What is this Zion Doctrine of TPM? (Part – 2)

New Jerusalem

This is the second article of the series. To read the first article, click here

The Glue that holds TPM as a separate entity is their doctrine regarding eternity. Our TPM diehard supporters will tell us that this special revelation of eternity in TPM is unique for them. Sadly, they do not realize that such exclusive revelation is an alarming sign of a heretic religion. In this article, we will consider the Second Most Important place in Eternity according to TPM Doctrine.

Occupants of New Jerusalem according to TPM

New Jerusalem stands No.2 in the list of most important place in Eternity. According to TPM, the primary occupants of this place in eternity is going to be TPM Believers as they are the ones that have been following the “Apostolic Doctrine”. In reality, they attain this qualification because they are suffering the unbiblical nonsense which comes out of TPM Pulpits. They cunningly try to bring up some universality into this doctrine by telling us that it can be “any person” who follows the Apostolic Doctrines.  However, they come back to square one when we ask them where do we get this “Apostolic Doctrine” other than in TPM.

This special “Apostolic Doctrine” is none other than the deceptive scripture twists and turns they present to their unlearned believers.

……..which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.2 Peter 3:16

These TPM Theologians do not follow any hermeneutical rules. They already have a set conclusion. Now to arrive at this conclusion, they will abuse and undo any rules that will disallow their conclusion.

How they arrived at this conclusion

In order to keep their control over the TPM Believers, they had to give them the No.2 Position in Eternity. Otherwise, it is quite natural that these people will get disinterested in their teachings and drop out.

Let us discuss the key point they use for this doctrine.

According to this point, TPM Teaches that their believers are better in eternity because Abraham and the rest of the Old Testament folks are not worthy for New Jerusalem. Let us consider the verse that they bring up.

“39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. Hebrew 11:39-40

Verse 39 says that the Old Testament saints did not receive the promise.  So TPM Assumes that THEY WILL NOT RECEIVE THE PROMISE.  Does the writer of the Hebrews say so? No. The writer of Hebrews says that these people have NOT YET RECEIVED IT.

We know that Verse 40 Tells us the complete explanation.  It tells that they will attain the promise(New Jerusalem) along with us. So we should be clear that the Old Testament Saints WILL ATTAIN THE PROMISE(New Jerusalem) ALONG WITH US.

It also tells us that we have something better. But as we already know that we both are getting the same promise(New Jerusalem), the Better thing is NOT New Jerusalem-The Promise.

To know what is that Better thing, we need to read the entire Book of Hebrews. The Book is written for Hebrew(Israelite) believers who were considering to go back to the mosaic law because of the persecution they were facing. So the entire book is written to showcase this Better Way which is Through Jesus Christ when compared to the Mosaic Way.

  • Hebrews 1 – God’s Son Jesus is the Final Word. Moses’s was not the Final one.
  • Hebrews 2- Jesus is the Eternal Promise whereas Moses was just a Shadow.
  • Hebrews Chapter 3 – Jesus as a person is Better than Moses
  • Hebrews Chapter 4-  Jesus Sabbath Superior to Moses’s Sabbath
  • Hebrews 5,6,7 – Jesus Priesthood better than Aaronic Priesthood
  • Hebrews 8,9,10 – Jesus Covenant better than Moses’s Covenant

We hope the reader understood what is that BETTER THING which the Writer of Hebrews was talking about. This deception of TPM works because the TPM Believers do not read the Bible to understand it for what it is written for. They read it to confirm the twisted teaching of their denomination. People, remove the TPM Goggles from your eyes and open up your eyes of understanding.

I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened ………”  Ephesians 1:18

Confirming our Understanding/Interpretation

We know that everything has to be established by two or three witnesses.

“……..Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses”  2 Corinthians 13:1

Let us see another reference about New Jerusalem to confirm if we understood the Hebrews Passage Right. Revelation 21 gives us a vivid explanation of this place called New Jerusalem. One important characteristic of this place is the presence of 12 gates and 12 foundations.

Let us read Verse 12 “ And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Just like the New Testament Saints are represented by the 12 Apostles, the Old Testament Saints are represented by 12 Tribes. Notice the important placement of their names. It’s put up on the gates of New Jerusalem.  Let us check out the below picture of Door name-plate.

Zion Doctrine of TPM? (Part – 2)

What do we understand from this picture? To Me, it tells very clearly the resident status of Mr Daniel C Oldjeans. God is clearly mentioning the eternal resident status of different people in Revelation 21. Clearly, Old Testament Saints will be residents of New Jerusalem. God does not tell us foolish things. And Far from it, that God will tell a lie.

Numbers 23:19  “God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?”

Hebrews 11:8-10By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.”.

Though TPM Infers that God Deceived Abraham, Do not believe their lies. They are impinging on the integrity of God. And Do we need to tell who impinges on the Integrity of God? This TPM Doctrine which shows God in a Bad Light is From the Pit of Hell. Do not believe it if you are on God’s Side.

