.

        8. I seriously doubt that this church was started by divine inspiration. (I am not doubting the intent of founders. I am just wondering). Let us do a check. If we take out celibacy for ministers, Zion of Rev 14, (Edenic perfection already out) and other exclusive doctrines of TPM, which we assume to be product of Alwin’s philosophy, then we can check other teaching prior to period when Alwin rose to power (during Pastor Ramankutty’s rule).

          1) Tarrying meetings:
          Was tarrying meeting practiced before Alwin ? I believe yes! Pastor Paul himself was product of tarrying meeting. Tarrying meetings came into being by Charles Parham. (Violation of commands of Apostle Paul to Corinthians..)

          2) Clergy-Laity divide:
          Was hierarchy among ministers practiced before Alwin became chief? Probably Yes! Pastor Ramankutty himself was chief! This is not TPM exclusive ideology. Hence violation of commands of Jesus in Matthew is inescapable. God might not have asked to start a clergy latity divide church!

          3) Monkish life for perfection
          Salvation by monkish life (selling everything to become perfect) is itself sign of twisting of biblical concept. Very impossible that God would ask someone to forsake all to become perfect. If that be so then none of believers of TPM will become perfect (coz none of them forsook all). And hence assuredly no rapture for imperfect believers!

          3) Gospel (sola fide, sola scriptura, sola gratia)
          Was sinless perfection gospel preached by Pas Ramankutty. Yes I have heard some super perfectionist statements of Pastor Ramankutty from ministers. And if Gospel itself seems to be perverted right from the outset then what remains to say that this church must have been started by God?

        9. None of today’s churches are started by divine inspiration either- if we need to look at this topic seriously.

          Every generation has its own ideas of what divine inspiration means.

          Culture, globalisation, education, information technology and freedom of expression in a democracy… have all contributed to each of us refining our own ideas of what Christianity used to be and ought to be. Quite similar to what printing press, the English language did to the English protestants.

          Back to the outset of TPM roots, the founders may have sincerely believed they are divinely inspired to start a church. The doctrines followed might have been due to a combination of over righteousness and heresy…

          The fact that any cult is caught out only in retrospection, holds good for TPM as well.

        10. I agree with your statement “that every generation has its own ideas of what divine inspiration means ..” …and that’s the same reasoning I use to say some of the things in the Bible is absolute non sense by today’s standards ..things like stoning your children , slavery etc which God of the Bible apparently condoned(or instituted) is considered barbaric by today’s modern world standards…thats an issue for me coz if you say that was a rule for those times I beg to differ coz barbarism is barbarism today or yesterday and God should have known better than get the excuse that “oh that was Old Testament ” ….if you are a person who considers groups like Isis and taliban as evil, then the God of the Old Testament who instituted laws which are similar to the sharia laws of the Muslims must be held to a similar standard …

        11. Bro ex_b
          No one can deny that it indeed seems barbarism to hear the stoning as punishment in the Bible. People try to defend Bible by various reasons. They all hold good. But still barbarism is barbarism. Having said that let us consider it from various angles. We are not wise as God to understand why he choose that, but if we try to apply little bit of wisdom we might be able to grasp half of it.

          1) Foremost reason that should suffice must be this. God of OT seem to ordain intense painful punishment for smaller crimes. Say for example stoning of man who disobeys his parents. Deutr 21:18-21. Verse 21 says this punishment was ordained so that “all Israel may hear and fear.” If this painful fearsome punishment was ordained for small mistake of being glutton or being disobedient then what was expected of Israelites ? Answer: To not to disobey parents. Is not to disobey parents too hard to be obeyed? Is it too much to be asked for someone? So what is the point. The point is that God to trying to show Israelites and people of the world that we as human beings are not even able to fulfill even a small requirement by law of God to not to disobey parents. The point that God is trying to establish is that we as human beings cannot fulfill or obey the commandments of Bible (law) and become righteous or sinless, even he tried to make you fear of what the punishment will be if we do not hear. Harsher the punishment the greater the attempt must be to not to disobey. The point is that by the law no man will be able to justify himself before God. We are incapable to meet even the smallest of righteous act (of obeying parents and not hurting them by our rebellion). That is why Paul says the good that i wanted to do i could not but the evil that i wanted to do, i do. There is no ability in human being to live a good life , without hurting someone. Yet we are so haughty and proud that we think we can live morally good life. We think we know what is good and what is evil, and we can handle it. Ueet Israelites never bowed humbly before God to ask him, God we cannot fulfill the commandments of your law, even the smallest ones like obeying parents. Is there another way. And then God would have shown them the way of reconciliation with Godhead the way of cross, where God himself would regain the control of human beings that they would be empowered to live righteously when God would dwell within them. The whole point is about gospel. It was to make them humble. This is the problem with TPM and every religion in the world. They say, ” who says it is impossible to live holy life. Or morally good life?” They are very proud to bow before God and surrender to the cross to let God come and dwell in them. It is not about obeying or disobeying but it is about the separation of man with God when God ate the forbidden fruit. From that time we became incapable to live morally righteous life. This same idea is repeated 1000 times in Bible and we fail to see.

          2) I think first reason is all sufficient but as i said earlier we have too small wisdom to judge the wisdom of God. We cannot bring God under judgment of fixed law meant for ourselves. It is like creature trying to judge his creator. What creator meant by fixing laws was to teach man what we discussed above. Now man thinks he can fulfill it and he condemns and judges God by the very law that were meant to be tutor for him.

        12. It all falls under the “Divine Command Theory”….The alarming conclusion I garnered from your explanation is that the extremist Muslims who massacre innocents can use almost similar reasoning to justify their barbarism and they won’t even realize the folly in their reasoning
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Dzt_Tp5VE That being said, I’m outta here, it was a pleasure talking to you good people. All the best in your lives.

