Witchcraft in TPM Churches

TPM is one of the most controlling False Religion that I have seen. The latest set of circulars are just a tip of the iceberg that TPM really is. Do you know that Witchcraft is the major tool that enables Church Leaders in controlling their congregation? Control is the Opposite of Freedom. Jesus set us free, but unfortunately, people do not understand that their Leaders are bringing them back to the bondage using Witchcraft.

There are TWO Aspects of Witchcraft. A Natural aspect and a Supernatural aspect. Many people do not realize that witchcraft is listed as a work of the Flesh.

Let us turn to Galatians 5:19-21.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

It is an expansion of the Fallen Human Nature. This is an expression of the UnRegenerate Fallen Man. It is what naturally comes out of our Fleshly Nature. In our Fallen Nature, we desire to control people. It is our desire to get people to do what we want and very often we use illegitimate means to make that happen. Now remember if you yield to the fleshly desire to control, dominate and manipulate another person or people, eventually, a demon of witchcraft will come into your life. That will open up portals for the supernatural element of Witchcraft to enter into your life. A Supernatural power will start energizing the person who yields themselves to control others. It is a tremendous amount of energy to control the lives of many people.

The Question then becomes, Where does the leadership gets this energy to control so many people? Well, it has to be demonic. There is no way to get that kind of strength or energy in the normal way. Its NOT GODLY. You need tremendous energy to tell people what to do, when to do, how to do and run every body’s life.  This is a demonic power that empowers people to Control. This supernatural Energy is called WITCHCRAFT.

The only way to get deliverance from this power is to Firstly recognize it as Demonic and deal with it as Demonic. It’s each one of our responsibility to pray and get deliverance if you are a victim of that kind of Control. This is a tough job as the Spirit of Witchcraft will stop you from this realization. Most of its victims are like a doormat. You need to realize that you are trampled by this evil spirit. Don’t be a doormat for others to walk over you, abuse you and taken advantage of you financially, emotionally and physically.

Paul talked about being bewitched in Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.”

Walk into any TPM Church or talk with any normal TPM Believer, the conversation gradually moves to Faith Homes and the things of the Clergy. The Discussion do not turn to Jesus and his redemptive work or anything about GOD. Is not that enough of proof that the TPM Believers are BEWITCHED?

Tools of Witchcraft

This kind of Witchcraft is not new in churches. It was also prevalent in early churches and is wreaking a havoc in today’s churches by many folds.

The usual tools of Witchcraft are mentioned below

  1. Domination
  2. Threats
  3. Manipulations

These are the same tools employed by the wicked queen Jezebel against the People and Prophet of God. This same spirit used to work in some of the Churches in Revelation Chapters 1-3. The end for those who succumb to a Jezebel spirit is always death and destruction, both in the physical and the spiritual sense.

Witchcraft in TPM Churches
Can you see some Symptoms of this in TPM?

Let us Check one such “FAKE SAINT” we see in the early church. Every time I read this passage I can’t help but think of the Diotrpheses in TPM we see every time.

3 John 9-10

I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

The above verse is pretty clear about the Controlling mechanism employed by Diotrephes in the Early Church. Is not that very evident in TPM Churches as well?

  1. The Clergy Loves Preeminence Just like Diotrephes. They want the first seat in every function.
  2. Like Diotrephes, they think too highly of themselves to even receive a Brethren. Remember how TPM pastors would not attend a wedding if it is conducted by an NON-TPM Minister. They would not even talk with NON-TPM Ministers. Their pride and arrogance have no limit.
  3. Like Diotrephes, their Major Job is Forbidding things for their Believers. And if anybody would not follow their dictates, he/she would be excommunicated.

Dear Reader,

How long will you continue to be under the spell of witchcraft that is cast upon you? Break this bondage and come out of it. Do not partake in her evil deeds.

Revelation 18:4

Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

40 Comments on “Witchcraft in TPM Churches”

  1. Having gone through all the articles throwing murmurs and gnashing, one thing is very clear. The more the darts are thrown, the more closer God takes us in this faith. Woe is this site owner and his team who has backslidden and continues extend their fall the others. Praise God for through Christ, we are not fallen. It’s the same spirit of lucifer that made Eve to fall, has sifted this group. May the Lord rebuke it.

    If you are been moved by Holy Spirit and He has guided you to throw blasphemous words against people of God, let the same Holy Spirit be a judge betwixt us.

    1. Brother Please spend some time reading your bible and if we are in error, please do contradict and correct us on the basis of the Bible .
      what we see is just an emotional outburst. Nothing more.
      Why is it that you are following the stories spun by the TPM leaders ?

      We have no fun in calling out on TPM leaders. However, when we realised that they are taking people to the pits of hell we needed to raise our voice.

      We have done our Job. now it is upto you to follow them.We are clear of our responsibility. You have the scripture with you. You have got nobody to blame anymore.