35 Comments on “What is this Zion Doctrine of TPM? (Part – 2)”

  1. To admin,
    Holy Bible – We are in the 21 century, the holy bible has been thoroughly researched, studied, interpreted, translated into numerous languages, disputes had been reduced tremendously by many theologians, analysts, Pastors, spiritual leaders, professors, philosophers, many well known universities throughout the world. There are numerous teachings and instructions in the Holy Bible forms the Doctrine.
    What is Doctrine – Teachings and instructions derived from the Holy Bible? Only rebellious and stiff necked and debased mind people will continuously dispute on the doctrine! The spirit of Anger is the spirit of Murder, your own anger and selfish desire has blinded your own Mind. What are your hidden agenda and who gave you the authority to criticize the teachings and instructions (Doctrine) at TPM churches.
    So far from all the articles, comments and replies indicate that you have some form of revenge, hatred, evil and wicked thoughts. Reform of a church in one’s mind must be done peaceably and prayerfully, Choose the paths directed by God Almighty. Discard your self will and arrogance. What is the difference between you and the contradictory Muslim preacher Zakir Naik in India? If you have better idea please by all means start your own.
    Some verses for you and your group.
    Revelations chapter 21:27 – “And there shall in no wise enter into it anything that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: But they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

    Revelation Chapter 22: 14 & 15
    14. “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city”
    15. “ For without are Dogs, and Sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie”

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    1. Brother,
      Your case is beyond repair. The verse you quoted needs to be told to your “So-called Saints”
      We have given enough proofs in this site for any idiot to know who is that defileth, worketh abomination, and maketh a lie. Do not expect Elijah to be friends with Prophets of Baal. You have a choice to choose. The day of reckoning is coming soon where you would not be able to change sides. Then you will know by what authority are we coming against this evil doctrine of TPM.
      God Bless you

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    2. Bro Arul

      You are probably one of the few people who has commented here who has arrived at what I consider to be the right conclusion – the motives behind this site.

      I’ve been silent for a little while now but felt it’s nice to stir the pot once in a while.

      Your message inspired me to do so.

      I am now of the opinion that the articles on this site are not written by the guys who are administering the site.

      The articles are written by someone who was either a former TPM minister or is currently a TPM minister.

      The admin and his friends are merely pawns in a game of chess.

      There is definitely a Satanic force behind this.

      As you rightly pointed out, the words on this site are laced with anger, selfish desire, self will and arrogance.

      I must say that the one thing that I definitely agree with the admin is that TPM believers do not read the Bible enough.

      If we did, we could easily refute the rubbish here.

      But fear not!

      The Lord God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac will fight this battle too – just like he has always done.

      1. Bro Vik Gant,
        You said, “The articles are written by someone who was either a former TPM minister or is currently a TPM minister.”
        That means you 100% agreeing with the contents of each and every article published in this site. These are the people who have a very thorough knowledge of TPM doctrines. So indirectly you have accepted the good work being carried out the people working for this site.

        I sincerely appreciate your boldness. Any way please come up with more TPM revelations so that people like can understand something.
        May GOD bless you.

    3. Next time you hear someone quote from Revelation and say that they are Zion bound- please ask them from which tribe (of Israel) they are from?

  2. Dear Admin
    Time and again you are distorting the scriptures for your convenience to prove your point.
    Because you don’t understand the basics, you have a wrong opinion about the doctrines.
    See how you distort the scripture:
    HEB 11:39 -And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NOT the promise:
    For your understanding, the writer to the Hebrews very clearly tells them the heroes of faith DID NOT RECEIVE . (period)(this is past tense) – There is no continuation for that
    Heb11:44 God HAVING provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
    It is not written God provided for us
    rather
    God having provided some better thing for US (which excludes them) – never it is mentioned that they will receive this better thing
    HAVING PROVIDED – which means we also have not received it – but are going to receive what is provided
    As you painstakingly explain that this BETTER THING is promise – it is your fanciful imagination
    Anyone can compare this to anything . But as the self same chapter tells it could only be the CITY.

    John 3:5 – Very Clearly tells that NO ONE can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of the water and the Holy Spirit.
    As far as I know Abraham, Moses, Elijah , David had not been baptized in water or by the Holy Spirit (They had the Spirit of God moving in them but that was not called anointing of the Holy Spirit – if that had been the cases, Jesus would never have said, If I do not go, the Comforter would not come).
    So none of the Old Testament saints have worthiness to enter New Jerusalem. Because the standard of their lives was just an ordinary life though each of them were made perfect in one or more divine natures.
    According to the words of Jesus only the NT Believers (whichever Church is not our argument) ever have the qualifications to enter New Jerusalem.
    The Names of the twelve tribes of Israel written on the twelve gates signify that they have access only upto the gates – not beyond that though they can come in bring their glory and honour – Rev 21:26

    Rev 7:15 – Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
    Here we read about a people who serve Him in the TEMPLE.

    Rev 21:22 – And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
    These two verses very clearly tell that people are going to be in DIFFERENT PLACES in eternity and not in the same place.

    Even John the Baptist would be considered LEAST before a person who is the smallest person in New Jerusalem – this speaks of the difference in the quality of the life a NT believer has to attain in his/her life.
    The BIBLE is very clear about the qualifications of those who want to go to New Jerusalem.