        13. No it doesn’t fall under DCT. Here is the reason why https://www.gotquestions.org/divine-command-theory.html

          Anyone can use anything to suit there convenience. That doesn’t make my reasoning invalid. C S Lewis says that same keys of piano can be used to make happy and sad tunes. To say that i will not use piano because the same keys can be used to make sad tunes, makes no sense. Same scriptures are used by false teachers to suite their needs. That does not mean one should stop looking at scriptures. It’s a foolish argument.

          In fact for my first reason it is impossible that Muslims can use it. There’s is a religion based on works. My reasoning pointed to justification by faith. As expected you missed it again.

          Anyways nice talking to you too.

        14. @ XBW
          // I beg to differ coz barbarism is barbarism today or yesterday and God should have known better than get the excuse that “oh that was Old Testament” //

          Think about the comment below.

          You may have heard of the saying- All is fair in love and war.

          It was more relevant centuries ago, while it still is.

          Governments, religions, policies, cultures, dietary habits and myths revolved around tribal unity and for self defence.

          Are you upset that the flood destroyed most of creation and millions of humans?

          I believe that Noah’s flood was a localised one, the waters resulting from subterranean natural geysers exploding and sending vapours into the atmosphere resulting in rain throughout the world but massive flooding in the Levant. The waters eventually drained into Tarim basin.

          There was this ‘nephil nuisance’ which could not be resolved other than through extermination. Forbidden knowledge gave the fallen man superior technological prowess on the condition they consider the stars/planets as their gods.

          The war in pre historic heavens resulted in the rebels angelic kingdoms of Rahab (planet x) and its satellite Mars, being nuclear bombed by Michael 25000 years ago.
          This planet was throw out of orbit and we see that as the asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars. Mars was not a planet, but a moon of Rahab/Nibiru/Planet X.
          When these angels fell to earth from Mars, the prehistoric Eden mentioned in Ezekiel was destroyed.

          I also believe that there were preadamites who were given to believe that these angels were gods.
          I also believe that Adam was not the first humanoid per se, but the first human in God’s image.

          I also believe that preadamic race was created by God in consultation with his angels (before they rebelled). The fall of angels meant that preadamic man was a victim of celestial strife.

          I also believe that the Genesis creation story is twofold- Chapter 1- Creation of Man/Woman; Chapter 2- Creation of Adam/Eve.

          The enclosure called Eden Garden was to separate Adam from cohabiting with Preadamic women.

          I believe that the tale of two trees is allegory and not literal. The serpent was also not a real snake that we know of today.
          It was a bipedal dragon with wings. Initially it lived in the tree called tree of knowledge. It was partly humanoid and partly draconic.

          This dragon disguised as a preadamic male enticed Eve to eat the fruit of knowledge. This is carnal knowledge/ sex.
          Eve was Adam’s wife and she was innocent. ‘Ye shall be like gods’ was the carrot that the fallen angels used, to corrupt the seed of preadamic race and thus mongrel races of reptiles, birds, human-animal hybrids, dinosaurs etc which came into being.
          This assumption holds good only if you agree that the dragon and Lucifer are not one and the same. They were different, but they both rebelled. Lucifer was the guardian of earth and the dragon was from outside earth.
          I believe that just as Eve was deceived, Lucifer was also deceived into becoming the sole god of earth, by the dragon/old serpent.

          Anyway, Eve’s sexual dalliance with the preadamic man resulted in the birth of Cain
          Adam also eating the fruit resulted in the birth of Abel.
          Both were twins, but not from the same father.

          Eden was not a small park but a huge area that comprised of the whole Levant- i.e. Border of Turkey until the Persian Gulf.

          The man and woman were expelled and realised that only the Eden was a flourishing garden while the lands outside of it were barren.

          Cain murders Abel because his paternal instinct wanted to destroy Adamic race.

          He is marked and sent further east where he marries a Mongolian. (Remember Adamic race refers to pure Caucasoid race which is extant today)

          Clash of civilizations between Adamic (Seth) and Non Adamic (Cain).

          The flood was not meant to destroy human beings, but mongrelised creatures including human-animal hybrids who demanded worship/human sacrifice from men, in return for knowledge of self defence from other mongrels. That is why the snake is the most common god of the preadamic races.

          The local flood (not global) cleansed the land from all mongrel creatures but there were entire civilizations that still stood still unaffected by the flood. (Chinese, Egyptian, Indian etc.)

          Ham’s generation took an interest in this forbidden knowledge by mixing with the preadamic races and through his grandson Nimrod, Babel was established.
          The plan of Satan was to corrupt the DNA of Adamic man so that Jesus’ birth will become an impossibility. That’s why the nations of Canaan were so inhuman and the Bible also claims that there were Nephil out there and the command given to Joshua was to wipe them out.
          If you don’t wipe them out, they will wipe you out- as simple as this.

          So was God racist, bloodthirsty? Yes- but he did it with a greater plan.
          The plan was the birth of Jesus to happen in the womb of a virgin of pure Adamic stock. Jesus even once refused to heal a Syro Phoenician woman once- Why? Because the plan of God has an order to it… Salvation to the gentiles came through Jesus, born as an Adamic babe and not as a mongrelised or preadamic babe.

          When Jesus died, He atoned for the sins and sinfulness of all mankind, Adamic and Preadamic- preaching to the mixed races in Hades (who drowned in the flood) and lifting paradise above.

          In today’s context, there are no pure Adamic beings. In the first century, only a remnant of the Jews retained their racial purity.