      1. Your statement is incorrect. You telling me as a TPM member shows how you are emotionally outbursting. I’m quite neutral with no bias and applying knowledge to your statements and available system. Poor chaps. Grow up.

        1. Yes Friend, Check out the comment of yours. If you were neutral, you would at least get into a position of argument based on scripture. But Namecalling and accusing malice?….no Son…It’s called emotional outburst.

    2. Brother
      Why is it that neither you nor any of the TPM diehard supporters are able to contradict us on the basis of Scripture?
      There is only one reason and that is because you do not have any chance scriptures. This site is exposing all falsity of TPM. And all that TPM can do is bringing circulars like some Fatwa of Islamic clerics. That nonsense does not work here ?

    3. You know what, you would only want to go to Zion & New Jerusalem, even if Jesus won’t be there. Understand this brother (or sister), this website, as far as i understand, is not to pin-point any person(s). It is basically pointing out the DOCTRINAL ERRORS that are being taught in the garb of true doctrines. Why else would they seek to have complete control over personal aspects of their members’ lives? Why do they want to control the information flow over the internet asking to shut down FB/WhatsApp groups, restrict sharing of messages/pictures, etc.?? Why?
      Forget everything what this website has to say – just refer to the below links where the clear signs of cults are mentioned. One is by Rev. Billy Graham as well. Primarily, they all talk about CONTROL. Have a look and then with a clear conscience, ask yourself the very same questions posed on the website and then come back here and share your experience.
      Dear brother (or sister), please understand, even God Himself says in Isaiah 1:18 to come & reason (argue, discuss). God never forces Himself on anyone. Ask and it shall be given to you; Seek and you shall find.
      God bless you.

      1) http://www.charismanews.com/culture/59096-billy-graham-answers-how-to-know-if-your-church-is-a-cult
      2) http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2016/03/24/5-signs-you-are-in-a-cult-being-called-a-church/
      3) http://www1.cbn.com/cbnteachingsheets/how-do-i-recognize-a-cult
      4) http://www.apologeticsindex.org/6908-is-your-church-free-from-cult-like-tendencies

      Be rational. Be practical. Be like the Bereans.

        1. Yes there are. But is not tpm against reading materials other than those published at the tpm press?? So would anyone even try?

  2. Completely agree, Bro Santosh. We just want the church to stop preaching unbiblical doctrines. If they insist on continuing to preach it, atleast have the humility to admit that they haven’t got every doctrine right. But instead, much like the RCC, this church continues to teach that TPM has infallible doctrines. No doctrine is negotiable in TPM. Everything is dogma.

    We substitute relationship with Christ with the relationship with the “saints”. We pray, but we aren’t sure of the answer unless we consult with the “saints” and take their answer as if they are from God. We think being a true Christian means to attend maximum number of church services, wearing white clothes on sundays, shaving our mustaches. We have lost what true holiness means and instead replaced it with legalism. This is an excellent article regarding holiness and legalism I read a few years back. Dr Michael Brown is a jewish charismatic Christian and has some excellent insights. This is an excerpt from his article.

    “Tragically, legalists—despite their best intentions—get things terribly wrong. First, they try to change a person from the outside in, whereas God deals with us from the inside out. Second, they fail to present a balanced picture of the Lord, putting too little stress on His mercy and too much emphasis on His wrath. Third, they do not point the struggling sinner (or believer) to the Lord’s supernatural empowerment, making holiness a matter of human effort alone. Finally, they add laws, standards, commandments, customs and traditions that are not found in the Word, making those things even more important than the biblical commandments themselves.”

    Does that remind you of a church we know?

    http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/38702-whats-the-difference-between-holiness-and-legalism

    1. Absolutely true Richard bro. But what to do but pray that at least some may see the light of the truth. I don’t see an end to this cult (just like JW, LDS, RC, etc.) but at least a select few will accept the truth.

      1. Ah, so you all believe Jesus Christ and pray to him? I wonder. Good to hear this. Pray and see if God allowed you all to create this site and wrestle in air.

  3. So, brother Richard – who decides what is Biblical and what is not? YOU? The admin?
    Who decides which interpretation is correct? YOU? The admin?
    Who decides which version of the Bible is correct? YOU? The admin?

    Are you suggesting that the word of God ends in the last chapter of the book of Revelation?
    Or did God continue to send his word to mankind after that?

    Yes, it is written in the Bible that nothing may be added to or removed from the word of God.
    You also have to remember the context of the writing – a time when Christians were in peril and the teachings of Christ were in danger of being altered.

    Having said that, the neither the writers of the books of the Old Testament or the New Testament could have ever imagined that thousands of years later, their works would be compiled in this manner into what we know as The Holy Bible.

    Whether the work of this site and its owners is right or not is not for any of us to judge.
    That is for God Almighty to do.

    One thing is certain – this site displays the pride of its founder and supporters.

    Yes, my friends, you have a great grasp of the scripture.
    But then so do a lot of other people.
    Does that make everyone who knows the Bible inside-out correct?

