First off, let’s define “medicine”.

The Merriam-Webster defines medicine as “a substance or preparation used in treating disease”.

  1. Paul says to Timothy to “use a little wine FOR the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.” (1 Timothy 5:23). Is that not medicine?
  1. If the answer to the above question is a “NO”, how do you say a wine for stomach ailment is not a medicine but a tablet is?
  1. Did God give you a list of substances that are considered “medicine” in His eyes?
  1. If God didn’t give you that list, aren’t you being self-righteous when you categorize certain things as “medicine”?
  1. I don’t know any TPM believer who doesn’t do a salt water gargle for a sore throat, doesn’t brush their teeth to maintain the health of their gums and teeth, doesn’t drink water treated with chemicals to kill germs etc. Do you?
  1. Contrast what Hezekiah did (Ointment of figs to tre20 Questions for Believers in TPM Version of Divine Healingat his boils, a medicine which God told to use) to what Asa did. Both used medicine, one sought the Lord, the other didn’t. So shouldn’t the lesson we must take from Asa’s life be to seek the Lord at all times?
  1. TPM says “He sought not the Lord, but the physicians” means Asa did not stand for divine healing. Was Paul asking Timothy to do the same as Asa?
  1. Did Paul and Timothy not have enough faith that God can heal his stomach ailments?
  1. Our God is Jehovah-Jireh, the Lord who provides. There are hundreds of verses in the bible where God says he will provide our needs. So is seeking employment in contradiction to God’s promises of being our provider?
  1. God miraculously provided food for Elijah using ravens. He miraculously provided for the widow in 2 Kings 4 with oil. Can I then make a doctrine saying those who work for their living don’t have enough faith that God will provide for their needs?
  1. TPM bans believers from sitting at the Lord’s Table if they’ve taken medicine when there is no such rule placed on any believer in the New Testament. Isn’t that an unbiblical practice?
  1. Do you realize that the field of medicine is always evolving? In the NT things like wine and oil were the medicines of the day (In the parable of the Good Samaritan, the wounds were treated with oil and wine. Wine has antiseptic properties)
  1. In James 5:14, the elders of the church were supposed to pray for the sick. If you read the preceding verses, it reads thus

“Is anyone among you in trouble (kakopatheó)? Let them pray. Is anyone happy? Let them sing songs of praise.” (James 5:13)

Kakopatheó: endure hardship, suffer hardship, suffering.

If you are going through hardship (let’s say financially), do you not do anything other than pray? When you are joyful, do you not to anything other than sing songs of praise?

  1. James 5:14-16

“Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.”

To borrow a few arguments from Zac Poonen, the verse clearly says when an elder prays in faith, the sick person will become well. Isn’t the obvious reason for a sick person to not be healed after prayer, the lack of faith on the part of the one praying?

  1. Does James say if one doesn’t get healed, he has to die even when there are alternatives available?
  1. What scripture can you provide to support the notion that medicine defiles the body?
  1. Can you give one scripture that puts medicine in a bad light?
  1. What scripture can you provide to support the idea that the physical bodies of those who take medicines will not be found worthy at Christ’s second coming?
  1. 1 Peter 2:24, Peter explains the “healing” talked about in Isaiah 53:5 was our spiritual healing. Matthew explains in Matthew 8:17 that Isaiah 53:4 was fulfilled before Jesus died on the cross. So can you give any passage from scripture that says Christ died on the cross for our physical sickness?
  1. Matthew 9:12 “When Jesus heard this, he said, ‘Healthy people don’t need a doctor–sick people do’”. Wasn’t it a given that the sick needs a doctor? (Yes, Jesus is talking about sinners needing a spiritual healing. The fact of the matter is Jesus using a GOOD real world example to make his point)

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  1. All the TPM saints always exploit their celibate status. (Once Atal Bihari Vajpai said even though I am not married, I am not a celibate. Oh, TPM saints learn something from him at least) The medicine use another form of exploitation.

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  2. TRUE TEACHERS……FROMTPM TEAM….SO GOOD ATLEAST GRACIOUS LORD HELPED ME TO READ YOUR REVELATIONS GRACIOUSLY.