          Wars in the Old Testament were Holy wars fought by God using Hebrews against the fallen angels represented by their human devotees. Exodus 12.12

          Rebellion & War was initiated by the dragon first, Lucifer in Eden next, Cain later, Nephilim nations of blood thirsty giants afterwards.

          In fact it was an unending holocaust pronounced by the devil against Adamic races. Unfortunately only Israel stood on behalf of the true God and the other nations were mostly mongrelised and firmly entrapped in astrology, worship of dwarves (harmless fallen angels), witchcraft etc.

          The blood of Jesus has not united all mankind as one and there are no differences or otherness now.

          The mark of the beast in Revelations is not a mere UID chip, but a genetic marker that can alter the genome base to split out the Adamic portion completely, thus making man without a soul)
          He will be a remote controlled toy soldier in the hands of the Antichrist, the administrator of the government of the beast.
          The sealing of the 144k is a sign that God’s in control and no amount of biological manipulation can affect the chosen.
          One of the few ambitions that fallen man has, is to explore Mars and make it habitable. (Whereas God has not called us to Mars but to Zion)

          (These things confuse you, but please do not let it affect you- You may choose to ignore this message altogether. I write this not to bring another gospel, but to provide clues… You are responsible to choose to read or not. Skeptical replies are not entertained as I have no evidence to back me up)

        15. I appreciate the lengthy reply. It doesn’t confuse me coz I had read material like these before, believed it for a while and now consider it as ‘wonderful imagination’. Since you mentioned that skeptical replies are not entertained, I am not bringing in any ( the whole story is riddled with lots of nonsensical ‘concepts’).Nice interacting with you Denzel. You sure have a smart mind and may it continue to lead you into greener pastures.Adios.

        16. Denzel brother…

          You have done your part brother…find the below verses about thepeople who think their understanding supersedes God’s WISDOM

          Gal 6:3
          For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.

          Romans 1:21‭-‬22
          For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

          Proverbs 26:12
          Do you see a person wise in their own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for them.

          Proverbs 21:2,14:12
          A person may think their own ways are right, but the LORD weighs the heart
          There is a way that appears to be right,
          but in the end it leads to death.

          Finally, Jesus himself said..

          John8:24
          That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins.”

          Moreover, How come you know all the stuffs that you shared above… personal revelation or read from some books…

        17. Bro Denzel
          I don’t have your mail I’d. So I am forced to discuss here, with you.

          Even I used to believe preadamic race theology for some time. I heard the Bible study of it from Benny hinn. But later I discarded the idea for for following reason.

          Rom 5:12 death and sin spread in the world because of Adam.

          This is even applicable of dinosaurs theory.

          This verse proves there was no death and no sin before Adam. It spread because of Adam’s disobedience.

          We need to think on it.

        18. @ Bro Nath,

          //Even I used to believe preadamic race theology//

          Brother,

          I am sceptical of things that are not very clear and I am a very lazy follower of newer hypostases.

          I understand what exactly you mean and I have read both sides of the argument very well (preadamism vs. Adamism)

          My earliest thoughts were not recent, but shortly before I even joined the ministry (which I left).

          It is almost impossible for a detailed discourse on arriving what is true vs false, because of entire web pages in itself cannot fully explain or refute either argument.

          Perhaps, it is a blob in my head, but for several years I have already agreed to open my thoughts to discover eschatological tid bits without presuppositions, but it takes me else where. In other words, this is not something someone told me or I read randomly somewhere… A lot of neutral sincere reading has been invested.
          Am I espousing this to anyone else- NO
          Certain friends kind of agree for name-sake, but each have their own degrees of doubts.

          I do not wish that you should be swayed away/ offended/ disillusioned by things that are not written in the Bible purely.
          In fact this was my sincere parting comment @ XBW, but he chose to walk away in a hurry.

          Since you are not for preadamism, there are genuine reasons and verses against it, I suggest you should go with your reasoning… Your reasoning will not stop you from the second coming in any way.

          I also feel that my belief is not contradicting the Bible, but rather reconciles science with scriptures… again I am a cautious explorer of this theory and I do not recommend its application on general knowledge of a budding Christian, but really love to discuss this with TPM/ xTPM folks as they have superior Bible knowledge.

          Please consider this as food for thought- a window dressing of plausible ideas.

          This will in no way hinder me from loving the Lord or seeking His face.

          lol bro… I am no fan of Benny Hinn…
          I will surely share my email id, one of these days to admin.

        19. @ bro Cognizance,

          //You have done your part brother…find the below verses about the people who think their understanding supersedes God’s WISDOM//

          Bro, I humbly agree that am not wise enough to understand many things, not learned enough to discern many things.

          If in any way, I appear as a distraction from the main topic of TPM, please forgive me.

          My original comment was written with an intent to perhaps show some light on how mankind got yoked into a natural curse and why the Lord God seemed to show cruelty to non Jews etc.

          My early interest in becoming a christian apologist took no wings but fanned in me the flames of passion to read about science and research scriptures… As a result, a lot of vanity needed to be parsed and filtered, and the serious details considered with some intrigue.

          Given my family background, it became easier to discuss this at home, though not without skepticism.

          The Church never believed that the earth revolved around the sun, and that the earth was not flat, until 500 years ago.
          The church scoffed at the idea of Nibiru, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto as planets- but they found mention in middle eastern tablets. It was only 90 years ago, that Pluto was discovered.

          Anyways, Godly wisdom, mind of Christ and eschatology are different streams of studies and I appreciate each of them with whole devotion.

          Solomon was right when he said- much studies wearies the flesh; Paul said- knowledge puffeth.

          There is no point in knowing many things, but then losing the love of God… I am wary of this becoming a self fulfilling prophesy as such.