    As I mentioned earlier, knowledge and wisdom are not the same thing.

    You seem to have a lot of knowledge. I’ll grant you that.

    Knowledge is the tool and wisdom is the craft in using the tool.

    I personally know a few people similar to you, who at the time said they were standing up against the injustices and erroneous doctrines of TPM.

    I also know that all of them regretted it later on.

    Since you used Billy Graham’s words to suggest that TPM is a cult, I would like to address what he said:

    He said
    First, what do they believe about the Bible? Is it alone the Word of God (as Christians affirm)—or do they add to it, or claim they alone have translated it correctly?
    TPM preachers do not add anything to the Bible. Do they?
    They interpret what is written and preach the same.
    Now, given the absence of a firm written doctrine, with thousands of workers all over the world preaching, if it was not led by the Spirit of God, surely there would be inconsistencies everywhere.
    (I am sure that the admin or you are now going to give me a few examples of some.
    As I’ve said before, until and unless I hear it first hand, I cannot trust any claims.

    Surely, a one pastor listening to another preaching would object to the message if he didn’t agree with it.
    Surely, TPM would have its own formal school for training all of their workers.
    Given that they teach the basics and then let the Holy Spirit lead their workers speaks some volumes about the guidance they work with.

    It would be a conspiracy of epic proportions whereby thousands of ministers over 90+ years have managed to fool millions of people and only a small handful such as you have been able to see beyond the “falsehood”.

    It is un-Christian to think that the rest of us are blind fools and cannot understand what we are told and have no courage to question anything.

    Please, give us a break. We are not all stupid.

    Second, what do they believe about Jesus? Is He alone the divine Son of God, sent from heaven to save us from our sins? Or do they deny this, or claim we must work to save ourselves?

    Does TPM claim that only they can save a person?
    Does TPM not preach that Jesus Christ is the truth, the way and the life?
    Do you agree that while Christ came to the world to save us, we must individually work on our on salvation by living according to his word?

    Third, what do they believe about other Christians? Do they claim that they, and they alone, have the truth—or do they rejoice that God is also at work elsewhere?

    If TPM’s leadership felt that ONLY they have the truth, would they then allow believers to conduct and run fellowships in places where ministers cannot be posted?
    Would they allow non-celibate, married, privately employed believers to conduct fellowships?
    No they would not.
    In the interest of ensuring that the people of God have adequate fellowship, they have in times past accepted people gathering together to pray and worship.
    They have only involved themselves so far as to appoint a consensus leader to lead them.

    They don’t send these leaders to training camps or books of doctrine to learn what to preach.

    They only pray for them to receive divine guidance to do so.

    This has happened in many many places around the world.

    TPM ministers also stay away from places where other non-TPM servants of God are working or preaching.
    By being present, it is one way of acknowledging what is said or preached.
    If you don’t agree with them, stay away from it.
    This is not a rejection of them personally, but just a rejection of their doctrine.
    Which is similar to what you are doing here – rejecting the doctrine as preached by TPM.

    Then ask Him to lead you to a church where the Bible is preached and taught, and you can grow closer to Christ. Let the Psalmist’s prayer become yours: “Strengthen me according to your word” (Psalm 119:28).

    This is a lovely statement by Dr Graham – one that was echoed by several TPM chief pastors. If you feel that the church you attend is not the one for you, ask for guidance to lead you to the right place.

    Your anger seems to emanate from the lack of recognition of your knowledge.
    You consider yourself greater in knowledge than them and want to be recognised as such.

    You think you know so much that you have taken it upon yourself to “cleanse” TPM.

    TPM is not YOURS to cleanse.
    It was founded in the Spirit of God, led by the Spirit of God and the Holy Spirit alone will decide whether it needs cleansing and when/how to do it.

    This site is nothing but an exhibition of your pride.

    As for the circulars issued by the chief pastor regarding the use of the internet, I would like to make a few observations:
    1. He hasn’t said “Don’t use the internet.”
    He has merely asked that people refrain from uploading or sharing any of the church’s content on the internet.

    2. Time and again, since the advent of the internet, our chief pastors have stayed away from using this technology.
    There are several reasons that I have surmised for this:
    – The internet is primarily filled with filth.
    – The filth on the internet has a way of finding its way into our lives even if we try very hard not to look for it. Think about how many times you have been on a harmless looking website and you got hit by an ad for something that is un-Christian. Allowing the use of the internet within the church, creates an opening for sin to enter into the minds of the workers.
    – Believers are free to use it for practical purposes, which most of us do – e-mail, communications, research, etc. But it is a less known fact that practices like pornography are the biggest secret sins in the lives of most believers.
    – Social media is a platform for pride, narcissism, covetousness and adultery.
    Sharing selfies, looking at the pictures of others and showing off wealth and affluence are ways of spreading one’s own sinful thoughts and inciting sin in the minds of others.