    HA HA HA CARRY ON……!!!!!!!!

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  3. One day I saw some strange actions from the TPM preacher, while he was leading songs of worship, which reminded me of Exodus 4:5-9.

    Following this, in the sermon, these scriptures were read out and preached –
    2 Chronicles 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.
    2 Chronicles 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
    1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
    Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    Finally, the preacher finished his sermon quoting the missionaries David Livingstone, Jim Elliot, and Eric Liddell.
    All three examples became martyrs for Christ and forsook their wives/families for Christ and ministry.
    I highlight here that these men were really not the focus, but their actions as missionaries were the common focal point.
    These men were used as an expedient illustration for the preacher’s purpose.
    But the apostle Paul warns against sensuality in 1 Corinthians 6:12 and says,
    ” All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.”

    This sermon was subliminal.

    One day the preacher stirred up the spirit of the people by rousing them emotionally. I thought about the ways of the ministers.
    Don’t the scriptures say, in John 5:
    39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
    40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
    41 I receive not honour from men.
    42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
    43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
    44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
    Luke 12: 2 -3 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the house tops.

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  4. hi… i am confused here by reading.. I am from Mumbai. I go to AG church.
    i cannot say TPM servants are wrong.
    because my brother is a missionary in odissa. in 2011 he was in sick bed for 3 months. but a TPM pastor came and prayed for him to God, he was healed the same night. now he is serving God there. how can that happen. God heard his prayer and gave healing. because my brother told he felt the power of God in his body. then how you people say TPM servants say wrong about divine healing and their church is cult.

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    • is this not the best time to help poor people suffering from COVID? Why are these holy men saving themselves? Do you think God is afraid of Covid?

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    • @Naresh, you are confused because you have only seen the tip of the iceberg of TPM’s deception.
      Healing is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and any individual with this gift can heal as per the Lords leading. So its not restricted to TPM pastors alone.
      TPM’s divine healing means dying in faith without understanding the definition of faith as in the bible.
      If you are interested there are many articles here which you have to go through to understand the concept of divine healing as practiced by TPM.
      By the way the word Divine healing is not in the bible at all and its not core to the salvation.
      But neglecting ones health, forceful abstaining from available medical care, coercing people into believing that it is a doctrine, tempting God and waiting for death; then becomes a vain tradition practiced by certain bewitched people in vain hope of attaining a higher level of holiness or salvation.
      Actually more healing is done at the hindu temples, mosques and monasteries as well by the devil himself.
      There is a very purpose for which the Gift of Healing operates and thats certainly not for people who tempt God.

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    • @Naresh Gehlot:
      //but a TPM pastor came and prayed for him to God, he was healed the same night… …then how you people say TPM servants say wrong about divine healing and their church is cult.//

      Here is another case of justifying a church’s doctrine with personal experience but not with the Word of God.

      My wife was just 16 years old when her mother died because she stayed true to TPM’s divine healing doctrine until her very end. My wife’s relatives tell me to this day that her mother would have made it if she had accepted medical treatment. If my wife cites her personal experience to call TPM’s divine healing doctrine as demonic, that would be unacceptable too.

      Irrespective of anyone’s personal experience, a church’s doctrine should only be validated with scriptural backup. Brother Naresh Gehlot, this forum has a few articles (and plays) that expound how the Divine Healing Doctrine preached by TPM is unscriptural. Just to refresh you and others who are not familiar with TPM’s divine healing doctrine, here is a summary: “If a believer takes medicine or seeks doctor’s services, his/her body gets defiled and they will not get raptured at the secret coming of Jesus Christ. TPM forbids Holy Communion to people who take medicine”.

      You claim that you attend the AG church. Are you aware that the AG church doesn’t agree with TPM’s divine healing doctrine? They don’t teach that medicine defiles one’s body, nor do they teach such people will be left behind at the rapture, nor do they prohibit such people from partaking in the Lord’s Table. Before seeking to defend TPM’s unscriptural divine healing doctrine on this forum, you should talk to your AG pastor and check with him if he agrees to TPM’s doctrine on this.