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    1. Brother,
      You are a specimen of TPM Brainwashed zombie. Let me discuss each point pointed out by you.

      Point 1


      You Said:
      As you painstakingly explain that this BETTER THING is promise – it is your fanciful imagination
      Anyone can compare this to anything . But as the self same chapter tells it could only be the CITY.


      Our Answer
      You are coming to this conclusion because you have not read the Book of Hebrews independently. Please read it independently and you will know what is that BETTER THING. If you do not believe us, just go to google and type in the search bar “what is better things provided in Hebrews” and you will get a list of better things provided by many writers. Give me from the list even ONE Writer agreeing to your TPM interpretation.

      Your assumption even defies plain common sense. Can you even come close to the faith exhibited by the people mentioned in the chapter? Try doing even ONE thing which they did. So what was their mistake? that they were born before Christ’s Birth? Give me a break Son. Your corrupt doctrine is impinging on the Character of God. Do you even believe that God is NOT Partial? Because partiality is a hallmark of TPM, you cannot fathom a God who is impartial.
      God is faithful in his promises. God Promised Abraham New Jerusalem AND he will bring it to pass, even if an whole army of TPM ministers and believers oppose it tooth and nail.


      Point 2


      You Said:
      John 3:5 – Very Clearly tells that NO ONE can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of the water and the Holy Spirit.
      As far as I know Abraham, Moses, Elijah , David had not been baptized in water or by the Holy Spirit (They had the Spirit of God moving in them but that was not called anointing of the Holy Spirit – if that had been the cases, Jesus would never have said, If I do not go, the Comforter would not come).


      Our Answer
      Brother, you are just juxtaposing a TPM Doctrine and assuming that your interpretation is right. Baptism of Water and Spirit as we see today was a thing instituted from Jesus Ministry. However, this same thing was there for the Old Testament Israelites. The Red Sea Crossing is a Shadow of Baptism of Water and The Coming of the Lord in Mount Sinai is a shadow of the Spirit Baptism. 1 Cor 10:2 “They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.”
      Are the old testament folks to be disadvantaged because of the timing of their Birth? No. God is not a God of Partiality as TPM Pastors think and Behave. In all your twisted doctrine, you assume God is PARTIAL which is a wrong point to start with. All your doctrine should assume mandatorily that God is IMPARTIAL.
      Check out the below verses
      Colossians 3:25,Deuteronomy 10:17,Acts 10:34,2 Chronicles 19:7,Acts 10:34-35,Job 25:3,Job 34:19
      Don’t Impinge on God’s Character to prove your devious doctrine.

      Paul is warning you in Romans 11:18 “do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.”

      It is wrong to think that God started off with an altogether new plan from Jesus. Not so. Read Romans 11:24. We are grafted into the already existing Natural Olive. “After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!”
      By the Anointing of the Holy Spirit, the same law which was in written format was put into our hearts. But the Key is Obedience and not the method. Are you obeying the Law or Not? By no means this proves your superiority over them. Rather it just proves that God was gracious to us Gentiles.


      Point 3


      You Said:
      So none of the Old Testament saints have worthiness to enter New Jerusalem. Because the standard of their lives was just an ordinary life though each of them were made perfect in one or more divine natures.
      According to the words of Jesus only the NT Believers (whichever Church is not our argument) ever have the qualifications to enter New Jerusalem.

      Our answers


      You are disqualifying Abraham and likes from Entering New Jerusalem. Can you tell me the qualifications to enter Jerusalem as per the Bible?
      You are telling OLD Testament Saints are not WORTHY. How is it that You have something which makes you Worthy? Repent of this Spiritual Pride. It would then be better of you.
      In case you thought Abraham was not Qualified, just read Matthew 8:11 to know Who is vouching for his qualification. It’s not your Chief Pastor..Jesus is telling it plainly. I know you guys will start fighting over terminologies to still Keep Abraham out of the Kingdom of Heaven.I tell you TPM Pastors would be Least in the Kingdom of Heaven according to Matthew 5:19


      Point 4


      You Said:
      The Names of the twelve tribes of Israel written on the twelve gates signify that they have access only upto the gates – not beyond that though they can come in bring their glory and honour – Rev 21:26

      Rev 7:15 – Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
      Here we read about a people who serve Him in the TEMPLE.

      Rev 21:22 – And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
      These two verses very clearly tell that people are going to be in DIFFERENT PLACES in eternity and not in the same place.

      Our Answer


      Friend, it’s just your wild imagination to think that the names in the gates are to keep people out. Because that is the basic principle of TPM. Keeping People Out of the Truth.
      Tell me how many names are written on your door name plate as there must be millions who will not be allowed into your home for various reasons? Do you even think a bit of the Logical fallacy you are in?
      As far as I am concerned, my door Name Plate has My Name and so is for everybody except for TPM zombies like you.

      Point 5


      You Said:
      Even John the Baptist would be considered LEAST before a person who is the smallest person in New Jerusalem – this speaks of the difference in the quality of the life a NT believer has to attain in his/her life.
      The BIBLE is very clear about the qualifications of those who want to go to New Jerusalem.