          Thank you for encouraging me with verses that take me back to the Bible.

          //Moreover, How come you know all the stuffs that you shared above… personal revelation or read from some books…//
          Am studying eschatology, demonology, angeleology, jezebelology etc and I have much to share about Europa bull and Zeus and its links with Biblical prophesy.

          Apologies to all, for boring you and digressing from the TPM topic.

        20. Dear brother Denzel,

          I have passed on a message through admin to your mail….kindly acknowledge the message reception …

        21. More about early CPM: Alwin de Alwis is described as an early local evangelist with the Church Missionary Society (CMS). It is stated that Alwin hailed from an influential Singhalese family, and was comparatively well educated. He was not married and one source says he converted to Christianity from Buddhism. The writer states, in any case he probably belonged to the Baptist Mission in Ceylon before he became Pentecostal. His sister Freda had also taken a prominent position in the church. Later a brother of Alwin, Clement de Alwis, also joined the church.
          Ram Paul (Anglican) and Alwin de Alwis are mentioned as pentecostal workers in Sri Lanka drawn from the local denominations and independent pentecostal missionaries. Alwin separately commenced a ministry of his own in the Kandy area.
          The Weekly Evangel (1916,1917) states that in 1913 Alwin was preparing for the coming of the American missionaries Mr and Mrs W.D. Grier to Colombo. De Alwis was an early convert to Pentecostalism, receiving Spirit baptism in 1912, possibly as a result of South Indian – based George Berg or J.L. Bahr’s ministry in Sri Lanka. De Alwis was the Griers’ main co-worker and took charge of their work in Peradeniya in 1915, and the Griers left Sri Lanka permanently in 1917.

          Both Alwin and Ram Paul were part of the Baptist Mission in 1918 at the time of Sadhu Sundar Singh’s visit to Ceylon. Alwin attended Singh’s meetings at the Methodist church in Galle.
          It’s stated that both Alwin and Ram Paul were well-known converts of Anna Lewini, the Danish pentecostal missionary who started the Glad Tidings Hall in Colombo in 1922.
          CPM was a breakaway group in 1923 from the Glad Tidings Hall and the ministry of Walter Clifford. Writers state that the CPM founders were Alwin and Ram Paul. The first Faith Hall was in Galle. There is some evidence that in 1925, a further group left Glad Tidings Hall and joined CPM. The reason for the division was the emphasis by Paul and de Alwis on less organizational structure and a more ascetic approach to Christian life, including celibacy for those involved in ministry. The growing formalism of the AOG mission under Walter Clifford did not coincide with de Alwis and Paul’s views about Pentecostal missions. The CPM founders were determined to practice a NT ministry as described in Acts 2:44. Unlike the AOG movement in Sri Lanka the CPM was a totally indigenous work with no foreign missionaries influencing or contributing to its development. Its reluctance to document its own activities and personalities makes research difficult.
          From 1923 CPM was indigenous, founders mentioned as Anglican, Methodist, Baptist, foreign input from Anna Lewini, community sharing, Holy Spirit emphasis, apostles, prophets, consecrated ministry, strong sisters’ ministry, central government, celibacy, national dress-white, evangelism through healing miracles-winning converts from other churches-exclusivism, much emphasis on quality of worker and believer, obedience and military precision-sacrifice, multiple workers (celibate) in a faith home, all night vigils, long worship sessions, anointing, triennial conventions.

          One writer makes an interesting comment – the CPM is an exclusivist sect where celibacy is encouraged for the increase of spiritual power, and Indian music usually accompanied by drums is used.

    1. Hey you Justin,
      Read your bible first. Nominal Christians do not read bible and question the revelation of God given to chief Pastors. In Joshua 3:4, God asked people to stay away from Levites by 2000 cubits. We should not interfere in matters of workers. We should sit apart from saints especially during meeting time. I humbly ask you to read Joshua 3:4.

      1. Thank you Harry for your wonderful revelation! Why do TPM saints then touch believers hand when taking cash (tithe) from their hands?? I think they forget Joshua 3:4 as soon as they see cash!! Ha.. Ha..

        Brother Harry
        People in Joshua’s time were asked to be away from ark of covenant and not from Levites. Because Ark was symbol of presence of God! This separation between presence of God and people was manifested at mount Sinai and in tabernacle also. In tabernacle a veil kept the separation and in mount Sinai they were asked not to touch mountain. The reason was that people were to understand that man is sinner and separated from God. But in New Testament this veil was rent from top to bottom. Separation between God and man was removed by sacrifice of Jesus. Now everyone is reconciled to God by blood and body of Jesus.

        Heb 10:19,20 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus. By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

        1. Harry, the typical TPM believer – doesn’t even have wisdom to understand a simple verse from the bible mixing old with new..Maybe one of the “consecrated” saints taught this “deeper truth” to him!
          I don’t even belong to this ‘church’ aka cult but had a chance to attend for few weeks when overseas. I saw all the signs of a cult in this organization.. came home to google for info on this TPM cult, rightfully what all I had thought is very true and rightfully put by admin and his team – we need Moses’ like this to help people come out of this satanic TPM bondage. I really thank God for you admin and I’ll be praying for this challenging ministry that you’re doing. May our Loving Lord bless you.

      2. Hey Harry,
        Brother Nath has already given the answer to your biblical blindness. What Jesus did during HIS worldly life? Anyway for TPM saints and believers JESUS is irrelevant, you have proved it once again beyond doubt.
        How long you will defend all these unbiblical teachings and practices? Beware one day you have to stand before the throne of judgement alone. That time none of your these so called saints will be there to help you out and proclaim their judgment as they do now. Read BIBLE without tpm lens, then HOLY SPIRIT will guide you to understand the truths.