    3. There are centres where email is used in a controlled manner in order to share information.
    I believe that in most cases, this is done in a very careful manner to ensure that the internet remains a tool in our hand and not the other way around.

    4. The internet has led to a new form of addiction. The future of addiction is digital.

    5. Sharing of pictures of TPM workers is forbidden because it creates inadvertent voyeurism and exhibitionism.
    I hope you will all agree that these two things are un-Christian.

    The above are my personal observations.

    The first sin of man was disobedience – which resulted in him being put out of the garden.
    One of the founding principles of TPM was obedience to the Holy Spirit and its guidance.
    I hope that is not something you are against.

    Like I have said before, if you believe this is not in line with your own interpretations, then let the Spirit guide you.

    Throwing unsubstantiated accusations, luring testimonies of fallen people and inciting discord among others fly completely in the face of the Christian character that you claim to espouse.

    I think Christ would have wanted you to pray for those you believe to be on the wrong path.

    Did you pray for TPM and its workers yesterday?

    Please don’t bother asking me to justify any of the above with verses from the Bible.
    I don’t have anywhere near your knowledge.

    But I know that God has given me enough knowledge and understanding to know right from wrong.

    1. Dear Vik Gant,
      I was wondering all these days why you were opposing to all the biblical references we had posted here and still blindly following TPM. Now I have understood it completely.
      You have just proved that You are a CULT Member who thinks that Bible is granted the status of a minor reference manual but the cult leader’s word and interpretation overrides the plain simple words.

      I have noted a trick TPM Makes on its believers on overriding biblical meanings. You know they have published a series of “DEEPER TRUTHS” books which goes all the way in negating SIMPLE TRUTHS. That is how a cult functions.

      Anyway as the post is for Richard, I know he can respond better and I WILL LET HIM DO THAT.

      1. So pity of this cheap and demonic group. It’s similar to the spirit of lucifer. Go ahead with your venoms. These contradiction of this site clearly showcases NEW AGE MOVEMENT. I’m sure very soon this admin and team will accept Osho and Sadhuguru and many such new age avatars.

        1. Well, as far as I know we have so many Oshos and Sadgurus in so many places in India under the Garb of a Christian Pentecostal Group called “The Pentecostal Mission”. Do you want us to start a series on that? I think we will as we have some materials to prove it.

    2. Vik, Is that a trick question? If the doctrine is found in the bible, it is biblical. If it isn’t, it’s unbiblical. Now regarding interpretation. Prophecies need interpretation, ecclesial letters do not. Since the disagreement here is on NT doctrine found in the letters of the NT, I don’t see where any interpretation is involved. The books of the NT were written in the common tongue and it was MEANT for lay people to plainly understand it. Of course people of our time (church leaders especially) need to learn the biblical languages (which TPM ministers do not) to better understand the nuances of the original writers. But TPM religiously follows the KJV but has no clue as to the history of the KJV or even the sources of the manuscripts used for the translation. Any word for word translation would be a good translation (that is obvious, since the biases of the translators are kept to a minimum).

      Divine REVELATION specific for the church age ends with the last chapter of the bible. There is no new revelation since the PROMISE that the Holy Spirit will lead the disciples to ALL TRUTH (ALL TRUTH necessary for a Christian for faith and practice) (John 16:13) was made by Jesus and we have to take him at his word. For 21st century Christians to claim that they have a new found doctrine that wasn’t in existence for 2000 years is akin to calling Jesus a liar (coz that would imply the Holy Spirit did not lead the early apostles to all truth).

      The whole bible is divinely inspired (theopneustos). Since the Holy Spirit who is all knowing is the author, I fail to see the context you are specifying. God wasn’t afraid of his writings being altered. The word of God is infallible and inerrant.

      It doesn’t matter what the authors knew or didn’t know. It was the Holy Spirit who was actively inspiring (theopneustos) the writers. And FYI, Peter knew Paul’s writings and Luke’s writings were scripture. (2 Peter 3:16, 1 Tim 5:18). The apostles knew the authority they had received from Christ.

      They do indeed add to the words of the bible. I’ll take the doctrine of New Earth and New Heaven as an example. The bible merely mentions a “New Heaven” and a “New Earth” (Rev 21:1). But TPM says the “saved go to new earth” and the “OT saints go to new heaven”. And they preach it as infallible dogma. Yet, there is NOT ONE verse that even suggests such a doctrine. So no, they aren’t interpreting anything here but blatantly ADDING to the word of God.

      Regarding your responses to Billy Graham’s article.
      1. Regarding inconsistencies, there are inconsistencies. One pastor preached saying that Daniel in the bible did not commit a SINGLE SIN in his entire life and was sinless JUST LIKE JESUS. Another preached that the “little ones” mentioned by Jesus (that he said we must help) actually refers to TPM ministers. One pastor would preach against believers keeping pets in their home while another would have no problem with it. You only need to listen to the various ministers to find the inconsistencies in their teachings. BTW they do have written doctrines. They’ve written a book on each of those doctrines. Since those who step down for ministry would have read most of those books and regularly read them, it’s not surprising that there are not many more inconsistencies. They know contradicting those doctrines are a no-no, so why would they?