      If you still want to defend TPM’s divine healing doctrine on this forum, please pick up one of the articles on this subject (including this one) from this website and present your arguments with scriptural backup, not with personal or others’ experiences. Every account of experience will have a case of counter-experience to disprove a doctrine. But a doctrine evidenced by the infallible Word of God will stand forever without the need for any experience to uphold it.

      Please find below two more links:
      https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2017/10/09/did-jesus-die-for-your-physical-sickness/
      https://www.fromtpm.com/blog/2016/11/16/misinterpretation-scripture-concerning-divine-healing/

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  5. @Admin
    Your reply did not answer his question.
    In fact, no pastors or preachers from any church are seen in the public going rounds and conducting healing services even your church leaders in your country wouldn’t have done that. why don’t you ask your pastors to travel across US and Canada healing the sick??
    You could not answer his question properly, and your are dodging & redirecting to another question..

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    • According to the TPM doctrine, all those other pastors are going to the lowest place called New Earth. So we do not expect much from them…But these white-clads who are on their journey to Zion should be held accountable.

      Which other church pastors (in the US, India or Canada) says that without their version of divine healing you cannot be saved?
      Do you even know what is TPM Doctrine and the 7 steps of salvation?
      Which other denomination pastors claim to be Apostles and say that they bear the iniquity of others?

      Matt 10:8 says Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

      Answer me why are your TPM fake apostles not able to do these? Had they not claimed to be Apostles, we could forgive them. But with your claims, you cannot escape scrutiny.

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  6. @Naresh Gehlot
    Greeting in the Loving name of Our Lord Jesus. The entire point of this reply is that I am trying to encourage a fellow Brother in Christ that Miracles happen only because of Jesus and not TPM ministers. Your brother was healed it must be GOD’s plan to Glorify the message of GOSPEL.

    As you mentioned that your brother was a missionary, and he fell sick. GOD healed him within a single Night. I am sure it won’t have anything to do with TPM Pastor coming and praying for him, but the “Jesus” whom your brother must’ve preached about has healed him. Let me rephrase my words, it has nothing to do with TPM minister’s prayer, but instead, as your brother has preached GOSPEL due to that – GOD rewarded him or healed him- so “Jesus” can be glorified.

    I tried to understand the Miracles and Wonderful Works of GOD. Let me share with you what God taught me. To understand Miracles and wonders, we need to understand the reason behind it. When you’ll read in Acts 14:3 So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders. Here, if you’ll read Acts 13 and 14:1-3 you’ll come to understand that “message/ word of his grace” means “Gospel”. So, we can understand the miracles were signs, that “GOSPEL” came from the GOD MOST HIGH.

    If you ask admin of this site or someone else who were previously in TPM. You’ll find a terrifying situation, I am not making fun of anyone, (but I am making fun of their hypocrisy.!!!!) I am sharing with a very dark truth, please the consider yourself to be the one who is asking this questions! This is how that scenario would play out!!!

    YOU: Are you people are full-time ministers?
    TPM celibates: YES!
    You: Does that suppose to mean you do spend your time only in service of the Lord?
    TPM celibates: YES!
    You: So you do preach GOSPEL right how many days a year!
    TPM celibates: For preaching GOSPEL we have a special time during the entire year it’s called”convention” (In case you don’t know “Conventions” last max 4 days)! It’s not us, who preach in conventions, but it’s senior Pastors & other Centre Pastors!
    By this answer, you might realise that “they only preach GOSPEL only 4 days a year!!!” The question of the century is “Those who preach GOSPEL 4 days a year, how can they call themselves full-time ministers?? ” (Terrific! Right) – Just bear with me
    You: How you people become the “Pastor” / “Centre Pastors”?
    TPM celibates: Previously those who were TPM workers had to spend their 20 years in this ministry, then they were appointed as Pastors! However, now that time period is 25 years!!
    So, you might come to realise that a TPM Pastor might mean they have spent at least 20 years without preaching GOSPEL! – This is an observation of many people, not just mine own!!!