      Our Answer


      This is a classic case of how deluded can be TPM Folks. John The Baptist is somehow thrown under the bus by this TPM Interpretation. This same place we see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in Matthew 8:11. According to TPM Doctrine, John is Greater than all in OT, but seems to be lower than Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in Matthew 8:11. How do you reconcile this nonsense interpretation of TPM?

      Any Child can know what is that Jesus is talking in this context. But Dear Thomas just chooses not to understand it.
      Jesus is not speaking about eternity but the Kingdom that will be ushered as a result of Holy Spirit Indwelling. Responding to a question from the Pharisees about when the Kingdom of God would come, Jesus said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:20-21).
      True John did not have that experience in his earthly life. However, you are twisting it to remove him eternally from New Jerusalem. How Devious can you people get?

      1. You haven’t replied for this point
        Rev 7:15 – Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
        Here we read about a people who serve Him in the TEMPLE.

        Rev 21:22 – And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
        These two verses very clearly tell that people are going to be in DIFFERENT PLACES in eternity and not in the same place.

        Also in each house only one name is written at the entrance which implies only the house owner and his family are allowed inside.
        If there are 12 names written, what about the rest of the other people of all the
        ages. See your comparison’s fallacy.
        Your comparison may seem right to you but it stands no good.
        At the same time you have conveniently omitted that the names of the twelve apostles are written on the foundation stones – Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
        You are bent on proving something wrong. And I am not quoting any TPM doctrine
        I have not mentioned it as doctrine. I have quoted only from the Bible not from any TPM book.
        Where as your intention is only to slander TPM, you are now going to any extent now to spread your false ideas.
        Categorization is an absolute truth taught by Jesus as well as the apostles and what I have quoted is not the doctrine of TPM
        There is no GENERAL COMPARTMENT in heaven
        Everyone will receive rewards only ACCORDING to each man’s works.

        YOU SAID
        So what was their mistake? that they were born before Christ’s Birth?

        (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
        12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
        13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
        14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
        15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
        16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
        Read the above verses and you will know you cannot ask whose mistake it is.
        So many are shot and killed without having a chance to repent. You cannot ask whose mistake it is.

        It is GOD Who foreordains a person and you cannot question God

        1. Brother,
          You need to start with unlearning all the nonsense you were taught in TPM. And stop assuming that your TPM Doctrine is the “know all”. That will make your life less miserable.
          Coming to the point. I could have extended with more points but chose to cut short the explanation because it was already getting too long. So let me address your points
          Point 1


          You haven’t replied for this point
          Rev 7:15 – Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
          Here we read about a people who serve Him in the TEMPLE.

          Rev 21:22 – And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
          These two verses very clearly tell that people are going to be in DIFFERENT PLACES in eternity and not in the same place.

          Our Answer


          The First instance is of Revelation 7. This is a vision about the Heaven during the tribulation period. Read Verse 14 to know that. “I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb”

          But the Second Verse which you mentioned is in Rev 21. This is a scenario that happens after the tribulation period. I know that your pastors will try to blind you into thinking that all these are events happening at ONE TIME. No Dear Friend. This is a sequential setup and hence we need to understand it likewise.

          Point 2


          Also in each house only one name is written at the entrance which implies only the house owner and his family are allowed inside.
          If there are 12 names written, what about the rest of the other people of all the
          ages. See your comparison’s fallacy.
          Your comparison may seem right to you but it stands no good.
          At the same time you have conveniently omitted that the names of the twelve apostles are written on the foundation stones – Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
          You are bent on proving something wrong. And I am not quoting any TPM doctrine
          I have not mentioned it as doctrine. I have quoted only from the Bible not from any TPM book.
          Where as your intention is only to slander TPM, you are now going to any extent now to spread your false ideas.
          Categorization is an absolute truth taught by Jesus as well as the apostles and what I have quoted is not the doctrine of TPM
          There is no GENERAL COMPARTMENT in heaven
          Everyone will receive rewards only ACCORDING to each man’s works.

          Our Answer


          Dear Friend, you seem to have an ostrich issue of burying the head in the sand.
          Please read the article once more. Please read the paragraph just above the name-plate picture. We have clearly mentioned that these names are representative of Old Testament Saints just as the 12 Apostles Names are representative of the New Testament Saints. This itself proves that you are reading with a skewed viewpoint with an intention of finding fault with us…So Brother…Please read calmly and then come back. I hope you understood where you slipped. We did not forget the foundation where the 12 names of Apostles were written as you can see from the blog article. You are being taught a wrong doctrine with the premise of proving your superiority which is against the scripture in all forms.
          For me I do not care to which place I go as long as I am with Jesus. For me, If Jesus Sits in Hell, I am prepared to Go there rather than a Zion without Jesus. For TPM Ministers, the Place is Important. But for me, the Person is Important. You guys are working and teaching in a totally WRONG SPIRIT which is an Evil one. Your spirit is a usurping spirit where you have challenged the title of “Chief Pastor” for which only Jesus is worthy. You guys have the anti-christ spirit of reserving and securing your own place even if someone else lands in hell. How evil it is. Thank God Paul did not do that. Examine his Spirit in Romans 9:1-4 “I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites.”
          In Jesus Love I am requesting you to get out of that Evil Spirit of Spiritual Pride.
          I wish your TPM Ministers would have read Mark 10:40 before they came up with this evil Doctrine of ZION. Your TPM Pastors are claiming to know what Even Jesus does not know. How Heretic is that?