      Here’s the thing. It depends on our presuppositions. Where does one start? Anyone who starts with SCRIPTURE as their starting point will have no problem in seeing the false doctrines of TPM. But for every TPM believer, TPM is the starting point. Since we are required to believe that God has given special revelations to TPM ministers (which no other church has got), then it is very easy to see why no one would question it. Since questioning it would amount to shaking the very foundation they are standing on. If God has indeed given special revelations to TPM ministers alone, then I’m the one who is fooling myself. If God hasn’t and if every revelation that TPM calls “special” was actually sourced from Pastor Alwyn then they are fooling the believers (though not intentionally. I believe most TPM ministers are very sincere in what they do). So we have to decide, do we take the apostolic writings that is God-breathed and make that our foundation for what we believe or do we say TPM ministers’ words are the foundation since they’ve received special revelation.

      2. No, TPM doesn’t say they can save a person explicitly.
      TPM’s beliefs concerning Jesus is orthodox, so I have no problem with that.
      Salvation is 100% God’s effort and 0% man’s effort. All we do is BELIEVE (and no, believing is not a work). What does Eph 2 say? Salvation is 100% God and not by any man’s works.
      “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God– not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Eph 2:8,9)

      3. I think you missed the point the article was making. The question must be read as “What does TPM believe about other Christians? Do they claim that they, and they alone, have the truth—or do they rejoice that God is also at work elsewhere?”
      The question isn’t what TPM leaders think of TPM believers. What you’ve said is that TPM ministers have no problem allowing TPM believers in conducting services where TPM ministers can’t reach. That wasn’t the point the article was trying to make.
      What does TPM think of CFC believers, IPC believers, AG believers, non-denominational believers etc? When you answer that, you’ll know what is wrong with TPM. TPM believe they alone have received these DEEP TRUTHS without which one cannot be the bride of Christ. In essence, since the body of Christ (made up of EVERY TRULY SAVED BELIEVER irrespective of the denomination) is the bride of Christ, TPM has severed itself from the rest of the body thinking they alone are the body of Christ. They do not rejoice that God is at work in a non-denominational Church. They wish they could convert those in non-denominational church and bring them to the “REAL CHURCH” aka TPM.

      4. Then ask Him to lead you to a church where the Bible is preached and taught, and you can grow closer to Christ. Let the Psalmist’s prayer become yours: “Strengthen me according to your word” (Psalm 119:28)
      To reiterate, TPM doesn’t hold scripture as its highest authority but holds the revelations received by TPM as the highest authority. While I have heard TPM ministers say something along the lines of “God will lead you to a church that fits you”, what they mean when they say that is this “We are the highest level of Church there is. If your heart does not aspire to reach TPM-level of purity, God will lead you to a lesser church” which reeks of spiritual pride. So no, when Billy Graham suggests we go to a Church where the Bible is preached and taught, he isn’t talking about TPM where much of the doctrines taught (well, the ones that is focussed on any way) are unbiblical.

      You said “TPM is not YOURS to cleanse.
      It was founded in the Spirit of God, led by the Spirit of God and the Holy Spirit alone will decide whether it needs cleansing and when/how to do it.”
      God who HATES division did not intend TPM to become this way. TPM has become a prime example of how extreme legalism and elitism will destroy a church. God is interested in building his church which he began 2000 years ago and he has been building it ever since. It is the responsibility of EVERY TPM BELIEVER to point out the false doctrine preached since every believer is to hold the word of God as his highest authority. And those saved in TPM churches are saved NOT BECAUSE of TPM but IN SPITE of being in TPM.

      You have another presupposition that is faulty. You assume, just because the founder of a denomination was an exemplary Christian, the church he founded and the doctrines preached in that church will continue to be exemplary even 90 years after its inception. History has given us an excellent case study, The Roman Catholic Church. Either Peter or Paul planted the church in Rome. Both exemplary Christians I must say. But as you read Church history you will find that as the years went by they replaced the authority of scripture with the authority of the Roman bishop. They began letting in extra biblical revelations and for another 1500 years they continued to do so and they still do. What happened to the “founded by the holy Spirit, led by the Spirit of God” with the Church in Rome? If only leaders and believers back then went back to SCRIPTURE! That is what the reformation was about. A cry to go back to scripture as the highest authority for faith and practice.

      While I agree sometimes I’m sometimes led by pride, I try not to be. Most of the concerns that I’ve raised is because of the damage I’ve seen caused by unbiblical teachings and a longing for TPM to go back to scriptures and stick to it.