    Am I the one who is saying that or Bible says the same thing? When we read ACT 1:8 “but ye will receive power, the Holy Spirit having come upon you, and ye shall be my witnesses ….” Witnesses for what? Witnesses for Suffering, death of cross and resurrection of Jesus which is “GOSPEL”. In Acts 2, Apostles preached Suffering, death, and resurrection of Jesus, not that we are better than others. Let’s read how the Second chapter ends ACTS 2:43 “And fear was upon every soul, and many wonders and signs took place through the apostles’ means” .
    In ACTS 3 miracle took place first and afterwards they preached “GOSPEL” again. And in Acts 4:4 “But many of those who had heard the word believed; and the number of the men had become [about] five thousand” and Acts 4:33 “and with great power did the apostles give witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all”
    Miracles in Acts Chapter 5:12-16″And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders done among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch, 13but of the rest durst no man join them, but the people magnified them; 14and believers were more than ever added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women;) 15so that they brought out the sick into the streets and put [them] on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter, when he came, might overshadow some one of them. 16And the multitude also of the cities round about came together to Jerusalem, bringing sick persons and persons beset by unclean spirits, who were all healed”

    In Romans 15:19 “in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Holy Spirit; so that from Jerusalem, and round about even unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ;”
    This verse also does prove that, because of the preaching of GOSPEL, God confirmed the Message of GOSPEL through signs and wonders. SO, your Brother’s healing has everything to do with him being the Missionary and nothing to do with TPM Pastor’s prayer. However, if you wish to give someone glory please give glory to Our Savior Jesus don’t let TPM take the glory when GOD is the one who healed your brother- as GOD is not someone who “.. he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him: but when he cried unto him, he heard” Psalms 22:24. This whole Chapter Psalm 22 is written for the suffering of Christ!! the Last Portion of this Chapter gives us understanding about the Resurrection of Jesus. I’m just clarifying it because I’m not taking any verse out of its context! If anyone is wondering, then Let me say for the New Testament believers the Power of Resurrection is also Promised! Ezekiel 37:12-13 “Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, O my people, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I [am] Jehovah, when I have opened your graves, and have caused you to come up out of your graves, O my people”
    And Romans 8:11″ But if the Spirit of him that has raised up Jesus from among [the] dead dwell in you, he that has raised up Christ from among [the] dead shall quicken your mortal bodies also on account of his Spirit which dwells in you.” The reason I’m sharing this several different verses, if you’ll try to connect it with its context, you will surely come to the conclusion that Power of Resurrection is also fundamental truth about GOSPEL, and as GOD has proved time and time again that, he Confirms the Message of Gospel through Signs and Miracles. So, I will say it once again, as your brother was Missionary – God has healed him to Glorify “Jesus” nothing more, nothing less.

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  7. It is true that only Jesus Healed the tpm missionary & not the pastor who is taking credit from Him, Christ Jesus, (which is the usual practice of most tpmites clergy) Actually this incident reminds me of one i had heard recently regarding another tpm worker who had been miraculously healed from covid19. He/ She prayed fervently & God wonderfully preserved from further harm. He/She is doing very well in the Lord’s divine power. That is solely because God looks at the hearts of individuals who are true to Him.

    That individual worker whose heart is sincere before Him & God preserved him/her completely even though we know tpm”s errors & they do not have the true & whole counsel of God.

    I would like to give a few examples why God allows this:

    1. The individual tpm missionary whose heart is true to Him , God is using him /her to be the perfect example in the midst of TPM darkness. ( Ps 23:4)

    2. Even Jesus went through temptations & trials but without sin.(Heb 4:15, Matt 4:1-11, Luke 4:1-13). In the same way, He allows these sincere workers to experience “the desert of tpm doctrines” only He knows the reasons, perhaps only later after this period of gold refined in fire we will know the perfect will of God.

    3. As @Finney Christian has cited, Jesus suffering/crucifixion, death & resurrection (The Gospel) is being preached in His Name. God must have preserved the worker for the sake of “the Gospel” to be preached through those workers/missionaries whose hearts are sincere before Him.

    Even we were once upon a time, were kept in the dark (tpm doctrines) but we are brought into his marvelous light now. (Eph 5:8-14). We have to pray & work tirelessly that they too will shed tpm lenses & will experience the light of the true & whole counsel of God.

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