          Point-3


          So what was their mistake? that they were born before Christ’s Birth?

          (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
          12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
          13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
          14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
          15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
          16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
          Read the above verses and you will know you cannot ask whose mistake it is.
          So many are shot and killed without having a chance to repent. You cannot ask whose mistake it is.

          It is GOD Who foreordains a person and you cannot question God

          Our Answer


          Thanks for the last line. God Foreordains and you cannot question God.
          TPM Has absolutely no clue on this and has taken its folks for a grand ride.
          Let me ask you few questions for your own thinking and meditation rather than giving you readymade answers
          Do you even know what God Foreordained?
          Let me ask you a simple question from your favourite chapter Hebrews 11.
          Have you even read Hebrews 11:26 ? If not just read on….. “He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward.
          Please ask your pastor how did Moses suffer reproach for Christ when Christ was not yet born then? Let me know what your pastor says.

          Oh yea just ask him also this question from John 8:56 “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
          How Did Abraham See Christ’s Day and was Glad?
          What do you even understand by Revelation 13:8?

          You have not even bothered to answer few of my questions to you…Please make a small effort to answer that as well.
          1.What are the Qualifications to Enter New Jerusalem according to the Bible?
          2.How did you know that Abraham was not Worthy to Enter New Jerusalem?
          3.How Do you make yourself Worthy of New Jerusalem?

  3. Mr. Arul how can you say that this is not a path directed by God?
    2 Corinthians 4:4
    whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

    How far this is true in your case, please introspect…

  4. Mr.Thomas assume that a TPM prayer meeting is going on, leader is the Saint, few are sitting on the floor, very few on the chairs at the back.
    Now JESUS is coming … you mean
    Your SAINT in any condition will go Zion,
    People sitting on the floor (because holy spirit guidance is only for those people as per TPM) will go to new jerusalem,
    Few sitting on the chair at the extreme back will go to third grade place called new earth or new heaven.
    That means GOD IS A GOD OF PARTIALITY.
    But my GOD is impartial, he doesn’t look your external features only your internal beings.

    1. Very stupid example!

      You trivialise the issue.

      Do you think that at the time of the rapture, the Lord looks at where you are sitting, standing or lying down?

      1. I feel you don’t have any sense of understanding, scriptural, mentally and logically. I also wanted to tell the same things. But you are after your saints claiming that they will go to “Zion”, TPM brainwashers like you to “New Jerusalem” and other to other places. What is biblical clearance for all your claims?

        Who is trivial? You , me or your day time saints?

        You tell me “Do you think that at the time of the rapture, the Lord looks at TPM’s unbiblical doctrines.”

  5. The confusion about the TPM Zion doctrine is because it was the personal revelation of Alwin , who was the greatest hypocrite, and cunning wolf in sheep’s clothing. He was obsessed with sex, but was able cover it up with his diabolical teachings on Zion, and celibacy. He was talking about victorious living, but he himself was a slave to sex!!!

    I was his valet, masseur, and servant. He used to masturbate.,
    I have seen him doing it. He asked me pour water and clean it up several times in front of the Borella Faith home in Sri Lanka. I was at this time a teenager.

    In the early sixties in London, he asked me to get three dead bolts,
    which were installed in two rooms in two different Faith Homes. He told me that he wants to pray thru to victory, because the Tamil believers are creating trouble in Sri Lanka. Instead of praying, he was ‘sanctifying’ sisters. One morning I asked a sister, why she was sad, and crying. Her eyes were blood shot. That night he put her thru, hell trying to ‘sanctifying’ her. Pastor S.B Ernest told me that several sisters thought that this was normal, and were wondering why he did not “sanctify’ them.

    His revelations were never challenged by the other Pastors, except for Pastor Freddy Paul, who was banished to the USA.

    Alwin, flew around the world while innocent children in the Faith school were starving, in Sri Lanka, He beat the day lights out of us kids. I was his blue eyed boy. He never beat me, while he kicked some of my friends, for combing their hair and had a small curl. He grabbed a teenage girl by her hair and threw her to the ground, for writing a love letter to a boy.

    He brought young and beautiful sisters from India, put them in the Mattakuliya Faith home in Sri Lanka. He used to visit this faith home,
    made them confess their sins to him on the pretext of total victory.
    While confessing, he wanted details.

    I will not go further any more today. If you want more dirty stuff about him just ask. It will make you angry, and you might even throw up!!!!!

    As a teenager I had my doubts about him. I just cant imagine how AC Thomas, C John, and Thanbirajh covered up for Alwin, and controlled peoples minds. These guys were power hungry cowards.