      Regarding the circular,

      1. It is typical mind control. They are actually suggesting sharing TPM info online is similar to people gazing at Mt Sinai and that people would die because of it. They don’t get to police how we use the internet. When EVEN THE VERY WORDS OF GOD, THE BIBLE is uploaded on the internet for all the world to see, to suggest that uploading TPM material is somehow wrong because of the “holy atmosphere” of TPM meetings? Give me a break. TPM meetings aren’t holier than scripture.
      2. That arises out of TPM trying to keep believers as infants. Internet is filled with filth? Well, guess what? So is the world. The answer to navigating this filthy world isn’t avoiding the world altogether and staying in a bomb shelter or the himalayas. It is teaching believers through the word on how to navigate it. If “internet is filthy” is the reason TPM doesn’t internet as the tool, I would have expected TPM to ban internet altogether for believers. Do they not care that believers will fall into sin while they check their emails and gradually navigate to a porn site? This reason for ministers not using the internet seems disingenuous and lacking. Of course pride/covetousness/adultery are sins and again, believers should be taught to use EVERYTHING FOR THE GLORY OF GOD.
      3. So why can’t they use the same tool in a controlled manner to spread the gospel and put their doctrines out in the open for people to see? People are anyway using the internet with or without TPM. Again, I find the reasons given by TPM utterly inconsistent.
      4. Yes, and so is food. Do we then stop eating altogether? To some reading is addictive, will TPM stop publishing books? To some music is addictive, will TPM stop recording music? I really don’t understand your thought process here.
      5. You mean unlike the exhibitionism that happens every year at the convention processions? Also, all of the pictures shared on the internet are funeral pics and believe me only a sick individual will look at it for voyeurism.

      Yes obedience to the Holy Spirit. But in TPM one wouldn’t know what the Holy Spirit is saying unless one consults with a TPM minister. Do I take this job? Do I travel abroad for further studies? Do I pursue this path? I think we have substituted the Holy Spirit with TPM minister and equated disobeying them with disobeying the Holy Spirit. Did I pray for TPM and its workers yesterday? Well, not yesterday but I have prayed for them in the past.

      You said “Please don’t bother asking me to justify any of the above with verses from the Bible.
      I don’t have anywhere near your knowledge. But I know that God has given me enough knowledge and understanding to know right from wrong.”
      I implore you to reconsider your foundation. If God’s word (the inerrant, infallible, God breathed word that the Psalmist says is the light to his path) is your foundation you must NOT rest until you are sure what you believe today is what the apostles in the 1st century believed and the ONLY way for you to know that is by using their writings. Where you are now is a place where everything is subjective. Every Roman Catholic I’ve spoken to believes in his heart 100% that he is right and that his church is the foundation of truth. He too believes that on account of consuming the Eucharist, he knows what is right from wrong. It isn’t “feeling” that we must depend on. Feelings betray us most of the times. It is God’s infallible word that we must depend on for truth. God bless you.

      PS: CAPS are for emphasis only. I’m not screaming 🙂

    3. Vik, Vik, Vik! What a mind-blowing response. I’m amazed. As admin commented, you just proved how reasonably you think. Wow!

      You ask who decides what is biblical. Has not God already decided what is biblical and what is not in His Word, the Holy Bible? Which version is correct, you ask yourself.
      Each one is free to read from the version he/she best understands. Children as young as 4 years old, when they hear, “He shall not suffer thy foot to be moved”, ask, what does suffering have to do in this verse? Yea, we as adults are there to guide them, but there are a plenty who don’t have one. Anyway, that is at user discretion.

      But when it comes to interpreting a word, it has to be as per the original Greek/Hebrew. Not according to our whims & fancies.

      Yes, the writers didn’t know that their words would be compiled into a single book of scripture as we have it today but OT was already in place during the time of Jesus when He went into the synagogue and read from Isaiah. And as brother Richard showed, both Paul and Peter acknowledged each other’s letters as inspired scriptures. John was asked to seal the words of prophecy and to warn not to add/remove from it.

      One sample interpretation. Luke 10:30 – In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers.
      So tpm ministers preach, this man was attacked because he went down in his spiritual life as he left Jerusalem to go to Jericho!! Seriously? What is the gist of this parable of the Good Samaritan? Is it to dwell upon why the man was attacked or who tended to the man? There are many more such instances where a particular word is picked and a whole doctrine or interpretation is created out of it. Certainly, tpm has some very creative minds at work!

      Well, if you go by “Sola Scriptura”, you will not go for any new revelations or new interpretations as Paul has warned in Gal 1:8 to reject any newer revelations apart from what has already been given and sealed.

      Completely agree with what you said, “Knowledge is the tool and wisdom is the craft in using the tool.” You don’t seem to be using this skill wisely as well.

      Now tpm is good at cherry picking has been equally proved by you. In all of the links that I shared about the signs of a cult, you chose to pick the one which had the lowest and most open-ended points and chose to ignore what the main idea of the post was. I would say, out of 10 even if 5 points are there which would confirm cultic behaviour, you need to be careful.