      3. Dear Harry, you are very much proving the point that fromtpm.com has stressed on over and over again, i.e tpm workers consider themselves as a type and shadow of the old testament Aaronic priesthood. You said “Normal Christians do not read the Bible and question the revelation given to chief pastors”, bro Harry you are living in the new testament with an old testament mindset. In your mind, only the tpm clergy is the ultimate definition of priesthood. Sir Harry, according to the new testament we are a royal priesthood, we ourselves should have an intimate and personal relationship with God rather than depending on the “revelation of God given to chief pastors”, rely on the word of God and the voice of God rather than getting addicted and enslaved to the fables of men. Jesus died for each and everyone of us thereby providing each and everyone of us access to God the Father. Read the Bible brother, the veil was torn when Jesus died on the cross, unfortunately that same veil is stopping you from knowing The One who laid down His life to save you. And what do mean by “we should not interfere in matters of workers”? Kindly enlighten me. I suppose you are setting them on a higher pedestal with that phrase, I’m sorry I don’t buy that grotesque lie, you and your folks can keep believing and preaching that your clergy is somehow more favored by God,receive more deeper revelations from God and are elites who have been entrusted with the responsibility of presenting the church perfect before Christ, but sorry to break your bubble, that’s a lie, wake up to reality my friend, wake up from the deep spiritual slumber the tpm clergy has put you in, your clergy will not take you to heaven, your clergy did not die for your sins, forget dying for sins, will they even skip a meal for you? And the fact that you said that we should sit away from them especially during the meetings just proves that either you worship them or you worship God through them, both of these are miserable and pathetic conditions. Kindly refrain from making some laughable statements. Kindly do respond, I am not looking to put you down or make you a laughing stock, but I would like to have an honest conversation with you, I would like to understand what makes you believe the things you believe.

      4. You should take the NT sometimes. If you have already read then read it more carefully. If you have read carefully and still not understood then please ask God to give understanding through the Holy Spirit.

        You may not have read this.

        2 Corinthians 3 – 12 Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13 not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16 But when one[c] turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord[d] is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,[e] are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another.[f] For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

        So because you are reading and trying to build an OT commune (I wont call church) the veil is still there. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.

        Now hear what Jesus says – Matthew 23 – 23 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe,[a] that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[b] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

        So all Christians including the pastors are brethren. Only Jesus is the leader. Read these portions if you will.

    2. It happens everywhere. In local conventions, worker brothers and pastors dine like there no tomorrow. Poor local sisters cook and cook and cook without any rest. I once suggested to the chief sister, why dont the brothers and pastors eat with the believers during local conventions. Its a good way to interact with believers and speak to them. It also helps by lessening the workload of the local sisters. This will result in them spending time talking to new souls etc. I was told…no thamby…this is the only time we can take good care of the worker brothers.
      I hv seen Pas. PM Thomas come to the serving area n eat common food in Malaysia. But u will never see it happen nowadays.

  5. Dear Harry,

    Kindly read the below verse and answer the following questions honestly.Are the ministers of Tpm more holier than THE HOLY ONE OF GOD – JESUS???
    Do you honestly believe Jesus Christ will not dine with you because He is The Cheif High Priest in the Order of Melchizedek?

    Mark 2 – 15 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him.

    It is purely unchristlful nature.Are you not shocked to observe Jesus’ nature is tarnished? whoever it maybe whether Tpm or other organization or you/Me…it is not of Jesus…For we did not learn Christ in this way.

    1. Brother
      These TPM ministers are gluttonous people. The pastors have great affinity for premium non-veg food. As already mentioned,The likes of Mumbai centre pastor will only swallow food if it has goat brain in it. These are people who says that they left everything. I know of jokers in this mission who would get violent if they do not get their preferred food. And these same people are claiming to be apostles and saints.

  6. The 144,000 are described in Revelation Chapter 14.
    These 144,000 were redeemed from the earth (see v3), redeemed from among men BEING THE FIRSTFRUITS UNTO GOD AND TO THE LAMB (v4) and in Revelation 7:4 the 144,000 are identified as BEING ISRAELITES.
    In Revelation 7:3 – 8 – “THERE WERE SEALED AN HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND OF ALL THE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.” Twelve thousand from EACH OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL.
    This is during the period of The Great tribulation. These 144,000 have been through that period. The church is not Israel. But the church is indeed made up of born again Jews and Gentiles who have all been placed by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ, the church. 1 Cor 12:13 says “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
    The Holy Spirit is given for witness and work for the kingdom of God and corresponds to the fruit produced by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit and our spirits are united together. Therefore, fleshly unscriptural behaviours attributed to the laying on of hands indicate the presence of unholy spirits.
    It is reported that CPM co-founder Alwin R de Alwis sat naked in his room. So also did the ancient Jains. The hierarchy of believers was initiated in CPM. The Jains also had a hierarchy. The Jain philosophy praised their saints; so do those in TPM. CPM wore white garments; so did the Jains. What are the roots of TPM system?
    Check out Charles Parham from Azusa Street beginnings. He supported British Israelism, Theodor Herzl, and Zionism, and taught holiness, divine healing, non-possession of goods, and that Spirit Baptism had eschatological significance by “sealing the bride” which consisted of 144,000. Chief Pastor Alwis called themselves spiritual Zionists. Azusa Street sent missionaries to India and Ceylon.
    In the USA most of TPM church work was pioneered by Pastor Don Spiers who had worked closely with Oral Roberts (a Freemason). Why does the TPM regress into OT Judaistic teaching? It does not help TPM people that TPM is exclusivist and separated from other believers. Praise God for this website. If any is a Christian, please look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, not unto men (even ‘divine’ men).