    Alwin used to teach that the Tabernacle was a true symbol of New earth, Jerusalem and Zion. Well, friends the veil is rent and we all have access to Zion!!! Celibate or not.

    I believe , like Paul , Ye have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living god———–Heb 12:22

  6. Heb 13:7. Remember them which have the rule over you. Who have spoken unto you the word of God.whose FAITH FOLLOW. considering the end of their conversation.

    One day I came to know TPM doctrine was composed by Alwin. I didn’t believe it because according to heb 13:7 it should have been rejected considering Alwin’s end.
    I asked a tpm minister. He said’ though Alwin fell away the revelations he received were from God Therefore we should embrace it as it is from God.
    Now can anyone prove that what all we TPM have originated from Alwin? If proved then in the light of the above scripture, ‘WHOSE FAITH (beliefs) FOLLOW’ TPM doctrine (whatever alwin gave) is debatable.
    If iam wrong please correct me.

  7. Can somebody explain celibacy in bible. Apart from Paul and Barbarnabas we hardly know any celibates in bible. In recent times sadhu sunder Singh’s name comes to mind. Rest apart from these few names ( u can add few if u know),only roman catholics and tpm church follows celibacy. I am not raising any question whether tpm is right or wrong or Roman catholics are right or wrong. I am just seeking honest explanation to celibacy in bible.

    Zac poonen says bible must be seen in balanced manner. When Jesus was tempted by devil by saying it is written, Jesus answered ” it is also written”. This means if something is written about something in bible then otherthing ” it is also written” must also be considered.

    So, If bible warns against celibacy (1 Tim 4:3, or 1 Tim 3:2) then it also upholds and uplauds celibacy ( I corn 7:7, Matthew 19:12).

    Much is clear and exhaustively said against celibacy, but there is hardly any literature on celibacy. Do any of you have proper explanation or book or any expositional literature on celibacy in bible or in history of church??

    Can anybody shed light on matthew 19:12 (especially)?

  8. But…
    No where in the Bible can’t found celibacy is the one of the qualifications of apostles…!!!

    But they take these verses and misinterpreted,

    1. Celibacy is not a rule – it is a choice.

      It is a choice one makes.

      TPM requires that choice to be made.

      If you want a particular job, you must make a choice to work in those circumstances.

      In some jobs, a man is forced to be away from family and friends for long periods of time.
      Surely you take the job knowing that you will be required to do this.
      If you don’t like the idea, don’t take the job.
      If it’s forced upon you unknowingly after you take the job, you have the option of quitting.

      The same way, if you wish to function as a full time TPM minister, you must choose celibacy.

      If not, you are free to serve God in any other organization.

      Many have entered the ministry and exited as they could not keep the vow of celibacy.

      How difficult is that to understand?

      I don’t understand the obsession with celibacy.

      1. Vik, You seem to conflate the CHOICE to become an elder/pastor and the CHOICE to marry/remain single. These two are INDEPENDENT. TPM has REMOVED the choice to get married for those who wish to become elder/pastor, thus making it a mandatory (and unbiblical) rule.

        The choice must be this
        a) Remain unmarried and become an elder/pastor
        b) Get married and become an elder/pastor

        The choice TPM gives is this
        a) Remain as part of the “laity” if you get married
        b) Become part of the “clergy” if you don’t get married.

        Since we are not discussing the CHOICE of a TPM believer regarding whether he wants to continue remaining a believer or if he wants to become an elder/pastor, your argument doesn’t carry weight.

        If we are to discuss what the choices regarding marriage for a person who wants to become an elder/pastor in TPM, it is clear as daylight that that person has no choice in the matter. He is bound by the TPM rule that he has to live a life of celibacy as a compulsory rule.

        Let me repeat. We are not focussing on the choices of a TPM believer, but the choices available to a TPM believer who wishes to become an elder/pastor.

      2. bro Vik Gant you said “Celibacy in not a rule it is choice.”

        I agree celibacy is a choice. But this freedom of choice becomes rule within TPM, isnt that what you want to say? If i want full time ministerial job in TPM then i have no choice but to remain celibate, isn’t it what you are saying?

        In other words within TPM — “celibacy become rules and no longer remains a choice. Outside TPM we have full freedom of choice!” — RIGHT ????

        So can i say then – “that which God gave as a choice, TPM made it rule and compulsion” Can we conclude this ?

        Let us interpret I Timothy 4:1-3 according to this then,

        In I Tim 4:1-3, Paul says that in last days some will have doctrine of devils and they will forbid to marry. Paraphrasing Paul’s statement it can be said that Paul wants to say that in last days some doctrines of devils will make it rule and compulsory to remain celibate! Outside those doctrine following group, celibacy/marriage will be a choice, but within that group, celibacy (or no to marriage/ or forbidding of marriage) will be a rule if they want full time ministerial job in that group(they will forbid to marriage).

        This is what your statement means “Celibacy is a choice not a rule. Within tpm it is not choice but RULE – if you want a full time ministerial job.”