      You say there are no inconsistencies in the doctrines in tpm across the world? You’re absolutely right. But if you say there is not training for workers, you are wrong. What is the 2 year training in irimbiliyur? (How would you know sitting somewhere in the middle east?) What is the constant messages they hear before they start leading a local faith home? Stop being so ignorant! And you say pastors would object? Really? In tpm, younger workers boast in saying that they never open their mouth against their seniors even if they ask for something wrong to be done because they know that in the end it will turn out for good. That is the level of obedience they have and they boast and you say they would object!
      There need not be any conspiracy brother (or sister?).

      —————————————-

      Let’s just do a few checks to see if TPM qualifies to be a cult? This is from here: http://www.letusreason.org/cults.htm
      Before you start accusing, let me be clear, I have modified the questions so that they’re “in context” to tpm.

      1. Are you told not to question what is being taught because the leaders are honest and want the best for you so you must trust them?
      YES.
      2. Are you told not to ask questions why anyone left, you’re to accept the answers the leaders give you such as: they fell into sin, they didn’t receive correction, they weren’t open or they had a bad heart and didn’t want to be disciples.
      Oh Yes! In slightly different words though.
      3. Are they putting down other churches and building themselves up?
      All the time.
      4. Do they call those who leave, fall-aways and enemies, dogs returning to their own vomit?
      Yes they do.
      5. Do they stop you from reading anything negative about themselves?
      Yes.
      6. Do they recommend for you to be around their people expecting you to be at all the group activities?
      Yes.

      These are just a few “cherry-picked” points.

      ——————————————–
      You said:
      If TPM’s leadership felt that ONLY they have the truth, would they then allow believers to conduct and run fellowships in places where ministers cannot be posted?
      —-
      Yes they allow, but why? Because they’re already indoctrinated with tpm doctrines. Be a part of an area prayer and you will come to know how much they’re in awe of the tpm workers.

      You said:
      TPM ministers also stay away from places where other non-TPM servants of God are working or preaching.
      By being present, it is one way of acknowledging what is said or preached.
      —-
      No, that is not why they stay away. They stay away because they have to either share the limelight or they don’t get the limelight at all!

      You said:
      Throwing unsubstantiated accusations, luring testimonies of fallen people and inciting discord among others
      —-
      Unsubstantiated accusations: Not one of them. We’re in this, if not longer than you, at least the same time as you are. We know what is being taught. So, false allegation.

      Luring testimonies of fallen people: Now, who decides they’re fallen? Tpm workers? Because they left tpm? Well, Lucifer is referred to as the fallen angel because he was thrown out of the presence of God. Why would you call those who left tpm as fallen? What is your intention here brother (or sister?). Sorry, I have to put that in brackets as I’ve no clue of your gender. Please don’t be offended with that. Vik Gant is definitely not your real name.

      Well, I don’t want to prolong this response. Richard brother has already given a splendid response.

      A sincere plea, don’t go for newer revelations other than what is already revealed in the Bible. The Holy Spirit is capable enough to guide you into all truth. Read your scriptures with an open heart and test all that is being taught.

      May God bless you.

      (P.S. Unlike others, I’ve got no intention to cleanse tpm. It’s not in my control. But even if one of them comes to know the truth of the corrupt doctrines and comes out of it, it would be enough.)

      One of my fears while commenting was – after sharing all these things, will not those who were relying on tpm lose their footing, their very foundation? But then I realized, yes, they would and then will they come to know that there is no other sure foundation than the Lord Himself. He will not “suffer” my foot to be moved. 🙂

  4. What deeper revelations does tpm have, when they cant understand John 3 3. It does not refer to water baptism,and the in filling of the Holy spirit.

    Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. All
    saved people will enter the kingdom of god.

  5. A bunch of backsliders (admin and his team) who twists the truth. Jesus’s says to be away with such people.
    The one who is 78 years old here is a fallen man and still with hardened heart. May God forgive.

    1. Thanks for exposing your standard. And BTW, if we are backsliders and Fallen, why do you keep browsing our site and promptly keep giving comments under the pretext of Admin’s Admin? Is not it time to stop your hypocrisy? This site is for the thousands of open-minded TPM folks who browse it and understand it. As far as we know, few of them have already had enough of TPM and have even left it. Go and tell to your pastors that God is blessing this ministry abundantly and we have been successful in liberating the captives, solely by the Word of God.

    2. 2 Cor 11:14 – “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light”.

      Brother (or sister?) – I will accept that I’ve back-slided if you can come up with Scriptural backing for your allegations. It is true that the Lord has asked us to stay away from the evil ones, but you’ve just made an open-ended statement. Where is the proof?
      Please please please, prove from the Word and I will accept.