    1. It is interesting to note that Alwyn loved to be naked before people(in his room). This is a strong indication that the person was possessed with demons
      In Luke 8:27 we see a multi-demon (Legion) possessed man shunning dresses that cover his body.

    2. Dear Believer in Christ On the question of 144,000:-

      1. To enter into Heaven there is no qualification or entitlement, but there are many disqualifications! It is by Grace and Grace alone one can hope to get eternal life let alone be part of 144,000.

      2. The 144,000 of ch 7 and ch 14 of Rev may or may not be the same. If they are the same then one has to be from one of the tribes of Israel to be part of that group.

      3. If they are not the same, again it is not clear whether they are male or female or both. I believe they will be both male and female as there are no male or female in Heaven. In that case the “Not defiled by Woman” theory fails and so does the celibacy qualification.

      4. Then what is the explanation for “not defiled” and “chaste” attributes of these 144,000. I believe it is spiritual chastity and spiritual defilement. In that case are there such who are not born of a woman and remain spiritually chaste. I think the answer can be found in the first few chapters of Genesis, the so called “Sons and daughters of GOD”.

      5. “These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb” – by who? GOD himself! So I don’t get fooled by any one saying that, “I belong to 144,000”. My reply is good for you day-dreamer.

      6. Lastly, “And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.” Every one born of a woman stands disqualified!

      The verses in Rev ch14 with regard to the 144,000 is quite comprehensive; where as the cultist TPM has been fooling the masses for decades.

      May GOD bless you -;)

      1. Dear Col (retd)
        Do you take anyone in military without qualification? Then how do you expect to go to zion the God’s palace of King without qualification. Required Qualification is clearly given in Revelation 14. They are not defiled by women. Do not play with scriptures.

        1. I sympathise with you Mr Alex.

          It is gullible people like you who are responsible for the growth of this evil TPM.

          Let me explain to you. Heaven and Indian Army cannot be compared. Heaven is very, very, very big. Lord GOD Almighty allows only those people He likes. No one can say I have such and such qualification and I should be allowed. That is what we call as Grace and Grace alone.

          There many things revealed to us through the passages of the Book of Revelation about Heaven, such as the 24 elders, 144,000 of the tribes of Israel, 144,000 of ch 14, multitudes praising without ceasing, etc. Even after entering Heaven no one can say I shall be in such and such place in Heaven. If any one says so he/she is fooling others. It is the will and pleasure of Lord GOD Almighty to assign a place for each one who enters Heaven.

          You seem to be wise in your own eyes. Please explain to us what is Zion and what is meant by “not defiled by woman”. Also answer the question whether the 144,000 are male or female or both.

          Have you read James 3:1. Let us not try to preach but read and meditate the word of GOD so that we will not be judged.

          Please tell me with what authority you tell some one such as “Do not play with scriptures”.

          May GOD bless you.

        2. Brother Alex…
          You have just spoken Heresy…read the following verses…see for yourself who played and playing with scriptures…

          Revelation 14:4
          These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

          How Dare you to call marriage a defilement…the above verse does not talk about marriage as defilement but adultery – a man having defiled his body with a woman unlawful??

          If you call the union of man(husband) and woman (wife) in marriage a defilement then you are calling the image of God a defilement…it is a Heresy…Heresy brother….before you speak for someone/organization be careful with your words…

          Read the following verse
          Genesis 1:27
          So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

          And God gave them command to multiply them in the following verse
          Genesis 1:28
          28God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

          Are you accusing the image of God which is the man and woman as a defilement…???

          Are you calling the command of God to man and woman befruitful as unholy…??

          Now say who will accuse God’s image and who will abuse the command of GOD??? Is it not Satan???

          How the HOLY GOD will allow a defiled generation to fill the earth if marriage is a defilement…

          Have you read the following verse in the bible which says the purpose of marriage…
          Malachi 2:15
          Didn’t the LORD make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union.

          God created man and woman so that they will bear a Godly generation…

          How boldly you people speak Heresy against God and His ordinance…

          Who will stop Godly generation to multiply??? Is it not Satan??

          Do you know you are not suppose to call holy things to be defiled…
          Acts 10:15
          The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

          Have not you ever read the following scripture which says even your unbelieving wife cannot defile you by faith…
          1 Corinthians 7:14
          For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy…

          It says even the children that you bear with unbelieving wife will be holy by Faith…

          If God calls marriage holy and honourable…. children they bear are Godly and Holy…

          How Dare you to interpret Reveal 14:4 refers to marriage and a man is defiled by wife..??

          Heresy… Heresy….

          Now say you has played and playing with scriptures???

        3. Very good explanation of first half of Rev 14:4 bro Cognizance. Defilement in this verse cannot refer to marriage. If tpm teaches it then it is preaching heresy. Bible is crystal clear in Heb 13:3. The second part “they are virgins” was made clear by richard elsewhere in this website (I don’t exactly remember), by pointing to II corn 11:4. So this website has put clear light in Rev 14:4 that it refers to spiritual adultery. Rev 14:4 is the key verse of Tpm, and it has been refuted perfectly.