        1. One more thing i would like to add against the much hyped “FULL TIME MINISTER” of God. Many of us heard TPM workers boasting by saying we are “FULL TIME MINISTERS” of God. And we as a gullible naive and innocent believers think there is some speciality in being full time minister. If we look in bible 90% ministers including Jesus and 12 Apostles were full time ministers. A full time ministry means those who leave job and get their living from what people give then to eat. Jesus said “A worker is worthy of his meat (matt 10:10)”.
          So is full time ministry scriptural ? Answer is YES.

          But does it mean vocational ministry or ministry where ministers earn their own bread by doing job of any less importance compared to full time ministry?
          Paul himself did job and earned his bread (acts 18:2-4, I Corn 9:15) while preaching. And Paul says ” For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: Anyone unwilling to work should not eat(2 Thess 3:10).” Again he says “Whoever does not provide for relatives, and especially for family members, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever (I Tim 5:8)” which means if you have become full time minister it is your responsibility to provide food to your family member like your Father or Mother or wife or children from what you receive, otherwise you are worse than unbeliver… No wonder Jesus fulfilled his responsibility towards his mother (John 19:26), and rebuked Pharisees who taught to neglect men their responsibility towards their father and mother by saying whatever we ought to have given you is KORBAN (sacrificed to God – Mark 7:11). Even in Old testament (Levitic-hood ministry) God took care of family of priest including old parents and daughters, that they who serve God as full time minister must provide for food of their family from what they receive as offering (Num 18:11, Lev 22:11-13).

          So summary is
          1) Is FULL TIME MINISTRY scriptural ?
          Answer –> Yes (example Jesus and 12 apostles)
          2) Does it mean that the ministry of people who earn their meat and do ministry any less ?
          answer –> no! on the contrary Paul boasts in such ministry (I corn 9:14,15). he says it was better for me to die than to take money from believers as tithe! In other scriptures condemns misuse of full time ministry (2 Thess 3:10,11).

          So the HYPE we are “FULL TIME MINISTRY” is all fuss! Because a full time minister who does not care for his family is worse than unbeliever (I tim 5:8), (John 19:26, Mark 7:11). Such a full time ministry is condemned in bible and minister is said to be worse than unbeliever. So a Much Hyped FULL TIME TPM MINISTER is worse than unbeliever if he does not provide food to his old parents by saying I have made CORBAN (mark 7:11)!

          Conclusion: FULL time TPM ministry is not a thing to boast but to shame!

        2. Do you know why a majority of TPM Ministers die young without attaining the age of 70?
          My Personal belief is that in the zeal of showing TPM as a special ministry they abandon their aged parents. In the process, they violate the commandment of Honouring their Parents. Ephesians 6:2-3 says that clearly. Thereby they forfeit the promise of Long Life on earth.

  9. I’m a TPM believer, by the way I’m liberal 🙂 not like other so called TPMites who are intolerant to criticisms
    My take on the subject is The Bible never says anywhere that celibacy is the sole requirement for Zion.
    The requirement for dwelling in Zion is clearly mentioned in Psalms 15 and Psalms 24 – it’s as simple as it is. You don’t have to take bits and prices of verse’s from here and there to prove that only the celibate could enter Zion, not even Revelation 14

    The Bible never says whether Paul was married or not. Some think that he was at one time based on what he said in 1 Corinthians 9:5, “Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?” If Paul was married at one time, his wife likely passed away considering he never mentions her in any of his writings.

    We see almost all married apostles took their wives along with them for their missionary works, so how in the world our church could say that married person cant enter Zion. If we go by that “doctrine”, well I’m afraid that the 12 Apostles wont be in Zion;)
    Some believe that the apostle Paul was married because history tells us that a member of the Sanhedrin was required to be married. However, Paul never stated that he was a member of the Sanhedrin. He definitely seemed to be on the path, “I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers” (Galatians 1:14).

  10. I want to bring attention back to celibacy.

    Lets keep tpm out and zion out. Tpm is according to my view 100% wrong in all its exclusive doctrines ( zion, true apostleship etc).

    Zion is term used to signify dwelling place of king david and place of worship ( where david shifted Tabernacle from its earlier location of shiloh). Zion was a place of kingly rule and a place of worship. Thus zion was dual in nature of rule and worship. David ruled from there — his palace being there, and then he had a tabenacle installed there.

    David is shadow of Jesus Christ. Hence after death of david the word zion is used in bible to show place of God from where saviour Jesus would rule jerusalem and Israel and a place where people can come and worship God.

    Without understanding this, people of tpm have taken word zion literally. Zion stood for another order of priesthood, where kingly and priestly role combined. Melchizedek was both king and priest, after a different order than levitic priesthood. David ruling from zion and signifying his priestly role (c.f that he wore priests clothes and danced when tabernacle was shifted) signified him as Jesus the king and priest whose ministry was going to be after order of milchisedek and not of order of leviticis priesthood.

    If you understand all this you will see that zion is just a name for dual role of kingly and priestly duties of Jesus. It signifies a higher ministry of Jesus compared to old testament levitichood. Zion ,milchisedek are pointers pointing to Jesus. Without understanding these things, tpm have made believers to look at themselves instead of Jesus.They have brought glory to themselves instead of gloryfying Jesus (c.f. isaiah 14 where Lucifer is of same mentality of taking a seat in zion on throne in north zion, instead of Jesus – luciferic spirit always tries to replace Jesus) . Jesus is THE ONLY WAY. Nobody can take his stead.