  6. I think this guy was removed from TPM ministry, so wasting time here by bloging unwanted things about the tpm saints, because it is written REV 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    So admin brother better grow up and dont waste your time:)

    May God bless you and save you…

    1. Finally, somebody from TPM who could come up with a scripture portion even though irrelevant to the topic.
      Do you have any substance to prove against what we have said? If so present it here. Don’t spend your time in shooting the messenger. Read the Message. It’s hard hitting in your face.

  7. All of you speak with the ‘knowledge’ (by knowledge I mean “the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge” – 1 Tim 6:20 ). We are called to be in the ‘yoke’ of God. The freedom is in spirit. Nothing you say is based on the Scripture. These are theories made by men. We have a firm foundation in Christ. The verses you say has no relation to what you mean. This is just another of Satan’s device, before you confront God’s judgement, repent. We are taught to ” guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge.” We have nothing to lose when you make false allegations only you have your soul to lose.

      1. You use verses out of context.

        Go read the Bible carefully.”May all who hate Zion be turned back in shame.” Ps 129:5 . You don’t fear God.

        “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”(2 Thess 2:15) also Paul appreciates for keeping the traditions “Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.”(1 Cor 11:2). We obey the servants of God, because the Bible tells us to do so, we cannot do anything with your jealousy.

        Do you know the one who accuses?
        “Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him.” (Zech 3:1)

        It is Satan who accuses.

        Do you know the end of the accuser?

        “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” (Rev 12:10 )

        1. Haha..Brother, this is not accusing. This is a FACT.
          How did psalm 129:5 get into the topic? Oh, these TPM Saints claim to be Zion?
          If claims are all that is required, I will give you many references of people who claimed to be God and Jesus.


          Brother One piece of advice. Read the Bible for what it says. But before you start reading just remove the TPM Lens.
          and don’t just believe all that they say. Just be a Berean Acts 17:11

        2. //“Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”(2 Thess 2:15), “Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.”(1 Cor 11:2). //

          Paul is writing to the Thessalonians telling them to keep the traditions (tradition means that which is passed down, i.e doctrines and practices) taught personally by Paul or by an epistle. Don’t read your assumptions into the text. Don’t assume Paul is talking about 21st century TPM ministers. He’s asking them to keep what PAUL himself taught them, not someone else. For Paul himself said, not to believe even if an angel comes down and preaches a different gospel.

          //Go read the Bible carefully.”May all who hate Zion be turned back in shame.” Ps 129:5 . You don’t fear God.//

          You are again reading into the text. Nowhere do we find TPM’s understanding of Zion in the New Testament. Jerusalem and Zion and interchangeable and refers to God’s Church (Heb 12:22), not some special class to people as taught by TPM.

        3. You might not have been TPM believers, everything is affirmed through the Word here, nothing is being taught like ‘it is supposed to be so and it is so’, everything is based on the Bible. You can really pray to the Lord, ask Him whether what you do is right. You can have nobody greater to consult. Now on, I’ll not reply because you take everything in a debating spirit.

          Baruch HaShem!

        4. Enjoy Your Dreaming. Then why are you in panic and not able to answer some very simple questions?

          What’s Wrong with Debating? Cowards will flee from debate. Read Acts 18:28

        5. Nathaniel, Just as a Roman Catholic would say he/she believes is also found in the bible? RCC justifies the “intercession of Mary” by using the marriage of Cana as a parallel. RCC says just as the people at the wedding asked Mary when there was no wine, we too must ask Mary and then Mary will ask Jesus on our behalf. See? Anyone can make anything sound “biblical”.

  8. Pastor Paul formed a fellowship, Pastor Alwin turned it into a cult,with his personal revelations, and control, of sincere people who were totally ignorant of the scriptures.
    Alwin controlled the church though senior Pastors who themselves were under the spell (bewitched ) by Alwinism.
    Alwin had a moustache, but he forced others to shave their
    moustaches. The cowards and yes men never questioned him.
    Alwin was a control freak. My father had no teeth, and Alwin,
    told him that he can’t have dentures. Alwins righthand man in India, AC Thomas, pulled out most of his teeth, and had a full set of dentures. This was after Alwin was kicked out of tpm. Former chief pastor Jacob Ramalingam, was no permitted by Alwin to to wear his glass eye. Alwin certainly was a control freak!Certainly was the chief wizard of tpm.Sincere people consulted him regards, their marriage, professions, and education.

  9. Do we ought to kneel before the saints? or was it a middle-eastern custom 2000 years ago?

    We need to be careful about who we submit ourselves to in order to avoid the delusional ministries at work today.

    Witchcraft control is established through submission and authority.
    Every time a leader tells the congregation to do things, and to follow them in different ways, they are drawing people to deeper levels of submission. This gives them a measure of authority in their life that allows them to then pray (prey) over their hearts and minds.
    It’s manipulative and supernatural as it will unleash seducing spirits on the people

    1 Tim. 4:1-2 because they are operating in hypocrisy. This witchcraft trick heaps up zombie-like mind-controlled congregants which will faithfully tithe and build their pyramid scheme of a ministry.

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