      2. Dear Col (rtd),
        1/True, we are saved by grace, through faith, it is the gift of God. Eph 2:8
        2/True, the scriptures say that the 144,000 are from the tribes of Israel in Revelation 7:4. God is talking about Israel here so the 144,000 are not from the church, lest any church think that they are the 144,000, which is false doctrine and taught by the JWs and TPM.
        Revelation 7:3 mentions the “sealed servants of God in their foreheads” which compares in number to the “144,000” of Revelation 14:1 “with his Father’s name written in their foreheads.” Revelation 7:3,14 speaks of the Great Tribulation period while Revelation 14:1,3 speaks of the Millennium reign of Christ on earth where the 144,000 stand with the Lamb on mount Sion.
        3/Rev 14:1 is a picture of the Lamb with the 144,000. Verse 3 says “which were redeemed from the earth”. Bible commentator J. Vernon McGee says the “not defiled with women” would be peculiar to the unparalleled suffering of the Great Tribulation period and that the abnormal times then demanded an abnormal state. That was the reason they were unmarried. During the Tribulation period the times are going to be so frightful that it will be wise not to get married. e.g. Jeremiah 16:1-4. Also see Matt 24:19. Not like today when marriage is honourable and even encouraged.
        You are correct, Col, the TPM “Not defiled by woman” theory fails, and so does the celibacy qualification.
        5/ “Firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb” refers to the nation of Israel. See Rom 11:15-16. So Israel is described as the firstfruits, especially the 144,000. They will be with the Lamb, the Lord Jesus, when he returns to set up the kingdom on earth. During the Great Tribulation the 144,000 will have kept themselves from the sins of immorality and idolatrous worship of the Beast and his image.
        I agree with you Col, the 144,000 doesn’t refer to any group in existence today, nor does it refer to the church. God is talking about 144,000 of Israel sealed to be witnesses to him.
        6/ Vernon McGee reckons “in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God” is referring to the 144,000 not being deceived with the Beast when he used lying wonders. Remember Jesus said that if it were possible to deceive the very elect, they would be deceived. But these will not be deceived. They are without blemish because they are clothed in the righteousness of Christ.
        7/ Thank you Col for your comments. Where these errors of TPM continue to hold ground, may God peradventure give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. (2 Timothy 2:25b)
        Finally, I stand with you Col in the praise of the glory of God’s grace for by grace we are saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8-9.
        …but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. Romans 5:16b. That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 5:21.

  7. During Easter ‘fasting’ week, incidentally, I happened to visit a faith home in Australia. One believer sister came and gave a big container food. I was bewildered as to why they bring food for the “servants” of god during fasting…after enquiring that believer sister why she brought food, I couldn’t believe what she said “for the past 8 years I’ve been bringing these fresh chicken/meat porridge whenever the SOGs fast. Then I asked in-charge brother how can they call as fasting when they have a nice healthy lunch..then he replied. We don’t have good food just oats in the morning and chicken porridge like that in the afternoon and night (believe it or not – all the time I’ve visited faith home in several foreign countries they have a luxurious 5-8 course meal…and I’ve been attending TPM in Australia for over 12 years). Even the filthy rich here don’t eat like that!! And one more thing, only if you give tithe and offerings (put money in their pockets) will they share the food if you happen to visit faith homes. Quite similar to paying and eating in a restaurant 🙂 they will forcibly arrange lunch or dinner if they come for house visits and give their luxurious “menu” for us to prepare when they visit. The same brother once preached in a sermon that we should multiply portion and provide best food for ‘servants of god’ as Joseph ordered to set the table for Benjamin when his brothers came to Egypt.

  8. Lol! Pastor Robin visited us couple of weeks ago. The senior sister as usual advised my wife of the several course menu. We actually wanted to share our burden and talk to him regarding some issues but alas didn’t happen at all. From the time he entered our house till he left, he was busy browsing his smartphone (you might know that most servants of god, at least the men update their phones to the latest iPhones or Samsungs as soon as the new versions come when most of us cant afford that). Anyway, all that he and the “consecrated saints” who came along with him did was eat a good meal, pray, collect offering and leave. I personally am dead against tithe and offerings to these elite servants (The Lord opened my eyes to this truth of giving and not tithing during my personal bible reading several years ago) but sometimes you don’t have a choice when you live with your parents and wife who are under this bondage.

    1. Thank you so much, brother. Please propagate this site among all TPM folks so that their eyes might be opened. However, most of them will behave as if it is some Jesus Parable and not understand. Therefore, they would be condemned as written in Mark 4:12
      That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

  9. After a little conversation, I myself noticed two sisters telling me and showing their ex-husbands when they were passing that way “he is the one, my husband.” Those days were my adolescent days, barely know anything about the marital relationship and the bondage between them, but I was shell shocked to listen and perceive what kind of agony they were undergoing. THEY WERE FORCED TO GET SEPARATED. Is that not a sin? Last days, Forbidding to marry, it is DOCTRINES OF DEVILS, read 1 Tim 4:1-3. In the first church, all the married and unmarried apostles were ministering unitedly only.

    1. Brother
      All TPM Specific doctrines are inspired by Devil. This site has cast enough light on those. But it is also a proof that people loved a lie and unrighteousness more than God’s truth (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12). I am sure this site will stand as a testimony against all TPM Believers in the Judgement seat of Christ. They will have no escape from the Lord that day.