    Zion has thus nothing to do eith celibacy. This error is because of using revelation 14 out of context and taking literal meaning of word ‘virgin’ while maintaining spiritual explanation to other terms of revelation 14, which has resulted in errorneous tpm doctrine of zion.

    Concerning isaiah 56 where God says ” i will bring eunuchs and strangers ” to my holy hill, tpm has again fooled people in corelating zion revelation 14 and isaiah 56.

    Isaiah 56 is a gospel. In old testament times God prohibited strangers (gentiles) and eunuchs from worshiping Jehovah God. Only israelites had a right to enter temple of God to worship him.(c.f deutr 23). So in isiah 56 God is preaching gospel that the outcast people ( strangers and eunuchs) will be allowed to worship God. It meant gentiles will be welcomed to be partakers with israelites. The term “stranger and eunuchs” in isaiah 56 refers to “outcast” which means people who were forbidden ( c.f Isaiah 56:8). Thus eunuch in isaiah 56 is symbolic to outcast gentiles and cursed people. It has nothing to do with celibacy. When without understanding this, you read isaiah 56 and then relate it with zion of rev 14 then you get false impression that isaiah 56 is about tpm celibates.

    So keeping aside errorneous or misleading or controveseal tpm zion doctrine, i want to ask ” does anybody have any information or expostion to celibate ministry in bible , especially with respect to exposition to matthew 19:12? “

    1. Concerning Matthew 19:12, the context of it is regarding the disciples seeing “celibacy” as an escape from marriage. So Jesus says only those who have that gift can forego marriage and that it is not for everyone. So naturally we see in the New Testament that some who spread the gospel chose to be single (Paul and Barnabas) and the MAJORITY (other apostles and Jesus’ brothers) lived a married life. In fact in every scripture that talks about appointing elders in a church, the requirement was to live a exemplary married life.

      Jesus never said one was more “holy” or “better” than the other. Paul in fact, calls both married life and celibacy a “gift” (1 Cor 7:7). It is the same chapter TPM uses to justify their compulsory mandate for celibacy of church leaders. But they miss the fact that the chapter (1 Cor 7) is addressed to ALL believers and also mentions some of it was his own opinion and not God’s command. He also gave a reason for such desire that all be single like him. It was because of the “present distress” (which could have been persecution).

      1. I agree that the context of matthew 19:12 appears “escape from marriage”, but Jesus used that context to point @ celibacy not for escape from troubles of marriage but @–” celibacy for kingdom of God” …

        So even though the discussion among Jesus and disciples was “unseen troubles of marriage” yet Jesus said his statement in context of ministry for kingdom of God.

        I think celibacy of matthew 19;12 is for those people who labour extremely evangelising world (not for bishops who lead the flock), like paul….

        Anyways thanks for your inputs.
        Thanks to admin for his pointer to website billmuehlenberg dot com

        1. One thing i forgot to add is that tpm ministers are not evanglesits but they are bishops and decons who lead flock ( a group of belivers). Hence 1 timothy 3:2 is applicable to them …. That they who lead church must marry … Matthew 19;12 if applicable to someone must be applied to evangelists and not to ministers like tpm ministers who are deacons not evangelists.

      2. Richard – I agree with you that both celibacy and marriage are gifts as the Bible says.

        The good book also says that celibacy is for those who can forego marriage.

        The book also does not specify that it is compulsory for one to me married/unmarried to be able to serve God.

        Am I correct to assume that this is a choice left to each individual?

        1. Vik, Of course. But I’ll have to reiterate what bro Nath said. It seems to be for those who get into evangelizing and travelling all over. Church elders are never unmarried in the bible. In every passage of scripture that talks about elders/overseers/bishop, the criteria is that they have to be married and be an example in the way that they lead their families. Even among those evangelizing in the early church, only Paul and Barnabas were single. The rest of the apostles were married. So likewise, the trend that we should see today as well must be a minority who forego marriage.

          What TPM does is place a rule (a compulsory one) for those who wish to become elders in the church. That directly contradicts the word of God.

    2. I remember last time I spoke to a worker brother about Rev 14 and he was convinced that only they are the ones who are virgins and would go to Zion. But when I said that there is more to it… being a virgin and following the Lamb (for them it is being obedient to their seniors, especially when it comes to transfer – pack up and leave) wherever it goes is not all. there is more in verse 5: “And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.”
      this particular brother is renowned to speak foul in his native language and has a bad temper and the moment i told him this verse – he lost his cool as this verse pricked him. 🙂
      when i said marriage is instituted by God and cannot be considered as defiling of body as per Hebrews 13:4, he again didn’t have words.
      my point is not belittling them or taking pride in this that i made him speechless but rather that, they have a very convoluted view of the scriptures and it shows. just like “blind leading the blind”. hope someone will see the true Light, just as i have, soon.

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