  10. So the overwhelming “evidence” is that TPM is an evil place.

    I guess the only question remaining is “what next?”…

        1. @ Vik..I dunno if that question was meant to be sarcastic or not, if it’s not..then I have to say that’s a very good practical question ….I used to be a very sincere Tpm devotee who had to go through very strong mental withdrawal symptoms as my mind was subjected to the tug of war between rationality on one side and the practical sides of life like family, society, friends, marriage etc. on the other side…as you asked leave tpm and do what ? Other churches ? The same human drama happens there on a different scope …This pattern of denominational formation based on ideological differences has been a key hallmark of Christianity and at the end of the day I feel it’s all non sense ..if one is happy at Tpm good for him /her ..if one isn’t he/ she can leave to another denomination which he/she thinks match closely to their idea of truth is …there might or might not come a time when they or their future generation finds the “new ” church full of lies and decides to restart the whole “seperation” process again …it’s the same in not just the church or politics but the animal kingdom as well ….I guess the answer to that question lies with the individual …

        2. I was relocating to my home town after my retirement from the Indian Army. In my home town my folks comprising mother, sister and families are utterly brain washed TPMs. I didn’t mind attending with them as my doctrine is Worship the Creator and forget about religion. However, I asked the Lord, “Do I stay with TPM? They will not allow me to grow spiritually nor minister unto the Lord”. The Lord said to me, “You will not.” That is enough for me. The circumstances so developed in spite of objections from family members, that I moved to Church of South India. TPM tried very hard to get me back. But I didnt budge. This is my testimony.

          Ask the Lord and choose your path. As for me and my house we are richly blessed being in CSI in total contravention to the bad and false propaganda about CSI by TPM! I am in charge of Pastorate Men’s fellowship and share the Word of GOD as given by Him. Besides I support ministry elsewhere in our state among Hindi speaking people. Our GOD is so great. So you should move away from small men and women.

        3. Dear Vik Gant,

          Your question of “Come out and do what?” needs to be answered.

          First and foremost the realisation should dawn on everyone concerned that they are giving their power and strength (Rev 17:13) to an ungodly cult of murderers and sexual maniacs. If anyone feels that there are some good people in there, then my question is why do they not stand up against evil and whom are they protecting?

          Secondly every one should realise that by feeding the evil they are sustaining and helping the evil to grow strong. Stop supporting forthwith.

          Thirdly, organise relocating sisters in small groups and ask them to join CSI, the main line church. They may carry on evangelism and missionary work.

          Most importantly, pray for the sisters. I have no sympathy for the men in white! They can go and fend for themselves. Sooner or later CSI will take over the properties.

          So help us GOD!

    1. As a TPM Well-wisher & as someone who understands the emotional stakes involved in this den of lions, this is the verse that came to mind.

      It is not my desire that TPM should be shamed in public, my daily prayer is that the Lord should intervene and lift the veil over their blinded eyes.

      The only reason why I even comment here, is because the voices of the powerful drown the voices of the oppressed… The average, poor, believer has little Bible knowledge and is a sitting duck in matters of Biblical interpretations.

      Of late, my emails have been harsh, and I apologize to anyone who may have been hurt.
      Please read your own Bible brother and be sure that on the judgment day, the Lord will definitely mention ‘fromtpm’ website to the TPM fans and say ‘You had Moses and the prophets when on earth, sorry its too late to feign ignorance, child’

      Ecclesiastes 4:1
      Then I looked again at all the acts of oppression which were being done under the sun. And behold I saw the tears of the oppressed and that they had no one to comfort them; and on the side of their oppressors was power, but they had no one to comfort them.

  11. Yes, they are really mocking and abusing the power of God in public. They want to behave like Hindu deities during their festivals. Every prophesying prophet is aware of what is going on around him. If something else is revealed to the next person the first person has to shut his mouth. When such order is given to the church by St. Paul, how can this devilish people can behave like this? SURELY THERE IS SEDUCING SPIRIT WORKING STRONG AMONG THEM. See and perceive. In the believer’s houses now stabbing incidents also are taking place. For this kind of chaos we are called? This is the peace given by Jesus? If this is the fruit of this ministry then think what kind of a tree it is.
    Recently I happened to attend a CPM church, nowadays there is no much jumping, not much shouting. Every time the pastor has to push them by their bum and say stirrup your spirit, stirrup your spirit. WHAT A JOKE!

  12. Dear Ex_b,
    God has brought you to this website. That’s God’s leading in your life.
    Satan will try to lead people away from receiving and keeping Christ Jesus by his temptations – like despair, doubt, and giving up trusting God because of problems. Don’t let Satan get an advantage: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
    Know the works of your enemy.
    We are in a spiritual fight. Hallelujah Christ has won the victory on the cross by cancelling sin against us and destroying sin’s power in our lives; Satan has lost claim to the souls of men; Jesus has destroyed his works against us; the living Jesus Christ has the keys of hell and of death.

    Because God says Christ is not ashamed to call us brethren (For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one …) hold onto Christ, no matter what, and don’t be deceived by any lie of the devil. Don’t lose what Christ gives, the kingdom of heaven and of God; IT IS THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE.

    What does the writer to the Hebrews say? Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
    Have you or I yet?

    Our life is as a vapour. Soon we shall all stand before the judgement of the Lord Jesus Christ and give an account. But we shall not be ashamed if we live by faith in Christ and walk by his Spirit. “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”

    We must guard our hearts against sin.

    Don’t condemn God by calling his ways anything less than omniscient and omnipotent for he is God, the LORD the God of all flesh, omnipresent and from everlasting to everlasting.
    Who can judge God? Job found the answer to that.

    Christians, don’t give heed to fables, endless genealogies which minister questions, vain jangling (1 Tim 1) philosophy, to vain deceit after the tradition of men and the rudiments of the world (Col 3:8). Don’t let your minds be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Don’t let the quandaries of life dull the Spirit of Christ working in you.

    Instead, if you too have believed on Jesus as your personal Saviour, say in your heart, this is my opportunity to trust God, to learn more of him and his saving grace, as he brings me through to victory.
    Read the word of God, trust in Christ’s authority and the Holy Spirit’s power and pray to your Father in heaven, for men ought always to pray, and not to faint.

    For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

    It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life, says Jesus. Therefore, choose LIFE. God bless you in Jesus’ name today. (Sorry Ex_b, this got a bit too long)

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